From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:41 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Winner of the "Folding Wing" plans raffle (Ed Janssen) 2. Re: Fuse Facet Pump ? (Mark Jones) 3. Re: I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR (Brian G. Douglas) 4. Fuse Facet Pump ? (larry flesner) 5. Good post (larry flesner) 6. Re: Fuse Facet Pump ? (Mark Langford) 7. I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR (larry flesner) 8. Re: First flight for low time pilot (long) (Brian G. Douglas) 9. Fuse Facet Pump ? (larry flesner) 10. Re: I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR (Steve and Lori McGee) 11. Re: I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR (Brian G. Douglas) 12. Re: Fuse Facet Pump ? (Mark Jones) 13. Re: I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR (Brian G. Douglas) 14. Fuse Facet Pump ? (Mark Langford) 15. Re: Ground handling (Ray Fuenzalida) 16. Re: Hardware list (Ross Youngblood) 17. Re: Windmilling 18. Re: Fuse Facet Pump ? (Ross Youngblood) 19. Re: Murphy and Me did OK this time (Steve Glover) 20. Re: Fuse Facet Pump ? (Mark Langford) 21. RE: Wind-milling (Stephen Jacobs) 22. KRnet web links (Ross Youngblood) 23. Re: Ground handling (Martindale Family) 24. Saturday Flyin is ON (Dana Overall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:53:32 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Winner of the "Folding Wing" plans raffle Message-ID: <031601c3f9af$d79ba280$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <002001c3f976$c647fe90$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 We have a winner of the "Folding Wings" plan raffle. The official "drawer" (my wife) pulled the name of Ray Fuenzalida from the hat. Congrats, Ray. Contact RW Moore for your prize. His address is: rwmoore@alltel.net Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:05:45 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Fuse Facet Pump ? Message-ID: <013501c3f9b1$8cbb0420$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <011301c3f9a6$0b6101a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <003b01c3f9ad$76e8e9e0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" > I'm not using a fuse or a circuit breaker. In my book that's one more point > of failure. I totally agree Mark. The reason that I even asked that question is that today I had a pre flight experience. I had wired my Facets to the fuse box and was using a 1A fuse. The pump had run fine like this during previous test I did. However today, I was sitting in the cockpit with the canopy closed and began turning systems on. The gyros began winding up, all gauges came to life and I ran the auxiliary fuel pump for a while then switched to the main fuel pump and after about 30 seconds...dead silence...the pump shut off....it had blown the fuse. Now, this pre flight experience really opened my eyes as to what dead silence in the cockpit at 5000' must be like. That is when I got the Facet instructions out and carefully read them only to find no mention of including a fuse or breaker in the hook up. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:06:47 -0600 From: "Brian G. Douglas" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR Message-ID: <001d01c3f9b1$b55c2b70$c1d01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> References: <000401c3f6e4$017fe080$2b64a8c0@homedesktop><40374122.000012.03344@Computer><4037CF4F.1050107@cuug.ab.ca> <000001c3f905$119f2160$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: first-class Message: 3 Hi Netters! Well I went and ground looped my KR today, broke the gear, and the prop is MANY tooth picks ;-( I will not rebuild it to a tail drager! I know that a tail drager is faster but my low time cessna butt will now have a training wheel !! I still hope to make the fly in but after todays shaking hands with the fire dpt the meat wagon drivers and all the local airport poeple in charge....... let alone the shot to my ego. but al least other than being sore i'm OK Brian G. Douglas Killeen Texas N8575C was a TD will now be a training wheel acft PS does any body have a tri gear conversion kit for sale?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: Re: KR>I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:08:21 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Fuse Facet Pump ? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040222200821.007afe10@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <011301c3f9a6$0b6101a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 >I am curious if any of you that are running a Facet fuel pump are >fusing the positive lead? The instructions say to go direct to the ignition switch and mention nothing of a fuse. Also, if you are fusing the positive lead, what size fuse are you using? >Mark Jones (N886MJ) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm using a circuit breaker for each pump and on each of my two electrical systems. That's a total of 4 breakers and I'm using a 5 amp breaker for each pump. I have my electric primer solinoid fused with one of the primary fuel pump breakers also. With 15.9 hours on the hour meter I have yet to have a problem, i.e., trip a breaker. These pumps have a rather low current draw. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:08:43 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Good post Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040222200843.0080bbc0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <011301c3f980$2d3e3ed0$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 After a fun day with the KR, even considering the electrical problem, I came home to one of the best days on the KRnet. Lots of good post. Keep them coming. One of my all time favorites in aviation magazines was a monthly article entitled " I learned about flying from that". The easiest and safest knowledge aquired is through other people's experience (mistakes). Keep it coming!! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:15:22 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Fuse Facet Pump ? Message-ID: <001601c3f9b2$e46ab840$1202a8c0@basement> References: <011301c3f9a6$0b6101a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com><003b01c3f9ad$76e8e9e0$1202a8c0@basement> <013501c3f9b1$8cbb0420$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Mark Jones wrote: > and was using a 1A fuse. The pump had run fine like this during > previous test I did. Well, if it you decide to fuse or breaker it, the pump draws right at 1 amp, so you'll need something bigger than a 1A fuse. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:16:50 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040222201650.0080d620@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <001d01c3f9b1$b55c2b70$c1d01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> References: <000401c3f6e4$017fe080$2b64a8c0@homedesktop> <40374122.000012.03344@Computer> <4037CF4F.1050107@cuug.ab.ca> <000001c3f905$119f2160$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 > Well I went and ground looped my KR today, broke the gear, and the >prop is MANY tooth picks I still hope to make the fly in but >Brian G. Douglas +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Brian, Glad to hear you weren't hurt. Get busy on the repair so we can see the results in Mt.Vernon this September. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:24:10 -0600 From: "Brian G. Douglas" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>First flight for low time pilot (long) Message-ID: <008501c3f9b4$231c69c0$c1d01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> References: <002601c3f97c$21913050$6401a8c0@TGC2003> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: first-class Message: 8 Congrats on your first flight!! Now mine today was an other story. I will have several months of rebuild. I had intended to make today my first flight and i groun looped it broke up a lot of hard work but I will rebuild with a tri gear. I know that some oput ther will say that i shold have gotten some more training and and..... but never mind Brian Douglas Killeen Texas N8575c was a tail drager but now broken :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Geoghegan" To: "Krnet" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:43 PM Subject: KR>First flight for low time pilot (long) > Netters > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:24:18 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Fuse Facet Pump ? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040222202418.0080f5f0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <003b01c3f9ad$76e8e9e0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <011301c3f9a6$0b6101a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 >Mark Jones wrote: >>> I am curious if any of you that are running a Facet fuel pump are >>> fusing >the positive lead? << >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >I'm not using a fuse or a circuit breaker. In my book that's one more >point of failure. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark and Mark, The advantage I see in using a circuit breaker is that it will automaticlly isolate a short circuit from the rest of the electrical buss without causing a lot of smoke and/or damaged wiring or causing the entire electrical system to shut down. Go with what you're comfortable with. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:35:10 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR Message-ID: <003501c3f9b5$a8aeca50$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <000401c3f6e4$017fe080$2b64a8c0@homedesktop><40374122.000012.03344@Computer><4037CF4F.1050107@cuug.ab.ca><000001c3f905$119f2160$75a0fea9@johnjane> <001d01c3f9b1$b55c2b70$c1d01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Brian Sorry to hear of your unfortunate turn of events. I hope your ego recovers as well as you and your plane is a joy to keep working on. It could have been much worse I am sure. Since I have yet to put the gear on - posts like this make me think of putting the third wheel in front! Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:35:50 -0600 From: "Brian G. Douglas" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR Message-ID: <00c601c3f9b5$c3fadba0$c1d01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> References: <000401c3f6e4$017fe080$2b64a8c0@homedesktop> <40374122.000012.03344@Computer> <4037CF4F.1050107@cuug.ab.ca> <000001c3f905$119f2160$75a0fea9@johnjane> <3.0.6.32.20040222201650.0080d620@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: first-class Message: 11 Thanks Larry Brian PS still feel like i got hit by a tank ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: KR>I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR > > Well I went and ground looped my KR today, broke the gear, and the > > prop is > >MANY tooth picks > > I still hope to make the fly in but > >Brian G. Douglas > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= > > Brian, > > Glad to hear you weren't hurt. Get busy on the repair so we can see > the results in Mt.Vernon this September. