From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 151 Date: 4/17/2005 9:00:15 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Contact Detail - Garry Morgan (Phillip Matheson) 2. Re: Starting the VW (F Ross) 3. Quite (thepittses@juno.com) 4. Re: Starting the VW (Bill Starrs) 5. Re: Starting the VW (kwiese) 6. Re: Starting the VW (Barry Kruyssen) 7. Re: Starting the VW (Brant Hollensbe) 8. Starting the VW (Oscar Zuniga) 9. Re: Starting the VW (Glasseyegav) 10. SNF (Mark Langford) 11. Canopy (Jack Cooper) 12. crank correction (blindate@seark.net) 13. Re: Starting the VW (Bill Starrs) 14. Re: Starting the VW (Bill Starrs) 15. Re: Starting the VW (Bill Starrs) 16. Re: Starting the VW (Bill Starrs) 17. Re: Starting the VW (Bill Starrs) 18. Fw: KR> SNF (P.Byington) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:35:48 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Contact Detail - Garry Morgan To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <010501c54317$b1b2efd0$f7b1dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As requested Garry & Kristine Morgan E-mail Address(es): gkmorgan@ihug.com.au Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 00:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: F Ross Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050417070514.37087.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Bill, Best medicine in the world, going to the airport and hearing that engine run. Hope you have a great Arizona day. Frank Ross Still in England where it is a little damper, but still beautiful. --- Bill Starrs wrote: > Few years ago some one wrote a sure fire procedure > in starting the VW. It consists of this. Mixture > full rich. All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO > times leaving it in almost full throttle ...just a > small crack . Hit the starter button or key and > VOOOOOOOM every time . I have been very sick lately > and did not run the engine in over two years. I went > out to the airport yesterday and on the first shot > VOOOOM I sure have a lot to thank the guy that > shared that little bit of knowledge. pass it > on..Bill Starrs Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:41:31 GMT From: "thepittses@juno.com" Subject: KR> Quite To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050417.084221.11519.378783@webmail04.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mark it is good to hear all the good news on your plane, glad all is going well. Was out of town last and will be leaving again today for a week. Am slowly compiling all the little parts for the fuel tanks, so I can start my wings. Eric Pitts Terre Haute Ind. KR2S ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:40:08 -0600 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c54385$4431c170$b7ecf004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What are you doing in England? ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Ross" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 1:05 AM Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW Dear Bill, Best medicine in the world, going to the airport and hearing that engine run. Hope you have a great Arizona day. Frank Ross Still in England where it is a little damper, but still beautiful. --- Bill Starrs wrote: > Few years ago some one wrote a sure fire procedure > in starting the VW. It consists of this. Mixture > full rich. All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO > times leaving it in almost full throttle ...just a > small crack . Hit the starter button or key and > VOOOOOOOM every time . I have been very sick lately > and did not run the engine in over two years. I went > out to the airport yesterday and on the first shot > VOOOOM I sure have a lot to thank the guy that > shared that little bit of knowledge. pass it > on..Bill Starrs Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:13:17 -0600 From: kwiese Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: KRnet Message-ID: <426317BD.9080702@alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Im a little confused on the"leaving it in almost full throttle" part. Could you please clarify/verify this? > >--- Bill Starrs wrote: > > >>Few years ago some one wrote a sure fire procedure >>in starting the VW. It consists of this. Mixture >>full rich. All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO >>times leaving it in almost full throttle ...just a >>small crack . Hit the starter button or key and >>VOOOOOOOM every time . I have been very sick lately >>and did not run the engine in over two years. I went >>out to the airport yesterday and on the first shot >>VOOOOM I sure have a lot to thank the guy that >>shared that little bit of knowledge. pass it >>on..Bill Starrs >> >> > > >Frank Ross, >EAA Chapter 35, >San Geronimo, TX >RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK >Visit my photo album at: >http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:38:18 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006501c543b7$4dd7c670$7d00a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Bill, Your method scares me. "Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full throttle" Starting at full throttle will shorten the life of you engine. When starting there is minimal oil on the bearing surfaces and no oil pressure. Starting at full throttle will give high RPM and high load on a cold, unlubricated engine. If my plane has been sitting for some time I crank it over with ignition off till I get oil pressure before I operate the choke and try to start it. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Starrs Few years ago some one wrote a sure fire procedure in starting the VW. It consists of this. Mixture full rich. All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full throttle ...just a small crack . Hit the starter button or key and VOOOOOOOM every time . I have been very sick lately and did not run the engine in over two years. I went out to the airport yesterday and on the first shot VOOOOM I sure have a lot to thank the guy that shared that little bit of knowledge. pass it on..Bill Starrs ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:05:29 -0500 From: "Brant Hollensbe" Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001901c543bb$18337ce0$0702a8c0@bruntson> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Being the amateur writers we are, we occasionally forget a word or muddy a phrase. Yes it would be great if everyone wrote like Charles Dickens. But since we don't, we need to try to understand the point being made. I took the sentence to mean that the throttle was to be left in the almost full 'out' position or in other words: just crack the throttle. Brant Hollensbe DSM > All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full > throttle ...just a small crack . ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:18:28 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Starting the VW To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I took the sentence to mean that the throttle was to be left in the >almost full 'out' position or in other words: just crack the throttle. >>All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full >>throttle ...just a small crack I'm really interested in this, since I own an 1835 VW with an "underslung" Zenith carb on my "KR Construction Trainer". I think it's important for Bill Starrs to tell us what carb he's using, since the majority of the carbs on VW setups don't have an accelerator pump and stroking the throttle does nothing to introduce fuel into the intake tract or carb. It only exercises the butterfly in the throat of the carb. Now on a carb with a needle and slide, it may let liquid fuel come up into the throat of the carb. I don't know what pumping or stroking the throttle does to a POSA, a Revflow, or an Ellison on an engine that's not running yet. The starting drill I was told to use on my engine was to crack the throttle with ignition off (single Slick mag) and pull the prop through a few blades until fuel drips out the intake, then energize the mag and start the engine. Understand that the Zenith has a choke for cold starting, too, and it's used in lieu of a primer to enrich the mixture when the engine is cold. This is why I say it's important for Bill to let us know what kind of carb he's running and where it is in the intake tract. Thanks, Bill! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:26:23 +1000 From: "Glasseyegav" Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001201c543be$03ac5500$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full > > throttle ...just a small crack . > I hope on the day that you have to prop start it by hand while alone you remember to close the throttle or it'll be off on it's own across the field!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very bad habbit to get into, no engine starts better with the throttle full open instead of just cracked, unless it's flooded first. Gav ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:51:06 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> SNF To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011e01c543c1$7831dcd0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" NetHeads, Here's my favorite photo from SNF this year. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/050417202m2.jpg . Holding up the rear is "Glacier Girl" (the P-38 rescued from the Greenland ice pack in 1992), following a P-51, an F-4 (I think), and another jet that I won't venture to guess the name of. Where else would you see this flying overhead, other than OSH? Thanks to Doug Steen for another great ride in his '49 v-tail Bonanza, and Dana and Elaine for some good company. Had lunch today with William Wynne, and came away a little smarter, as usual. Had brats with Brian Kraut and Dean Cooper Thursday night, and the KR crowd Friday night. It's come to the point that I don't go for the great planes, but the chance to hang out with good friends. Next year my KR will be out there on the flight line with the rest of 'em... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:02:39 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> Canopy To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-2200541183239937@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To all who replied about the canopy, and several of you have, Doug Rupert has first choice on it then colin Raney. It will probably be two weeks before I let it go because I want to have the Todd's canopy in hand before I let it go. Thanks for the interest. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:11:36 -0500 (CDT) From: blindate@seark.net Subject: KR> crank correction To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1225.66.138.162.106.1113793896.squirrel@www.seark.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Steve,check for broken vavle spring.Doesn't happen often but I had a couple break on me.Sometimes hard to spot the first time.Tommy W. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:22:24 -0600 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c543c5$d80212c0$e2eef004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the tip I'll try to find a way to get proper lubrication without flooding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Kruyssen" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW Hi Bill, Your method scares me. "Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full throttle" Starting at full throttle will shorten the life of you engine. When starting there is minimal oil on the bearing surfaces and no oil pressure. Starting at full throttle will give high RPM and high load on a cold, unlubricated engine. If my plane has been sitting for some time I crank it over with ignition off till I get oil pressure before I operate the choke and try to start it. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Starrs Few years ago some one wrote a sure fire procedure in starting the VW. It consists of this. Mixture full rich. All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full throttle ...just a small crack . Hit the starter button or key and VOOOOOOOM every time . I have been very sick lately and did not run the engine in over two years. I went out to the airport yesterday and on the first shot VOOOOM I sure have a lot to thank the guy that shared that little bit of knowledge. pass it on..Bill Starrs _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:23:43 -0600 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c543c6$06fbd480$e2eef004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No almost FULL ON ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brant Hollensbe" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW Being the amateur writers we are, we occasionally forget a word or muddy a phrase. Yes it would be great if everyone wrote like Charles Dickens. But since we don't, we need to try to understand the point being made. I took the sentence to mean that the throttle was to be left in the almost full 'out' position or in other words: just crack the throttle. Brant Hollensbe DSM > All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full > throttle ...just a small crack . _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:24:40 -0600 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001901c543c6$289adaf0$e2eef004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Allmost full ON or in ----- Original Message ----- From: "kwiese" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:13 PM Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW Im a little confused on the"leaving it in almost full throttle" part. Could you please clarify/verify this? > >--- Bill Starrs wrote: > > >>Few years ago some one wrote a sure fire procedure >>in starting the VW. It consists of this. Mixture >>full rich. All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO >>times leaving it in almost full throttle ...just a >>small crack . Hit the starter button or key and >>VOOOOOOOM every time . I have been very sick lately >>and did not run the engine in over two years. I went >>out to the airport yesterday and on the first shot >>VOOOOM I sure have a lot to thank the guy that >>shared that little bit of knowledge. pass it >>on..Bill Starrs >> >> > > >Frank Ross, >EAA Chapter 35, >San Geronimo, TX >RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK >Visit my photo album at: >http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:25:24 -0600 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001f01c543c6$43280910$e2eef004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ALMOST FULL IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: KR> Starting the VW >I took the sentence to mean that the throttle was to be left in the >almost full 'out' position or in other words: just crack the throttle. >>All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full >>throttle ...just a small crack I'm really interested in this, since I own an 1835 VW with an "underslung" Zenith carb on my "KR Construction Trainer". I think it's important for Bill Starrs to tell us what carb he's using, since the majority of the carbs on VW setups don't have an accelerator pump and stroking the throttle does nothing to introduce fuel into the intake tract or carb. It only exercises the butterfly in the throat of the carb. Now on a carb with a needle and slide, it may let liquid fuel come up into the throat of the carb. I don't know what pumping or stroking the throttle does to a POSA, a Revflow, or an Ellison on an engine that's not running yet. The starting drill I was told to use on my engine was to crack the throttle with ignition off (single Slick mag) and pull the prop through a few blades until fuel drips out the intake, then energize the mag and start the engine. Understand that the Zenith has a choke for cold starting, too, and it's used in lieu of a primer to enrich the mixture when the engine is cold. This is why I say it's important for Bill to let us know what kind of carb he's running and where it is in the intake tract. Thanks, Bill! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:26:14 -0600 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002501c543c6$60a922d0$e2eef004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ALMOST FULL IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glasseyegav" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: Re: KR> Starting the VW > > > All switches ON. Pump the throttle TWO times leaving it in almost full > > throttle ...just a small crack . > I hope on the day that you have to prop start it by hand while alone you remember to close the throttle or it'll be off on it's own across the field!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very bad habbit to get into, no engine starts better with the throttle full open instead of just cracked, unless it's flooded first. Gav _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:40:47 -0700 From: "P.Byington" Subject: Fw: KR> SNF To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004701c543c8$6a737980$9ce7e404@Byington> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark; The other plane is a F-16 Fighting Falcon, not sure which model, the other is definetly a F-4 probably an E model or the G Wild Weasel. I worked on the F-4 Flight simulators for over six years during my stint in the Air Force and as a civilian at Hill AFB Utah. I helped Singer Link build the one and only F-4 G Wild Weasel simulator , it was a converted E model, back in 1982. I had the priviledge of accumulating approximately 4000 hours of simulator time mostly in the F-4 but some in the simulators of Delta Airlines. I also had the opportunity to have worked on the first F-16 simulator (while they were building it) while at Hill AFB with the 388th. Thanks Parley Byington N54PB (Kr-2) Henderson Nv parley@anv.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: KR> SNF > NetHeads, > > Here's my favorite photo from SNF this year. > See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/050417202m2.jpg . > Holding up the rear is "Glacier Girl" (the P-38 rescued from the Greenland > ice pack in 1992), following a P-51, an F-4 (I think), and another jet that > I won't venture to guess the name of. Where else would you see this flying > overhead, other than OSH? > > Thanks to Doug Steen for another great ride in his '49 v-tail Bonanza, and > Dana and Elaine for some good company. Had lunch today with William Wynne, > and came away a little smarter, as usual. Had brats with Brian Kraut and > Dean Cooper Thursday night, and the KR crowd Friday night. It's come to the > point that I don't go for the great planes, but the chance to hang out with > good friends. Next year my KR will be out there on the flight line with > the rest of 'em... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 151 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================