From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:34 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 311, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Rubber Grommets (Mark Jones) 2. Re: Re: KR/ Piano Hinge Dimpling (Phillip Matheson) 3. Re: Rubber Grommets (Joseph H Horton) 4. Re: Rubber Grommets (Mark Jones) 5. Re: Rubber Grommets (Mark Langford) 6. Re: Rubber Grommets (Mark Jones) 7. RE: Rubber Grommets (Ron Freiberger) 8. RE: Rubber Grommets (Ron Freiberger) 9. Re: Rubber Grommets (Dean Cooper) 10. Re: Rubber Grommets (Mark Jones) 11. Re: Rubber Grommets (Mark Jones) 12. Re: Rubber Grommets (Seibert Family) 13. Re: Rubber Grommets (Ed Janssen) 14. Re: Rubber Grommets (Ed Janssen) 15. Re: KRnet logo stickers 16. Progress report (long) (larry flesner) 17. Volunteer (Colin & Bev Rainey) 18. Re: Progress report (long) (Steve and Lori McGee) 19. Re: Rubber Grommets (gleone) 20. Re: Rubber Grommets (Mark Jones) 21. KR spins (larry severson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:09:35 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width of = 1/4" , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor at = Airventure but need more. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:25:05 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Re: KR/ Piano Hinge Dimpling Message-ID: <007001c3f291$4ac351c0$9696dccb@ralf> References: <20040208.202157.-396029.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Dan, Joseph, Mark and all that helped thank you.Boy it's hot today 43c , 110 F Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:34:42 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <20040213.203442.-565015.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 > Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width > of 1/4" , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor > at Airventure but need more. Thanks > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html Mark, Maybe at Sears Hardware. I know that they have a fair selection. Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:00:13 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <003301c3f29e$48d0bda0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <20040213.203442.-565015.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Thanks Joe, I have not looked there. Seems the industry standard is 1/16 to 1/8 groove width. I need them for wire insulation passing through some 1/4 ply webs. Wish I had bought more at Airventure but at the time I did not even thing I needed the ones I bought. It was one of those impulse buys where one says "I just might need some of those one day". I have plenty of 3/4 ID and 1" ID with narrow grooves if anyone needs any. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph H Horton" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets > > > > Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width > > of 1/4" , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor > > at Airventure but need more. Thanks > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > Mark, > Maybe at Sears Hardware. I know that they have a fair selection. Joe > Horton Coopersburg, Pa. > joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:10:37 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <01b201c3f29f$bd0bb9d0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <019b01c3f29c$169d8db0$1202a8c0@basement> <002d01c3f29d$b1993160$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Can you do the trick in "Firewall Forward" on page 67, where he countersinks it with a spade bit so it's only 1/16" thick? You've probably thought of that, but maybe not. I'm in the middle of punching a few holes in my firewall as well... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:21:17 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <004101c3f2a1$3a829a40$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <019b01c3f29c$169d8db0$1202a8c0@basement> <002d01c3f29d$b1993160$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <01b201c3f29f$bd0bb9d0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I had seen that illustration but did not consider it for grommeting. May have to do that as a last resort. Or if I could find some sort of snap in grommet, but those are usually hard plastic. But that would be sort of like a fairlead so I guess that would work. It's just that I would like for it to match what I have already done. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets > Can you do the trick in "Firewall Forward" on page 67, where he countersinks > it with a spade bit so it's only 1/16" thick? You've probably thought > of that, but maybe not. > > I'm in the middle of punching a few holes in my firewall as well... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:28:55 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c3f2a1$3a829a40$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 When you're done, remember that it's a FIREWALL and cover with whatever they're using these days for the approved asbestos putty. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:32:38 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Where is Bob Gibfried? He sold me mine! Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width of 1/4" , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor at Airventure but need more. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:24:21 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <00b801c3f2aa$09821cf0$0502a8c0@office> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Mark, I found some on page 3472 of McMaster-Carr's online catalog http://www.mcmaster.com/. (Part #9307K71). It's made for a 1 1/16" hole so it should work. