From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:44 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 317, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Items for Sale (Les Criscillo) 2. Re: Training Wheel 3. Re: Do we need a tail wheel lock on a KR? 4. Re: Do we need a tail wheel lock on a KR? 5. Re: Training Wheel (Joseph H Horton) 6. Alternative engine roundup... (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 0200 ENGINE MOUNTS (Ross Evans) 8. A slip rod or stretch-limiting wire/cable thru the spring ? (Dan Heath) 9. make me have an inferior complex when I pull up in mine at the 2004Gathering (Dan Heath) 10. Early KR stuff (Mark Langford) 11. Re: Do we need a tail wheel lock on a KR? (Virgil Salisbury) 12. Re: Early KR stuff (Bob Stone) 13. Re: Early KR stuff (James R Freeman) 14. RE: A slip rod or stretch-limiting wire/cable thru the spring ? (Ron Freiberger) 15. Re: make me have an inferior complex when I pull up in mine at the2004Gathering (Mark Jones) 16. KR engine mount, stick on sale at Wicks (Mark Langford) 17. Re: Early KR stuff (Brian Kraut) 18. 2S premolded parts (Brian Kraut) 19. Re: 2S premolded parts (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 20. RE: Do we need a tail wheel lock on a KR? (Stephen Jacobs) 21. RE: Training Wheel (Serge F. Vidal) 22. RE: Early KR stuff (Stephen Jacobs) 23. Re: Taxi tests (Martindale Family) 24. RE: Training Wheel (Stephen Jacobs) 25. First Flight - Training or Pilot or Both (Kenneth B. Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:46:36 -0500 From: "Les Criscillo" To: "KR2 Mailing List" Subject: KR>Ebay Items for Sale Message-ID: <010a01c3f729$77a02690$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Clear DayRevmaster accessory and starter on ebay for sale.=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&category=3D= 26439&item=3D2461244557&sspagename=3DSTRK%3AMESSE%3AIT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&category=3D= 26439&item=3D2461246283&sspagename=3DSTRK%3AMESSE%3AIT Les Criscillo Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:38:23 -0500 From: intrepid1ac@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Training Wheel Message-ID: <20040219.174009.-143737.0.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 > "Mark Jones" writes: > ..... > I think I will install a fake tail wheel (like an inline skate > wheel) on the back with a swivel. Not as silly an idea as it may seem. Virtually all American Yankees and Grumman Trainers have skid marks on their plastic tailcones caused by hitting and dragging the tail on a less-than-perfect landing. A desk chair caster wheel back there would be an obvious answer, not to mention reinforcing the idea of "training wheel on the front". Saw a photo recently of a Fouga Meister (sp?) jet warbird --- tucked into the ventral fin was exactly such a "fourth wheel" ! Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie" 1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started ( but four metal homebuilts underway ) Winston-Salem, NC ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:39:49 -0500 From: intrepid1ac@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Do we need a tail wheel lock on a KR? Message-ID: <20040219.174009.-143737.2.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 > "Dan Heath" writes: > No, but you need to use expansion springs. The compression springs are > way too stiff, ask me how I know. Also, use springs, don't set it up > with a direct connect. AS sells a nice compression spring set. The compression springs offer intrinsic safety against a broken spring leaving the tailwheel out of control. Even with the spring broken, the end attachments are interleaved and the line secure. Pet stores sell these springs quite cheaply for use on dog tie-out chains to protect the pet from the shock of reaching the end of the chain. They come in different sizes and compression force according to the size of the pet ( or tailwheel ... :). A tailwheel lock also provides a backup to a spring failure, and may even prevent landing forces and accelerations or oscillations from *causing* the springs to break. How might such a fail-safe be accomplished with an expansion spring ? A slip rod or stretch-limiting wire/cable thru the spring ? Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie" 1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started ( but four metal homebuilts underway ) Winston-Salem, NC ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:39:15 -0500 From: intrepid1ac@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Do we need a tail wheel lock on a KR? Message-ID: <20040219.174009.-143737.1.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 > "Stephen Jacobs" writes: > What the hell is a Harmon Rocket II? A derivitive of a Van's RV-4, the Harmon Rocket has a honkin' big Lycoming IO-540 ( 300+ hp) engine and constant speed prop on the nose. The "II" comes from a slight widening and lengthening of the standard Harmon Rocket fuselage; maybe taller gear legs for a bigger prop also. I think. Van has so many models now that I get confused. ( ok, I =stay= confused anyway ... ) Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie" 1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started ( but four metal homebuilts underway ) Winston-Salem, NC ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:57:23 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Training Wheel Message-ID: <20040219.175724.