From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:18 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 321, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Larry's Lady reply (long) (Virgil Salisbury) 2. Re: KR - Larry's Lady reply (even longer ) (Virgil Salisbury) 3. fuel line tubing (Jack Cooper) 4. Re: ground loops (joe) 5. Re: Silent Flight (joe) 6. Re: Windmilling (Wayne Israelsen) 7. Re: fuel line tubing (Mark Jones) 8. Re: fuel line tubing (Dan Heath) 9. Re: fuel line tubing/ Flexible (Phillip Matheson) 10. Lowering the compression ratio is as easy as buying twenty bucks worth of barrel shims (Dan Heath) 11. Re: ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger (Dan Heath) 12. Re: ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger (joe) 13. Re: Lowering the compression ratio is as easy as buying twenty bucksworth of barrel shims (Mark Langford) 14. Re: Lowering the compression ratio is as EASY as buying twenty bucks worth of barrel shims (Dan Heath) 15. New arrival (It's a tri gear!) (Michael Geoghegan) 16. learned to fly a KR (larry flesner) 17. New arrival (It's a tri gear!) (larry flesner) 18. New arrival (larry flesner) 19. retract tri gear (Dan Walker) 20. Re: retract tri gear (Barry Kruyssen) 21. Re: retract tri gear (joe) 22. RE: retract tri gear 23. RE: New arrival (Michael Geoghegan) 24. Re: retract tri gear - Conversion to fixed (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:11:27 -0500 From: Virgil Salisbury To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Larry's Lady reply (long) Message-ID: <20040223.161021.3028.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:04:18 -0600 "Mark Langford" writes: > Virg wrote: > > > Or Try a Turner T-40A, Virg > > O K Ole virg stepped in it again. Now for the LOONG answer. > Many are trying to make the K R what it could not possibly be!!!! If you want a wood airplane to take the HUMONGUS engine then YOU look for the plans that will handle same. THE K R WILL NOT, NOT DO IT1111 accept it for what it is only. Do not make more than cosmetic changes, or Design your own!!Knowing of the Turner T-40 and T-40A, it MAY handle the power you specify. O K Back to the FACT mode and concise answers.Virgil N. Salisbury 5445 S.W. 89th Place Miami, Fl 33165 305-271-3608 STANDING TALL AS USUAL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:46:28 -0500 From: Virgil Salisbury To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR - Larry's Lady reply (even longer ) Message-ID: <20040223.161021.3028.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 O K Guys. I have seen that ALL engines with wood props will stop. If you want it to windmill, put on a metal prop. Pointing a plane with a wood prop straight down MAY get it to windmill, Virg Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:29:40 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>fuel line tubing Message-ID: <410-220042123212940421@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 What is the best aluminum tube for fuel line? Is 3003-0 ok? Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.From kr2cooper@earthlink.net Mon Feb 23 13:52:30 2004 Received: from razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.248]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AvO06-000DN6-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:52:30 -0800 Received: from user-0c8hkru.cable.mindspring.com ([24.136.211.126] helo=earthlink.net) by razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AvNs1-0005tk-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:44:09 -0800 Message-ID: <410-220042123214415171@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2003.3.84.0 (Windows) From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>ground loops Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:44:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 43a40ff3c21252eb71639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9403d4abc233dff7d161a59ff5f6ac565a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: In over 4500 hours of flying, I have never had a ground loop (knock on wood). Of course most of my flying was in aircraft equipped with training wheels or skids. Maybe the industry went to tricycle gear for a reason. If my tri-gear saves months of rebuilding or even the embarrassment of loosing control, I'll take all the ribbing you real pilots in the tail draggers can dish out. BTY, I really like the looks of a KR on the ground in a level position. Just a kid having fun on a tricycle. Jack cooper > [Original Message] > From: Harold Woods > To: > Date: 2/23/2004 2:06:47 PM > Subject: KR>ground loops > > Hi Netters. > There seems to be a fear out there of ground loops. Perhaps the > following will make my point. A friend had a Stits Playboy. A low wing > 2 seater with a Lycoming 0290 G engine and NO BREAKS. > I saw him land long on a short runway which terminated in a dirt field > beyond which was a low ditch. > The ditch was deep enough to be a real problem. He ran off the end of the > runway and ground looped.There was a great cloud of dust, he went around 2 > or 3 times and just taxied back. I asked him what had happened. > His reply was that he could not stop so he stomped on the left rudder and > kept the stick back. This turned out to be his standard emergency stopping > method. The Playboy had a wide landing geer. (a tail dragger). > Eventually he put breaks on it. I flew it a lot. One day I was flying it in > the spring on a slushy runway, It persisted in turning left even with > full right rudder.