From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:04 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 288, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Question for the group (Dene Collett (SA)) 2. Re: rear spar HELP (Dene Collett (SA)) 3. Re: Question for the group (James R Freeman) 4. RE: Fuel pump, flow restriction (Ron Freiberger) 5. Firewall protection - latex paint? (Ed Janssen) 6. nose wheel tire presser 7. Recommendation from Rick Wilson 8. Re: Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? (Scott Cable) 9. Re: nose wheel tire presser--PLEASE USE THE SPELLCHECKER (Scott Cable) 10. Recommendation from Rick Wilson 11. Re: Auto engines... ignition (Lori McGee) 12. Re: Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 13. Re: Auto engines... ignition (Phillip Matheson) 14. Re: KR Design / improvments/ off subject (Phillip Matheson) 15. Re: Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? (Ron Eason) 16. Flymaca: Apology (Scott Cable) 17. sun-n-fun (Ray Fuenzalida) 18. RE: sun-n-fun (Dana Overall) 19. Re: Flymaca: Apology 20. Aft Wing brackets 21. Beer & brats (Linda Warner) 22. Re: Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? (gleone) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:08:19 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Question for the group Message-ID: <001701c3e058$c6842a00$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> References: <400B1417.7000306@verizon.net> <400B1984.00000B.01288@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Hi Dan First, thanks for the reply I will reply privately later. If your wood dated 1986 aint fit for KR work then my project is certainly doomed. The wood for my longerons and some of the other cross members in my project is over 100 yrs old, thats right 100! It is douglas fir and the best example of aircraft wood you ever saw. Dene Collett South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S. Checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: Re: KR>Question for the group RE I'm assuming all the spruce I bought in 1986 is still safe to use Bernie, I was told by the man I buy my cabinet making wood from, that it does not suffer fatigue as other materials do. I think that if you take care of it, it will last forever. This is only an opinion, but I see no harm in putting a cross member in both but if any of the 2S people respond, they will know better than I as I am only a 2 person. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:18:16 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR>Question for the group I am dry fitting the belly cross members prior to gluing and have hit a road block (with which I am hoping you all can help me); * My original KR2 plans (dated 10/08/86) show a belly cross member at station "D" only . * Drawing "A" (of my new KR2S supplement..Sept/92...just received) shows a belly cross member at station "E" only. * I looked at Mark Langford's web site and it looks like he installed 1 cross member is located at station "E" only. I was wondering what the downside would be to installing a belly cross member at BOTH "D" and "E". Mark's fuselage looks so good I should probably stick with station "E" only...any ideas or comments? Thanks for your help...I'm really getting energized after a 15 year hiatus from this project....I'm assuming all the spruce I bought in 1986 is still safe to use. I'd sure hate to buy all that wood again! Bernie McLean _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html . _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:55:23 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>rear spar HELP Message-ID: <001a01c3e058$d6e23a40$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> References: <000001c3de95$55a0a2b0$7d03efd8@primelibrary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 > Dene: Hello > > I think you will find that the CG remains very close to where it was > originally. What will move back is your center of lift. The CG may > still be within limits but you would need to check. Moving the Center > of lift rearward would increase the work load of your horizontal > stabilizer as it will need to provide more down pressure to balance > your load /lift. I'm not saying it couldn't or shouldn't be done just > realize what he results will be and adjust accordingly. Russ > Breckenridge, MN asiruss@702com.net > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- -------------------------------------------------- Hi Russ The way I see it is this: In stead of using lead weights or a longer engine mount to get the planes Cof G in the correct position, I am proposing moving the wing back to bring the C of G range to meet the plane's "balance point". Remember the C of G of an aircraft is determined by the wing or more accurately the airfoil used and not the fuselage. The aim is to get the "balance point" of the fuselage and wing combination to match up with the calculated Cof G range of the airfoil. You are correct in saying that the c of g will hardly move but it will now be 28mm further forward in the allowable range. If I do move the airfoil relative to the spars it will only need to be moved by 28mm which will still keep the centre of lift on the spar although