From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 293, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. FOAM FOR NEW WINGS 2. Re: need a prop (Orma Robbins) 3. Re: Fw: KR-2S plans are sold (Mark Langford) 4. What's acceptable (Ron Freiberger) 5. Re: FOAM FOR NEW WINGS (Orma Robbins) 6. Low back pressure check valve (Ron Freiberger) 7. Re: Fw: KR-2S plans are sold (joe) 8. Re: FOAM FOR NEW WINGS (Dan Heath) 9. Re: FOAM FOR NEW WINGS (Mark Langford) 10. RE: FOAM FOR NEW WINGS (Serge F. Vidal) 11. Re: FOAM FOR NEW WINGS (Ron Eason) 12. Re: need a prop 13. RE: need a prop (Ron Freiberger) 14. Re: FOAM FOR NEW WINGS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:30:17 EST From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com To: KRNET@MYLIST.NET Subject: KR>FOAM FOR NEW WINGS Message-ID: <165.2a66e0e0.2d46d2d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Hey Guys... I am going to build a new set of wings for my KR2, and need plans for the wings only. I really don't want to shell out to Jeanette (Rand) the price for an entire set of plans if I can avoid it. If any of you are willing sell what I need, I will be most grateful. Also, I tore apart the water damaged wing that came from my bird, and found the foam to be Like florist's foam. It is green, and open celled. Where do I get this kind of stuff in sheets? Wicks only shows a cream colored foam. Thanks...Sherman Spartanburg, S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:42:12 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>need a prop Message-ID: <001c01c3e455$42e3bc00$7a05fc44@ROBBINS1> References: <1a6.1f7130aa.2d46c83d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 a Maloof Constant speed prop with spinner Hi Sherman If you don't find a swap, how much do you want for the Constant Speed. Orma aka AviationMech 19 Years flying the KR-2 Orma L. Robbins Orma@aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:04:21 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Fw: KR-2S plans are sold Message-ID: <036e01c3e458$5a76dca0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <002301c3e444$a917e390$0200a8c0@johnd14lb032mi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 John Mau wrote: > > To bad, I would have gone $200. and then wrote: > Is this guy a jerk to everyone, or am I just the lucky one? I think Larry's point was two-fold: 1) Why was it important to send this tidbit of information to 425 KRnet subscribers? 2) If you'd have gone $200, why DIDN'T you, and why complain about it now to the list? There are some folks who try to "police" KRnet traffic behind the scenes, and I don't have a problem with that. In fact, I'd encourage it. Otherwise, I come off as the bad guy making all the "collars", and everybody would think (maybe KNOW) I'm a jerk. I post my pet peaves to the list occasionally, just to remind people what the "rules" are, and to shame people into refraining from such posts in the future, but I think there's a place for several people privately emailing offenders and letting them know what's accepted and what's not. That keeps it off the list, and keeps people from getting their feelings hurt publicly (which tends to magnify the effect). The bottom line is that I've just about given up trying to make people act like I think they ought to act, so others are trying to take up my slack. If you need some pointers on what's accepted and what's not, check out KRNetiquette at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . But the question you'll see repeated is "do 425 people need to spend their time reading my post"? In this case, I'd say no... Mark Langford, KRnet adminstrator N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:08:55 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRNET" Subject: KR>What's acceptable Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Mark said; The bottom line is that I've just about given up trying to make people act like I think they ought to act, so others are trying to take up my slack. If you need some pointers on what's accepted and what's not, check out KRNetiquette at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . On that item, he could ask his Mother. That kind of stuff isn't acceptable ANYWHERE Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:11:00 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>FOAM FOR NEW WINGS Message-ID: <001f01c3e459$4aa31590$7a05fc44@ROBBINS1> References: <165.2a66e0e0.2d46d2d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Wicks only shows a cream colored foam. Hi again Sherman; I think that the Wicks foam is the same as the original foam sold by Rand, just the color is different. Orma aka AviationMech 19 Years flying the KR-2 Orma L. Robbins Michigan Orma@aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:27:42 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRNET" Subject: KR>Low back pressure check valve Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 The check valve issue we discussed is available on eBay at item # 2455692541, with some facet pumps suitable for transfer. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:16:38 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Fw: KR-2S plans are sold Message-ID: <001201c3e494$bdfd6960$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <002301c3e444$a917e390$0200a8c0@johnd14lb032mi> <036e01c3e458$5a76dca0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Being a jerk means never having to say your sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:04 PM Subject: Re: KR>Fw: KR-2S plans are sold > John Mau wrote: > > > > To bad, I would have gone $200. > > and then wrote: > > > Is this guy a jerk to everyone, or am I just the lucky one? > > I think Larry's point was two-fold: > > 1) Why was it important to send this tidbit of information to 425 > KRnet subscribers? > 2) If you'd have gone $200, why DIDN'T you, and why complain about it > now to the list? > > There are some folks who try to "police" KRnet traffic behind the > scenes, and I don't have a problem with that. In fact, I'd encourage > it. Otherwise, I come off as the bad guy making all the "collars", and everybody > would think (maybe KNOW) I'm a jerk. I post my pet peaves to the list > occasionally, just to remind people what the "rules" are, and to shame > people into refraining from such posts in the future, but I think > there's a > place for several people privately emailing offenders and letting them know > what's accepted and what's not. That keeps it off the list, and keeps > people from getting their feelings hurt publicly (which tends to > magnify the > effect). > > The bottom line is that I've just about given up trying to make people > act like I think they ought to act, so others are trying to take up my > slack. If you need some pointers on what's accepted and what's not, > check out KRNetiquette at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . But the > question you'll see repeated is "do 425 people need to spend their > time reading my post"? In this case, I'd say no... > > Mark Langford, KRnet adminstrator > N56ML at hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:33:03 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>FOAM FOR NEW WINGS Message-ID: <40164C6F.000003.03432@Computer> References: <165.2a66e0e0.2d46d2d9@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Sherman,=0D =0D I don't know what kind of foam is or is not acceptable, but I prefer work= ing with the blue or pink foam. It sands very easy, whereas the cream colore= d stuff is almost rubbery. I know that it is tougher, but as I understand = it, the strength is in the sandwich construction and not the foam itself. Yo= u can get the pink or blue stuff from AS, and if you have trouble with that= , I think I have a box that it was shipped in that may have a number on it.