( It had developed a flat tire on the left.) Rather > than run off the left side of the runway into a landing light , I > followed his example. Stick back , full left rudder. It was quite an > experience. No damage, no problem . I would not like to try > that in any high winged plane. > So if you ever get into a ground loop in your KR, KEEP THE STICK BACK, (and > good luck) > Harold Woods > Orillia,ON > Canada. > haroldwoods@rogers.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:52:52 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>ground loops Message-ID: <000b01c3fa57$63840100$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <004c01c3fa40$6343e230$1a997018@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 enough instructional time in a KCAB or piper super at a qualified flight school will endow u with enough confidence to then proceed with the HS taxi tests for a inexperienced or out of practice KR'r. I learned in a c140 and after a lot of trike time grabbed an instructor and purposely practiced crosswinds, remember without crosswind practice, u r again flipping the dice. Found a world of difference between tail draggin x-wind and not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Woods" To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: KR>ground loops > Hi Netters. > There seems to be a fear out there of ground loops. Perhaps the > following will make my point. A friend had a Stits Playboy. A low wing > 2 seater with a Lycoming 0290 G engine and NO BREAKS. > I saw him land long on a short runway which terminated in a dirt field > beyond which was a low ditch. > The ditch was deep enough to be a real problem. He ran off the end of the > runway and ground looped.There was a great cloud of dust, he went around 2 > or 3 times and just taxied back. I asked him what had happened. > His reply was that he could not stop so he stomped on the left rudder and > kept the stick back. This turned out to be his standard emergency stopping > method. The Playboy had a wide landing geer. (a tail dragger). > Eventually he put breaks on it. I flew it a lot. One day I was flying it in > the spring on a slushy runway, It persisted in turning left even with > full right rudder.( It had developed a flat tire on the left.) Rather > than run off the left side of the runway into a landing light , I > followed his example. Stick back , full left rudder. It was quite an > experience. No damage, no problem . I would not like to try > that in any high winged plane. > So if you ever get into a ground loop in your KR, KEEP THE STICK BACK, (and > good luck) > Harold Woods > Orillia,ON > Canada. > haroldwoods@rogers.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:57:52 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Silent Flight Message-ID: <001301c3fa58$15c4f040$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <000001c3fa45$012e8820$8464a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Had a comanche driver friend who told me he always runs 1 tank dry before switching tanks. Asked him if he ever considered what to do if the crossfeed didn't work at the switch. He replied that he didn't.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: KR>Silent Flight > >>>> Idiot runs tank dry. Quick switch of tanks, hit fuel boost, > engine sounds much better, wife didn't even realize it happened, asked > why I moved so fast all of a sudden. > > > Hey Russ - consider yourself fortunate. Same scenario here except I > also had the Director of the DCA (CAA) snoozing in the back of my > Cherokee 6. When that 9 liter, 300 hp mill quit delivering, there was > no doubt in anyone's mind. > > My good lady was not as gracious. > > Tailwinds > Steve J > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:06:04 -0800 From: "Wayne Israelsen" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> Windmilling Message-ID: <00e301c3fa61$9cd3be00$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> References: <76.3823c6bf.2d6b8816@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 This is a great Idea, it took me a long time to learn to ride motocross on a four stroke. They stall easy and you can't bump start. After watching the whole gate pass by and having to play catchup, I learned to pull the compresion release lever If there is half a turn left in the wheel the engine will start when you let go of the lever. Robert, how would you make this work? I assume a control rod which actuates some type of cam on each of the exhaust valves. Could it be adapted to other engines (CorvairCraft)? Thanks Wayne