From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:06 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 290, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Mechanical Brakes and tail wheel for sale 2. spelling, punctuation, and Mac (Oscar Zuniga) 3. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac (joe) 4. Re: Can you plans build a 2S? (Orma Robbins) 5. Re: EAA Homebuilts (Timothy Bellville) 6. kr tire pressure 7. Re: Re: EAA Homebuilts (Dan Heath) 8. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... (Scott Cable) 9. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... 10. WAF'S Edge Distance 11. Finished (Colin & Bev Rainey) 12. Re: Finished (Dana Overall) 13. Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process (Dan Heath) 14. Re: Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process (Tim Croy) 15. Re: WAF'S Edge Distance (Orma Robbins) 16. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... (Mark Langford) 17. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... (Carlos Romero) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:11:34 EST From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Mechanical Brakes and tail wheel for sale Message-ID: <146.20fa696b.2d42f616@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Hello Everyone I have the machanical brakes that came with my KR2 kit and the tail wheel neither has been used If anyone is interested in making me a offer please contact me off line. Thanks Tim Gettysburg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:13:19 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Folks; After reading through the anguished posts on spelling, punctuation, and the rest of it, as well as the comment about Mac ("flymaca"), all I ask is the following. (1) all those among you who don't own a set of plans and manual for a KR, fall out; (2) of those left standing, if you aren't actively building an airplane, fall out; (3) of those still standing, if you're not a licensed and current pilot, fall out; (4) of the remaining ones, if you've never completed and test-flown a homebuilt aircraft, fall out; (5) the rest of you still standing, turn and offer the right hand of fellowship to the very few still around you. Mac is one of them. I am not. Are you? Point of the exercise: Mac has built and flown his own homebuilt KR aircraft, and flies it regularly. That being the case, I not only don't care if he can spell, punctuate, or speak English, I am darned fortunate to have his valuable input on this list at all! Most who finish their projects just move on because they aren't interested in the endless nit-picking and rabbit trails that these lists take off on. Mac, I tip my hat to you. Thanks for your valuable contributions to this list, and a happy Friday to you! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:50:17 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac Message-ID: <001101c3e214$098f10a0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Ditto. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac > Folks; > > After reading through the anguished posts on spelling, punctuation, > and the > rest of it, as well as the comment about Mac ("flymaca"), all I ask is > the following. (1) all those among you who don't own a set of plans > and manual > for a KR, fall out; (2) of those left standing, if you aren't actively > building an airplane, fall out; (3) of those still standing, if you're > not a > licensed and current pilot, fall out; (4) of the remaining ones, if > you've never completed and test-flown a homebuilt aircraft, fall out; > (5) the rest > of you still standing, turn and offer the right hand of fellowship to > the very few still around you. Mac is one of them. I am not. Are > you? > > Point of the exercise: Mac has built and flown his own homebuilt KR > aircraft, and flies it regularly. That being the case, I not only > don't care if he can spell, punctuate, or speak English, I am darned > fortunate to > have his valuable input on this list at all! Most who finish their projects > just move on because they aren't interested in the endless nit-picking > and rabbit trails that these lists take off on. > > Mac, I tip my hat to you. Thanks for your valuable contributions to > this list, and a happy Friday to you! > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your > high-speed experience. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:19:25 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Can you plans build a 2S? Message-ID: <005401c3e218$1c0f67d0$54ecf944@ROBBINS1> References: <002301c3e1cc$440f3090$010010ac@MARTY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Hi Marty: The answer is yes, you can build from plans the KR-2S. Rand offers pre made parts as well as the "Kit" which is raw materials (wood, foam, extrusions and hardware) to build with. When building a modified KR some of the pre made parts won't fit. If your desire is to stretch it here or there, your best bet would be to only buy pre made parts when you are sure you can utilize it.Orma L. Robbins Orma@aviation-mechanics.com Orma aka AviationMech 19 Years flying the KR-2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:29:25 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: Subject: KR>Re: EAA Homebuilts Message-ID: <004a01c3e219$81689380$932c4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Timothy Bellville=20 To: krnet@mylist.net=20 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: EAA Homebuilts For those that would like to see my KR2, go to EAA.org, and look under = the centinenial Hombuilts. There are three KR's so far on this site. She is only in primer but will be silver when the testing is done. Tim Bellville N7038V Toledo OhioFrom Boeing757mech1@aol.com Fri Jan 23 17:57:26 2004 