it will be nearer the leading edge than the aft edge. This mod is not to correct a cg problem but to acccomodate a rear spar that was built 4 or 5mm too tall. The spars are by default much stronger than required anyway so I might just shave off a couple of mm from the spar and stop stressing. Dene Collett South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S. Checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "francis fenlason" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: RE: KR>rear spar HELP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:15:14 -0500 From: James R Freeman To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Question for the group Message-ID: <064701c3e063$aa4a5c50$4b4c3540@HP> References: <400B1417.7000306@verizon.net> <400B1984.00000B.01288@Computer> <001701c3e058$c6842a00$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Send the old wood to me. I will pay shipping. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dene Collett SA" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:08 PM Subject: Re: KR>Question for the group > Hi Dan > First, thanks for the reply I will reply privately later. If your wood > dated 1986 aint fit for KR work then my project is certainly doomed. > The wood for my longerons and some of the other cross members in my > project is over 100 yrs old, thats right 100! It is douglas fir and > the best example of > aircraft wood you ever saw. > Dene Collett > South Africa > mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net > P.S. Checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:40 AM > Subject: Re: KR>Question for the group > > > RE I'm assuming all the spruce I bought in 1986 > is still safe to use > > Bernie, > > I was told by the man I buy my cabinet making wood from, that it does > not suffer fatigue as other materials do. I think that if you take > care of it, it will last forever. > > This is only an opinion, but I see no harm in putting a cross member > in both > but if any of the 2S people respond, they will know better than I as > I am only a 2 person. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KRnet > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:18:16 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR>Question for the group > > I am dry fitting the belly cross members prior to gluing and have hit > a road block (with which I am hoping you all can help me); > > * My original KR2 plans (dated 10/08/86) show a belly cross member at > station "D" only . > * Drawing "A" (of my new KR2S supplement..Sept/92...just received) > shows a belly cross member at station "E" only. > * I looked at Mark Langford's web site and it looks like he installed > 1 cross member is located at station "E" only. > > I was wondering what the downside would be to installing a belly cross > member at BOTH "D" and "E". Mark's fuselage looks so good I should > probably stick with station "E" only...any ideas or comments? > > Thanks for your help...I'm really getting energized after a 15 year > hiatus from this project....I'm assuming all the spruce I bought in > 1986 is still safe to use. I'd sure hate to buy all that wood again! > > Bernie McLean > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > . > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:26:19 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: , "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Fuel pump, flow restriction Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c3e039$3cc24c30$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 If the valve is pointing up, it's essentially open. But if it had fuel in it, maybe the ball would float. But then, I wouldn't put it to my lips to blow through.... It is really low cracking pressure. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Serge F. Vidal Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:12 AM To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR>Fuel pump, flow restriction Ron Freiberger said: [...The answer is to bypass the pump with a low restriction check valve. Aircraft Spruce p/n 10630. I bought one, and it's a nice job....] I also bought a bypass valve from Aircraft Spruce.Don't know if it's the same P/N, but the one I've got takes way too much pressure to open, so I gave it up. Serge _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:27:33 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint? Message-ID: <035801c3e076$25b111b0$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <3.0.6.32.20040118224959.00807990@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Netters: I read this note on another list regarding firewall protection - interesting: ...here's another idea for the board. A couple years ago, there was a thread on this board about Fiberfrax and other types of fire-retardant treatments for firewalls. I did some investigation, and found many companies that either make, or supply, water-based fire retardant paints (basically "latex" type paint) for the construction industry. Most of them are in the $50-$75/gallon price range and can only be purchased in gallons. I contacted Contego International by email, and was contacted in return by a nice fella named Tony Scott, who was vice-president of