From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:06 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 324, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Brian Kraut's post lights. (Dana Overall) 2. NEED PROP HUB & FACEPLATE! 3. Pictures/Wicks (Mike Turner) 4. Re: re:tail dragger ground handling (colin & dan) (Dan Heath) 5. Re: The KR-2 in Realtime (Dan Heath) 6. Re: Flight Characteristics - Longitudinal Stability 7. Re: Flight Characteristics - Longitudinal Stability (joe) 8. Re: KR-2 Engine Choices (larry severson) 9. RE: Ross Site (Ross Evans) 10. Re: The KR-2 in Realtime (Virgil Salisbury) 11. Re: Wheel landing vs 3 point (Brian Kraut) 12. Re: The KR-2 in Realtime (Mark Langford) 13. Re: KR-2 Engine Choices (Orma Robbins) 14. Re: The KR-2 in Realtime (Ron Eason) 15. Re: Ross Site (Phillip Matheson) 16. Re: Air speed of KR2 (Phillip Matheson) 17. new email (Brian Kraut) 18. Flight Characteristics 19. Re: FLY-IN? (John & Elaine Roffey) 20. Re: WIRING 21. 3 Point (Colin & Bev Rainey) 22. Re: KR-2 Engine Choices (Dave Jeltema) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:24:51 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Brian Kraut's post lights. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Gang, since it's not Friday and we can talk about someone elses products...............I just got a set of Brian's post lights. Forget about swivel lights, LEDs, those ball lights I posted about........Brian has got the ticket. These things are professionally built, professionally documented and last 100,000 hours. Brian was good enough to send me, what I think is about a $125.00 system, as a door prize Saturday. That is not why I am saying what I said. For those who don't know me, I have no problem speaking my mind. These things will be in my airplane!! (not these exact one's, I've got to give them away:-( Check them out at www.engalt.com under aviation products. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:29:10 EST From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>NEED PROP HUB & FACEPLATE! Message-ID: <1d6.1ae9af52.2d6fbf26@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Hey netters... I need a hub and faceplate. my engine is a Revmaster 2100, and my prop is a standard 4" bolt pattern Prinze. Please let me hear from you if you can help! Thanks...Sherman Spartanburg, S.C. (864)-585-3327 OR (864)-949-9736 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:15:14 -0600 From: "Mike Turner" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>Pictures/Wicks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 I picked some stuff up at wicks and talked to Scott Wick today. He said = Wicks is putting their new catalog together and is in need of some = pictures of projects and builders for their cover. This is a good chance = to promote the KRs. Pictures can be sent by e-mail to their web site.=20 Mike Turner Spin the prop, light the fire, dance among the stars............N428CMFrom DanRH@alltel.net Thu Feb 26 14:28:11 2004 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AwTzH-000JzC-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:28:11 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.90.161]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20040226221957.QFPO4136.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:19:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <403E7116.000003.03328@Computer> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:20:06 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>KR-2 Engine Choices X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sid,=0D =0D Do yourself a favor. Go with the "plug and chug". A 2180 from Steve is on= e of the best engines you can put on a KR2. If it were a 2S, then maybe, bu= t I wouldn't change out that gear for anything. You will probably use up all that extra power pulling around the extra weight. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:26:31 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>re:tail dragger ground handling (colin & dan) Message-ID: <403E7297.000005.03328@Computer> References: <403E13DF.2030604@usfamily.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 That is great. I hope you come to the gathering. I would love to see yo= ur plane. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:43:30 AM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>re:tail dragger ground handling (colin & dan)=0D =0D From: "Colin & Bev Rainey"=0D =0D Joel,=0D Please pay close attention to the information provided by the pilots who = =3D=0D have been flying KRs. They all agree that wheel landing the KR is =3D=0D virtually the only safe way to land this airplane due to the way it =3D=0D behaves, aerodynamics of this design etc... You will probably have to =3D= =0D consider changing your home airfield if things are that tight, or choose = =3D=0D a more suitable aircraft that has better STOL performance=0D =0D =0D Dan Heath wrote=0D =0D Are you flying a KR now? If not, and you are planning on always doing 3=0D point, I think you better re-plan. If you have a short field, I think you= =0D need to plan on a belly board, but don't plan on 3 point in a KR. =3D0D=0D =0D =0D Thanks Colin and Dan, all of my tail dragger time is in my kr2s.