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:42:39 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Fuse Facet Pump ? Message-ID: <016301c3f9b6$b44e4ba0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <011301c3f9a6$0b6101a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <3.0.6.32.20040222202418.0080f5f0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry flesner" > Mark and Mark, > > The advantage I see in using a circuit breaker is that it will automatically > isolate a short circuit from the rest of the electrical buss without > causing a lot of smoke and/or damaged wiring or causing the entire > electrical system to shut down. > > Go with what you're comfortable with. Larry, Mark and those who e-mailed me privately. I think either fused or unfused will work fine. Both have their pros and cons. I think since I have mine fused in a panel right now that I will go with a larger fuse and see how it works out. Now, I really like Mark L's one switch ignition system with the pumps included. My ignition system is also set up on a DPST switch which has everything connected as two independent systems except the fuel pumps. I am starting to think I need to connect the pumps direct to this switch as Mark has done. This would free up two toggle switches for other things. Hmmmmmmmm it is amazing how when you start thinking you are close to completing everything, more stuff just keeps popping up. Next month will make six years I have been building and when I started, I said it would be done in two years. Yea right. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:49:05 -0600 From: "Brian G. Douglas" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR Message-ID: <000901c3f9b7$9f6b8120$8fd01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> References: <000401c3f6e4$017fe080$2b64a8c0@homedesktop><40374122.000012.03344@Computer><4037CF4F.1050107@cuug.ab.ca><000001c3f905$119f2160$75a0fea9@johnjane><001d01c3f9b1$b55c2b70$c1d01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> <003501c3f9b5$a8aeca50$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: first-class Message: 13 Thanks Steve!! I thought that I could do it (tail wheel) This has been the second ground loop that I have done. The first was just scared the crap out of me and i went and got some more training in an aronca champ but.... I dont want to have to worry on every landing or take off. Things happened VERY fast today it only took 4 ocilations to end up on the side of the runway with two com acft ready for landing. Brian Douglas N8575C will be a Tri Gear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: KR>I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR > Brian > > Sorry to hear of your unfortunate turn of events. I hope your ego recovers > as well as you and your plane is a joy to keep working on. It could have > been much worse I am sure. > > Since I have yet to put the gear on - posts like this make me think of > putting the third wheel in front! > > Steve McGee > Endeavor Wi. USA > Building a KR2S widened. > lmcgee@maqs.net > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:12:21 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Fuse Facet Pump ? Message-ID: <000701c3f9ba$da4d2cf0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Larry wrote: > The advantage I see in using a circuit breaker is that it will automaticlly > isolate a short circuit from the rest of the electrical buss without > causing a lot of smoke and/or damaged wiring or causing the entire > electrical system to shut down. Larry, That was my point. Neither of my pump/coil systems are on the same bus as the rest of the system, or each other. Those two circuits are my "essential buses", and I have a complete set of each. There's nothing else on either system. If my EIS warns me that my voltage has dropped below whatever I set it to (lets say 12V), then the first thing I do is switch off the master and see if the problem is fixed (neither of my e-buses go through the master). If I still have a voltage problem, then I swap e-buses and see if it gets any better. The secondary system will be isolated from the alternator with a diode, so it's a complete separate system, capable of keeping me aloft for close to an hour. The wiring to each set is completely separate. I've seen what happens when a direct short fries a wire. It melts itself into whatever it's bundled with, and all kinds of things start going bad in a hurry. It wouldn't hurt to put a breaker into each system.. A big enough breaker would guarantee that it wouldn't trip unless something was almost smoking, and I guess that's good enough, so either way works. I guess that's exactly what you've got, and that'd be good enough for me too. I might still do that. One bonus of the above system is that I can hookup a relay so that when the starter is energized I get the combined cranking power of two batteries. There's a lot to all of these strategies, and I'd highly recommend Bob's Aerolectric Connection book, at http://www.aeroelectric.com/ , for those who don't have it. I'm like Dana on this one, you really need this book! Keep those pireps coming Larry!!!! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Ground handling Message-ID: <20040223032504.57538.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040222122722.027cfc88@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 Agree. I live near Stennis Airport. The runway is 10,000 feet long. I had already intended to trailer my plane (eventually) there for testing. --- larry severson wrote: > > >Just taxiing around for 1/2 an hour is just long > enough to give one a > >false sense of security in the ease of ground > handling. > > Hopefully, all of the KRNeters will read your whole > message. While I have > 14,300 hours pilot time, I plan to follow not only > the extensive taxi, slow > and fast, test time. I also plan to follow my > procedure of every airplane > that I have transitioned into, namely push the > throttle forward SLOWLY. In > spite of the fact that the KR can get airborne in > 600-900 feet, most test > runways exceed 3000 feet. Why not add a couple > hundred (thousand) feet to > the take off roll and avoid the sudden application > of torque that puts you > in the weeds? Once you are comfortable, be a hot > dog. Until then, caution > will help you avoid selling your bird during/at the > end of flight test > because you got scared once too often. > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:37:27 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Hardware list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c3f958$7948ac70$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <200402221458.i1MEwmtt028701@mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net> <004101c3f958$7948ac70$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Tony Bengellis' books are a terrific resource on that. But their is also a TAB book on Homebuilt Aircraft Construction Techniques that covers it. In general, firewall forward, use only high temp (all metal) self locking nuts. Had an A&P mention that to me after seeing me use normal self-locking nuts in the engine compartment. Also, if it rotates... it needs a cotter pin and a castellated nut. I go one further and use self locking castellated nuts. A bit more expensive, but if somehow the cotter pin comes loose... or more importantly just for peace of mind. If it vibrates a lot... (Engine accessories), you may want to safety wire it. I know that building your own airplane is "supposed" to be a do it yourself solo type project, but I can't overstate the help I recieved being a member of a local EAA chapter. You sort of pick things up through exposure through the years. On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:28:07 -0600, Steve and Lori McGee wrote: > I guess I did not explain myself well enuf. I did not mean a parts > list > for > the KR. I meant what is required (if there is a guideline) for hardware > fittings on bell cranks, pushtubes, cables, etc. Regardless of the > plane. > So the inspector doesn't come in and say " you have to replace all these > nuts with castles, those pins with bolts, ..." Thanks for the replies! > > Steve McGee > Endeavor Wi. USA > Building a KR2S widened. > lmcgee@maqs.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:44:17 -0500 From: intrepid1ac@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Windmilling Message-ID: <20040222.224423.-207969.1.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 > "Stephen Jacobs" writes: > I prefer airplane engines for one reason only - they windmill - > VW's don't, they stop dead if there is a second's interruption > in the fuel. I presume that Corvair engines also don't windmill > (if they do please let me know). Steve, why do you want the dead engine to windmill ? Didn't the CAFE folks find that a =stopped= prop was better for glide range than one windmilling ? Circa 1991, Kitplanes &/or Sport Aviation... Or, the electric in-flight-adjustable Ivoprops can be feathered which is the very best for maximum-range glides. They cost a lot less than even the first airplane-engine part that one will eventually have to buy. Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie" 1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started ( but four metal homebuilts underway ) Winston-Salem, NC ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:55:10 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet , Corvaircraft Subject: Re: KR>Fuse Facet Pump ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011301c3f9a6$0b6101a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <011301c3f9a6$0b6101a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 18 All my loads have breakers or fuses, I don't recall what amperage, will have to look it up. Keep in mind, the instructions for a Facet pump are likely to be for a car... (IMHO). On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:43:23 -0600, Mark Jones wrote: > I am curious if any of you that are running a Facet fuel pump are > fusing > the positive lead? The instructions say to go direct to the ignition > switch and mention nothing of a fuse. Also, if you are fusing the > positive lead, what size fuse are you using? > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:16:40 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Murphy and Me did OK this time Message-ID: <001d01c3f9cc$38165c60$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> References: <002001c3f982$e9947070$b764a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 RE> What engine /prop are you running? I am running a Great Plains 2180 conversion kit. it was originally built by someone else. There have been a few things I have had to change or update. Overall, it has been reliable even when I screwed up or something wasn't quite right. Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. kr02g@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:51:54 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Fuse Facet Pump ? Message-ID: <000d01c3f9b8$0985acc0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <011301c3f9a6$0b6101a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <3.0.6.32.20040222202418.0080f5f0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Larry wrote: > The advantage I see in using a circuit breaker is that it will automaticlly > isolate a short circuit from the rest of the electrical buss without > causing a lot of smoke and/or damaged wiring or causing the entire > electrical system to shut down. Larry, That was my point. Neither of my pump/coil systems are on the same bus as the rest of the system, or each other. Those two circuits are my "essential buses", and I have a complete set of each. There's nothing else on either system. If my EIS warns me that my voltage has dropped below whatever I set it to (lets say 12V), then the first thing I do is switch off the master and see if the problem is fixed (neither of my e-buses go through the master). If I still have a voltage problem, then I swap e-buses and see if it gets any better. The secondary system will be isolated from the alternator with a diode, so it's a complete separate system, capable of keeping me aloft for close to an hour. The wiring to each set is completely separate. I've seen what happens when a direct short fries a wire. It melts itself into whatever it's bundled with, and all kinds of things start going bad in a hurry. It wouldn't hurt to put a breaker into each system.. A big enough breaker would guarantee that it wouldn't trip unless something was almost smoking, and I guess that's good enough, so either way works. I guess that's exactly what you've got, and that'd be good enough for me too. I might still do that... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:48:16 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR> Wind-milling Message-ID: <000001c3f9f2$2dff6520$4964a8c0@homedesktop> In-Reply-To: <20040222.224423.-207969.1.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 21 >>>> Steve, why do you want the dead engine to windmill ? Didn't the CAFE folks find that a =stopped= prop was better for glide range than one wind milling? Hi Art - thanks for the input. You are addressing the topic of what's best after the engine quits and I think you are right, a wind milling propeller creates more drag. I am concerned about the things that make the engine go quiet in the first place. There are various causes of a temporary fuel supply interruption and we are inventing new ones all the time. Some (not many) are genuinely not our fault, most are - we are only human. The ultimate sin is forgetting to change tanks - but it happens. It happened to me in a bird just like yours, the day before I got to solo. My instructor was fascinated by some whales in Blue Water Bay (George coast, South Africa) and made me circle at 500'. As you know, the AA1 uses the tubular spars as fuel tanks and we were probably using the inside (low side) tank. This was 1976 so I don't remember if we ran the tank dry or the turn was just badly coordinated - but I do remember the sudden silence at 500', 400' 300' ..... It was a lesson in emergency procedures to see my instructor react - like lightening he changed tanks and flipped the fuel pump switch - 200'; 100' and the silence was gone. If the motor had not been wind-milling and patiently waiting for the fuel to arrive - we would have really surprised the whales that day. I can tell another one about the same idiot after going solo, getting his ticket and clocking up a few hundred hours, but I think you see why I prefer to live with the over priced, inefficient and technically outdated airplane engine. It keeps turning, NO OTHER REASON. On that topic - look into ice warning gizmo's for the carby. I have seen a few really good low cost units on the web (not for certified birds). Important not to be caught napping, particularly with a motor that does not wind-mill - the motor must still be rotating if we hope to suck in some warm air and melt the offending ice - yanking the carb heat after the motor stops turning will achieve nothing. Two lessons learnt about carb ice: = when initially applied, the motor may get really unhappy while it is drinking melted ice for a few seconds - don't think you have done something wrong and shut off the carb heat, stay with it. = Icing generally starts close to where the butterfly is. If you feel any resistance or roughness in the action of the throttle control, hit the carb ice. = If the go lever is already frozen solid, don't panic (yet). If you can live with the power setting while the ice melts - OK. Maybe you pulled it right back in a rush descent and it froze there - why would I know all about that? The weather circumstances that promote getting down fast may also be the conditions that promote icing (and keep you busy enough to