something or other, I don't exactly remember right now. Anyway, he arranged to ship me a quart of their product, along with a test paddle and a demo CD, and the stuff is really amazing. Cost me 17 bucks, including shipping. I foam brushed/rolled 2 coats of it on the inside of my cowlings and the entire engine compartment. They recommend topcoating it with your regular paint, so I used 1 coat of the DTM over it. I tried a propane torch on the test paddle that they sent me with the can of paint, basically it was a piece of wood that had been dipped in the stuff. I held the flame directly on it for several minutes, and it did NOTHING to the wood! As I said before, amazing stuff......certainly easier than fabricating a metal covering, a lot lighter, and you can protect the fiberglass cowlings, too. Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: KR>Firewall > : > >The KR plans call for .020 asbestos and .005 of stainless. I was ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:36:35 EST From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>nose wheel tire presser Message-ID: <17c.25a6ee7b.2d406703@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 hi all last Saturday I flow the Kr and was shooting some landings full stop and on the six landing after clearing the active i noticed it was bouncing on the rough pavement so i took a look and found that the tire became real low. this same thing happen last winter? well with the small tire its presser will drop so it looks like you have to adj the presser more often then i have been doing so IM going to check the press each flight below freezing . also IM not sure how much in the winter months 340x300 x 5 . i like to know if this is happening to other tri gears and what air presser below freezing . flymaca711689@aol thanks mac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:43:55 -800 (PST) From: rwdw2002@yahoo.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Recommendation from Rick Wilson Message-ID: <200401212343.i0LNhtcP000515@redbaron.barnstormers.com> Precedence: list Message: 7 Rick Wilson recommends the following Barnstormers classified ad (click on link) http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=26162 This si a KR2S for sale on Barnstormers , Looks like a deal AOL users, use this link: http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=26162 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:53:30 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? Message-ID: <20040121235330.83650.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <035801c3e076$25b111b0$8d00a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 Do you have a website for this company? --- Ed Janssen wrote: > Netters: I read this note on another list regarding > firewall protection - > interesting: > > ...here's another idea for the board. A couple years > ago, there was a thread > on this board about Fiberfrax and other types of fire-retardant > treatments for firewalls. I did some investigation, and found > many companies that > either make, or supply, water-based fire retardant > paints (basically "latex" > type paint) for the construction industry. Most of > them are in the > $50-$75/gallon price range and can only be purchased > in gallons. I contacted > Contego International by email, and was contacted in > return by a nice fella > named Tony Scott, who was vice-president of > something or other, I don't > exactly remember right now. Anyway, he arranged to > ship me a quart of their > product, along with a test paddle and a demo CD, and > the stuff is really > amazing. Cost me 17 bucks, including shipping. I > foam brushed/rolled 2 coats > of it on the inside of my cowlings and the entire > engine compartment. They > recommend topcoating it with your regular paint, so > I used 1 coat of the DTM > over it. > > I tried a propane torch on the test paddle that they > sent me with the can of > paint, basically it was a piece of wood that had > been dipped in the stuff. I > held the flame directly on it for several minutes, > and it did NOTHING to the > wood! As I said before, amazing stuff......certainly > easier than fabricating > a metal covering, a lot lighter, and you can protect > the fiberglass > cowlings, too. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:07:42 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>nose wheel tire presser--PLEASE USE THE SPELLCHECKER Message-ID: <20040122000742.43177.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <17c.25a6ee7b.2d406703@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 MAC, All Corrections are imbedded and in CAPS:-) --- Flymaca711689@aol.com wrote: > Hi all! Last Saturday I flEw the Kr and was shooting some landings TO full stop and on the sixTH landing, after clearing the active I noticed THE AIRCRAFT was bouncing on the rough pavement. So I took a look and found that the tire HAD became real low. I WONDERED IF this same thing happenED last winter? Well, with the smallER tire its pressURE will drop SOONER, so it looks like you have to adjUST the pressURE more often thAn I have been doing. So I'M going to check the pressURE BEFORE each flight below freezing. Also, I'M not sure how much TIRE PRESSURE in the winter months TO USE WITH A 340 x 300 x 5 TIRE. > I WOULD like to know if this is happening to other tri gears and what air pressURE TO USE WHEN below freezing. > flymaca711689@aol > thanks mac ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:10:07 -800 (PST) From: rwdw2002@yahoo.