=0D I for one have no problem doing three pointers all day long. As I said before you must be on your toes or as one post said have happy feet.=0D My KR may be more stable than most, I cant say but it lands fine on 3 pts= =2E=0D =0D As far as changing fields due to length, Colin if my instructor thought I could not land safely on a short field he would not have signed me off af= ter perfect 3 pointers on a short field.=0D Btw by landing 3 pt I am able to stop the kr in less than half the length= of my short field.=0D =0D Thanks again=0D Joel=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ---= ---=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________=0D to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html=0D =2EFrom DanRH@alltel.net Thu Feb 26 14:40:37 2004 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AwUBJ-000KEl-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:40:37 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.90.161]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20040226223224.QMHS4136.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:32:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <403E7401.000007.03328@Computer> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:32:33 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E971746017D6110@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Flight Characteristics - Longitudinal Stability X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Fire the inspector, report him to the FAA and don't do anything to your plane to make it unsafe.=0D =0D If an inspector that had no time in a KR and who I didn't know asked, insisted, to fly my plane, I would tell him to take a hike.=0D =0D We have an experienced RV conventional gear pilot giving RV lessons to a high time F-16 pilot and it took him a little while to get used to it. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:39:06 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>The KR-2 in Realtime Message-ID: <403E758A.000009.03328@Computer> References: <005601c3fc72$2cc6e750$acc14944@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 RE: My only wish is that we could get Mother Jeanette occasionally speak.= =0D =0D I'm with you. We all miss out and she is missing the most. We are her fam= ily and if she would just once participate with us, I know that it would enri= ch her life, not to mention what it would do for the KR and the netters who = don t know her. She is a fine person and I have a real hard time figuring out why she won't communicate with us.=0D =0D Maybe she will be at the gathering this year and we can gang up on her. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:39:25 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Flight Characteristics - Longitudinal Stability Message-ID: <1d0.1aa7ef75.2d6fcf9d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Might ask the inspector for his log book to see if he has been previously checked out in KR. Probably illegal for him to fly it without being checked out in it first. John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:07:55 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Flight Characteristics - Longitudinal Stability Message-ID: <001701c3fcbd$5e868ac0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E971746017D6110@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> <403E7401.000007.03328@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 I got the impression this flight was done outside the US. Which could explain the diversity the inspector had. I could be wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: Re: KR>Flight Characteristics - Longitudinal Stability Fire the inspector, report him to the FAA and don't do anything to your plane to make it unsafe. If an inspector that had no time in a KR and who I didn't know asked, insisted, to fly my plane, I would tell him to take a hike. We have an experienced RV conventional gear pilot giving RV lessons to a high time F-16 pilot and it took him a little while to get used to it. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:12:39 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>KR-2 Engine Choices Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040226150615.00b4c480@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 >My first question: Is an extra 25 hp worth an extra $9,000? Why would you do it? Reasons: operate out of a high altitude airport. want to climb fast don't care about fuel costs have too much money want to delay getting into the air >Second: Is an estimated extra 91 pounds empty weight on a KR-2 >realistic? If you do not care to carry any passengers, or do not mind much higher stall and landings speeds, no problem. >About 90 percent of this will be forward of the main spar and ahead of >the >firewall. You definitely will not be tail heavy, but you will need to consider a redesign of the engine mount to keep behind the forward limit. >Third: How will the taller gear effect ground handling and flight >characteristics? Ground visibility will be worse and handling should be more tender. Flight should not be impacted, other than more drag. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:28:40 +1000 From: "Ross Evans" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>Ross Site Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_5032_5d31_2f50" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_5032_5d31_2f50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed hi Dan it is www.saaa.com try getting on to www.ninemsn.com.au and use the search engine it might help! Here is a photo! cheers Ross >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "krnet@mylist.net" >Subject: KR>Ross Site >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 05:41:33 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > >Ross, > >I tried your site, but could not get to it. > >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >DanRH@KR-Builder.org > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ You could be a genius! Find out by taking the IQ Test 2003. $5.50 (incl GST). Click here http://sites.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/testaustralia/ ------=_NextPart_000_5032_5d31_2f50-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:26:09 -0500 From: Virgil Salisbury To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>The KR-2 in Realtime Message-ID: <20040226.182803.676.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Short answer "GRANDMA", Long answer, during thee past years, the grandchildren have come first. She funded the wing skins, saw that plans were available, parts suppliers kept up with supply and Lost Ken Brock, her main supplier. Nor bad on a not quite part time business. Send her a Thank You card for keeping the KR alive for us, Virg huff puff On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:39:06 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > RE: My only wish is that we could get Mother Jeanette occasionally > speak. > > I'm with you. We all miss out and she is missing the most. We are > her family > and if she would just once participate with us, I know that it would > enrich > her life, not to mention what it would do for the KR and the netters > who don > t know her. She is a fine person and I have a real hard time > figuring out > why she won't communicate with us. > > Maybe she will be at the gathering this year and we can gang up on > her. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:33:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Wheel landing vs 3 point Message-ID: <31910120.1077838399578.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 I don't agree that a wheel landing is the only safe way to land a KR. I di= d about a hundred three point landings in my KR before I even learned how t= o do a wheel landing. You do need to keep in mind that you don't do a "normal" three point landin= g in a KR. In something like a Citabria you do a three poing landing and y= ou keep the stick back and the tailwheel on the ground. In a KR you have t= o push the stick forward and get the tail back up as soon as the mains touc= h or you will bounce very nose high. This is different and takes some gett= ing used to, but it is easy and safe once you get the hang of it. The big advantage of doing a three point in a KR is that you will be touchi= ng the ground at about 40MPH or less. When you do a wheel landing you will= be at more like 70 and you will be much more likely to get into trouble qu= ickly if things go wrong, it will take a lot longer to stop, and it is a lo= t easier to ground loop. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that wheel landings are less safe. = I am just saying that three point landings are not unsafe. I recommend le= arning both and using whichever is best at the time. When you have a short= runway a three point is better. On a grass strip three points are very ea= sy and you will rarely bounce. When you are heavier than normal a wheel la= nding is better. One caution on wheel landings that I learned the hard way. You need to kee= p the speed up, particularly when you are heavy and have a more aft C.G. A= s you get slower on final you tend to increase your angle of attack. Landi= ng near stall speed in a three point configuration is one thing. Landing o= n the mains at a higher speed with the tailwheel still a foot or two high i= s something entirely different. If you try to wheel land too slow your the= inertia of the weight behind the mains will keep the tail coming down as s= oon as the mains touch. The sudden increase of angle of attack from the ta= il coming down combined with the much higher than stall speed and the groun= d effect will REALLY make you bounce in a very high angle of attack conditi= on. It is easy to push the stick forward and prevent a bounce in a three p= oint landing. Pushing the stick forward the right amount at the right time= in a botched too slow wheel landing is not easy at all.