Murrieta Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: Re: KR> Windmilling > To All: > > Want to make your veedub air-startable? Install a compression > release. > > Fuel on, ignition on, pull the big red knob, put the nose down, wait > for the > prop to spin-up then release the red knob. > > This ultra high tech option consists of a set of fingers that are > cammed down > against the retainers of the exhaust valves. The fingers are fitted > to a shaft installed in the valve gallery of the cylinder heads, the > shaft is connected to a lever, the levers are actuated by a > pull-cable. SOP for motorgliders. > > This isn't anything new. I developed such a modification some years > ago for > the long-wing KR but Ken Rand and Mira Slovak were the only people who showed > any interest. Previously discussed (with more detail) on the AirVW > Group. > > -R.S.Hoover > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:17:50 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>fuel line tubing Message-ID: <006e01c3fa63$42479680$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <410-220042123212940421@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 3/8" OD x .035 wall thickness. The best tubing is 5052-0 aluminum. However, 1100-0 and 3003-0 are acceptable since they are soft, east to flare and bend. 6061-T6 and 2024-T3 are both too stiff to bend and flare without the possibility of splitting. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:29 PM Subject: KR>fuel line tubing > What is the best aluminum tube for fuel line? Is 3003-0 ok? > > > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink._______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:21:52 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>fuel line tubing Message-ID: <403A8B10.000001.02860@Computer> References: <410-220042123212940421@earthlink.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Wicks catalog says 5052 =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: kr2cooper@earthlink.net; KRnet=0D Date: Monday, February 23, 2004 4:29:42 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: KR>fuel line tubing=0D =0D What is the best aluminum tube for fuel line? Is 3003-0 ok?=0D =0D =0D Jack Cooper=0D kr2cooper@earthlink.net=0D Why Wait? Move to EarthLink._______________________________________=0D to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html=0D =2EFrom matheson@dodo.com.au Mon Feb 23 17:43:57 2004 Received: from relay01.kbs.net.au ([203.220.32.149]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AvRc4-000GbR-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:43:57 -0800 Received: from [203.220.150.245] (helo=StationW2k04) by relay01.kbs.net.au with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1AvRTw-0005za-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:35:33 +1100 Message-ID: <004001c3fa76$95720b70$f596dccb@StationW2k04> From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" References: <410-220042123214415171@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: KR>ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:36:10 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Jack wrote BTY, I really like the looks of a KR on the ground in a level position. Just a kid having fun on a tricycle. ___________________ Must agree, I think the Tri gear looks much better than the tail dragger, thats why I'm building one, not because it's more difficult to taxi. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:40:16 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>fuel line tubing/ Flexible Message-ID: <005101c3fa77$28093490$f596dccb@StationW2k04> References: <410-220042123212940421@earthlink.net> <006e01c3fa63$42479680$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Why use a solid fuel tube? Flexible fuel line has been around for a long time, if fitted correctly and safely, it will not crack and does not need flaring. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:39:54 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Lowering the compression ratio is as easy as buying twenty bucks worth of barrel shims Message-ID: <403AAB6A.000003.03544@Computer> References: <20040223181412.53435.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 Don't believe it. Remember, change one thing, change something else. That goes for increasing the compression ratio also.=0D =0D Yes, you will lower the compression ratio, but, as soon as you adjust the height of the head, you have to make longer , or shorter, push rods becau= se it really messes up the geometry of the rocker arms. =0D =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:43:30 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger Message-ID: <403AAC42.000005.03544@Computer> References: <004001c3fa76$95720b70$f596dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 WOW, I have never heard such testimony for the beauty of the tri-gear KR.= I guess that really proves that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. =0D =0D I for one, love the looks of a well built KR, no matter what plane it sit= s on.