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Recommendation from Rick Wilson Message-ID: <200401220010.i0M0A7cP028889@redbaron.barnstormers.com> Precedence: list Message: 10 Rick Wilson recommends the following Barnstormers classified ad (click on link) http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=26162 This is a KR2S on Barnstormers, Looks like a deal AOL users, use this link: http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=26162 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:27:26 -0600 From: "Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Auto engines... ignition Message-ID: <001d01c3e087$0db5a240$0302a8c0@your8aiw9ykm6b> References: <004101c3d6a9$2e5008c0$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 I had a 71 pinto that the points died on very suddenly and stranded me 20 miles from town. So it does happen with them too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICHARD G ALPS" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 1:10 AM Subject: Re: KR>Auto engines... ignition > To Colin & Bev Rainey, > Hi guys. I was interested in your letter supporting non-aviation power plants for Experimental aircraft use. I would like to add one simple note about the points vs electronic ignition. William Wynne offered a concept that I think is worth passing along. This concept proves absolutely nothing, but simply provides the user with additional information from which to form a decision. William Wynne's concept is this: While the electronic ignition has many fine features, is stronger, more reliable, better controlled, etc., it contains one alarming characteristic. And that is that in opposition to points, which almost universally die in small increments, the electronic variety work perfectly right up to the very nano-second when they stop completely. The old point system will act up and work poorly before dying altogether, thusly allowing the pilot to continue the flight to a safe haven where repairs can be performed. I am fond of that safety feature. > > Thanks for allowing me to offer this little tidbit. > > Richard G. Alps (Hoping to begin building soon) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin & Bev Rainey > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:07 AM > Subject: KR>Auto engines > > > Scott & netters, > I respect Scott's opinion and education/training about the aviation industry and all his feelings related to the use of aviation related only parts. IN some applications I agree totally. However, where it comes to engines I have to respectfully disagree and state a supporting view to all those using and planning to use auto conversion engines. Great strides in dependability and safety have been achieved by the auto manufacturers in their engines in the last years. The success of the little VW stretches back almost as far if not farther than the Lycoming, & Continental stable. Initially all engines were water cooled variety, and some of the most successful breeds of planes did not have air-cooled powerplants, but rather water cooled ( discounting jet powered ). The Corvair is another example of a relatively simple conversion that allows both budget power, and reliable easily attained parts for upkeep. It also allows the builder to become acquainted with his engine to better be able to care for it, which in my 15 some odd years of running an automotive repair shop was the single most important fact that separated the casual driver who just put gas in it, from the owner who truly cared for his vehicle. The more you know about the way it works and why, the better you will care for it. There is much more than just changing the oil every 50 hours. I totally support and encourage the use of the VW, Corvair, Subaru, and I personally will in the future be using either a Honda or GM powerplant in our KR, liquid cooled, and smooth running, with electronic fuel injection, and PSRU. I hope for all builders success, but do not feel that everything must be of the aviation variety to be safe, just good quality and well researched, and tested. I myself still shudder at the thoughts of people using points ignition systems when there are so many electronic ones out there that are so much more reliable and make the engine run so much better. How do you think all of you are walking out this morning, getting in cold and starting that engine in your car with not so much as a second thought, one of a thousand times. Think of how many hours you drive your car trouble free, and when maintained how it keeps just coming back for more. I can promise you that there are pilots this morning that will flood their engines out, run the batteries down, and foul out their plugs this morning at the airport near here. It has happened to me every winter from "old reliable Lyc". Opinions....... > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:58:45 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? Message-ID: <00a501c3e08b$45027210$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> References: <20040121235330.83650.