From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:43 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 321, Issue 4 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. GAMI injectors (Ross Youngblood) 2. Re: ground loops (Ross Youngblood) 3. Re: fuel line tubing (Ross Youngblood) 4. Re: fuel line tubing (Ross Youngblood) 5. Re: learned to fly a KR (Ross Youngblood) 6. Re: learned to fly a KR (Ross Youngblood) 7. Re: Help me use that veeery long drill bit! (Ross Youngblood) 8. Re: Help me use that veeery long drill bit! (Ross Youngblood) 9. Re: Fuel line (Ross Youngblood) 10. Re: ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger (Phillip Matheson) 11. plans for sale 12. Re: New arrival (It's a tri gear!) (Phillip Matheson) 13. Re: plans for sale (Service Center Technik) 14. plans for sale 15. Re: plans for sale (Service Center Technik) 16. Re: Fuel line (Dan Heath) 17. Re: Lowering the compression ratio is as easy as buying twenty bucksworth of barrel shims (Joseph H Horton) 18. Re: Help me use that veeery long drill bit! (Steve and Lori McGee) 19. Re: GAMI injectors (Ron Eason) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:49:05 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: KR>GAMI injectors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Steve, I agree with your endorsement of GAMI injectors. The flying club Mooney Turbo 231 6 cylinder got them at a cost of 1K per injector ($6000). And you could cruise at 170Kts at altitude at around 9gph after leaning. However, I don't know if another $4,000 for a 4 cyl KR engine is really worth the cost. If I had 4K to throw around I'd be halfway to a Garmin GPS/COM radio. I think that is a better investment. On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:52:09 -0500, Wood, Sidney M. wrote: > For fuel injected VW's check out www.vw-engines.com > Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 > Mechanicsville, MD > sidney.wood@titan.com > > The rationale behind the engine thing is that I am hooked on GAMI > nozzles, I had them in my PA32 and want them in any airplane I ever > own. The choice of engine is thus the smallest aircraft engine that is > fuel injected - no other reason. Steve J > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:53:39 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>ground loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c3fa40$6343e230$1a997018@HAROLD> References: <004c01c3fa40$6343e230$1a997018@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2 That is great advice. I have a hard time visualizing a ground loop in any tailwheel aircraft. I guess I want to picture what the aircraft is doing, and other than the tail wanting to be in front, I don't quite have a good image of the manauver. This would be somthing that somone should post some mpg movies of on a website. Groundloop examples... So we can see whats going on. I've flown Champs,140s a small bit (only 18 hrs), and although I respect the tailwheel, I haven't gotten enough experience to have a good feel for whats going on with the ground loop. I like the stick back advice. That seems to be the general rule when flying any tailwheel aircraft in the paved or dirt environment. Execpt for the possibility of the wheel landing part of flight, where pushing the stick forward is uncomfortable to do. -- Signed Tailwheel Porpise King Ross On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:08:12 -0500, Harold Woods wrote: > Hi Netters. > There seems to be a fear out there of ground loops. Perhaps the > following will make my point. A friend had a Stits Playboy. A low wing > 2 seater with a Lycoming 0290 G engine and NO BREAKS. > I saw him land long on a short runway which terminated in a dirt field > beyond which was a low ditch. > The ditch was deep enough to be a real problem. He ran off the end of the > runway and ground looped.There was a great cloud of dust, he went around > 2 > or 3 times and just taxied back. I asked him what had happened. > His reply was that he could not stop so he stomped on the left rudder and > kept the stick back. This turned out to be his standard emergency > stopping > method. The Playboy had a wide landing geer. (a tail dragger). > Eventually he put breaks on it. I flew it a lot. One day I was flying > it in > the spring on a slushy runway, It persisted in turning left even with > full > right rudder.( It had developed a flat tire on the left.) Rather than run > off the left side of the runway into a landing light , I followed his > example. Stick back , full left rudder. > It was quite an experience. No damage, no problem . I would not like to > try > that in any high winged plane. > So if you ever get into a ground loop in your KR, KEEP THE STICK BACK, > (and > good luck) > Harold Woods > Orillia,ON > Canada. > haroldwoods@rogers.