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:35:53 PM=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: Re: KR>ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger=0D =0D Jack wrote=0D BTY, I really like the looks of a KR on the ground in a level=0D position.=0D Just a kid having fun on a tricycle.=0D ___________________=0D =0D Must agree, I think the Tri gear looks much better than the tail dragger,= =0D thats why I'm building one, not because it's more difficult to taxi.=0D =0D =0D =0D Phillip Matheson=0D matheson@dodo.com.au=0D Australia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:00:36 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger Message-ID: <001901c3fa7a$02f0de80$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <004001c3fa76$95720b70$f596dccb@StationW2k04> <403AAC42.000005.03544@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Let's hear it for Dan. I think we all feel the same way down deep. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: Re: KR>ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger WOW, I have never heard such testimony for the beauty of the tri-gear KR. I guess that really proves that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I for one, love the looks of a well built KR, no matter what plane it sits on. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:35:53 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger Jack wrote BTY, I really like the looks of a KR on the ground in a level position. Just a kid having fun on a tricycle. ___________________ Must agree, I think the Tri gear looks much better than the tail dragger, thats why I'm building one, not because it's more difficult to taxi. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:31:56 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Lowering the compression ratio is as easy as buying twenty bucksworth of barrel shims Message-ID: <004e01c3fa7e$5f6a4850$1202a8c0@basement> References: <20040223181412.53435.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> <403AAB6A.000003.03544@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Dan Heath wrote: > Yes, you will lower the compression ratio, but, as soon as you adjust > the height of the head, you have to make longer , or shorter, push > rods because > it really messes up the geometry of the rocker arms. OK, Dan. To me it's easy, but to the rest of you guys, it's probably not. Yep, it may very well change the pushrod length. That's easy enough to fix by making new pushrods, but I realize life's too short for that sort of thing for the average KR builder. Rocker arm geometry is something that should also be checked at assembly, no matter what kind of engine you're building, and no matter how many modifications you've made. This is detailed at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/valve_geometry.html , and yes, it actually takes time and effort. There are a lot more details on Corvair engine building itself at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/trial_assy.html , but I wouldn't expect any KR builders to waste their time reading it. Some people are just meant to slap engines together and go flying, and that's fine with me. Personally, I want to know exactly what's going on in mine in terms of compression, compression ratio, valve geometry, mixture distribution, head and exhaust temp on all six cylinders, etc. Sorry I brought it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:12:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Lowering the compression ratio is as EASY as buying twenty bucks worth of barrel shims Message-ID: <403AC111.00000C.03544@Computer> References: <004e01c3fa7e$5f6a4850$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 RE: Sorry I brought it. =0D =0D I am glad you did. It is very important and you are right, most people do= n't pay attention to such things. I had to learn the hard way. What I learned= is that I would really rather buy an engine from Steve as building the plane= is enough and after having been there and done that, many times, I am glad t= hat I have one all ready to go, I hope.=0D =0D I just wanted to put "EASY" in perspective.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:24:22 -0500 From: "Michael Geoghegan" To: "Krnet" Subject: KR>New arrival (It's a tri gear!) Message-ID: <006a01c3fa85$b28bb300$6401a8c0@TGC2003> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Mark just posted some photos of my KR2. They are at http://www.krnet.org/krs/n47mg/ . As I mentioned in my post a few days ago I converted my tail dragger to a tri gear so I could fly it. Guess what, it worked. I can fly it and I'm happy I made the change. Instead of trying to get a tail wheel endorsement or tail wheel time I am up in N47MG. I actually think it looks better on the tri gear setup. Pictures of before and after are posted. Let the debate continue. Mike Geoghegan Moretown Vermont N47MG humidors@gmavt.