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Colin & Bev Rainey Sent: Feb 26, 2004 3:53 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR>Wheel landing vs 3 point Joel, Please pay close attention to the information provided by the pilots who ha= ve been flying KRs. They all agree that wheel landing the KR is virtually = the only safe way to land this airplane due to the way it behaves, aerodyna= mics of this design etc... You will probably have to consider changing your= home airfield if things are that tight, or choose a more suitable aircraft= that has better STOL performance if you want to get in and out of that sho= rt of a field. Just as a reference, Cessna recommends that you calculate t= he takeoff and landing performance numbers from published information and t= hen add another 50% as a safety margin for maximum safety. Most of the com= mentary about high speed taxi testing have been directed towards builder pi= lots preparing for their first flights. I feel it would be prudent, though= not required to have a runway at least double what you think you will need= , if possible triple for those first few flights. Even if the airplane can= perform within the minimum standards I doubt the pilot can until he become= s familiar with his "beast". I fully intend to high speed test mine, as w= ell as the take off hops, maintaining ground effect. I will let everyone k= now what I think of the process during and after I have done so. Soon as t= he rain stops, we are off to the airport with N96TA! =20 Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html_____________________________________= __ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:35:31 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>The KR-2 in Realtime Message-ID: <002f01c3fcc1$3d723b50$1202a8c0@basement> References: <005601c3fc72$2cc6e750$acc14944@ROBBINS1> <403E758A.000009.03328@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 > RE: My only wish is that we could get Mother Jeanette occasionally > speak. > > I'm with you. We all miss out and she is missing the most. We are her family > and if she would just once participate with us, I know that it would enrich > her life, not to mention what it would do for the KR and the netters > who don > t know her. She is a fine person and I have a real hard time figuring > out why she won't communicate with us. I talked to her last week, and she said she planned to get a computer soon and get an email address. But she said that a couple of years ago too... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:26:45 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>KR-2 Engine Choices Message-ID: <00a701c3fcd0$c4376e30$acc14944@ROBBINS1> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Hi Stan: Knowing this net you will get lots of help with your decision. From my prospective, First, you must consider the construction of you firewall, will it take the extra. Second, the Type 4 is already heaver then the type 1/3 and by the time you add all the extra weight of the rear-drive and fuel pumps, I'll bet you have a total engine installation of over 300 pounds. You must also consider that the nose gear is also forward CG. All of the stuff you plan for the panel is also fwd CG. The basic KR was designed to fly 180 and have a useful load of 400 pounds. You probably already know that. Personally if I could up my HP to 100 and leave everything else as is , it still would not be worth that many extra bucks. If you can afford the price and want the extra power, why not consider going with the O-200 or Corviar. Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:36:31 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>The KR-2 in Realtime Message-ID: <00a001c3fcd2$207b2960$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <005601c3fc72$2cc6e750$acc14944@ROBBINS1><403E758A.000009.03328@Computer> <002f01c3fcc1$3d723b50$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 It would be nice to get her a computer, maybe a notebook or something. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: Re: KR>The KR-2 in Realtime > > RE: My only wish is that we could get Mother Jeanette occasionally speak. > > > > I'm with you. We all miss out and she is missing the most. We are > > her > family > > and if she would just once participate with us, I know that it would > enrich > > her life, not to mention what it would do for the KR and the netters > > who > don > > t know her. She is a fine person and I have a real hard time > > figuring out > > why she won't communicate with us. > > I talked to her last week, and she said she planned to get a computer > soon and get an email address. But she said that a couple of years > ago too... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:45:38 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Ross Site Message-ID: <001501c3fcd3$6765ce10$3996dccb@StationW2k04> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Try SAAA site below for Rosses KR2 http://www.saaa.com/ or direct http://www.saaa.com/chapter/fifteen/current_month/Newsletter.htm Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:06:18 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Air speed of KR2 Message-ID: <00b201c3fcd6$4a40afa0$3996dccb@StationW2k04> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Hi All I have been to supply some info on KR airspeed As I as yet do not have my kR finished, I was hoping for some comments Please _____ What would you envisage the speed of a KR2 with the RG TT 2000 I know you are not familiar with the EFI engine but they do fit 0-200 in them which would be simular in comparison. The wing is different from a KR2S So how fast will a KR2 go with an 0-200? Could you find out for me Phillip please. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:03:30 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" To: Subject: KR>new email Message-ID: <200402262203.AA103940354@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 Netters, I am changing my personal email address from engalt@earthlink.net to brian.kraut@engalt.com. My old address will be active until my Earthlink subscription runs out which should be sometime soon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:57:15 -0500 From: To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Flight Characteristics Message-ID: <20040227025717.PNAU7091.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Mr. Monday; Single-engine land. If he is a private pilot he can fly a KR. Whether or not the insurance company likes the fact that he is flying a KR is a different issue. RV ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:32:30 -0500 From: "John & Elaine Roffey" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>FLY-IN? Message-ID: <007d01c3fce2$553a5300$18d779a5@default> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 19 Hi Dave, I'm another KR builder here in Michigan. Some years ago, there was a group of builders in the Toledo area who = put on a nice Gathering at the Toledo Metcalf airport. It was there that I decided to pesue the KR as a project of choise = after getting a close look at Marty Roberts and Bobby Muses' planes. I started my plane in 97 and progress has been slow and spotty but = continues on. Video Bob Vermullen and another builder in the Grand Rapids area and I = have gotten together in the past and had a nice time taking KRs. I'm always up for a visit or a fly in for that matter so if you put = something together, I'll try to make it. John Roffey Chapter 979 Young Eagle Coordinator Fort Gratiot, MI. 48059 =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:22:44 EST From: ECLarsen81@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>WIRING Message-ID: <147.2328cf38.2d702014@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 You can get the TFFN & THHN wire in different colors through Hi-Line (Hi- Line.com) Ed Larsen Ypsi, MI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:57:49 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>3 Point Message-ID: <000c01c3fd18$28c530c0$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 21 Brian & netters, What you have described is by definition a wheel landing. A 3 point = landing is just that: 3 points of contact just above the stall speed of = the aircraft where all 3 gear contact the runway, and stay in contact. = Any landing where the mains only, make contact and then a rollout = occurs is a wheel landing. The technique you have described is a tail = low approach alittle behind the power curve or officially the area of = reverse command, where drag is increased by a higher angle of attack in = order to lower the approach speed. This is a technique used by alot of = bush pilots to get into remote areas. The problem with this technique = is 2 fold: 1) it requires higher approach power settings, meaning the = approach is relying on power so loss of engine means landing short of = the field, 2) it limits visibility and decreases control surface = effectiveness, something you and I have discussed in the past. For LOW = time pilots this technique should not be used. These techniques are = considered advanced techniques that require experience and expertise in = the aircraft to be able to fly them properly, mainly for the correct = control response when things go wrong. Getting too far behind the power = curve is dangerous in any aircraft, but especially so in aircraft like = the KR, Mooney, & Bonanza that are designed for speed. Flaps and speed = brakes help them to land slower. But Dana has stated so about the = Bonanza, I have experienced it in the Mooney, and have read about = several occurrences in the KR where a pilot gets it really slow and it = eats up all kind of altitude getting flying again from a stall. = Remember that dramatic changes in angle of attack drastically changes = the amount of lift. So if one is nose high into ground effect, and then = lowers the nose alot to get onto the mains, the descent rate will = increase substantially and if one is not close to the ground a major = bounce will occur. I would encourage LOW time pilots to start out = flying into ground effect nearly at level flight attitude, and let the = speed bleed off, and the aircraft settle gently to the runway. At the = point of contact, add slight forward pressure to "roll on" the mains, = and then continue to hold the tail up until it settles gently to the = runway by itself. The best way to become familiar with where your = example of this aircraft is getting too slow is at 3000 feet. Slow it = down, keep getting it slow, watch the speed, note the lack of control, = and pay close attention to the speed when it quits flying and you must = apply forward stick to fly again. This is your Vs1 and you must not get = too close to this speed on final, or you will probably meet the ground = alot faster then you would like to! I would recommend at least 10 mph = faster than that speed. If you have flaps then make sure you know the = difference in allowable approach speed with and without flaps. =20 Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom christian.kogelmann@aua.com Fri Feb 27 02:53:37 2004 Received: from mailaua2.aua.com ([193.154.227.28] helo=s0037928.vie.aua.