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.8]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AkD38-000EzR-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:57:26 -0800 Received: from Boeing757mech1@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id g.11b.2d46b93a (1320) for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Message-ID: <11b.2d46b93a.2d4328b7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:47:35 EST Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: In a message dated 1/23/2004 3:14:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: Folks; >After reading through the anguished posts on spelling, punctuation, and >the >rest of it, as well as the comment about Mac ("flymaca"), all I ask is the >following. (1) all those among you who don't own a set of plans and manual >for a KR, fall out; (2) of those left standing, if you aren't actively >building an airplane, fall out; (3) of those still standing, if you're not a >licensed and current pilot, fall out; Oscar, I agree with every thing except I am not a licensed pilot but I am actively building a Kr. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:56:55 EST From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>kr tire pressure Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 First off thanks all that came to my flaming and put the fire out! All try harder but my spelling is what it is bad. I really had a hard time figuring out what was happening but working at a tire store and not finding a leak was getting to me but after reading what mark langford has on tire pressure i think i understand if its already below 32f the wind chill factor the tire is exposed to must be way below 0 combine that with the size of the tires tube its high mantence in the winter each flight. the tube has very little volume to it. for you guys with nose gear you will see what IM talking about it gets real squarly if it loses its air down right dangerous . Mac flymaca711689@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:23:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Re: EAA Homebuilts Message-ID: <4011D719.000009.01416@Computer> References: <004a01c3e219$81689380$932c4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 http://eaa.org/homebuilders/list/KR-2_Bellville.asp#TopOfPage=0D =0D A more quick way to get there.=0D =0D Tim, it looks nice. See you in Mt. Vernon? =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:29:34 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>Re: EAA Homebuilts=0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: Timothy Bellville=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:39 AM=0D Subject: EAA Homebuilts=0D =0D =0D For those that would like to see my KR2, go to EAA.org, and look under the centinenial Hombuilts.=0D There are three KR's so far on this site.=0D She is only in primer but will be silver when the testing is done.=0D Tim Bellville=0D N7038V=0D Toledo Ohio_______________________________________=0D to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom Sonerai1@worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 23 19:02:38 2004 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AkE4E-000GTQ-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:02:38 -0800 Received: from HPHome (155.detroit-13rh15-16rt.mi.dial-access.att.net[12.75.44.155]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2004012402525011300hlgvke>; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:52:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c3e225$29ea63c0$9b2c4b0c@HPHome> From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KRnet" References: <004a01c3e219$81689380$932c4b0c@HPHome> <4011D719.000009.01416@Computer> Subject: Re: KR>Re: EAA Homebuilts Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:52:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Thanks Dan, I'm going to try to make it,and to airventure as well. Just waiting for the weather to get better to take her to the airport. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: Re: KR>Re: EAA Homebuilts http://eaa.org/homebuilders/list/KR-2_Bellville.asp#TopOfPage A more quick way to get there. Tim, it looks nice. See you in Mt. Vernon? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:29:34 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Re: EAA Homebuilts ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Bellville To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: EAA Homebuilts For those that would like to see my KR2, go to EAA.org, and look under the centinenial Hombuilts. There are three KR's so far on this site. She is only in primer but will be silver when the testing is done. Tim Bellville N7038V Toledo Ohio_______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ._______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:05:50 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 Oscar, Joe, and KRNetters, Your comments are certainly not appreciated and are certainly offensive. I have, in fact eaten my share of "Humble Pie" on this one, and you making further comments such as below is likened to rubbing salt into a wound. The majority of the commenters had taken my original comments to Mac, out of context.--Which is the only reason why I apologized to begin with. But since you seem to want to open this can of worms, then I feel that I must comment back and for good: 1.) Seeing's how Mac has all of this flight test experience, does this somehow exclude him from utilizing the spell checker? Even Mac himself admits that his English is: (and I quote him) "horrible". So if he knows he has a problem, an educated person would compensate by utilizing tools at his easy disposal. Right ? 