-480221.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 > All of you guys talking about the KR with a training wheel > (noeswheel) are > going to make me have an inferior complex when I pull up in mine at > the 2004 > Gathering. Therefore, Mark , When you show up with your KR at the gathering I beleive that it should be with a superiority complex and it would be deserved. Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:22:09 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net, pietenpol-list@matronics.com, sqrlnet@yahoogroups.com, STOL@onelist.com, ultravair@yahoogroups.com Subject: KR>Alternative engine roundup... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 I'm passing along info on an upcoming fly-in event featuring alternative engines. Info on this website: http://www.contactmagazine.com/roundUp.html Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:27:32 +1000 From: "Ross Evans" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>0200 ENGINE MOUNTS Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 hi GUYS can u buy an 0200 mount for the kr2 and kr2s I would be interested on the lengths from the firewalls the engines mount at for both aircraft as a starting point so c of g comes out right does the 0200 vary in weight between models I know it is around 200 pounds. cheers Ross _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here http://ninemsn.seek.com.au/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:43:44 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>A slip rod or stretch-limiting wire/cable thru the spring ? Message-ID: <40355840.000005.03980@Computer> References: <20040219.174009.-143737.2.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Sure, why not. However, I flew mine for 6 years and never even pulled the tension out of the spring. Why go to a pet store when they are relatively inexpensive from Wicks or AS?=0D =0D I have been there and done that. Put in a compression spring and you migh= t as well direct connect it with a cable. The tail is so light and the whee= l so small that you cannot get enough pressure to bring the wheel straight,= if you happen to be landing with a little rudder input. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:56:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>make me have an inferior complex when I pull up in mine at the 2004Gathering Message-ID: <40355B37.000007.03980@Computer> References: <001801c3f6e1$c7689420$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Mark, you feel inferior, not a chance! Besides, with a gorgeous plane lik= e that, how could anyone feel inferior. =0D =0D Anyone who actually completes and flys a KR, or any homebuilt for that matter, could not do so if their was an inferior bone anywhere in their b= ody =0D =0D I hope to see your new bird at the 2004 gathering. I am going as hard as = I can, but it ain't lookin good right now.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:09:36 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRNet" Subject: KR>Early KR stuff Message-ID: <001801c3f74e$34f30f40$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 NetHeads, I got an envelope with some interesting stuff from South African Royce Kitney. It included a drawing that I've never seen before, a KR twin engine affair named the KR3! The drawing at http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr3.pdf shows the general idea. This idea eventually evolved into the single engine KR3A amphibian, which is shown at http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr3a.gif . The KR3A was never really flown any distance, I believe, just "taxi" tested on the water. Also enclosed were two letters from Ken Rand to Royce, dated just a few months after the KR1 plans were drawn up. They are shown at http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr_letters.pdf . And there is also a large format photo taken in October of 1972 ( http://www.krnet.org/misc/n1436.jpg ) of Ken flying his plane in what appears to be the same photo shoot that yielded the pictures for the March 1973 Popular Mechanix article, as well as the October 1973 Science and Mechanics issue. He also sent me a sample of Dynel, which Ken had sent to him along with the December letter. I had no idea that Dynel looks just like KR fiberglass cloth, only not shiny! I always thought it had a much finer weave. This is a lot like a trip back in time, and I thought the rest of you might enjoy it as well. If you want to see more of this kind of stuff, visit Don Reid's collection of Sport Aviation articles at http://users.erols.com/donreid/sportaviation/kr_SA.htm . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:19:55 -0500 From: Virgil Salisbury To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Do we need a tail wheel lock on a KR? Message-ID: <20040219.204856.2716.