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:58:24 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet , KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>fuel line tubing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-220042123212940421@earthlink.net> References: <410-220042123212940421@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3 IMHO, the flex stuff that ACS (Aircraft Spruce) sells worked well for me. I used 1/4" tubing from the wings to the fuel selector, and 3/8 from there on and from the header gravity feed tank. I think 3/8" is probably overkill for the VW. 3/8" is used on the BIG Lycomings which consume much more fuel... so although I keep thinking 3/8" would have been better for the entire system, I suspect it is a bit heavier than necessary. On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:29:40 -0500, Jack Cooper wrote: > What is the best aluminum tube for fuel line? Is 3003-0 ok? > > > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink._______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:58:24 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet , KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>fuel line tubing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-220042123212940421@earthlink.net> References: <410-220042123212940421@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 4 IMHO, the flex stuff that ACS (Aircraft Spruce) sells worked well for me. I used 1/4" tubing from the wings to the fuel selector, and 3/8 from there on and from the header gravity feed tank. I think 3/8" is probably overkill for the VW. 3/8" is used on the BIG Lycomings which consume much more fuel... so although I keep thinking 3/8" would have been better for the entire system, I suspect it is a bit heavier than necessary. On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:29:40 -0500, Jack Cooper wrote: > What is the best aluminum tube for fuel line? Is 3003-0 ok? > > > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink._______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:02:40 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: Orma Robbins , KRnet , KRnet Subject: Re: KR>learned to fly a KR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006401c3face$8a3ee310$acc14944@ROBBINS1> References: <001d01c3f9b1$b55c2b70$c1d01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> <000401c3f6e4$017fe080$2b64a8c0@homedesktop> <40374122.000012.03344@Computer><4037CF4F.1050107@cuug.ab.ca> <000001c3f905$119f2160$75a0fea9@johnjane> <3.0.6.32.20040223220927.00810550@pop.midwest.net> <006401c3face$8a3ee310$acc14944@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Orma, That was a great KRnet post! I always like the posts that put me into the airplane and make me think "what would I do". Helps me continue the fight to complete the plane! -- Ross On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:05:46 -0500, Orma Robbins wrote: > Hi Net > In reference to "the recommended 50 foot hop" My first flight in my > KR happened as a result of attempting to perform a 3rd tail up tail > down transition on the same run. I only had a total of 60 hours and > that included 43 to get my private in C150's, and no tail time. I had > been practicing high speeds for several days and never counted the > hours, probobly near 10. On this occasion I accelerated and lifted > the tail, which happens within seconds. In fact you push the throttle > adjust your track down the centerline, adjust rudder pressure for P > factor and lift the tail. > By that time you will have rudder authority. On the third attempt I had > forgotten to cut the power and the KR popped of the ground. In a flash > the > thought passed that if I were going to crash land this craft, that at > least > I was going to fly it first. That was my first flight. Like Larry and > all > before him and all before me, I was scared to say the least. The KR > being > faater in the pattern then I was used to, went around and was ready to > land > before I was. My CFI later told me that I should have left the pattern > and > practiced some slow flight so that I could see what kind of desent rate > the > craft had.. Any way as I attempted to land I found that my idle was too > high and although it would tach at 800 on the ground, in the air on > desent > the idle would not go below 1200. My plan was for a wheel landing thus > my > approach and flair was shallow. The KR just kept going and going and > would > not settle to the runway, was flying in gournd effect at 1200 rpm. Near > the > end of the 10,000 foot runway I cut the engine and the KR finally > settled to > the ground. As far as the great debate as to Can you or can you not be > a > low time pilot or no tail time pilot and master the KR, I'm sure it can > be > done. Remember it only takes 10 hours to Solo in the first place. At > lease > for me, others take from 10 to 50 or more. One other point that I would > make is that I have flown one other Tail dragger and that was