2.) So Oscar, does this mean if you're building, test flying aircraft on a regular basis that everyone on the Net must take time to read, re-read, and decipher someone's hiroglyphic messages? meaning that that person's time is more important than someone else's? I think NOT. FYI: I work in the Boeing Phantom Work's, on a program with a very, VERY compressed, aggressive schedule. For the last 3 weeks, I've been putting in 64+ hour work-weeks. Please believe me: I love my work, and truly enjoy the team of talented people that I have the pleasure of working with., as I'm not complaining. My point being is this: Myself and others simply don't have the time in the day to try and decipher someone's mis-spelled, un-punctuated message. In fact, it's inconsiderate, self-serving and rude. I was under the impression when I started my project just over a year ago, that the KRNet was a group dedicated to building and Flying the KR Series aircraft. Frankly, Oscar, if you don't have the courtesy to do a simple thing like utilizing a spell check program before you send an eMail comment, maybe you then should just "FALL OUT". The KRNet Administrator, just last week, got flamed for this very same thing. Mark was merely pointing out that these messages reach around the globe, have a little consideration for others right? That's what I got from it, as I wouldn't want to speak for Mark Langford. Lately, all I've been spending my time doing is defending or explaining something that was taken completely out of context. This is activity that I actually loathe, as it goes completely against everything I was ever taught---Never explain yourself, your friends already know, and your enemies don't care. My profession, and myself personally have been attacked on this Net by Panzera, and others. So because of comments such as below, and the fact that all of this nonsense is only distracting my progress at work, and at home on my aircraft project, I'm removing myself from this list. I have real aircraft to design and build. Oscar Zuniga wrote: Folks; After reading through the anguished posts on spelling, punctuation, and the rest of it, as well as the comment about Mac ("flymaca"), all I ask is the following. (1) all those among you who don't own a set of plans and manual for a KR, fall out; (2) of those left standing, if you aren't actively building an airplane, fall out; (3) of those still standing, if you're not a licensed and current pilot, fall out; (4) of the remaining ones, if you've never completed and test-flown a homebuilt aircraft, fall out; (5) the rest of you still standing, turn and offer the right hand of fellowship to the very few still around you. Mac is one of them. I am not. Are you? Point of the exercise: Mac has built and flown his own homebuilt KR aircraft, and flies it regularly. That being the case, I not only don't care if he can spell, punctuate, or speak English, I am darned fortunate to have his valuable input on this list at all! Most who finish their projects just move on because they aren't interested in the endless nit-picking and rabbit trails that these lists take off on. Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!From rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com Fri Jan 23 20:34:18 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.133] helo=ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AkFUw-000I2z-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:34:18 -0800 Received: from zippersystems (6534123hfc47.swfla.rr.com [65.34.123.47] (may be forged))by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i0O4OQPq020881;Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:24:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" , Subject: RE: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:24:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Working 64 hours a week makes you crabby Scott. Take a break and drop off the net for a while. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com FYI: I work in the Boeing Phantom Work's, on a program with a very, VERY compressed, aggressive schedule. For the last 3 weeks, I've been putting in 64+ hour work-weeks. Please believe me: I love my work, and truly enjoy the team of talented people that I have the pleasure of working with., as I'm not complaining. Seems more like being a whiny-ass to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:46:51 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <69.4076d238.2d4352bb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 In a message dated 1/23/2004 9:24:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com writes: >FYI: I work in the Boeing Phantom Work's, on a program with a very, >VERY compressed, aggressive schedule. For the last 3 weeks, I've been >putting in >64+ hour work-weeks SEE! That's all people do in here is fight! Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:53:39 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>WAF'S Edge Distance Message-ID: <153.29711760.2d435453@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Hi All, Is any one else out there worried about the edge distance on the WAF's? They are only 1 1/2 inches wide and the 8 AN3 bolts in each one are only about 1.5 D from the edge. If I had it to do over again I think I would make my spar caps thicker at the root and I would make the center caps thicker all the way across. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:16:28 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Finished Message-ID: <003901c3e239$3873eb00$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 Netters, With all this negative talk I am afraid to post this for fear of being = attacked! Just kidding! Dan will be posting pictures as soon as practical, but I can now say = that we are done! The KR2 is complete. We have completed all = construction corrections and additions that were required for us to fly = here in Orlando, and we are making arrangements to move her to the = airport. We are going to use the Sanford-Orlando Airport in Sanford, = Florida as long as the inspector does not have a problem. Weight & = balance came in with her at an empty weight of 649#, and CG at 21.11" = with the cowling line being my datum line for measuring. Calculating = full expected passenger load and full fuel, we are okay at 24.60", and = landing 2 hours later at 25.35". Aft limit is 25.75" based on = published limits, adjusted for the datum line at the cowling seam, and = disregarding the last 2" at Mark Langford's recommendation. Paint & body is rough, but after a couple of nicks were incurred = during weigh-in, I decided to wait on the final finish work until after = the test fly-off. Hopefully we will have the test period flown off for = Sun N Fun, but definitely for Mt Vernon. Can't wait!!!!!! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom DanRH@alltel.net Sat Jan 24 02:34:21 2004 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AkL7M-000L9d-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:34:20 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.235]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20040124102435.XFIP17104.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:24:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <401247D8.00000B.01416@Computer> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 05:24:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <153.29711760.2d435453@aol.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>WAF'S Edge Distance Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: One more time.....I have never heard of an incident due to WAF failure in the 30 years that the KR has been flying. But you are right to be concer= ned That is the point on the KR that seems to concern builders more than an= y other point. Me included. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From tim_croy@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 04:07:03 2004 Received: from web13124.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.142]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AkMZ5-000Lw6-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:07:03 -0800 Message-ID: <20040124115718.78310.qmail@web13124.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.156.179.193] by web13124.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:57:18 PST Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:57:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Croy Subject: Re: KR>Finished To: KRnet In-Reply-To: <003901c3e239$3873eb00$f2452141@RaineyDay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Congratulations Colin & Bev! Wow, I'm new to the list and don't believe I have the talent to build my own, so I'm 99% sure I'll be buying a great kr-2 soon. I hope I can still associate with you all as you have the pride and expertise to really fly high with these aircraft. I hope the kr-2 I'm considering is flight worthy as I don't yet have a pilot's license and I'm just beginning to learn these aircraft based on the Internet postings I've found, including the shared expertise and camaraderie on this list. Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process would be greatly appreciated. Have a great weekend and fun flying! Tim A kr-2 wannabe.. :) --- Colin & Bev Rainey wrote: > Netters, > With all this negative talk I am afraid to post this > for fear of being attacked! Just kidding! > Dan will be posting pictures as soon as > practical, but I can now say that we are done! The > KR2 is complete. We have completed all construction corrections and > additions that were required for us to fly here in Orlando, and we are > making arrangements to move her to the airport. We are > going to use the Sanford-Orlando Airport in Sanford, > Florida as long as the inspector does not have a > problem. Weight & balance came in with her at an > empty weight of 649#, and CG at 21.11" with the > cowling line being my datum line for measuring. > Calculating full expected passenger load and full > fuel, we are okay at 24.60", and landing 2 hours > later at 25.35". Aft limit is 25.75" based on > published limits, adjusted for the datum line at the > cowling seam, and disregarding the last 2" at Mark > Langford's recommendation. > Paint & body is rough, but after a couple of > nicks were incurred during weigh-in, I decided to > wait on the final finish work until after the test > fly-off. Hopefully we will have the test period > flown off for Sun N Fun, but definitely for Mt > Vernon. Can't wait!!!!!! > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html_______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:03:47 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Finished Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 . Hopefully we will have the test period > > flown off for Sun N Fun, but definitely for Mt > > Vernon. Can't wait!!!!!! > > > > Colin & Bev Rainey Oh come on now Colin, ya gotta have the spirit and get the hours on it in 2.5 months for SNF:-) BTW gang, the night airshow is Sat. night................Go to the KR Dinner on Friday night, a little beer and brats Sat. late afternoon, Margarettaville for the evening then night airshow. Sounds like the ticket to me. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Tim Croy >Reply-To: KRnet >To: KRnet >Subject: Re: KR>Finished >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:57:18 -0800 (PST) > >Congratulations Colin & Bev! > >Wow, I'm new to the list and don't believe I have the >talent to build my own, so I'm 99% sure I'll be buying >a great kr-2 soon. I hope I can still associate with >you all as you have the pride and expertise to really >fly high with these aircraft. > >I hope the kr-2 I'm considering is flight worthy as I >don't yet have a pilot's license and I'm just >beginning to learn these aircraft based on the >Internet postings I've found, including the shared >expertise and camaraderie on this list. > >Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process >would be greatly appreciated. > >Have a great weekend and fun flying! > >Tim >A kr-2 wannabe.. :) > > >--- Colin & Bev Rainey wrote: > > Netters, > > With all this negative talk I am afraid to post this > > for fear of being attacked! Just kidding! > > Dan will be posting pictures as soon as > > practical, but I can now say that we are done! The > > KR2 is complete. We have completed all construction corrections and > > additions that were required for us to fly here in Orlando, and we > > are making arrangements to move her to the airport. We are > > going to use the Sanford-Orlando Airport in Sanford, > > Florida as long as the inspector does not have a > > problem. Weight & balance came in with her at an > > empty weight of 649#, and CG at 21.11" with the > > cowling line being my datum line for measuring. > > Calculating full expected passenger load and full > > fuel, we are okay at 24.60", and landing 2 hours > > later at 25.35". Aft limit is 25.75" based on > > published limits, adjusted for the datum line at the > > cowling seam, and disregarding the last 2" at Mark > > Langford's recommendation. > > Paint & body is rough, but after a couple of > > nicks were incurred during weigh-in, I decided to > > wait on the final finish work until after the test > > fly-off. Hopefully we will have the test period > > flown off for Sun N Fun, but definitely for Mt > > Vernon. Can't wait!!!!!! > > > > Colin & Bev Rainey > > KR2(td) N96TA > > Sanford, FL > > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > > or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com > > >http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html_________________________________ >______ > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at >http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > >_______________________________________ >to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:27:26 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process Message-ID: <401264AE.000003.00164@Computer> References: <20040124115718.78310.qmail@web13124.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 Tim,=0D =0D First tip, post pictures and descriptions or point the Netters to the pictures and descriptions of the plane you are considering. You will the= n have some idea of what you will have to deal with by purchasing that aircraft. =0D =0D Second tip, include your e-mail address in the signature line of your pos= ts so people can comment directly to you if they choose to do so.=0D =0D Broadcast comments can sometimes be offensive and embarrasing to some, wh= en they really don't belong on the Net.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bo124rs@hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 04:43:49 2004 Received: from bay13-f35.bay13.hotmail.com ([64.4.31.35] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AkN8f-000Mtj-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:43:49 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:34:04 -0800 Received: from 152.163.252.232 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:34:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.252.232] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bo124rs@hotmail.com From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:34:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2004 12:34:04.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A8FFCF0:01C3E276] Subject: KR>More cockpit lighting. X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I am still going to install on a temporary basis, the red string lighting under my glareshield. Brian also has those post lights listed with Aircraft Spruce. I just got in two small cockpit lights that I will permanently install as they have a great history of success. You can look at them at: http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1074946723-504-495&browse=lighting&product=eyeball They weight a total of 1/2 oz. each, are only 1/2" high with a flange of 1.5". The bulb has an expected life of 1500 hours. The ball is moveable with a 45 degree beam width and a 100 degree sweep in all directions. With a life of 1500 hours, some people don't even switch them so they are on all the time. They draw 1.12 watts at 14 volts. May want to give a looksee as they only cost $12.50 per light. Two would light up a KR panel nicely. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 06:27:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Croy To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process Message-ID: <20040124142722.97783.qmail@web13121.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <401264AE.000003.00164@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 --- Dan Heath wrote: > Tim, > > First tip, post pictures and descriptions or point > the Netters to the > pictures and descriptions of the plane you are > considering. Thanks Dan, appreciate the quick reply. Below are some specs on the plane and here are a couple of links to the pix, hope they work: Slideshow: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tim_croy/slideshow?