From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 173 Date: 5/2/2005 2:12:33 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. DAR vs FAA (ronevogt@cox.net) 2. Re: K R 1 for sale (Bill Starrs) 3. Re: K R 1 for sale (Mark Jones) 4. Re: DAR vs FAA (Joe) 5. Re: DAR vs FAA (JEHayward@aol.com) 6. Re: Help please! High Speed Miss (Jeff Scott) 7. Re: mistakes / new story-long (Jeff Scott) 8. Re: mistakes / new story-long (Jeff Scott) 9. Test (Dubi Gefen) 10. Ribs, Foam and Plywood (Serge VIDAL) 11. RE: Ribs, Foam and Plywood (Mark Jones) 12. RE: mistakes / new story-long (Jack Cooper) 13. Wood reservation (Dubi Gefen) 14. Re: Wood reservation (Bernard McLean Sr) 15. Re: K R 1 for sale (Bill Starrs) 16. Re: Learn from my mistake. (long) (Jim Sellars) 17. Re: DAR vs FAA (Joseph H. Horton) 18. Re: Help please! High Speed Miss (Ed Janssen) 19. Re: K R 1 for sale (Ed Janssen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 0:07:43 -0400 From: Subject: KR> DAR vs FAA To: Message-ID: <20050502040743.ULJW8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Netters; I had the world's worst experience with an FAA inspector. His first statement was, "I don't have any experience with homebuilts and don't know what I'm looking at." Then he proceeded to lecture me ad nosium...about something that he admitted he didn't know anything about. After the inspection process was over, he wanted me to move my airplane to an airport 2 1/2 hours away to do the test flight program, while there was 4 rural airports within one hour. That's when I decided to change to a DAR so that I could do the 40 hours at a nearby airport. Then the FAA inspector found out that I had circumvented him and launched an investigation. The DAR had made some errors in the paperwork, but he caught the flack, not me. The $500 I paid the DAR was well worth it. Therefore, my advise is: Don't, under any circumstances, use the FAA for your inspection. And remember, they're not happy until you're not happy! RV ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 22:17:17 -0600 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> K R 1 for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001101c54ecd$d47ab180$b9e8f004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I live 100 miles north of Phoenix AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Tomko" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: KR> K R 1 for sale Hi Bill can you send some pics and maybe more info on your K R 1 that will soon be ready for sale? Thanks Frank Tomko ezflyer@charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Starrs" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: KR> K R 1 for sale >I will have my KR 1 for sale soon ,best offer over $ 6,000.Bill starrs > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Tomko" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:17 PM > Subject: KR> K R 1 for sale > > > Hi Bill, do you know if there is a KR 1 out there for sale? if so email > ezflyer@charter.net Thamk you Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Sadler" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:33 AM > Subject: KR> Retrackable landing geasLang > > >> Anyone looking for a set retractable landing gears for KR1 or 2 or >> whatever never used got 5"tires and wheels to go with them mail me >> offline at- renosadler@charter.net >> >> Bill >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 05:41:45 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> K R 1 for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003d01c54f03$8f020e60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >I will have my KR 1 for sale soon ,best offer over $ 6,000. >Bill Starrs Here is a link on my web site to photos Bill Starrs sent me a few years ago of his KR-1. I presume it still looks like this. Is so, it needs to show up at the gathering for all to see. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/BillStarrs.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 07:50:50 -0500 From: "Joe" Subject: Re: KR> DAR vs FAA To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c54f15$9209f200$98cab4d8@Denise> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I used the FAA for my KR-2S. It was two weeks after I contacted him that he came to do the inspection. He was as nice as could be. And I saved $500.00 Joe Weber ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: KR> DAR vs FAA > Netters; > I had the world's worst experience with an FAA inspector. His > first > statement was, "I don't have any experience with homebuilts and don't know > what I'm looking at." Then he proceeded to lecture me ad nosium...about > something that he admitted he didn't know anything about. After the > inspection process was over, he wanted me to move my airplane to an > airport 2 1/2 hours away to do the test flight program, while there was 4 > rural airports within one hour. That's when I decided to change to a DAR > so that I could do the 40 hours at a nearby airport. Then the FAA > inspector found out that I had circumvented him and launched an > investigation. The DAR had made some errors in the paperwork, but he > caught the flack, not me. The $500 I paid the DAR was well worth it. > Therefore, my advise is: Don't, under any circumstances, use the FAA for > your inspection. And remember, they're not happy until you're not happy! > > RV > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:31:10 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> DAR vs FAA To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1b8.125c723a.2fa7859e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 5/1/2005 10:08:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, ronevogt@cox.net writes: > Don't, under any circumstances, use the FAA for your inspection. And > remember, they're not happy until you're not happy! > I guess I had just the opposite experience. While it took the FAA inspector 6 weeks to get to me instead of the 3 weeks he originally said, I had no problems even tho he had no idea what my Challenger was. He didn't want to see my builder's log but did want to see the construction photos. He looked over the plane and asked questions about anything that he wasn't sure of why I did what I did. We were finished in less than 3 hours and I had my repairman's cert in a month or so. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:42:30 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> Help please! High Speed Miss To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050502.084316.26925.50041@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Brian, Don't know if this will be helpful or not, but is something to check. Under certain circumstances, my KR (gravity feed fuel system) used to either stumble or shut down during high speed passes and would re-fire as soon as the speed bled off. It turned out that the vent for the header tank was in a position such that when I would get the speed up around 175+, I would get a sufficient negative pressure draw on the vent line which would stop the fuel flow to the carb. A minor relocation of the fuel vent to ensure positive pressure at all speeds is all that was necessary to fix the problem. BTW, are you going to get your KR to SWRFI? Weather permitting, mine will be there. -Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM -- "Brian G. Douglas" wrote: Hi Gang! I was out flying for the first time in 2 months (due to job and WX). When during a fast low aproach at full throttle the engine skipped a beat. Just one beat but it was heard on the ground and I d mn sure felt it. It has done this before and I was thinking that the filter after the Gascolator was just to much for the gravity feed carb. IE running lean, I removed the element and it seemed better. I have the RevMaster 2100, 350 TSN, 15 TSTOH (pistons, head, cylinders, rings, auto spark conversion ) I have the Revflow "carb". I don't know what jet is on it. That is one of my weak areas of knowledge. OK gang any ideas! PS I was thinking aboput just replacing the Revflow with a new one but need to know what size that I need. I have the money but I do like to spend only when I have to. Some times throwing money at a problem works and some times it does not Thanks All! Brian G. Douglas N8575C KR2 Tri Gear Killeen Texas _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:22:46 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> mistakes / new story-long To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050502.092312.26925.50729@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Hi Larry, I'll take this off line and you can share what you want with the net. I'll point out a couple of mistakes, but don't wish to do a public critique. First of all, I'm glad you plane is OK. Glass and paint are easy to fix and hopefully a valuable lesson learned. I've done the same with a C-85 and Stromberg carb on a friend's C-140. I was so excited that I literally huffed and puffed and blew the airbox fire out without even getting the paint scorched. Not a recommended procedure. :o) Mistake #1. You have a Marvel Schebler carb with a mixture control. If you're flooded, pull the mixture lean, but don't open the throttle more than 1/4". With the mixture at idle cutoff it will draw air only, so as soon as the mixture leans out enough to fire (about 8 - 10 blades), the engine will start at a low throttle setting, even cold. I demonstrated this to a friend in his C-182 this weekend by hand propping it after he had run out of battery trying to start it. By keeping the throttle mostly closed, it really discourages an intake manifold backfire and acts as a spark arrestor if it does backkfire. Mistake #2. If you get an airbox fire, crank the engine on the starter if possible. It won't burn long, but will usually draw the flame up through the carb and manifold. If the gas is burning outside the airbox, this isn't going to help, but usually it starts inside the airbox and can be contained with no damage by use of the starter. Something unique to the small Continentals to take into account: The primer on your O-200 shoots fuel sideways into the manifold spider just above the carb. It's a lousy way to prime an engine as the fuel typically sprays against the side of the spider and runs right back down through the carb into the airbox, which is a great way to start a fire if you happen to get a backfire through the carb with the throttle plate open. You know that now. ;o) BTW, this didn't work on the C-140 when I had it on fire. On the other hand, your MS Carb has an accelerator pump that shoots fuel straight up through the spider. Although it really sounds backwards, it does a better job of priming the engine than the primer that's mounted sideways in the spider. For a cold start, I usually give my O-200 1 or 2 shots with the throttle, then set it at 1/8 - 1/4" before engaging the starter. It rarely turns more than 2 blades before it starts. I never pump it at all for a warm start. One rule that I almost never violate is that I never turn a carburated engine forward with the throttle open, either hand propping or on the starter. If they won't start at idle, they won't start. I don't think I have so much as unlocked the primer since I removed the C-85 and Stromberg carb and installed the O-200 and Marvel Schebler carb. Fuel injected engines are a whole different story. Hope this is helpful to you. Best regards, -Jeff -- larry flesner wrote: This seems to be "sharing and learning from others mistakes" weekend so I'll share with you a few exciting moments I had this morning as 13 years of building and lots of fun flying flashed before my eyes !!!! After diver dumping (hauling skydivers) all day yesterday in a tired C182 I was looking forward to some KR time today. I was off to the airport at 7:30AM with blue skies and light winds. I rolled the trailer out of the way, rolled out the Rans S-6 a friend of mine has in the hangar, and rolled out the KR. With everything put back in place and a quick preflight, I was ready for another YEE HAA kind of day. A quick shot of prime and a pull on the starter handle had the blades rotating. Wouldn't fire a lick. D#m*, must have flooded it so I kept the starter engaged and went to full throttle to try to clear the induction system. Still didn't hit a single time. O.K., let it set for a minute or two and let the gas evaporate. Tried it again and it coughed to life, ran maybe 10 seconds, stumbled and died. HEY, IS THAT SMOKE ROLLING OUT OF THE COWL !! SH*#, NOW WHAT DO I DO, KEEP CRANKING OR RUN FOR MY LIFE. I shut off the fuel and jumped out. As I reached