From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 119 Date: 3/21/2005 9:00:16 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Parachute (Colin & Bev Rainey) 2. Parachute (Oscar Zuniga) 3. RE: LEDs (Stephen Jacobs) 4. Re: FIRST FLIGHT (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 5. Re: Parachute (larry flesner) 6. Re: Parachute (Barry Kruyssen) 7. R?f. : KR> Parachute (Serge VIDAL) 8. R?f. : RE: KR> LEDs (Serge VIDAL) 9. Re: ballistic parachute? (Orma) 10. Re: ballistic parachute? (robert glidden) 11. Re: ballistic parachute? (Dan Heath) 12. Re: ballistic parachute? (Dan Heath) 13. Re: ballistic parachute? (larry severson) 14. Re: ballistic parachute? (larry severson) 15. g rating (larry flesner) 16. LED,s (marko jaksic) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:57:50 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Parachute To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c52e50$434e1820$9c402141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Common sense might say that it does, but the letter of the FAR says each occupant must wear a personal parachute, and a reserve chute, etc.... No it does not. Ballistic chute is viewed like a fire extinguisher, additional safety equipment. Colin & Beverly Rainey Apex Lending, Inc. 407-323-6960 (p) 407-557-3260 (f) www.eloan2004cr.com crainey@apexlending.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:03:22 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Parachute To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >the letter of the FAR says each occupant must wear a personal >parachute, and a reserve chute, etc.... Ballistic chute is viewed like >a fire extinguisher, additional safety equipment. Sounds like a case where the FARs haven't caught up with technology and are due for reconsideration. Since it's fairly well agreed that it is quite a task to get out of a tight cockpit under extreme duress, it would seem to be easier and safer to yank a BRS deployment handle and ride a broken airplane to the ground than it would be to try to get out of one that's quickly headed down. Only exception might be if the plane were on fire... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:26:00 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> LEDs To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c52e54$37b6e1f0$b364a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" These may be old news, but just in case: http://www.ledtronics.com/ http://www.creativair.com/ http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm http://www.steinair.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:54:51 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> FIRST FLIGHT To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" CONGRATULAIONS MARK!! Welcome to the KRVAIR CLUB! I had no doubts after the last conversations that all would work out well. Hope to see you at Oshkosh!.. Bill ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:35:03 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Parachute To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050321163503.00834c00@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since it's fairly well agreed that it is quite a >task to get out of a tight cockpit under extreme duress, it would seem >to be >easier and safer to yank a BRS deployment handle and ride a broken airplane >to the ground than it would be to try to get out of one that's quickly >headed down. >Oscar Zuniga ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm wondering what the max deployment speed of the BRS (as installed in one or more of the KR's on the list) would be and if it will remain intact if deployed at 200mph , pulling out of a dive from a failed maneuver and a wing fails, etc.. While taking some aerobatic training several years ago, I screwed up and fell out of a simple aileron roll, doing a 180 half split S or something, and ended up going the opposite direction from my entry. So far I've been rather gentle with my bird. I'm tending to back off if I feel my butt get heavy in the seat. I do like those 180mph fly-bys with a gentle pull and zoom back to pattern altitude while crossing the runway centerline, then do a big circle to land approach. Hint: a fly-by with the wind on your tail is always 10 to 20 mph more impressive and don't screw up your landing after getting everyone's attention !! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:45:17 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Parachute To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <014c01c52e67$a98fa600$8200a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My GRS ballistic chute has a maximum deployment speed of 135kts, though the newer models have increased that and can handle a heavier load. A fly-by into wind just looks like a missed approach, down wind really gets their attention :-) regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner I'm wondering what the max deployment speed of the BRS (as installed in one or more of the KR's on the list) would be and if it will remain intact if deployed at 200mph , pulling out of a dive from a failed maneuver and a wing fails, etc.. While taking some aerobatic training several years ago, I screwed up and fell out of a simple aileron roll, doing a 180 half split S or something, and ended up going the opposite direction from my entry. So far I've been rather gentle with my bird. I'm tending to back off if I feel my butt get heavy in the seat. I do like those 180mph fly-bys with a gentle pull and zoom back to pattern altitude while crossing the runway centerline, then do a big circle to land approach. Hint: a fly-by with the wind on your tail is always 10 to 20 mph more impressive and don't screw up your landing after getting everyone's attention !! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:25:52 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Parachute To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got the solution: link the BRS to your seat, and make it an ejection seat! ;-) (Hey! While I think of it, I think it COULD be done!) Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Oscar Zuniga" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-03-21 21:03 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-03-21 21:03 Pour : krnet@mylist.net cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Parachute >the letter of the FAR says each occupant must wear a personal >parachute, and a reserve chute, etc.... Ballistic chute is viewed like >a fire extinguisher, additional safety equipment. Sounds like a case where the FARs haven't caught up with technology and are due for reconsideration. Since it's fairly well agreed that it is quite a task to get out of a tight cockpit under extreme duress, it would seem to be easier and safer to yank a BRS deployment handle and ride a broken airplane to the ground than it would be to try to get out of one that's quickly headed down. Only exception might be if the plane were on fire... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:27:31 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : RE: KR> LEDs To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No, it's actually very useful. Thanks a lot. Serge "Stephen Jacobs" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-03-21 21:26 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-03-21 21:29 Pour : , "'KRnet'" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> LEDs These may be old news, but just in case: http://www.ledtronics.com/ http://www.creativair.com/ http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm http://www.steinair.com/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:58:07 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> ballistic parachute? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01c501c52e71$d534da00$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original to do acrobatics Hello Net Of all the KR's registered, does anyone know of a KR that is certified to do acrobatics? I can't even recall anyone who has tested the plans stated g limit of +6 and _4 Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:59:24 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> ballistic parachute? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00c901c52e72$0268cfe0$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think Marty Roberts tested the "G" limits a few times,but I don't think the KR would be a very good acrobatics airplane.You may get away with a few rolls or a big loop,but beyond that I would think your pushing it.There was somebody I can't remember who it was,but he said he done acrobatics in his all the time.You might check the archives.This is just my opinion someone else might disagree,but if they have not done it I would let them prove it before I tried it.Then again I'm under the opinion that the wheels were put on the bottom of the airplane for a reason...to always point down...Bob > > Of all the KR's registered, does anyone know of a KR that is certified > to do > acrobatics? I can't even recall anyone who has tested the plans > stated g limit of +6 and _4 > > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year > Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust > http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:33:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> ballistic parachute? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <423F67D4.000003.02524@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you build the KR light and right, you can do some aerobatics in it. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- I don't think the KR would be a very good acrobatics airplane. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:34:34 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> ballistic parachute? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <423F681A.000005.02524@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orma, Isn't it +7 -4? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:43:17 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> ballistic parachute? To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050321163955.00c1c858@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I think Marty Roberts tested the "G" limits a few times,but I don't >think the KR would be a very good acrobatics airplane. No plane is, IF you do not know what you are doing. >You may get away with a few >rolls or a big loop,but beyond that I would think your pushing it. Skill first. >There was >somebody I can't remember who it was,but he said he done acrobatics in >his all the time. J. Rand said that a Air Force test pilot put a KR2 through the complete cycle of acrobatic maneuvers. She promised me a copy of the letter, but never got it to me. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:46:16 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> ballistic parachute? To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050321164523.01ea2fc8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Orma, > >Isn't it +7 -4? At 800 lbs. light plane, light pilot, light fuel. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:49:38 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> g rating To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050321184938.008346a0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Orma, >Isn't it +7 -4? >Daniel R. Heath +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And I'm thinking it's + / - 7G's at 800 pounds. Don't forget to always state the gross weight it's rated at. It doesn't carry the same G rating at 1200 pounds !! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:05:28 +0800 From: "marko jaksic" Subject: KR> LED,s To: Message-ID: <001d01c52e7b$524cff00$b38ea4cb@markoulcfu3ugy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Serge LED,s 1W at Jaycar Electronic Perth Western Australia Tel. No: 08 9328 8252 .fax 08 9328 8982 or www.jaycar.com.au . the part no: for 1W LED is DZ d0404 @ 16.95 AU$ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 119 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================