&.dir=/dd74&.src=ph Album: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tim_croy/album?.dir=/dd74 It has an air worthiness certificate issued 6/10/99 and less than 1hr fly time. 568# empty. It looks like a nice kr-2 to me, but I'm not an expert. I'm also 6'2" / 200#, but think I can manage ok in a standard kr-2. If this sounds unreasonable, pls advise as I haven't found a kr-2 locally to squeeze in to. I'll even lose weight.. ;) Thanks in advance for any help, Tim tim_croy@yahoo.com Engine V.W. 2180cc 70-74hp built by Total Engine Concepts 8 hours run time Dual plugs 4 into 1 exhaust 15 gallon header tank Full electrical system Remote oil cooler Instruments Altimeter Air Speed Rate of climb Magnetic compass Carburetor heat (heat box) RPM Cylinder head temperature Oil Pressure Oil Temperature Amp meter Hobs clock Other Three position flaps Nav lights New Cleveland hydraulic toe brakes Dual seat belts w/shoulder harness ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:45:44 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>WAF'S Edge Distance Message-ID: <002601c3e299$83ade070$54ecf944@ROBBINS1> References: <153.29711760.2d435453@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 My training in maintenance tells me that no fastner should be closer then 1.5 times its diameter to the edge. So, it's OK. Orma L. Robbins, AP/IA Orma@aviation-mechanics.com Orma aka AviationMech 19 Years flying the KR-2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:54:27 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <121e01c3e29a$bb8a9b90$1202a8c0@basement> References: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Scott Cable wrote: > Oscar, Joe, and KRNetters, > Your comments are certainly not appreciated and are certainly > offensive... Scott, I'm beginning to see a pattern here. Two weeks ago you got all bent out of shape over a good-natured poke that Pat Panzera took at engineers, and quit CorAircraft in a huff, despite the fact that you're just about the ONLY guy on the list that took the comments as offensive. Then you ratcheted up your noise level on KRnet by poo-pooing Corvairs, and automotive conversions in general, in aircraft, which is what 98% of KRnetters are flying. I knew it would just be a matter of before you'd be gone from here too (although I see you're still a member, despite "I'm Outta Here..." subject line). And I had to laugh when you sent me a message the other day about the viability of using a 6 cylinder Porsche engine with bored out monster-sized aftermarket VW cylinders, right after your diatribe on the fallacy of using automotive conversions in aircraft. You've just got to wonder. I pretty much just quit posting because despite the fact that I could have argued all day long about automotive conversions, and several of the other things that you've had "strong" opinions over, I didn't want to waste my time doing it. There comes a point when you just ask yourself "why bother?", and I reached that point about two weeks ago. Often when somebody starts trotting out all their engineering credentials, it's a good sign that their arguments aren't going well, and they're now relying on diplomas or job titles to add credence to their position. You had quite a list. I think the way to convince other list members of your expertise is with well-thought-out advice that makes sense, and after a while they'll KNOW who the experts are. As for the punctuation and capitalization thing, I wish I'd never mentioned it. I never dreamed that it would get blown so far out of proportion. And you were the guy that took it to extremes. When I saw that post where you corrected Mac's spelling, I knew that you'd be gone shortly, so I didn't even comment. As I mentioned earlier, I can understand the spelling problems. Some people's email doesn't even include a spellchecker, or their spellchecker may be in a whole other language. That's understandable. All I was asking for was a capital letter at the beginning and a period at the end. That by itself goes a long way in making a string of words understandable. I sent it to the list in an effort to make all of the offenders aware that it was a concern, but I didn't beat anybody over the head with it! Oscar's point was basically that Mac is a flying member of the KR community, and as such is too valuable to make fun of and run off. We just don't have many of them that will post to the list. I can't think of a single soul that OZ has ticked off over the years, but we can now start that list with you at the top. My guess is that it will remain a short list. The worst thing is that you flamed Mac, but didn't bother to actually ANSWER his question! I'm sure with your background, you knew that temperature changes incurred between summer and winter months can contribute to that (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tirepressure.gif ). Some people read messages to see if they can help answer them, and others looks for things to pick at or get upset about. There are diplomatic or good-natured ways of getting your point across. Face it Scott, you're a bit of a hot-head, despite the fact that you're a talented guy with some good suggestions and advice, emotionally you really don't have what it takes to participate in an internet mailing list. I appreciate your help and advice to other netters, but you'd be better off lurking. Below is a comment I got from a veteran KRnetter this morning, and I agree wholeheartedly. "I don't know how much you've been monitoring the net lately but Scott Cable is gone. I guess my only comment is he who steps in front of Mack trucks should not complain about the surgery to remove chrome bulldog from forehead". Well, there goes another perfectly good hour of KR building time down the drain... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:55:58 -0500 From: Carlos Romero To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <4012A39E.4010604@alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Scott Shame on you, you misspelt hieroglyphic >take time to read, re-read, and decipher someone's hiroglyphic >messages? meaning that that person's time is more important than >someone else's? > this forum is for fun > very, VERY compressed, aggressive schedule. For the last 3 weeks, > I've been putting in 64+ hour work-weeks. > get some rest, decompress It might help you quit being so critical. Maybe you could look at the people beyond the spelling eh? Carlos Romero ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 290, Issue 1 *************************************