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Awfcf-0002zT-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:53:37 -0800 Received: by s0037928.vie.aua.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:45:24 +0100 Message-ID: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E971746017D6111@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> From: Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR>Flight Characteristics Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:45:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Netters, thanks for your comments: -) the flight was in LOGF Austria (Europe) -) I build an will have to register the airplane in Austria under the following conditions: -) 51 percent like with the FAA -) extensive 60 page test protocols to complete -) 50 hours total test flight time -) noise certificate -) and a flight characteristics review by the local authority -) we were trying to do the flight characteristics review last Wednesday -) review went ok expect for the inspector induced ground handling problem and the longitudinal stability -) next review is scheduled in 3 months (hopefully with a different inspector) -) the inspector never flew a KR before, his taildragger experience is limited to PA18, but he did a test pilot course in the US. -) if the authority inspector flies (I am already afraid of that happening again) my airplane the Austrian government covers the insurance my experience with the KR-2S/GPAS2180 plans build + belly board -) first flight was done by another local authority inspector 1.Aug 2002 - he overran the runway, slight prop damage -) the next 5 flight hours were at an Air Force Base (12000ft runway) with a retired Air Force pilot...super experienced and very interesting to work with...using such a huge airfield is best to get to know the plane... -) the remaining time to the 37 hours were flown by a glider tow pilot at a 1900ft long tar sealed airfield. -) the glider tow pilot is also very experienced and he trained me on the KR -) as of yet I have about 10 hours and I took off, flew and landed the KR without my safety pilot interfering. -) I still have to wait for the right timing to go for my real solo.... -) the airplane is very easy and delightful however it is a handful once it is on the ground. Cheers Christian OE-VPD http://www.members.aon.at/oevpd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:57:59 -0500 From: "Dave Jeltema" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR-2 Engine Choices Message-ID: Content-Type: text/html MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 22

you could goto a threeblade prop as I am.




Thank You
Dave Jeltema
>From: "bill kirkland" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR>KR-2 Engine Choices >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:44:40 -0500 > >Sidney; With respect to (wrst) HP VS SPEED the ratio is one of cubes. eg the >cube root of 75 hp is 4.2. that of 100 hp is 4.62. The ratio is 1.1. ie if >75 hp gives 150 mph 100 hp gives 165 mph. >W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND >wkirkland@rogers.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wood, Sidney M." >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:28 PM >Subject: KR>KR-2 Engine Choices > > >KRnetters, >I am building a KR-2, converted to tri-gear from retract conventional gear. >Dan Diehl gear legs are installed. It is time for an engine. My first >choice was a 75 hp 2180 vw direct drive with electronic ignition from Steve >Bennett. Full-up price ready to bolt on, including freight and wood prop is >about $7,000. Then I came across www.vw-engines.com that were offering >three sizes of vw with fuel injection. What looked about right for my KR-2 >was a 2000 cc 100+ hp model RG 2000 with a geared redrive, fuel injection >and electronic ignition. This engine is based on a type 4 Porsche engine. >The weight with all accessories less a wood prop is 221 lbs. To effectively >use this 100+ hp I will need a 58 inch diameter by 60 inch pitch prop. That >means I need to raise the standing height another 3 inches for proper ground >clearance. That means I need to replace the Diehl gear with longer gear >from www.vw-engines.com . Also I must use a new bed-mount for the new nose >gear and redrive engine, rebuild the fuel system to accommodate low pressure >and high pressure fuel pumps, an anti-surge tank, tank selector to route >return fuel to the wing tank being used, and possibly another fuel gauge for >the anti-surge tank. The cowl will require several bumps for the fuel >rails. The price quote from Australia is $13,980 US plus freight and >customs to add about $700. Another $2,000 is estimated to do the airframe >mods. > >My first question: Is an extra 25 hp worth an extra $9,000? >Second: Is an estimated extra 91 pounds empty weight on a KR-2 realistic? >About 90 percent of this will be forward of the main spar and ahead of the >firewall. >Third: How will the taller gear effect ground handling and flight >characteristics? > >I would appreciate your help on this engine choice matter. >Regards, >Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 >Mechanicsville, MD sidney.wood@titan.com > > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html

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