a Cessna > 205 > Bird Dog dressed in Air Force war paint. Most other Tail draggers have a > longer arm (Tail) then the KR and handle entirely different, except that > the > tail up tail down transition is the same. That I think is the most > useful > information you would get from flying another TD and I feel is the key > to a > safe landing. You keep the tail up until it won't fly any more then you > pull the stick back and taxi. In a tri gear, you don't land on the nose > gear anyway, after touch down you push the nose over only after the > airspeed bleeds off a little. In the KR first you flair and land, and > except for full stall landings, you stay on the mains let the speed bleed > off and then pull back. > Orma L. Robbins > Orma@aviation-mechanics.com > aka AviationMech > 19 Years flying the KR-2 > 20 this August > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:02:40 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: Orma Robbins , KRnet , KRnet Subject: Re: KR>learned to fly a KR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006401c3face$8a3ee310$acc14944@ROBBINS1> References: <001d01c3f9b1$b55c2b70$c1d01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> <000401c3f6e4$017fe080$2b64a8c0@homedesktop> <40374122.000012.03344@Computer><4037CF4F.1050107@cuug.ab.ca> <000001c3f905$119f2160$75a0fea9@johnjane> <3.0.6.32.20040223220927.00810550@pop.midwest.net> <006401c3face$8a3ee310$acc14944@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Orma, That was a great KRnet post! I always like the posts that put me into the airplane and make me think "what would I do". Helps me continue the fight to complete the plane! -- Ross On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:05:46 -0500, Orma Robbins wrote: > Hi Net > In reference to "the recommended 50 foot hop" My first flight in my > KR happened as a result of attempting to perform a 3rd tail up tail > down transition on the same run. I only had a total of 60 hours and > that included 43 to get my private in C150's, and no tail time. I had > been practicing high speeds for several days and never counted the > hours, probobly near 10. On this occasion I accelerated and lifted > the tail, which happens within seconds. In fact you push the throttle > adjust your track down the centerline, adjust rudder pressure for P > factor and lift the tail. > By that time you will have rudder authority. On the third attempt I had > forgotten to cut the power and the KR popped of the ground. In a flash > the > thought passed that if I were going to crash land this craft, that at > least > I was going to fly it first. That was my first flight. Like Larry and > all > before him and all before me, I was scared to say the least. The KR > being > faater in the pattern then I was used to, went around and was ready to > land > before I was. My CFI later told me that I should have left the pattern > and > practiced some slow flight so that I could see what kind of desent rate > the > craft had.. Any way as I attempted to land I found that my idle was too > high and although it would tach at 800 on the ground, in the air on > desent > the idle would not go below 1200. My plan was for a wheel landing thus > my > approach and flair was shallow. The KR just kept going and going and > would > not settle to the runway, was flying in gournd effect at 1200 rpm. Near > the > end of the 10,000 foot runway I cut the engine and the KR finally > settled to > the ground. As far as the great debate as to Can you or can you not be > a > low time pilot or no tail time pilot and master the KR, I'm sure it can > be > done. Remember it only takes 10 hours to Solo in the first place. At > lease > for me, others take from 10 to 50 or more. One other point that I would > make is that I have flown one other Tail dragger and that was a Cessna > 205 > Bird Dog dressed in Air Force war paint. Most other Tail draggers have a > longer arm (Tail) then the KR and handle entirely different, except that > the > tail up tail down transition is the same. That I think is the most > useful > information you would get from flying another TD and I feel is the key > to a > safe landing. You keep the tail up until it won't fly any more then you > pull the stick back and taxi. In a tri gear, you don't land on the nose > gear anyway, after touch down you push the nose over only after the > airspeed bleeds off a little. In the KR first you flair and land, and > except for full stall landings, you stay on the mains let the speed bleed > off and then pull back. > Orma L. Robbins > Orma@aviation-mechanics.com > aka AviationMech > 19 Years flying the KR-2 > 20 this August > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:05:35 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: serge.vidal@ate-international.com, KRnet , 'KRnet' Subject: Re: KR>Help me use that veeery long drill bit! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c3fad7$51aeaae0$2c0101c0@ate.com> References: <000501c3fad7$51aeaae0$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Serge. This sounds like a reasonable idea to me. You might wish to inspect with the boroscope along the way... it would be bad to find that you were off, and started to veer into the spar towards the end (remote chance I assume). But who knows what the spar taper looks like, each builder may do it slightly differently. On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:08:38 +0100, Serge F. Vidal wrote: > I have an impressive drill bit in my office. Diameter is 8mm (that is > 0.32"), and length is... 2100 mm! (Yep, that is 82.7"!). Was made > specially for my KR2. Understand why? > > The idea is: I am preparing to get inspected by the French > authorities. > The > French law makes no provision for an imported homebuilt, so I had to > persuade them that there would be no difference with a new project. They > agreed to give it a try, provided I find a way to make my spars > inspectable. > > So, the proposed solution, as suggested by our Austrian builder > (Christan Kogelmann), is to drill a hole along the spars, right in the > middle of the spar spacers, and inspect with a borescope. > > Now, for those who didn't follow the story, I am now living in > Tunisia, > and > my poor KR is in France. So, I will have to take that drill bit along > with > me when I go there. What is the airline going to say about that, I > wonder... > > Anyway, the critical thing is to drill those holes very straight, > especially > in the aft spar. > > My intentions are: > 1 - Make two wooden drill jigs (wood blocks with a hole through them), > one > for the front spar and one for the aft spar, matching the spars side > section; > 2 - With wings removed, clamp the jig between the WAFs > 3 - Starting with a short drill bit, slowly drill through the first > spacers; > 4 - Take the long drill bit, then finish the job. > > Since I cannot see the aircraft, I checked the construction manual to > find > the dimensions of the spars side section. When I add the spars dimensions > and the plywood, What I get is: > > OUTER WING FWD > Caps Ply Total > H 7.28" (184.9mm) > W 2.031" (51.6mm) > > OUTER WING AFT > > H 4.03" (102.5mm) > W 1.03" (26.2mm) > > Could somebody check these dimensions for me? > > > > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > Tunis, Tunisia > E-mail: serge.vidal@ate-international.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:05:35 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: serge.vidal@ate-international.com, KRnet , 'KRnet' Subject: Re: KR>Help me use that veeery long drill bit! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c3fad7$51aeaae0$2c0101c0@ate.com> References: <000501c3fad7$51aeaae0$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Serge. This sounds like a reasonable idea to me. You might wish to inspect with the boroscope along the way... it would be bad to find that you were off, and started to veer into the spar towards the end (remote chance I assume). But who knows what the spar taper looks like, each builder may do it slightly differently. On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:08:38 +0100, Serge F. Vidal wrote: > I have an impressive drill bit in my office. Diameter is 8mm (that is > 0.32"), and length is... 2100 mm! (Yep, that is 82.7"!). Was made > specially for my KR2. Understand why? > > The idea is: I am preparing to get inspected by the French > authorities. > The > French law makes no provision for an imported homebuilt, so I had to > persuade them that there would be no difference with a new project. They > agreed to give it a try, provided I find a way to make my spars > inspectable. > > So, the proposed solution, as suggested by our Austrian builder > (Christan Kogelmann), is to drill a hole along the spars, right in the > middle of the spar spacers, and inspect with a borescope. > > Now, for those who didn't follow the story, I am now living in > Tunisia, > and > my poor KR is in France. So, I will have to take that drill bit along > with > me when I go there. What is the airline going to say about that, I > wonder... > > Anyway, the critical thing is to drill those holes very straight, > especially > in the aft spar. > > My intentions are: > 1 - Make two wooden drill jigs (wood blocks with a hole through them), > one > for the front spar and one for the aft spar, matching the spars side > section; > 2 - With wings removed, clamp the jig between the WAFs > 3 - Starting with a short drill bit, slowly drill through the first > spacers; > 4 - Take the long drill bit, then finish the job. > > Since I cannot see the aircraft, I checked the construction manual to > find > the dimensions of the spars side section. When I add the spars dimensions > and the plywood, What I get is: > > OUTER WING FWD > Caps Ply Total > H 7.28" (184.9mm) > W 2.031" (51.6mm) > > OUTER WING AFT > > H 4.03" (102.5mm) > W 1.03" (26.2mm) > > Could somebody check these dimensions for me? > > > > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > Tunis, Tunisia > E-mail: serge.vidal@ate-international.