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Art, have 1972/3? plans. Reciept # 876 ? Fus done, spars done. Willget the spars installed sometime, Virg On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:39:49 -0500 intrepid1ac@juno.com writes: > > "Dan Heath" writes: > > No, but you need to use expansion springs. The compression springs > > are way too stiff, ask me how I know. Also, use springs, don't set > > it up with a direct connect. AS sells a nice > compression > > spring set. > > The compression springs offer intrinsic safety against a broken > spring leaving the tailwheel out of control. Even with the > spring > broken, the end attachments are interleaved and the line secure. > > Pet stores sell these springs quite cheaply for use on dog > tie-out > chains to protect the pet from the shock of reaching the end of > the chain. They come in different sizes and compression force > according to the size of the pet ( or tailwheel ... :). > > A tailwheel lock also provides a backup to a spring failure, and > may even prevent landing forces and accelerations or oscillations > from *causing* the springs to break. > > How might such a fail-safe be accomplished with an expansion > spring ? A slip rod or stretch-limiting wire/cable thru the > spring ? > > Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie" > 1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started > ( but four metal homebuilts underway ) > Winston-Salem, NC > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the > Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com > to sign up today! > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:56:19 -0600 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Early KR stuff Message-ID: <001001c3f754$bc62a200$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <001801c3f74e$34f30f40$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3F722.7152B3E0" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3F722.7152B3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, The twin engine was to be the next model produced by Rand/Robinson Engineering and would have been had it not been for the death of Ken. The amphibian was built complete and test flown by a guy we all knew was not qualified for the job. He called himself "Captain Jack". Ken did not have the ability to judge people and trusted everyone including this Capt Jack who crashed the amphibian right after take-off. The amphibian was never rebuilt but plans were to start building the four place twin when Ken got back from Sun-and-Fun fly-in and air show in Florida. The return trip from Florida is when he crashed and was killed. I cannot remember if I ever sent you a picture of Ken so since you are one of the most valuable members of the KRNet I have attached the one and only picture of Ken. This was taken in my front room when I lived in Huntington Beach, California just two blocks from where Ken lived. We were close friends for almost ten years prior to his death. This picture was taken about a year before he made the fatal flight from Florida. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRNet" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: KR>Early KR stuff > NetHeads, > > I got an envelope with some interesting stuff from South African Royce > Kitney. It included a drawing that I've never seen before, a KR twin engine > affair named the KR3! The drawing at > http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr3.pdf shows the general idea. This idea > eventually evolved into the single engine > KR3A amphibian, which is shown at http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr3a.gif . The > KR3A was never really flown any distance, I believe, just "taxi" > tested on the water. > > Also enclosed were two letters from Ken Rand to Royce, dated just a > few months after the KR1 plans were drawn up. They are shown at > http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr_letters.pdf . And there is also a large format > photo taken in October of 1972 > ( http://www.krnet.org/misc/n1436.jpg ) of Ken flying his plane in > what appears to be the same photo shoot that yielded the pictures for > the March 1973 Popular Mechanix article, as well as the October 1973 > Science and Mechanics issue. > > He also sent me a sample of Dynel, which Ken had sent to him along > with the > December letter. I had no idea that Dynel looks just like KR > fiberglass cloth, only not shiny! I always thought it had a much > finer weave. > > This is a lot like a trip back in time, and I thought the rest of you might > enjoy it as well. If you want to see more of this kind of stuff, > visit Don > Reid's collection of Sport Aviation articles at > http://users.erols.com/donreid/sportaviation/kr_SA.htm . > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3F722.7152B3E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:07:56 -0500 From: James R Freeman To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Early KR stuff Message-ID: <141f01c3f756$5babf4f0$8fd790cf@HP> References: <001801c3f74e$34f30f40$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Mark: If I am not wrong the KR-3A did fly about 1/4 mile before the crash into the water. And when Ken died it was left alone. As I understand they were doing tests before a show. Keep up the good work. KR-2 #4 plans in hand, may keep this one. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRNet" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:09 PM Subject: KR>Early KR stuff > NetHeads, > > I got an envelope with some interesting stuff from South African Royce > Kitney. It included a drawing that I've never seen before, a KR twin engine > affair named the KR3! The drawing at > http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr3.pdf shows the general idea. This idea > eventually evolved into the single engine > KR3A amphibian, which is shown at http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr3a.gif . The > KR3A was never really flown any distance, I believe, just "taxi" > tested on the water. > > Also enclosed were two letters from Ken Rand to Royce, dated just a > few months after the KR1 plans were drawn up. They are shown at > http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr_letters.pdf . And there is also a large format > photo taken in October of 1972 > ( http://www.krnet.org/misc/n1436.jpg ) of Ken flying his plane in > what appears to be the same photo shoot that yielded the pictures for > the March 1973 Popular Mechanix article, as well as the October 1973 > Science and Mechanics issue. > > He also sent me a sample of Dynel, which Ken had sent to him along > with the > December letter. I had no idea that Dynel looks just like KR > fiberglass cloth, only not shiny! I always thought it had a much > finer weave. > > This is a lot like a trip back in time, and I thought the rest of you might > enjoy it as well. If you want to see more of this kind of stuff, > visit Don > Reid's collection of Sport Aviation articles at > http://users.erols.com/donreid/sportaviation/kr_SA.htm . > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:18:14 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>A slip rod or stretch-limiting wire/cable thru the spring ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40355840.000005.03980@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 You guys can't seem to get the idea that it doesn't much matter whether it's a compression or tension spring. The issue is, HOW STIFF OR STRONG IS IT? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:48:19 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>make me have an inferior complex when I pull up in mine at the2004Gathering Message-ID: <007d01c3f75b$ff850c60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <001801c3f6e1$c7689420$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <40355B37.000007.03980@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Ok guys....I was just kidding around...I do not feel inferior....I have lots of taildragger time in J-3's, Champs, Taylorcrafts and 180's. But I have not flown a taildragger since 1983. I have dragged a lot of tail since then though. Now I keep my nose to the ground and pointed in the right direction. I love taildraggers and I love trikes. To me both are beautiful planes. I have a goal and that is to taxi up on the ramp at this Gathering with a huge smile on my face. I will be installing my auxiliary fuel pump system this weekend. Last weekend, I installed the main Facet pump and hooked everything up to the Ellison carb I am testing and went for several taxi runs down the cul-de-sac I live on. I can't wait till this weekend so I can taxi around some more. Look out cause the "Wild Eagle" will be taking to the skies this summer. :-) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:56 PM Subject: KR>make me have an inferior complex when I pull up in mine at the2004Gathering Mark, you feel inferior, not a chance! Besides, with a gorgeous plane like that, how could anyone feel inferior. Anyone who actually completes and flys a KR, or any homebuilt for that matter, could not do so if their was an inferior bone anywhere in their body I hope to see your new bird at the 2004 gathering. I am going as hard as I can, but it ain't lookin good right now. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:31:29 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>KR engine mount, stick on sale at Wicks Message-ID: <007601c3f762$07791fa0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 I received an order today from Wicks, and in it was a sale flyer that mentioned an engine mount for $90 (KR200-046v), and a KR stick KR200-069 for $40. They are at 618-654-7447. Mention the February clearance "sale-c", and ask for Don. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:45:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Early KR stuff Message-ID: <21050452.1077248706951.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Cool stuff. I think the 500 pound empty weight on a twin KR was a bit ambitious though. I spoke to someone who knew Ken and worked on a KR a long time ago. He told me that Dynel was a fiberglass fabric that was used for window curtains! That was something I never knew. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford Sent: Feb 19, 2004 8:09 PM To: KRNet Subject: KR>Early KR stuff NetHeads, I got an envelope with some interesting stuff from South African Royce Kitney. It included a drawing that I've never seen before, a KR twin engine affair named the KR3! The drawing at http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr3.pdf shows the general idea. This idea eventually evolved into the single engine KR3A amphibian, which is shown at http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr3a.gif . The KR3A was never really flown any distance, I believe, just "taxi" tested on the water. Also enclosed were two letters from Ken Rand to Royce, dated just a few months after the KR1 plans were drawn up. They are shown at http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr_letters.pdf . And there is also a large format photo taken in October of 1972 ( http://www.krnet.org/misc/n1436.jpg ) of Ken flying his plane in what appears to be the same photo shoot that yielded the pictures for the March 1973 Popular Mechanix article, as well as the October 1973 Science and Mechanics issue. He also sent me a sample of Dynel, which Ken had sent to him along with the December letter. I had no idea that Dynel looks just like KR fiberglass cloth, only not shiny! I always thought it had a much finer weave. This is a lot like a trip back in time, and I thought the rest of you might enjoy it as well. If you want to see more of this kind of stuff, visit Don Reid's collection of Sport Aviation articles at http://users.erols.com/donreid/sportaviation/kr_SA.htm . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:46:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>2S premolded parts Message-ID: <9021125.1077248796069.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Can anyone tell me if the canopy, canopy frame, and cowling for a 2S will fit on a standard KR2? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:13:35 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>2S premolded parts Message-ID: <00d401c3f767$e8feca10$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> References: <9021125.1077248796069.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Brian, I have the pre-molds for both the 2 & the 2S for my KR-2 which is stretched to 2S length. I liked the looks of the 2S top lines the best & the 2 turtledeck was too short was another reason to buy the 2S parts. I'll send you a picture off net. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:46 PM Subject: KR>2S premolded parts > Can anyone tell me if the canopy, canopy frame, and cowling for a 2S > will fit on a standard KR2? > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:51:26 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Do we need a tail wheel lock on a KR? Message-ID: <000001c3f77d$fa4a93b0$3964a8c0@homedesktop> In-Reply-To: <20040219.174009.-143737.1.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Harmon Rocket II - derivative of a Van's RV-4, the Harmon Rocket has a honkin' big Lycoming IO-540 ( 300+ hp) Thanks Art. I trained on the AA1 "Lynx" in 1977 - lovely little bird from Jim Bede. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:04:56 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Training Wheel Message-ID: <000701c3f790$9ce599f0$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <20040219.174009.-143737.0.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 21 Actually, large inline skate wheels (100 or 120 mm diameter) would make perfect KR2 tailwheels. I would have used one if they had been available in South Africa. The "Jet warbird" you are referring to is a "FOUGA MAGISTER". It is a French design, and it is an old two seater jet trainer (normally un-armed). Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia (pilot) Orleans, France (aircraft) -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of intrepid1ac@juno.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 23:38 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Training Wheel > "Mark Jones" writes: > ..... > I think I will install a fake tail wheel (like an inline skate > wheel) on the back with a swivel. Not as silly an idea as it may seem. Virtually all American Yankees and Grumman Trainers have skid marks on their plastic tailcones caused by hitting and dragging the tail on a less-than-perfect landing. A desk chair caster wheel back there would be an obvious answer, not to mention reinforcing the idea of "training wheel on the front". Saw a photo recently of a Fouga Meister (sp?) jet warbird --- tucked into the ventral fin was exactly such a "fourth wheel" ! Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie" 1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started ( but four metal homebuilts underway ) Winston-Salem, NC ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:34:30 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Early KR stuff Message-ID: <000401c3f794$c1bfaa50$ac64a8c0@homedesktop> In-Reply-To: <001801c3f74e$34f30f40$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 22 >>This is a lot like a trip back in time, and I thought the rest of you >>might enjoy it as well: http://users.erols.com/donreid/sportaviation/kr_SA.htm Thank you - a nostalgic trip it was, particularly reading Ken's obit - I still remember the event, but I never knew what happened. I always thought that he had an accident doing a movie shoot (the KR acting the part of a "drone"?) Terminology Problem: >From Don Reid's collection: (An early article on the KR1) I was under the impression that Ken used polyU foam - like the open cell product that my wife uses for flower arrangements - comes in green or brown and can also be made by mixing two parts of liquid. This article talks of polystyrene foam - to me that is a white (or blue) closed cell foam that can be hot-wire cut and does not like polyester resin - very popular with radio control model fliers. Please put me straight - maybe someone knows of an archive article or other source if more info on the different foams and their respective pro's and con's. Take care - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:20:14 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> Taxi tests Message-ID: <000001c3f795$7a2d9020$75a0fea9@johnjane> References: <000501c3f6bd$b131d230$3264a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 23 ..................Is it practical or even sensible (during taxi trails) to accelerate > until you can get the tail up and run like that for a few seconds? Guys With the Corvair (and I guess the bigger VW) engine you can easily lift the tail whilst standing stationary on the brakes but the instant you release brake pressure the prop torque will take you uncontrollably to the right due to lack of rudder effectiveness. When you do your high speed taxi tests don't lift the tail too early and don't apply or reduce power rapidly. Also watch out for crosswinds from the right that compound the problem. I reckon mucking around just on flying speed whilst still on the ground is the most dangerous time in a tail dragger. I wrote off my prop doing just that. Get through that critical phase as quick as you can, get airborne, go through the mandatory pitch oscillation experience then relax a bit. Finally pucker up as aptly described by Larry for the landing. After a few cycles of this it gets rapidly easier and highly enjoyable. Ya just gotta deCessna-ise ya attitude. John Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:58:12 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: , "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Training Wheel Message-ID: <000a01c3f798$0e36ade0$ac64a8c0@homedesktop> In-Reply-To: <000701c3f790$9ce599f0$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 24 Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia (pilot) Orleans, France (aircraft) Hi Serge Where are you? I noted you're a/c reg was South African, so I hoped that we were sort of neighbours - then I saw your address as in Tunisia. Your recent post refers to SA (if they had been available in South Africa). So we have a Californian design, built in SA, living in France and flown by a Tunisian - probably with a German Motor. Steve J Lusaka,Zambia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:34:57 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>First Flight - Training or Pilot or Both Message-ID: <021401c3f7b6$555ccec0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 25 I need some support to get off the ground. I am looking for someone = with KR-2 experience who will either perform the first flight on my KR-2 = Tri-gear or provide me with some small amount of duel, not necessarily = as PIC, but in the right seat just to get accustomed to the sensitivity = of the controls and the visual attitude and perhaps the stall/slow = flight feel. I am located in southwestern Ohio. Last November, I = purchased a completed, certificated KR-2 (N5834) and am in the process = of going over it and correcting anything I can find suspect. This will = be followed by a weight and balance check & a condition inspection by an = A&P in my EAA Chapter. I expect to have this completed before the end = of March, hopefully sooner. I have had the A/W certificate reissued = allowing 50 nm radius flight testing (40 hrs.) out of KHAO, within Ohio. = This plane is powered by an A65 with a 58 in. 3 blade Warp Drive. = Pitch is TBD but I will initially set it at 18 degrees which equates to = a pitch of about 60. =20 I have about 16 hours in Grumman trainers but that was 28 years ago so I = think I need a refresher in short airplanes. Most of my recent = experience has been in Sundowners and a Comanche with a little time in a = 172 and Cherokee. I am willing to travel to get some flight time in a KR-2. =20 Thanks in advance. My particulars, if you want to contact me off net, = are: Kenneth B. Jones 11713 Bedivere Court Sharonville, OH 45241-5914 Phone: 513-604-3273 Email: kenbjones@cinci.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 317, Issue 1 *************************************