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 http://www.contegointernational.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? > Do you have a website for this company? > --- Ed Janssen wrote: > > Netters: I read this note on another list regarding > > firewall protection - > > interesting: > > > > ...here's another idea for the board. A couple years > > ago, there was a thread > > on this board about Fiberfrax and other types of > > fire-retardant treatments > > for firewalls. I did some investigation, and found > > many companies that > > either make, or supply, water-based fire retardant > > paints (basically "latex" > > type paint) for the construction industry. Most of > > them are in the > > $50-$75/gallon price range and can only be purchased > > in gallons. I contacted > > Contego International by email, and was contacted in > > return by a nice fella > > named Tony Scott, who was vice-president of > > something or other, I don't > > exactly remember right now. Anyway, he arranged to > > ship me a quart of their > > product, along with a test paddle and a demo CD, and > > the stuff is really > > amazing. Cost me 17 bucks, including shipping. I > > foam brushed/rolled 2 coats > > of it on the inside of my cowlings and the entire > > engine compartment. They > > recommend topcoating it with your regular paint, so > > I used 1 coat of the DTM > > over it. > > > > I tried a propane torch on the test paddle that they > > sent me with the can of > > paint, basically it was a piece of wood that had > > been dipped in the stuff. I > > held the flame directly on it for several minutes, > > and it did NOTHING to the > > wood! As I said before, amazing stuff......certainly > > easier than fabricating > > a metal covering, a lot lighter, and you can protect > > the fiberglass > > cowlings, too. > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:05:27 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "Lori McGee" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Auto engines... ignition Message-ID: <006c01c3e08c$3534c580$f496dccb@ralf> References: <004101c3d6a9$2e5008c0$f2452141@RaineyDay> <001d01c3e087$0db5a240$0302a8c0@your8aiw9ykm6b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 had a 71 pinto that the points died on very suddenly and stranded me 20 miles from town. So it does happen with them too. --------------- Lori, How often does your 71 Pinto get serviced, or when was the last time they points were checked before they failed. Surly, if we can build an aircraft we have the knowledge to SERVICE and MAINTAIN that aircraft. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:06:38 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>KR Design / improvments/ off subject Message-ID: <000401c3e095$17443200$f197dccb@ralf> References: <004101c3d6a9$2e5008c0$f2452141@RaineyDay><001d01c3e087$0db5a240$0302a8c0@your8aiw9ykm6b> <006c01c3e08c$3534c580$f496dccb@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 With so many design changes and comments about our KR, I have retyped an add in our SAAA( sport Aircraft Ass of Australia) that may interest some of your. Design your own Aircraft A series of lectures running to 4.3 hour on 3 DVD's that have been authored so that the viewer can select various parts or chapters of these lectures. The DVD's are also supported by 70 pages of notes with many worked examples that will allow the amateur designer to up a satisfactory design to his/ her own specifications Cost including GST & Postage is $121.00 within Australia, $136.00 for overseas Order via e-mail by contacting Bill Whitney at bwhitney@bigpond.net.au or call 61 7 33798674 Postal address PO Box 2119, Graceville East. QLD, 4075 Australia (background, Bill Whitney B.E. aeronautical engineer 35 years, Southern cross replica, Vimy replica, Bristol F2.b replica, Hughes Lightning, Seabird Seeker. etc, ------- Plus to many more to type. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:31:37 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? Message-ID: <003a01c3e098$3e2181e0$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <20040121235330.83650.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> <00a501c3e08b$45027210$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Thanks! Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? > http://www.contegointernational.com/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cable" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? > > > > Do you have a website for this company? > > --- Ed Janssen wrote: > > > Netters: I read this note on another list regarding > > > firewall protection - > > > interesting: > > > > > > ...here's another idea for the board. A couple years > > > ago, there was a thread > > > on this board about Fiberfrax and other types of > > > fire-retardant treatments > > > for firewalls. I did some investigation, and found > > > many companies that > > > either make, or supply, water-based fire retardant > > > paints (basically "latex" > > > type paint) for the construction industry. Most of > > > them are in the > > > $50-$75/gallon price range and can only be purchased > > > in