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: KR>Rubber Grommets Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width of 1/4" , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor at Airventure but need more. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:25:57 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <004d01c3f2aa$433ae080$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Not to worry, I'm not using them on a firewall. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: RE: KR>Rubber Grommets > > When you're done, remember that it's a FIREWALL and cover with > whatever they're using these days for the approved asbestos putty. Ron > Freiberger > mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:39:54 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <001501c3f2ac$3618d680$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <00b801c3f2aa$09821cf0$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 I must have overlooked those. I did look in McMaster catalog 103 and did not see them. I can order them from work. Thanks. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets > Mark, > > I found some on page 3472 of McMaster-Carr's online catalog > http://www.mcmaster.com/. (Part #9307K71). It's made for a 1 1/16" > hole so it should work. > > Dean Cooper > Jacksonville, FL > Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net > See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:09 PM > Subject: KR>Rubber Grommets > > > Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width > of 1/4" > , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor at > Airventure but > need more. Thanks > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:45:25 -0500 From: Seibert Family To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <402D99D5.5010902@ptd.net> In-Reply-To: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Mark Try www.mcmaster.com they have about everything.. Carroll Seibert Manfsfield PA carann@ptd.net Mark Jones wrote: >Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width of >1/4" , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor at >Airventure but need more. Thanks > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:13:59 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <00b401c3f2a0$35993cb0$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Mark, If you can get by with a 1-1/16th in. groove diam. (hole), try this site: http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/73130239/page2.htm Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:09 PM Subject: KR>Rubber Grommets Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width of 1/4" , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor at Airventure but need more. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:29:28 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <00e901c3f2a2$60de7000$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com><019b01c3f29c$169d8db0$1202a8c0@basement><002d01c3f29d$b1993160$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <01b201c3f29f$bd0bb9d0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 It may not look pretty, but I've cut some good quality thick-walled clear vinyl tubing to the right length (thickness of firewall) for passing wires and other stuff through a firewall, then sealed it with a high temp. sealant. Not sure whether fire resistance is needed there. Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets > Can you do the trick in "Firewall Forward" on page 67, where he countersinks > it with a spade bit so it's only 1/16" thick? You've probably thought > of that, but maybe not. > > I'm in the middle of punching a few holes in my firewall as well... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:36:42 EST From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KRnet logo stickers Message-ID: <1cb.19a01169.2d5f7e6a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Hello... I am in the sign business, and have contract printers that do "stickers". I will offer the stickers at my invoice cost to the group. This will save about 40% from the usual cost of the decals. Sherman Swofford Spartanburg, SC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:52:46 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Progress report (long) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040214075246.007a9ea0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <00fd01c3f241$dbab79b0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 (Written Friday PM - mail server down) Netters, MY KR IS BACK IN THE AIR !!!!!!! Who says Friday the 13th is unlucky? Tank leak: I seem to have the leak fixed in the left tank. I took the wing home, cut open the bottom of the wing from the 48 inch rib to the 36 inch rib and 12 inches behind the forward spar. I then removed the foam and exposed the entire bottom of the tank. I ended up cutting out the bottom of the tank, doing some re-sealing work and then re-attaching the bottom. I replaced the removed foam, sanded to shape, glassed and finished the wing skin through primer. I also had a small area on the top of the wing I had to close back up and re-skin. It held gas for 2 hours with the tank bottom and one end exposed with no visible signs of dampness or leaks. That's when I drained the fuel and closed up the wing. I managed all this while going through a bout with the flu. Bed rest for a day, work on the wing for a couple of hours, back to bed for a day, work on the wing, bed rest, part time at the laundry, bed rest, work on the wing, and on and on. Prop: The 4 inches of pitch that Ed Sterba took