forget to pull the knob). If this happens, rap the control with the palm of your hand (friction nut off) with increasingly more force. Get onto it fast and the ice will probably be light (weak) enough for the butterfly to break loose when you rap it just right. Again, the motor will get really unhappy with a mouth full broken ice - stay with it. If it stops wind-milling, hit the starter and start looking for a place to set down. Don't worry about rapping it hard enough to break something if a forced landing is on the cards anyway. Think about this when designing and fitting the engine controls, fortunately Piper did and I am here to talk about it. Have a great week Steve J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:05:18 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KRnet web links Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 22 Went through a couple of my old web links tonight, and thought these might be interesting to those new to the KR-net list. http://n541ry.us/KRmaintest2.html -- Test shockwave movie for KRnet http://n541ry.us/TimePasses.html -- How long it can take to build an airplane. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:02:46 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Ground handling Message-ID: <00b701c3f9fc$a80cecc0$75a0fea9@johnjane> References: <011301c3f980$2d3e3ed0$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 23 I am sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with the theories presented that are saying if you get it up go fly, meaning the tail....... Colin That is NOT what I or anyone else to my knowledge has said!! I shall be interested to hear the results of your KR experiences and whether your current high hour CFI tailwheel instructional techniques in other aircraft remain appropriate in due course. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:32:12 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Saturday Flyin is ON Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 24 The Saturday Flyin is ON. I’ll be at the hangar by 8AM. I’ll have the Hooters wings and the local EAA chapter has asked if they can serve burgers, chips and drinks. My cell number is listed below. It appears the entire east coast will be sitting under a large high-pressure area from western MO east. Furthermore it appears this high will extend to the Great Lakes and Florida. Mother nature seems to have lent a helping hand. Weather for Saturday is expected to be 64 degrees, 0% chance of precip, winds out of the south at 9. No weather two days either side of Saturday. As I mentioned in a prior post, all activities will occur at the airport, i39, Madison Co. Airport, Richmond, KY. As a reference, it is about 20 miles south of Lexington, KY. Vendors of which I have either received giveaways from or have received strong assurances from are as follows: I would certainly encourage all to remember this gang. Control Vision: free total AnyWhere Map software package Trioavionics: $200 discount coupon on the purchase of an EZ Autopilot Avery: A box of various tools and such Kitlog Pro: Paul has donated a Kitlog software package. Van’s: Two starter kits, shirt, hat. Grand Rapids: 10% off coupon on the purchase of an EIS engine system. Riteangle AOA: $50 off coupon on the purchase of a new angle of attack unit Aircraftextras.com Brian Kraut’s post light system. I would also encourage anyone having anything to sell, to bring it along. Stick your name on it and lay it on the table. This will be the total honesty system. Everyone chip in and make sure nothing leaves via someone’s pocket, I sure would like to see all my tools, dies, Dynon, etc. be left behind as I need them just as much as the next guy:-). I only mention this as someone once pocketed a handheld out of a cockpit at a national gathering. I hate to even mention it but there it is. TeamRV is planning on performing their Oshkosh routine along with some just fun formation flying. A formation flight from the Ohio Valley RVators has issued a challenge on TeamRV’s website about a competition. A nice little back and forth is going on right now:-). I have received an email from a member of The Falcon RV Squadron and am awaiting a confirmation. I have also heard from several pilots who are offering free RV rides to potential builders and builders. Direction via car: Off I-75, take exit 77 (KY route 595) and turn west. Go about 200 yards and make a right between the BP Station and the Shell Station. Go exactly 2.0 miles and make a right onto Madison County Airport Road. The airport road will take you directly to my hangar. Via air: Anyone flying in, be sure and check the NOTAMs as there is restricted airspace on the east side of I-75 for the army depot. For you newbies; I have turned the Van’s starter kits into pre-punched condition. If you want to work with some aluminum, please feel free to do so. There will many experienced builders here to show you some pointers. You will be able to deburr, dimple with squeezer and C-frame, back rivet, buck, pneumatic squeeze, hand squeeze, roll a rudder front, and install nutplates. There will also be composite pilots here and I will bring along some West System and glass. My first airplane was plastic so give a shout. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 cell 859 625-2844 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 *************************************