gallons. I contacted > > > Contego International by email, and was contacted in > > > return by a nice fella > > > named Tony Scott, who was vice-president of > > > something or other, I don't > > > exactly remember right now. Anyway, he arranged to > > > ship me a quart of their > > > product, along with a test paddle and a demo CD, and > > > the stuff is really > > > amazing. Cost me 17 bucks, including shipping. I > > > foam brushed/rolled 2 coats > > > of it on the inside of my cowlings and the entire > > > engine compartment. They > > > recommend topcoating it with your regular paint, so > > > I used 1 coat of the DTM > > > over it. > > > > > > I tried a propane torch on the test paddle that they > > > sent me with the can of > > > paint, basically it was a piece of wood that had > > > been dipped in the stuff. I > > > held the flame directly on it for several minutes, > > > and it did NOTHING to the > > > wood! As I said before, amazing stuff......certainly > > > easier than fabricating > > > a metal covering, a lot lighter, and you can protect > > > the fiberglass > > > cowlings, too. > > > > > > ===== > > Scott Cable > > KR-2S # 735 > > Wright City, MO > > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Flymaca: Apology Message-ID: <20040122044356.6426.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 Netters and Mac: After getting several eMails about this I've decided to post an apology: If I offended anyone in the group or Mac (flymaca), I apologise........... --- Dan Heath wrote: > Scott, > > I don't think that flymaca is from an English > speaking country, so his > English would be a little rough. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:06:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>sun-n-fun Message-ID: <20040122060651.62790.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 Hello group, Even though I am still a relatively new member, I will be at Sun-n-Fun. I will be driving from New Orleans in my VW van. I will be bringing a Corvair motor and hopefully get William Wynn to help me jump start the rebuilding process. I look forward to meeting you other netters and maybe even flying in a KR. I have a KR2S but she is a long way from being airworthy. Step at a time. Ray __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:32:48 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>sun-n-fun Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 Gang, in the last 10 years of attending SNF, which included a couple years in the ground advisory tower, the most KRs I have seen there was three in any one year. A couple years I've never seen one. I'm just saying that so new members, and new visitors to SNF, don't get their hopes up too high and then be disappointed. Your best shot is the gathering. Course this year may be different........I'm think next year should be way different. With that said, last year I had a beer and brats get together at my campsite. We had probably 40 people stop in for some fun and suds, then did Margarettaville (new to SNF last year) then took in the night airshow. If you haven't seen SNF's night airshow you are missing a great time. I expect this years beer and brats to be much larger. I'll keep you guys informed as to the date. Maybe I can talk Steve Bennett into letting me drop some flyers off at his booth, since Rand Robinson no longer does a booth at SNF. I am a CPA so I can't leave this until April 15th., but plan on staying until they kick me out. Anyway, in the past I have called and got group KR rates at a local motel. No need to anymore as camping is the way to go. We usually agree on a time/place and meet up for an evening of hanging out, much more informal than the KR dinner (I went one time:-)....plus it stays on the grounds and lasts until the suds runs out. Hum.............beer and brats at SNF and keg and Hooters wings at my shop on Feb. 28th..........I'm starting to see a pattern here:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:17:47 EST From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Flymaca: Apology Message-ID: <180.24f1a0c0.2d41196b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Apology accepted. This was just a warning on the tire going flat. my English is horrible but IM no dummy and what I posted is a possible problem or as I see it ( ad ) on the tire. IM sure that this is happening to other tri gear kr aircraft. Think before you go bang on someone I fly this aircraft and have just under 300 hrs all im looking for is to see if it just mine! Mac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:57:25 EST From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Aft Wing brackets Message-ID: <67.20a9975c.2d4122b5@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Hello everyone I have 4 AFT wing brackets already cut and drill to the plans spec that I do not need If anyone would like them please contact me off line and I'll send them to you. I believe I can send them by US mail so there shouldn't be any shipping cost Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Beer & brats Message-ID: <28689-400FCBF2-1367@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Message: 21 Hi all. I'll echo Dana's comment about not near enough KR's showing up. It's