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:09:27 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>learned to fly a KR Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040223220927.00810550@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040223093907.027d2f88@pop-server.socal.rr.com> References: <001d01c3f9b1$b55c2b70$c1d01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> <000401c3f6e4$017fe080$2b64a8c0@homedesktop> <40374122.000012.03344@Computer> <4037CF4F.1050107@cuug.ab.ca> <000001c3f905$119f2160$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 > >I will make at least 10 HS taxi runs, plus the recommended 50 foot hop, >even though I am a relatively high time pilot. >Larry Severson ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I think everyone will find their own comfort level when learning to fly the KR , whether it is a tail dragger or nose dragger. As to how much taxi time is right, you'll know it when you reach your comfort level. One should be able to accelerate and lift the tail to near level, run for at least 100 feet, and then decelerate and let the tail fall and come to a stop, feeling like they are somewhat in control the entire time. You'll know it when you feel it. As to the recommended 50' hop, I've heard that advise but I never considered doing it. When transitioning to a new airplane I'm not sure it's wise to try a takeoff and a landing all within seconds of each other. It's also amazing how fast you can eat up runway doing a short test hop. My goal on the first flight was to make a smooth takeoff, try not to go into PIO, climb out and get used to the airplane, try to relax, and then get it back down safely. To my utter amazement , the KR lifted off smoothly and climbed steady as a rock. I hardly moved the stick until it was time to make the first turn in the pattern. If you're comfortable through tail up it only takes leaving the power full in and a slight back pressure to make your first flight. Your first landing is getting it back on the runway in that same slightly tail low attitude, decelerate till the tail falls and bring it to a safe stop. The feeling you'll have after the first landing when you bring it safely to a stop and do a 180 to taxi back in is undescrible. My attitude was always "look how many people have learned to fly taildraggers before me. I know I can do it too". You have to believe you can do it before it will happen. However you go about learning to fly a KR, use good judgement. If you have any doubt about the process you've chosen, it's probably wrong. I'll share one observation that I think has helped me succeed to this point. With 2 or 3 hours of taxi test and 20+ takeoffs and landings I still can't tell you what my liftoff speed or touchdown speed is. I know what my speed is down to real short final (crossing the numbers) but anytime I'm within a wingspan of the ground I never look inside the cockpit. You know what you want the view out the window to be. Fly the airplane and make it happen. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:16:16 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>New arrival (It's a tri gear!) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040223221616.00815100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <006a01c3fa85$b28bb300$6401a8c0@TGC2003> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 I actually think it looks better on the tri gear setup. >Mike Geoghegan +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mike, Congratulations and welcome to the club. I agree with you're opinion that it looks better as a trigear. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:17:58 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>New arrival Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040223221758.008176a0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <006a01c3fa85$b28bb300$6401a8c0@TGC2003> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 Mike, I forgot to ask. You do plan on making the Gathering this September don't you? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:23:04 -0700 From: "Dan Walker" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>retract tri gear Message-ID: <000901c3fa96$477a1f50$8c4ae618@DJNVYL31> References: <006a01c3fa85$b28bb300$6401a8c0@TGC2003> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 would it be possible to make my kr into a tri gear but still leave the retracts in place or are the retracts to far forward for the cg to be right. I also ground looped my kr on a high speed taxi test but I was unfortunate to hit a runway marker light and take out my prop which I guess is better than taking out my wing. I am having second thoughts about converting to tri gear and if I can leave the mains how they are I will probally change over. Also if there is anyone that would be willing to bring me up in there KR so I could get a feel for the flight characteristics please let me know. I'm in South Dakota right now but I will be in Illinois for a week in March. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:01:32 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>retract tri gear Message-ID: <00ff01c3fa9b$ab6ba7e0$3600a8c0@T1W419b> References: <006a01c3fa85$b28bb300$6401a8c0@TGC2003> <000901c3fa96$477a1f50$8c4ae618@DJNVYL31> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 > would it be possible to make my kr into a tri gear but still leave the > retracts in place or are the retracts to far forward for the cg to be right. The retract gear is mounted to the front of the main spar for a tail dragger, while the fixed main gear is mounted to the rear of the main spar for a tri gear. This greatly affects the balance on the ground but the CofG is another story. The movement of weight by removing the tail wheel and adding the nose wheel, along with moving the main from front to back of spar will require a weights and balances check. Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:25:33 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>retract tri gear Message-ID: <001701c3fa9f$022614a0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <006a01c3fa85$b28bb300$6401a8c0@TGC2003><000901c3fa96$477a1f50$8c4ae618@DJNVYL31> <00ff01c3fa9b$ab6ba7e0$3600a8c0@T1W419b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 21 Barry, I'm fairly new at this also. Does it appear that there isn't much extra stuff in ur engine compartment or is it my imagination? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Kruyssen" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: KR>retract tri gear > > would it be possible to make my kr into a tri gear but still leave the > > retracts in place or are the retracts to far forward for the cg to be > right. > > The retract gear is mounted to the front of the main spar for a tail > dragger, > while the fixed main gear is mounted to the rear of the main spar for a tri > gear. > This greatly affects the balance on the ground but the CofG is another > story. > > The movement of weight by removing the tail wheel and adding the nose wheel, > along with moving the main from front to back of spar will require a weights > and balances check. > > Barry Kruyssen > Cairns, Australia > > kr2@BigPond.com > http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 03:51:00 -0600 From: To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>retract tri gear Message-ID: <000b01c3fabb$b5c1a120$9c03fea9@greenhome2a1> In-Reply-To: <000901c3fa96$477a1f50$8c4ae618@DJNVYL31> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 22 Dan, the $450 you promised to pay me for the canopy over a year ago never showed up yet. When can I expect it? -----Original Message----- From: krnet- On Behalf Of Dan Walker Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:23 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR>retract tri gear would it be possible to make my kr into a tri gear but still leave the retracts in place or are the retracts to far forward for the cg to be right. I also ground looped my kr on a high speed taxi test but I was unfortunate to hit a runway marker light and take out my prop which I guess is better than taking out my wing. I am having second thoughts about converting to tri gear and if I can leave the mains how they are I will probally change over. Also if there is anyone that would be willing to bring me up in there KR so I could get a feel for the flight characteristics please let me know. I'm in South Dakota right now but I will be in Illinois for a week in March. _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:59:53 -0500 From: "Michael Geoghegan" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>New arrival Message-ID: <007101c3fac5$555a2be0$6401a8c0@TGC2003> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040223221758.008176a0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 23 Larry Can't make any promises yet but I am going to try to get there. Mike Geoghegan -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+humidors=gmavt.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+humidors=gmavt.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:18 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR>New arrival Mike, I forgot to ask. You do plan on making the Gathering this September don't you? Larry Flesner _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:09:32 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>retract tri gear - Conversion to fixed Message-ID: <403B30EC.00000E.03544@Computer> References: <000901c3fa96$477a1f50$8c4ae618@DJNVYL31> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 24 Dan Walker,=0D =0D If I were in your place, and I was, I would convert it to a fixed gear us= ing the Grove type. All you have to do is take out the retract, patch the hol= es and put a small hole in the fuselage that you cover over when you fair in the gear bar. It makes a very neat installation.=0D =0D I ground looped mine also, several times, and would have suffered no dama= ge on any of those loops, had I had the right size tires on the Goodyear whe= els The only damage that I did suffer was to the wheels outside rim.=0D =0D Dump the retract, whatever you do.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 321, Issue 1 *************************************