off the prop seems to have made little if any difference. I'm still pulling about 2300 static and 2500 at flat out cruise. I'm not going to make any more changes to the prop at this time and get some hours on the engine. It is a high time engine and may be a bit weak. I don't want to take too much off the prop just in case. The prop is a 60" X 68" and was repitched to a 60" X 64". Speeds: I replaced my "KPH" ASI with a "SMPH" ASI. Flat out cruise I'm seeing between 150 and 160 depending on how straight and level I hold it and for how long. I'm tending not to do any long straight and level runs just yet, more turns, climbs, slow flight, etc. Also, I still don't have wheel pants on those 30" Diehl gear legs with the 600X6 wheels and brakes hanging out in the breese. At 2500? rpm I'm only pulling maybe 85 hp out of the engine also so I look to get another 10 mph or so at some point which should give me a strong 160mph+ cruise. Remember, I do have a big (and heavy) KR. Handling: I'm actually starting to move the control stick in flight now.:-) I'm getting more aggressive with ailerons, stick, and rudder and exploring some of the yet unknown areas of handling. I flew a bit deeper into the stall also and it is very gentle. On the first attempt the ASI was bouncing on the peg at 40MPH when I felt a slight buffeting (I think) and the left wing did a gentle drop of about 20 degrees. The KR was flying again as soon as I released back pressure. I flew right back into the second stall and this time the right wing dropped first, a little quicker and maybe to 30 degrees or so. Again the KR was flying as soon as I released back pressure. With it breaking left on the first stall and right on the second stall I'm inclined to think maybe I didn't have the ball centered either or both times. I'll try it again and watch for more clues. Slips: My first real surprise, and I must admit the first time I've puckered real hard and real quick, was when I tried a couple of slips. Holding about 80mph indicated I kicked some left wing down and right rudder for a side slip. At about 20 degrees wing down and 15+ degrees nose right the nose did a rather quick nose down pitch of about 20 degrees. (or so it felt) It caught me by surprise and I neutralized the controls. It came right out of the slip. I tried it again, not believing what just happened, and it did it again. Expecting it the second time, it felt to me as if at some point the elevator blanked out. Any of you guys flying "standard" KR's ever notice anything like that? I'll check it out further and keep you posted. I'll have to make sure I'm not doing something with the controls to cause it. Everything I've ever heard is that KR's slip like a dream. I'm glad I didn't try my first slip on a landing and close to the ground. It probably wouldn't have been a problem but I'll bet it woud have scared the @#$%^&* out of me! Problems? I noticed oil on the belly after the flight. I'm guessing it's coming from my oil quick drain which sticks out the bottom of my cowl about 1/2". I may put a solid plug in it tomorrow and see if that is where the oil is coming from or if I need to look further. Speed brake: I probably need to hook up some LED's or some kind of indicator for my speed brake. At least a full up and full down LED. Right now it's a bit of a guessing game. I have limit switches so I'm not loading it at either extreme but it would be nice to have an indicator. With 5 landings now I'm sure glad I installed it. It helps to stabilize the speed on landing and gives a bit better nose down pitch for visibility. I suspect it helps kill the float also but I have yet to try a landing not using it. Maybe tomorrow. Speaking of landings, this thing is AWSOME! We won't discuss the first land but the last four have been "squeakers". I probably shouldn't even call them "squeakers" as the tires never make a sound, they just start rolling. No bounce, no nothing. I just flare to a tail low attitude, I hold it off, and then the tires just start rolling. It touches down smoother then the Tripacer. Yes, I know, this will all change when I start flying with a bit of wind but for now it's making me feel like a real pilot. Final thought: My wife timed her visit to the airport perfectly today. She was out shoping and stopped by just as we were rolling the KR out to the apron. My friend Bill followed me up in the Tripacer with my wife flying right seat so she got to see the KR in flight. She couldn't get over how small it looked after seeing it in the garage for 13 years. Funny thing is the Olds looks bigger in the garage that on the driveway too. :-) I may try to get in some "fun flying" tomorrow (my 59th birthday) and then settle down to some serious testing with timed climbs and decents, speed brake numbers, etc. Larry - grinning from ear to ear - Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:58:25 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Volunteer Message-ID: <003f01c3f302$9dbbf190$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 Mar, I will volunteer for the mailings and assisting with the idea of = storing/shipping the prop(s) samples to builders. I can either handle = the Southeast Area, or if it doesn't get divided up that way then = however you divide the pile will work. I am one of the interested = folks, planning on at least 3-4 stickers personally. Just as a funny side note...volunteering goes against all my Marine = Corps training...NEVER volunteer was their motto..as an organization we = got volunteered enough! Ooooo Raaa! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sat Feb 14 06:25:18 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.132] helo=ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1As0jN-000EWy-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:25:18 -0800 Received: from RaineyDay (242.69.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.69.242]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1EEGS5k027170 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:16:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004c01c3f305$22a32890$f2452141@RaineyDay> From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:16:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>OOps X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sorry Mark, I don't know how "Mar" happened. Too early, and not enough = coffee yet. Do not archive Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom flykr2s@wi.rr.com Sat Feb 14 06:30:07 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.122]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1As0o3-000EhO-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:30:07 -0800 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-81-78.wi.rr.com [65.31.81.78]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1EELEpm019266 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:21:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001501c3f305$f25a5c20$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" References: <3.0.6.32.20040214075246.007a9ea0@pop.midwest.net> Subject: Re: KR>Progress report (long) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:22:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Larry that is an excellent report....just gets my blood boiling. I just came in from working on my KR to check e-mail and wow, now I have got to get back to the garage. Larry, I am coming to join you!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:52 AM Subject: KR>Progress report (long) > > (Written Friday PM - mail server down) > > Netters, > > MY KR IS BACK IN THE AIR !!!!!!! Who says > Friday the 13th is unlucky? > > Tank leak: I seem to have the leak fixed in the left tank. I took > the wing home, cut open the bottom of the wing from the 48 inch rib to > the 36 inch rib and 12 inches behind the forward spar. I then removed > the foam and exposed the entire bottom of the tank. I ended up > cutting out the bottom of the tank, doing some re-sealing work and > then re-attaching the bottom. I replaced the removed foam, sanded to > shape, glassed and finished the wing skin through primer. I also had > a small area on the top of the wing I had to close back up and > re-skin. It held gas for 2 hours with the tank bottom and one end > exposed with no visible signs of dampness or leaks. That's when I > drained the fuel and closed up the wing. I managed all this while > going through a bout with the flu. Bed rest for a day, work on the > wing for a couple of hours, back to bed for a day, work on the wing, > bed rest, part time at the laundry, bed rest, work on the wing, and > on and on. > > Prop: The 4 inches of pitch that Ed Sterba took off the prop seems to > have made little if any difference. I'm still pulling about 2300 > static and 2500 at flat out cruise. I'm not going to make any more > changes to the prop at this time and get some hours on the engine. It > is a high time engine and may be a bit weak. I don't want to take too > much off the prop just in case. The prop is a 60" X 68" and was > repitched to a 60" X 64". > > Speeds: I replaced my "KPH" ASI with a "SMPH" ASI. Flat out cruise > I'm seeing between 150 and 160 depending on how straight and level I > hold it and for how long. I'm tending not to do any long straight and > level runs just yet, more turns, climbs, slow flight, etc. Also, I > still don't have wheel pants on those 30" Diehl gear legs with the > 600X6 wheels and brakes hanging out in the breese. At 2500? rpm I'm > only pulling maybe 85 hp out of the engine also so I look to get > another 10 mph or so at some point which should give me a strong > 160mph+ cruise. Remember, I do have a big (and heavy) KR. > > > Handling: I'm actually starting to move the control stick in flight now.:-) > I'm getting more aggressive with ailerons, stick, and rudder and > exploring some of the yet unknown areas of handling. I flew a bit > deeper into the stall also and it is very gentle. On the first > attempt the ASI was bouncing on the peg at 40MPH when I felt a slight > buffeting (I think) and the left wing did a gentle drop of about 20 > degrees. The KR was flying again as soon as I released back pressure. > I flew right back into the second stall and this time the right wing > dropped first, a little quicker and maybe to 30 degrees or so. Again > the KR was flying as soon as I released back pressure. With it > breaking left on the first stall and right on the second stall I'm > inclined to think maybe I didn't have the ball centered either or both > times. I'll try it again and watch for more clues. > > Slips: My first real surprise, and I must admit the first time I've > puckered real hard and real quick, was when I tried a couple of slips. > Holding about 80mph indicated I kicked some left wing down and right > rudder for a side slip. At about 20 degrees wing down and 15+ degrees > nose right the nose did a rather quick nose down pitch of about 20 > degrees. (or so it felt) It caught me by surprise and I neutralized > the controls. It came right out of the slip. I tried it again, not > believing what just happened, and it did it again. Expecting it the > second time, it felt to me as if at some point the elevator blanked > out. Any of you guys flying "standard" KR's ever notice anything like > that? I'll check it out further and keep