From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:13 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 319, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Dual Facet Pumps (larry flesner) 2. un-subscribe 3. Re: Dual Facet Pumps (Martindale Family) 4. Re: Dual Facet Pumps (Martindale Family) 5. Both wing tanks on same fuel line (Dan Heath) 6. Re: Both wing tanks on same fuel line (Mark Jones) 7. Re: Both wing tanks on same fuel line (Orma Robbins) 8. Re: Hardware list (Mark Jones) 9. old photos (alphabravo pilot) 10. old photos (alphabravo pilot) 11. Re: Hardware list 12. old photos (alphabravo pilot) 13. Hardware list (larry flesner) 14. Re: Hardware list (Steve and Lori McGee) 15. old photos (alphabravo pilot) 16. old photos (alphabravo pilot) 17. Bondo (sean rooney) 18. Re: old photos (gleone) 19. old photos (alphabravo pilot) 20. old photos (alphabravo pilot) 21. Re: old photos (alphabravo pilot) 22. Re: Larry's Lady reply (long) (Virgil Salisbury) 23. RE: old photos (Stephen Jacobs) 24. Re: Larry's Lady reply (long) (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 02:01:58 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Dual Facet Pumps Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040222020158.00801df0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <005501c3f8f7$ebb760a0$acc14944@ROBBINS1> References: <005001c3f8d0$b6e8c520$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <019901c3f8e2$ee8c3810$0502a8c0@office> <00a001c3f8e6$81d9b180$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 >P.S. Mark what would prevent the fuel from all running to the low wing >as in a bank, and if it did would you be able to control the aircraft >with one full wing and one empty wing. >Orma aka AviationMech +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A co-ordinated turn will go a long way in keeping the fuel where it is supposed to be. If you're in a slipping turn you will have fuel filling the line running from the high wing to the low wing. If you're in a skidding turn you will have fuel running from the low wing through the line to the high wing or at least keeping fuel at the pickup in the low wing. The Piper Cherokee line has been flying for what, fourty years with wing tanks and no header tank and I seem to recall they only draw from one tank at a time. Also, how long would it take to empty 10 gallon of fuel through a 3/8" O.D. line? Also, you don't need a 100 percent uninterrupted flow as you have a small amount of fuel in the carb. How long will your engine run if you shut off the fuel supply? I'm not talking "mixture" here but the fuel supply. I suspect my KR will run 20 or 30 seconds if I shut of the fuel lines. If all of the components of his fuel system are working Mark should never have a problem. I say that without knowing how is tanks are plumbed but I'm confident it will work. For Mark, you really should have a shutoff for each tank that is easy to access and use. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:10:56 EST From: ArmChrAce@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>un-subscribe Message-ID: <6.22e43c00.2d69be10@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 KRnet-leave@mylist.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:49:13 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Dual Facet Pumps Message-ID: <000001c3f922$77ee0e00$75a0fea9@johnjane> References: <005001c3f8d0$b6e8c520$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com><4037F0D1.000007.03916@Computer> <006c01c3f8d7$88a3d040$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Actually, if you dismantle the more recent Facets, there is a minute groove scribed into the nylon?? valve faces. I think this allows a titchy amount of fuel to drain back across the face when not in use to keep it lubricated and stop it getting stuck. Eventually they will leak backwards albeit very very slowly. The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: Re: KR>Dual Facet Pumps > Correct, they have an internal check valve which eliminates reverse > flow. The tubing is sized for AN-6 fittings which is 3/8" OD x .035" > wall. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Dual Facet Pumps > > > Mark, > > Very neat installation. I take it, that you found the same as Larry, > that they do not need a reverse flow check valve. > > What size tubing is that? > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:02:40 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Dual Facet Pumps Message-ID: <000101c3f922$796e9380$75a0fea9@johnjane> References: <005001c3f8d0$b6e8c520$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com><019901c3f8e2$ee8c3810$0502a8c0@office><00a001c3f8e6$81d9b180$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <004e01c3f8f5$3e85fbf0$acc14944@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Provided the turn is balanced, big G continues to act at right angles to the bottom of the tank thus there is no tendency for fuel to drain away from the port....different story in a slip or during acceleration/deceleration. The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma Robbins" To: ; "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: Re: KR>Dual Facet Pumps > connected by a common fuel line > > Mark if both tanks are connected by a common line and one wing is high > as in > a bank, what is to prevent the pump from sucking air from that wing > and introducing it into the common line to the carb? Orma aka > AviationMech 19 Years flying the KR-2 > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:26:20 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Both wing tanks on same fuel line Message-ID: <403891DC.000001.04044@Computer> References: <01ae01c3f8f2$003abf50$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 If this is a problem???, wouldn't it be solved by installing a check valv= e on each line before the T, to stop reverse flow? =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From flykr2s@wi.rr.com Sun Feb 22 05:47:19 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.122]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Autx1-000BHO-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 05:47:19 -0800 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-81-78.wi.rr.com [65.31.81.78]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1MDcmfe013323 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:38:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000d01c3f949$5e8047e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" References: <005001c3f8d0$b6e8c520$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <019901c3f8e2$ee8c3810$0502a8c0@office> <00a001c3f8e6$81d9b180$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <3.0.6.32.20040222020158.00801df0@pop.midwest.net> Subject: Re: KR>Dual Facet Pumps Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:40:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "larry flesner" > Also, how long would it take to empty 10 gallon of fuel through a > 3/8" O.D. line? Per Tony Bingelis, using a 3/8" OD fuel line it will take you 30 minutes to drain a 20 gallon tank to empty. > For Mark, you really should have a shutoff for each tank that is easy > to access and use. I agree and will install a shut off for each tank. It is very easily done and should have done it in the beginning. I am ordering the necessary fittings today to do this. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:44:02 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Both wing tanks on same fuel line Message-ID: <002a01c3f949$eee94660$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <01ae01c3f8f2$003abf50$0502a8c0@office> <403891DC.000001.04044@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Dan, that sounds reasonable to me but would also stop the leveling of fuel between tanks so there is a trade off there. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:26 AM Subject: KR>Both wing tanks on same fuel line If this is a problem???, wouldn't it be solved by installing a check valve on each line before the T, to stop reverse flow? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:43:59 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Both wing tanks on same fuel line Message-ID: <003501c3f949$ede34810$acc14944@ROBBINS1> References: <01ae01c3f8f2$003abf50$0502a8c0@office> <403891DC.000001.04044@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 wouldn't it be solved by installing a check valve on each line before the T, to stop reverse flow? Years ago a highly modified KR-1 based here in Michigan crashed (ground loop), while trying to take off. The two mods that caused the problem were spoilers to replace ailerons, and a interconnecting line between two wing tanks. As the plane sat on the ground between flights, the ramp was tilted and the fuel went into the low wing, causing one side of the craft to be heavy. On takeoff the heavy wing was unable to create suffient lift and caused the craft to eventually ground loop. Of course only one of these conditions exist with Marks setup. Yes, a pair of check valves would stop the cross flow. And also as it was suggested, under normal circumstances having wing tanks is perfectly OK. I have a pair of wing tanks in my KR and a pair of pumps to manage the up lift to the header. A side note is that the FAR's require a fuel gauge for each tank Of the three most popular light aircraft, the Cessna 150 series aircraft has an interconnection between the tank. and only has an on/off selector. The 172 has interconnection and has a selector which selects Off, Left, Right, and Both. On an uneven ramp, both of them will drip. The Piper products I can't remember as well, but I don't think that they have interconnection and are switched from Off, Left, and Right only. On piper products, the fuel gravity flows throuh the selector to the gasolator and from there to the electric pump. On the fuel injected engines, there is the addition of an engine driven pump in parallel. Both get gravity flow fuel from the gasolator. Orma aka AviationMech 19 Years flying the KR-2 Orma L. Robbins Orma@aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:48:11 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Hardware list Message-ID: <003901c3f94a$830bf180$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <001001c3f8ff$52f6a2b0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Steve, I have never seen such a list. I just always bought a hand full of each that was needed and that way you most likely will not be without when you need them. As your supply gets low, re-order. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: KR>Hardware list Is there a list or info page some where noting the hardware requirements (castellated nuts, pins, etc) on things such as push tubes, bell cranks, cables, etc???? Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:42:48 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>old photos Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_7e7c_122d_4e1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_7e7c_122d_4e1 Content-Type: text/html
Hi evry body
 
 I would like to pologise for all of you  about  being away , I was acctually very bussy with familly , childrens and job.....I have attached some old pics that I had to show them to you befor few monthes ago ...at the moment the project is 95% compleated .. and I hope deeply from my heart to finish evry thing during next two monthes these pics are befor wing construction.... for your information acctually befor few weeks ago we had  the world arobatic show in our country  in AL AIN city I toke some pics and I will show them to you separetlly.......best regards from
   
           AL MARZUOQI AND HARODS WOOD
 


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STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------=_NextPart_000_36d9_191e_168c-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:58:47 +0000 From: To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Hardware list Message-ID: <200402221458.i1MEwmtt028701@mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 > Is there a list or info page some where noting the hardware > requirements (castellated nuts, pins, etc) on things such as push > tubes, bell cranks, cables, etc???? > > Steve McGee > Endeavor Wi. USA > Building a KR2S widened. > lmcgee@maqs.net > Steve, I have a list of just such in an excell format. Just like the one I made for the aluminum that is posted on the archieve. It was made from plans "as plans". You would need to modify for your use. It lists each item and where it is to be used. If you would like I will send it to you direct. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, AL "Work Table Stage" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:10:04 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>old photos Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_4f85_270c_38e4" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_4f85_270c_38e4 Content-Type: text/html
 


Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------=_NextPart_000_4f85_270c_38e4-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:11:22 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Hardware list Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040222091122.008094b0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <001001c3f8ff$52f6a2b0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 >Is there a list or info page some where noting the hardware >requirements (castellated nuts, pins, etc) on things such as push tubes, bell cranks, cables, etc???? >Steve McGee ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following Wick's site is a start. I would guess this list is for the KR with retracts so some of these bolts would not be needed. Even if this list were accurate it is probably only half of what you will need. http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/page250/index.html Each time you place an order from Wick's, AS&S, etc., order extra standard hardware. You will end up with a nice hardware selection that will be available when needed and won't slow down the building process waiting for parts. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:28:07 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Hardware list Message-ID: <004101c3f958$7948ac70$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <200402221458.i1MEwmtt028701@mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 I guess I did not explain myself well enuf. I did not mean a parts list for the KR. I meant what is required (if there is a guideline) for hardware fittings on bell cranks, pushtubes, cables, etc. Regardless of the plane. So the inspector doesn't come in and say " you have to replace all these nuts with castles, those pins with bolts, ..." Thanks for the replies! Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: KR>Hardware list > > Is there a list or info page some where noting the hardware > > requirements (castellated nuts, pins, etc) on things such as push tubes, bell cranks, cables, etc???? > > > > Steve McGee > > Endeavor Wi. USA > > Building a KR2S widened. > > lmcgee@maqs.net > > > Steve, > > I have a list of just such in an excell format. Just like the one I > made for the aluminum that is posted on the archieve. It was made from plans "as plans". You would need to modify for your use. It lists each item and where it is to be used. If you would like I will send it to you direct. > > Steven Phillabaum > Auburn, AL > "Work Table Stage" > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:32:20 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>old photos Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_6cc4_3817_5e29" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_6cc4_3817_5e29 Content-Type: text/html
 