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:07:21 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Fuel line Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c3fae6$8f685f70$b1535643@srauto> References: <000a01c3fae6$8f685f70$b1535643@srauto> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Two reasons against auto fuel line... 1) Heavy 2) May not be as robust with respect to vibration as aluminum. (Things I recall from Tony Bengelis' books but the brittle may be with respect to copper line not steel). On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:57:45 -0500, sean rooney wrote: > Why not use plain automotive steel fuel line, it is strong and > workable > and available. > Sean:) > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:10:31 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>ground loops/ Tri v tail dragger Message-ID: <000f01c3fb23$05580eb0$4d96dccb@StationW2k04> References: <004001c3fa76$95720b70$f596dccb@StationW2k04><403AAC42.000005.03544@Computer> <001901c3fa7a$02f0de80$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Let's hear it for Dan. I think we all feel the same way down deep. --------- That's Very True, just because I like the tri gear, does not mean to say I dislike the trail dragger. It is a very beautiful aircraft. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: "" To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: Subject: KR>plans for sale Message-ID: <20040224221843.9FDB6299D8@xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 kr2s plans and Jeorge toths tri gear plans included .$200.00 (936)854-2644 Ask for Bob Allso have aicraft mahogany 4x8 sheet ply sides cut to fit.and firewall ply not cut $200.00 one corvair 102 hp taking apart cleaned ready for conversion. $150.00 _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:22:25 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>New arrival (It's a tri gear!) Message-ID: <001f01c3fb24$aed190f0$4d96dccb@StationW2k04> References: <006a01c3fa85$b28bb300$6401a8c0@TGC2003> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Michael. It looks a completely different aircraft. Beautiful !! !! Question: I got Diehl Tri gear on my KR2 and the nose gear is completely different shape to yours. My gear does not have as large "S" bend ( somewhat straighter) and I would think does not extend as far forward. It is only 12 months old. Dan replaced my glass nose leg for me. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:21:52 +0100 From: "Service Center Technik" To: bobby_whisenant1@excite.com, KRnet Subject: Re: KR>plans for sale Message-ID: <403BDC90.27402.271DC360@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 Sehr geehrte T-Online Kundin, sehr geehrter T-Online Kunde, Ihre Anfrage pr=FCfen wir schnellstm=F6glich und melden uns danach wieder = bei Ihnen. Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Ihr T-Online Service Center Technik PS: Viele Informationen rund um die M=F6glichkeiten von T-Online erhalten = Sie im Servicebereich unter http://www.t-online.de/service. Im Kundencenter unter http://www.t-online.= de/kundencenter k=F6nnen Sie online schnell und bequem den Tarif wechseln, Ihr Zugangskennwort =E4ndern, Ihre Rechnungsdaten einsehen und vieles mehr= . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:28:12 -0500 (EST) From: "" To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: Subject: KR>plans for sale Message-ID: <20040224222812.F0324299E1@xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 kr2s plans and Jeorge toths tri gear plans included .$200.00 (936)854-2644 Ask for Bob Allso have aicraft mahogany 4x8 sheet ply sides cut to fit.and firewall ply not cut $200.00 one corvair 102 hp taking apart cleaned ready for conversion. $150.00 _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:31:09 +0100 From: "Service Center Technik" To: bobby_whisenant1@excite.com, KRnet Subject: Re: KR>plans for sale Message-ID: <403BDEBD.4265.272644AF@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Sehr geehrte T-Online Kundin, sehr geehrter T-Online Kunde, Ihre Anfrage pr=FCfen wir schnellstm=F6glich und melden uns danach wieder = bei Ihnen. Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Ihr T-Online Service Center Technik PS: Viele Informationen rund um die M=F6glichkeiten von T-Online erhalten = Sie im Servicebereich unter http://www.t-online.de/service. Im Kundencenter unter http://www.t-online.= de/kundencenter k=F6nnen Sie online schnell und bequem den Tarif wechseln, Ihr Zugangskennwort =E4ndern, Ihre Rechnungsdaten einsehen und vieles mehr= . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:29:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Fuel line Message-ID: <403BD056.000009.03472@Computer> References: <000a01c3fae6$8f685f70$b1535643@srauto> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 and heavy. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:57:04 AM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>Fuel line=0D =0D Why not use plain automotive steel fuel line, it is strong and workable a= nd available.=0D Sean:)=0D _______________________________________=0D to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html=0D =2EFrom DanRH@alltel.net Tue Feb 24 14:48:39 2004 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AvlLz-00026T-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:48:39 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.90.161]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20040224223300.FEWD4486.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:33:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <403BCFED.000007.03472@Computer> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:27:57 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <15f.2c0ddc4f.2d6cca06@wmconnect.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Lowering the compression ratio is as EASY as buying twentybucks worth... Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Ray,=0D =0D My first engine was an 1835. About 135mph. I upgraded it to a 1915 and didn't see much improvement in speed. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:39:21 AM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>Lowering the compression ratio is as EASY as buying twentybucks worth...=0D =0D I agree with you, Dan. I bought a VW 1835. It wasn't what was=0D reccommended for the KR2S, but it will work and give me many hours of flying---then I=0D can up-date at a later date. By the way, I got the engine for a very good= =0D price. Right now I'm involved in building a canopy( quite a job) and I do= n't=0D want to add any more new things to do. Ray Goree Arlington, Tx=0D _______________________________________=0D to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html=0D =2EFrom Orma@aviation-mechanics.com Tue Feb 24 15:04:56 2004 Received: from host203.com ([203.194.159.243]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Avlbk-0002Z5-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:04:56 -0800 Received: (qmail 31806 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 22:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ROBBINS1) (68.73.193.172) by host203.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 22:57:28 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c3fb29$6ca85d30$acc14944@ROBBINS1> From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" References: <004c01c3fa40$6343e230$1a997018@HAROLD> Subject: Re: KR>ground loops Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:56:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orma Robbins , KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: pushing the stick forward is uncomfortable to do Hi Ross. >From what I hear on the Net and my own experience with my KR, it is >possible with the engine at full power, to lift the tail and balance the KR using prop wash over the elevator for control. This same balance is the dynamic that takes place after a wheel landing, except that as you slow down it takes more and more forward stick to keep the tail up. Eventually the tail is too heavy and falls at this point holding aft stick keeps the tail pinned to the runway. I must admit that on one occasion the wind changed abruptly and my KR went over onto a brand new prop. I could have cried. I did learn not to play the balance game where I would sit and see how long I could hold it up without letting it drop. I still lift the tail as an indicator of the power the engine is producing as part of my pre departure check. Orma L. Robbins Orma@aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:00:28 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Lowering the compression ratio is as easy as buying twenty bucksworth of barrel shims Message-ID: <20040224.180028.-477173.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 > > it really messes up the geometry of the rocker arms. > > OK, Dan. To me it's easy, but to the rest of you guys, it's > probably not. > Yep, it may very well change the pushrod length. That's easy enough > to fix > by making new pushrods, but I realize life's too short for that sort > of > thing for the average KR builder. Rocker arm geometry is something > that > should also be checked at assembly, no matter what kind of engine > you're > building, and no matter how many modifications you've made. This is > detailed at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/valve_geometry.html , > and yes, it actually takes time and effort. There are a lot more > details on > Corvair engine building itself at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/trial_assy.html , but I > wouldn't > expect any KR builders to waste their time reading it. > > Some people are just meant to slap engines together and go flying, > and > that's fine with me. Personally, I want to know exactly what's > going on in > mine in terms of compression, compression ratio, valve geometry, > mixture > distribution, head and exhaust temp on all six cylinders, etc. > > Sorry I brought it. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > I'm with Mark here for sure. I had my engine nearly all assembled last year. I started checking the valve geometry and ended up not being very happy with it even with roller rockers. I ended up having push rods made and satisfied that I have done everything I could to extend the engine life. Mark I'm greatful for the energy you put into providing that information. I think it is a must read. Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:20:40 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Help me use that veeery long drill bit! Message-ID: <004201c3fb2c$d1928880$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <000501c3fad7$51aeaae0$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Serge - why not use a shorter bit and do it from each end? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:08 AM Subject: KR>Help me use that veeery long drill bit! > I have an impressive drill bit in my office. Diameter is 8mm (that is > 0.32"), and length is... 2100 mm! (Yep, that is 82.7"!). Was made specially > for my KR2. Understand why? > > The idea is: I am preparing to get inspected by the French > authorities. The > French law makes no provision for an imported homebuilt, so I had to > persuade them that there would be no difference with a new project. > They agreed to give it a try, provided I find a way to make my spars inspectable. > > So, the proposed solution, as suggested by our Austrian builder > (Christan Kogelmann), is to drill a hole along the spars, right in the > middle of the spar spacers, and inspect with a borescope. > > Now, for those who didn't follow the story, I am now living in > Tunisia, and > my poor KR is in France. So, I will have to take that drill bit along > with me when I go there. What is the airline going to say about that, > I wonder... > > Anyway, the critical thing is to drill those holes very straight, especially > in the aft spar. > > My intentions are: > 1 - Make two wooden drill jigs (wood blocks with a hole through them), > one for the front spar and one for the aft spar, matching the spars > side section; 2 - With wings removed, clamp the jig between the WAFs > 3 - Starting with a short drill bit, slowly drill through the first spacers; > 4 - Take the long drill bit, then finish the job. > > Since I cannot see the aircraft, I checked the construction manual to > find the dimensions of the spars side section. When I add the spars > dimensions and the plywood, What I get is: > > OUTER WING FWD > Caps Ply Total > H 7.28" (184.9mm) > W 2.031" (51.6mm) > > OUTER WING AFT > > H 4.03" (102.5mm) > W 1.03" (26.2mm) > > Could somebody check these dimensions for me? > > > > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > Tunis, Tunisia > E-mail: serge.vidal@ate-international.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:37:07 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>GAMI injectors Message-ID: <00ed01c3fb2f$1daa2370$6501a8c0@Administration> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 I am injecting a VW turbo, it can be done for less cost than $4000.00. Mine was $2500.00. Try Autronic at http://www.autronic.com/ [this is the manufacture. I am using]. More info at: http://www.kinsler.com/ http://www.fuelairspark.com/ http://www.lnengineering.com/ http://www.jandssafeguard.com/ http://www.sdsefi.com/ KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: KR>GAMI injectors > Steve, > I agree with your endorsement of GAMI injectors. The flying club > Mooney Turbo 231 6 cylinder got them at a cost of 1K per injector > ($6000). And you could cruise at 170Kts at altitude at around 9gph > after leaning. > > However, I don't know if another $4,000 for a 4 cyl KR engine is > really worth the cost. If I had 4K to throw around I'd be halfway to > a Garmin GPS/COM radio. I think that is a better investment. > > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:52:09 -0500, Wood, Sidney M. > wrote: > > > For fuel injected VW's check out www.vw-engines.com > > Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 > > Mechanicsville, MD > > sidney.wood@titan.com > > > > The rationale behind the engine thing is that I am hooked on GAMI > > nozzles, I had them in my PA32 and want them in any airplane I ever > > own. The choice of engine is thus the smallest aircraft engine that > > is fuel injected - no other reason. Steve J ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 321, Issue 4 *************************************