=0D =0D Contact me off net if you need more info.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From skphil@charter.net Tue Jan 27 04:45:37 2004 Received: from mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.224]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AlSb3-000N8p-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:45:37 -0800 Received: from 209.225.8.224 (dc-mxdb07.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.82]) by mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id i0RCZYRm062981 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:35:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skphil@charter.net) Message-Id: <200401271235.i0RCZYRm062981@mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net> X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:36:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: KR>Sun-n-fun X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Going down thursday through Sunday. 1. Where are people staying? Not camping the ground is to hard. 2. Where is Holiday inn North? Not in Lakeland. 3. If you are flying down early and pass over Auburn Alabama and need a place to stay let me know. 4. If you would like to ride together? Let me know. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama skphil@charter.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:54:45 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>FOAM FOR NEW WINGS Message-ID: <001c01c3e4dd$1f20bb50$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <165.2a66e0e0.2d46d2d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Sherman wrote: > Also, I tore apart the water damaged wing that came from my bird, and found > the foam to be Like florist's foam. It is green, and open celled. > Where do I > get this kind of stuff in sheets? Wicks only shows a cream colored > foam. The plans call for 2 pound (per cubic foot) urethane foam, which is sold by both Wicks and Aircraft Spruce. It comes in various colors, but most of it that I've seen is either pink or a yellowish tan. It is very similar (if not identical) to the green florist foam. My KR2S is made up of some pink and some yellow. I've seen no difference in the sanding (or other) qualities of different colored 2 pound urethane foam. I think the rubbery stuff is isocyanurate (I'm pretty sure that's not spelled right), and it is a pain to deal with. Definitely don't bother with it. It tears rather than sands. You can also use something very similar called Trymer 2000 (or some other number), which is made for the construction industry and comes in huge 4' x 8' x 2' "buns" of urethane. It is considerably cheaper than what the aircraft guys charge, comes in much larger and thicker sheets, and can probably be bought locally from an insulation place, saving on shipping. Some guys have picked up the leftovers out of the dumpster for free. The stuff works just fine. Some folks have used Styrofoam, but it takes considerably longer to sand to shape, and gasoline dissolves it on contact. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:05:43 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>FOAM FOR NEW WINGS Message-ID: <000001c3e4de$a81c5e90$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <001c01c3e4dd$1f20bb50$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Mark, My KR2 uses Styrofoam all over. I fear the reaction of the French airworthiness inspector on that. If he (or she, let's be politically correct for a change) questions the airworthiness of the foam, or compliance with the plans, what should I answer? Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia (pilot) Orleans, France (aircraft) Mark Langford wrote: [Some folks have used Styrofoam, but it takes considerably longer to sand to shape, and gasoline dissolves it on contact.] Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:13:04 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>FOAM FOR NEW WINGS Message-ID: <000d01c3e4e8$1021c4e0$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <165.2a66e0e0.2d46d2d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Your description make me think it's urethane (Green) but it can't be urethane if it's open cell. A test for open cell foam is put water on it and see if it absorbs the water, if not it's closed cell. If it's urethane you can fix it with two part urethane foam. [ keep it cool for density control.] KKRon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: KR>FOAM FOR NEW WINGS > Hey Guys... > I am going to build a new set of wings for my KR2, and need plans for > the wings only. I really don't want to shell out to Jeanette (Rand) > the price for an > entire set of plans if I can avoid it. If any of you are willing sell what I > need, I will be most grateful. > Also, I tore apart the water damaged wing that came from my bird, and found > the foam to be Like florist's foam. It is green, and open celled. > Where do I > get this kind of stuff in sheets? Wicks only shows a cream colored > foam. Thanks...Sherman Spartanburg, S.C. > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:48:53 EST From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>need a prop Message-ID: <1a9.1f7226d0.2d47e265@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Hey... I don't know what to ask. Make me an offer if you would like. There are a few items on my engine that would have to be removed so the thing will work on yours. I will need to obtain the plates to blank off where those items came from. Thanks for the e-mail, and hope to hear from you..Sherman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:06:01 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>need a prop Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1a9.1f7226d0.2d47e265@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Sherman, I don't have a prop for sale.... ;o) Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of SkyVisionSC@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:49 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>need a prop Hey... I don't know what to ask. Make me an offer if you would like. There are a few items on my engine that would have to be removed so the thing will work on ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:53:47 EST From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>FOAM FOR NEW WINGS Message-ID: <126.399d8b9c.2d480dbb@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_126.399d8b9c.2d480dbb_boundary" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 --part1_126.399d8b9c.2d480dbb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Mark... Good to hear from you again. I'll be starting on my wings real soon. Here is a photo of part of my KR. Thanks...Sherman --part1_126.399d8b9c.2d480dbb_boundary-- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 293, Issue 1 *************************************