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Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:46:39 -0500 From: Virgil Salisbury To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Larry's Lady reply (long) Message-ID: <20040222.105553.3400.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 22 Or Try a Turner T-40A, Virg On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:51:49 -0600 larry flesner writes: > > Steve and Netters, > > I'll take a few minutes and try to answer some of the questions I > never got to in this earlier post. > > >I am trying to find the correct balance (of mods) for my venture - > your > >airplane seems to be in the direction that I am headed - please put > me > >straight on a few things. > >Is the 24" stretch over the 2 or 2S? > > +++++++ My stretch is over a standard KR2. All other dimentions > are > standard. > > >I note that you have Aerodynamic balance area on the elevator and > rudder > >- did you add weight as well for static balance? Did you change > the HS > >in any other way? > > +++++ The aerodynamic tabs have weight in them. The elevator also > has a weight attached inside the fuselage. I did move the elevator > and > horizontal stabilizer forward 2 inches in relation to the plans to > give me > more clearance for the elevator control horn and better > streamlining. > All size dimentions are the same. Moving the HS and elevator > forward > did give me some additional area on the vertical stabilizer which I > > wanted with the 0-200. > > >What did you do regarding the fuse width? > > ++++++ Standard KR2. A couple more inches of width would be nice. > > > >You talk of a 4" tip instead of an 8" tip - not sure what this > means but > >it does appear to be relevant to the performance? > > > ++++++++ As I recall the plans call for adding 8 inches to the end > of the standard wing when building the tip. I limited my tip to 4 > inches. > My thinking was less wing span would hurt my climb but the 0-200 > would compensate. In cruise, less span would increase my wing > loading and give me a better ride and less span would mean 2 or 3 > mph more speed. I have no way of knowing if any of this is true in > my case as I have nothing to compare it to. > > >Can you say anything encouraging about your empty weight - I tried > to > >peek through the canopy on one of the pictures - hoping to see if > the > >panel reveals lots of heavy goodies. > >If you built another - could you (would you) make it lighter? > > > +++++++++++++ The only encouraging thing I can say about my > empty weight is that it still manages to fly. You don't pick up > 200 > extra pounds in any one spot. It's 5 pounds here, 10 pounds there, > > and before you know it you have a pig on your hands. My target empty > weight was 700 pounds and I even blew right by that. My extra weight > came from things like 30" gear legs, 600X6 wheels and brakes, 0-200 > with all accessories, 5" prop extention, second small backup battery > and large main battery, a Cessna flap motor to run my speed brake, > fiberglass seat instead of a cloth seat, 12.5 gal fuel tank in each > wing with all the plumbing and two fuel > pumps, etc., etc., etc. I think you get the point. > > >Reason for asking Larry - I figured that 230lbs over the plans > weight of > >a 2S should be enough to accommodate my changes, so I targeted > 750lb > >empty with an 0-320 and some IF capability, possibly even a > training > >wheel out front. Maybe I need to learn from you that this is not > a > >realistic target > >I plan to use the 18% AS airfoil section for a deeper (stronger) > spar so > >we can get back to +6G at 1450lb MAUW). The right time to > consider > >changes to the wing area would be now. > > +++++++ If you plan on going with an 0-320 you probably need to > look at a different airplane entirely. With that much weight and > horsepower you are looking at an extensive redesign of the > KR. I'd suggest you look at something like the "Vision". > Check it out at: http://visionaircraft.com/ > > >>From your comment you are using the RAF48 - on the pics it looks > like > >you have flat plate tail feathers? > > +++++++++++ HS, elevator, VS and rudder are plans shape. > > >Do you feel the need for a header tank with the 0-200? > > > +++++++++++++ No, I have a 12.5 gal tank in each outer wing panel. > > > >I am still worried about the under carriage configuration - I have > very > >little tail dragger time - 0:35 on a Tiger Moth 27 years ago - Ok I > have > >no tail wheel time. How much tail wheel time did you have to start > with > >- what is your advice on this? > >>Kind regards > >Steve > >Zambia - Africa > > ++++++++++++++++ I had 