you posted. I'll have to > make sure I'm not doing something with the controls to cause it. > Everything I've ever heard is that KR's slip like a dream. I'm glad I > didn't try my first slip on a landing and close to the ground. It > probably wouldn't have been a problem but I'll bet it woud have scared > the @#$%^&* out of me! > > Problems? I noticed oil on the belly after the flight. I'm guessing > it's coming from my oil quick drain which sticks out the bottom of my > cowl about 1/2". I may put a solid plug in it tomorrow and see if > that is where the oil is coming from or if I need to look further. > > Speed brake: I probably need to hook up some LED's or some kind of > indicator for my speed brake. At least a full up and full down LED. > Right now it's a bit of a guessing game. I have limit switches so I'm > not loading it at either extreme but it would be nice to have an > indicator. With 5 landings now I'm sure glad I installed it. It > helps to stabilize the speed on landing and gives a bit better nose > down pitch for visibility. I suspect it helps kill the float also but > I have yet to try a landing not using it. Maybe tomorrow. > > Speaking of landings, this thing is AWSOME! We won't discuss the > first land but the last four have been "squeakers". I probably > shouldn't even call them "squeakers" as the tires never make a sound, > they just start rolling. No bounce, no nothing. I just flare to a > tail low attitude, > I hold it off, and then the tires just start rolling. It touches down > smoother then the Tripacer. Yes, I know, this will all change when I > start flying with a bit of wind but for now it's making me feel like a > real pilot. > > Final thought: My wife timed her visit to the airport perfectly > today. She was out shoping and stopped by just as we were rolling the > KR out to the apron. My friend Bill followed me up in the Tripacer > with my wife flying right seat so she got to see the KR in flight. She > couldn't get over how small it looked after seeing it in the garage > for 13 years. Funny thing is the Olds looks bigger in the garage that > on the driveway too. :-) > > I may try to get in some "fun flying" tomorrow (my 59th birthday) and > then settle down to some serious testing with timed climbs and > decents, speed brake numbers, etc. > > Larry - grinning from ear to ear - Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:46:03 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Progress report (long) Message-ID: <002201c3f309$4544d520$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <3.0.6.32.20040214075246.007a9ea0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Larry Resnor said: > Speeds: I replaced my "KPH" ASI with a "SMPH" ASI. Flat out cruise > I'm seeing between 150 and 160 depending on how straight and level I > hold it and for how long. I'm tending not to do any long straight and > level runs just yet, more turns, climbs, slow flight, etc. Also, I > still don't have wheel pants on those 30" Diehl gear legs with the > 600X6 wheels and brakes hanging out in the breese. At 2500? rpm I'm > only pulling maybe 85 hp out of the engine also so I look to get > another 10 mph or so at some point which should give me a strong > 160mph+ cruise. Remember, I do have a big (and heavy) KR. > > Larry, how big and how heavy? This is a far cry from the 195 many are said to achieve. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:10:56 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <402E3A80.000001.04024@bce-p949w4at3vz> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 19 Try Radio Shack.=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:09:15 PM=0D To: KR Net=0D Subject: KR>Rubber Grommets=0D =0D Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width of 1= /4" , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor at Airventure = but need more. Thanks=0D =0D Mark Jones (N886MJ)=0D Wales, WI USA=0D E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com=0D Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at=0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html=0D =0D _______________________________________=0D to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html=0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:34:13 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Message-ID: <002701c3f30f$ffd64f80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <402E3A80.000001.04024@bce-p949w4at3vz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Thanks to all who have responded......I have resolved my dilemma. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: Re: KR>Rubber Grommets Try Radio Shack. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:09:15 PM To: KR Net Subject: KR>Rubber Grommets Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width of 1/4" , 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor at Airventure but need more. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:24:34 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: KR>KR spins Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040214092231.00b4a7d0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <002701c3f30f$ffd64f80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <000801c3f28e$d49331c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <402E3A80.000001.04024@bce-p949w4at3vz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 21 Based on previous discussions on the net about spins, I suggest that everyone get a copy of Nov. 2003 "Air & Space" magazine and read the article starting on page 36. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 311, Issue 1 *************************************