the same at Oshkosh. Seems the consensus must be that if a person doesn't have a trophy winner, they won't bring it to the shows. We want to see ANY and ALL KR's. Please bring them. Dana. Drop off a flyer for the beer & brats out at our camper registration building and we'll stick it up so the incoming campers can see it as we're registering them. You're right about the night airshow. It's awesome. I believe it was on Sat night last year. Worth seeing. The women like it too. Mine turns her back on the daytime shows, but fights for a good seat for the night show. John Sickafoose Co-chairman, camper registration at Sun-n-Fun. Tech Counselor. Naples Fl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:54:02 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: , Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website??? Message-ID: <400FD5FA.000001.02384@bce-p949w4at3vz> References: <003a01c3e098$3e2181e0$6501a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 22 The only question I would have about this in place of the normal firewal= l is what will your inspector say? It's a novel idea, and I'm not arguing against it, but depending on the inspector, he might be of the "olde scho= ol" and the poster boy of anal retentives. That being said, I can see where this would be a great thing to use on the cockpit side of the firewall an= d cockpit, for sure. Having my firewall materials in hand, this would make= a nice added layer of protection. I notice it comes in black or white and = can be tinted to pastels only (5% tint). White works well for me and since t= he plane will be painted anyway, it would also make a great way to help prot= ect the aircraft should an engine fire erupt. Thanks again for the link. Th= is is interesting stuff!=0D =0D Gene Leone=0D Worland, Wyoming=0D =0D "This is a great day for France!" --President Richard Nixon while attendi= ng Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Ron Eason; KRnet=0D Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:30:47 PM=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website???=0D =0D Thanks!=0D =0D Ron=0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" =0D To: "KRnet" =0D Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:58 PM=0D Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website???=0D =0D =0D > http://www.contegointernational.com/=0D > ----- Original Message -----=0D > From: "Scott Cable" =0D > To: "KRnet" =0D > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:53 PM=0D > Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website???=0D >=0D >=0D > > Do you have a website for this company?=0D > > --- Ed Janssen wrote:=0D > > > Netters: I read this note on another list regarding=0D > > > firewall protection -=0D > > > interesting:=0D > > >=0D > > > ...here's another idea for the board. A couple years=0D > > > ago, there was a thread=0D > > > on this board about Fiberfrax and other types of=0D > > > fire-retardant treatments=0D > > > for firewalls. I did some investigation, and found=0D > > > many companies that=0D > > > either make, or supply, water-based fire retardant=0D > > > paints (basically "latex"=0D > > > type paint) for the construction industry. Most of=0D > > > them are in the=0D > > > $50-$75/gallon price range and can only be purchased=0D > > > in gallons. I contacted=0D > > > Contego International by email, and was contacted in=0D > > > return by a nice fella=0D > > > named Tony Scott, who was vice-president of=0D > > > something or other, I don't=0D > > > exactly remember right now. Anyway, he arranged to=0D > > > ship me a quart of their=0D > > > product, along with a test paddle and a demo CD, and=0D > > > the stuff is really=0D > > > amazing. Cost me 17 bucks, including shipping. I=0D > > > foam brushed/rolled 2 coats=0D > > > of it on the inside of my cowlings and the entire=0D > > > engine compartment. They=0D > > > recommend topcoating it with your regular paint, so=0D > > > I used 1 coat of the DTM=0D > > > over it.=0D > > >=0D > > > I tried a propane torch on the test paddle that they=0D > > > sent me with the can of=0D > > > paint, basically it was a piece of wood that had=0D > > > been dipped in the stuff. I=0D > > > held the flame directly on it for several minutes,=0D > > > and it did NOTHING to the=0D > > > wood! As I said before, amazing stuff......certainly=0D > > > easier than fabricating=0D > > > a metal covering, a lot lighter, and you can protect=0D > > > the fiberglass=0D > > > cowlings, too.=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D > > Scott Cable=0D > > KR-2S # 735=0D > > Wright City, MO=0D > > s2cable1@yahoo.com=0D > >=0D > > __________________________________=0D > > Do you Yahoo!?=0D > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes=0D > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus=0D > >=0D > > _______________________________________=0D > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html= =0D > >=0D >=0D >=0D > _______________________________________=0D > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D >=0D >=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________=0D to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 288, Issue 1 *************************************