13 hours tailwheel time over a 30 year > period when I started to taxi test the KR and teaching myself to > fly > the tailwheel. My KR has an eight foot wide main gear track and > with the fuselage extention it is probably one of the best handling > KR taildraggers going. If you don't want to learn to fly the > tailwheel > go with the nose gear. If you aren't comfortable flying the > airplane > you build it most certainly will turn out to be a "hangar queen". > > >From my 14 years exposure to the KR and having just finished > building mine and with about 10 hours of air time now I would offer > the following observation on what I think would make the "perfect" KR > for the "average" builder. It would be a KR2S, plans built, with an > engine of approx 100 hp, modest panel with one gyro instrument > (artificial horizon), 20 to 25 gal of fuel, Diehl tricycle gear or > equivelant, no sound proofing or upholstery, (use a noise cancelling > headset) a speed brake or equivelant, with an empty weight of approx > 675 pounds. > > Several builders have hinted at doing IFR work in a KR. > With just 10 hours in the air I'd say FORGET IT. I had > trouble just re-attaching my four point seat belt that > popped open in flight. I can't even imagine trying to fly > IFR in KR. The more I fly my KR the more I enjoy it but > it is strictly a FUN machine. Expect no more than that > from your KR when it's finished. > > > I hope my rambling hasn't burst anyone's bubble but I prefer to call > it like I see it and not give anyone any unrealistic expectations. I > wouldn't trade my KR for a BMW. There is great satisfaction in > seeing, touching, and flying something you've built from scratch. > Looking around at all the detail in your KR, seeing each piece that > you designed, built, and/or assembled, all flying in formation, with > your body strapped to the finished product, and the landscape > drifting by 5000 feet below you is something that few people get > to experience. All I can say is YEE HAA........................ > > Larry Flesner > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:53:30 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>old photos Message-ID: <001f01c3f964$69f781e0$b764a8c0@homedesktop> In-Reply-To: <4038CD0D.000004.04080@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 23 Have to admit she is really something, but I am not sure you should be posting pictures of a naked lady ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:04:18 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Larry's Lady reply (long) Message-ID: <0e8c01c3f966$1014e0d0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <20040222.105553.3400.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 24 Virg wrote: > Or Try a Turner T-40A, Virg OK, this one does it. I just don't understand, Virg. I have no idea what this means, or what it's about. Why is it that some people steadfastly refuse to follow the rules of this list? Every few months I beg y'all to read the "KRNetiquette" at http://www.krnet.org/info.html , but the very people I'm talking to never read it, or simply don't care if they're inconvenciencing a few hundred people. How long does it take to delete 240 lines of old text below your post? Takes me about two seconds. How long does it take 400 people to sift through 240 lines of text looking for your reply to Larry's post? Took me about 10 seconds to find your one-liner at the time, after visiting the bottom trying to find it. 10 seconds times 400 people is 67 minutes of other people's time spend trying to find something that you could have fixed in two seconds. Can you see where I'm going with this? I still don't know what you were trying to say, and at this point, I don't even care. Was I supposed to go back and read every word of Larry's post to see where your tidbit of wisdom applied? Sorry, but I'm not going to waste that kind of time. Larry spent a lot of time carefully cutting, pasting, and answering all of those posts in one concise message. I hung on every word. It was great stuff, delivered by one of the few KR pilots who will actually open up and tell us the real story. You sent a message that was every bit as big, but I didn't get a single thing out of it other than frustration. All your message is going to do is overinflate the archives. I'm sure you're a great guy Virg, but when it comes to contributing to KRnet, you're just not gettin' it. If you really want to help us out, PLEASE spend an extra few seconds and make your posts informative (not cryptic) and easy to read, not painful. Once again, PLEASE READ and at least humor us with an attempt at following the rules posted at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . If you need instructions on how to cut and paste text, email me offline and I'll do my best to teach you. Why did I post this to the net instead of sending it direct to Virg? Because it applies to a lot more folks than just him, and public humiliation is about the only thing that shows any sign of working at all! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 319, Issue 1 *************************************