the front of the KR I spotted a two inch rolling flame on the bottom of the cowl with melting, burning, dripping paint and what I learned later was melting, burning epoxy!!!!! DUMB MISTAKE #1 : I had flooded the engine. Jeff Scott told me, and maybe the net, on at least one occasion that the 0-200 is an easy starter without prime. I never listened and have on several occasions flooded the engine without any problems. DUMB MISTAKE #2 : No fire extinguisher handy. I quickly remembered the two gallon weed sprayer setting in the hangar that I use to wash down the engine. Hoping it had some water in it I made two or three 20 foot leaps to the hangar and back. It was nearly full !!!! I know you're not supposed to spray water on a fuel fire but hey, MY BABY WAS BURNING !!!! The first shot of water quickly extinguished the burning cowl on the outside so I stuck the nozzle in the access hole for the oil quickdrain, pumped like hell on the sprayer and directed the nozzle in every direction I could inside the cowl. It probably only took 10 seconds to extinguish the flame but I think I pumped the sprayer half empty. Thinking I had the fire out I ran to the truck to get my battery powered drill and bit to remove the cowl. Not knowing what shape the battery was in I grabbed the extra battery also. Turns out they were both nearly run down but between the two of them I removed the cowl. Soot everywhere but no damage at all that I could detect to the engine. The paint was not even scorched on the carb heat box. The cowl was another issue. An area about twice the size of your hand and fingers was TRASHED ! The epoxy had burned completely out of the glass cloth and you could see daylight right through the weave in several areas. I have no clue as to what ignited the fire. I'm sure I flooded the engine and supplied the fuel but there was no hint of a backfire or anything that would hint of trouble. Lesson 1: Raw fuel outside the induction system is BAD NEWS! I may remove my primer and will use a different starting procedure from now on. The engine will be cranking before I induce any fuel into the system by either cracking or pumping the throttle. Lesson 2: I intend to purchase a small fire extinguisher and carry it in the KR. Lesson 3: Resin and paint can continue to burn even after the fuel (gas) has burned off. When I repair the cowl next week I intend to build in a small stainless or aluminum catch basin under the carb that will route any fuel leakage to the access hole for the oil quickdrain rather then let it possibly pool in the cowl. Being a taildragger it will have a nice natural incline. If a fire does develop, it will keep the flames out of contact with the resin and what little fuel stays on the metal will hopefully burn off quickly. 1000+ hours and this was my first experiance with an engine fire. Hopefully it will be my last ! I'm sure others may see other lessons to be learned here and if so, good. As for me, I'M ONE LUCKY DUDE !!! My "Little Phoenix" will rise from the ashes to fly again !!! YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:27:28 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> mistakes / new story-long To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050502.092729.26925.50811@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain -- "Jeff Scott" wrote: Oops. That was supposed to go to Larry privately. My apologies, especially for the public critique. -Jeff ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:59:22 +0200 From: Dubi Gefen Subject: KR> Test To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <000001c54f38$4d880590$8c07a8c0@privatevkzwc19> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Test Dubi ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:01:47 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: KR> Ribs, Foam and Plywood To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Still busy with that major overhaul to my KR2. After a long and tedious struggle, I got all the WAFs out. For that, I had to remove the ribs, and I now have remake them. Luckily, my wing skins are pre-molded, so no skin foam in the way! The holes are pretty clean, so it should be as simple as preparing some ribs, and sliding them in place. Questions: - I intend to use 40mm (1.57") extruded polystyrene foam, with big lightening holes, plus a layer of 1 mm plywood (0.04"). How does that sound? - What should I use to glue the plywood to the foam? (I have been told about some glue that they use in the construction business, any idea what that would be?) - What should I use to glue the foam to the skin? Epoxy plus microballoons? (And for all of you who are frustrated to feel that they are not going forward fast enough, just think of me, who is slowly but surely disassembling a KR that was in perfect FLYING condition! ;-) Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:17:25 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Ribs, Foam and Plywood To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F3549DA3B@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- FROM: Serge VIDAL Questions: - I intend to use 40mm (1.57") extruded polystyrene foam, with big lightening holes, plus a layer of 1 mm plywood (0.04"). How does that sound? Good - What should I use to glue the plywood to the foam? (I have been told about some glue that they use in the construction business, any idea what that would be?) I used "Pro Bond". Use a squeegee to spread it around and weigh the foam down while it dries because it does expand but only very little. The "Pro Bond" will seep into the foam and adhere extremely well. - What should I use to glue the foam to the skin? Epoxy plus microballoons? Yes....do not substitute this with any other method. Mark Jones (N886MJ....14.7 flight hours) Wales, WI ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:21:18 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> mistakes / new story-long To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005512172118328@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm planning on making a parts order to Wicks this week. I think I'll include a fire extinguisher. Glad your damage was limited to the cowling. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: larry flesner > To: KRnet > Date: 5/1/2005 8:40:29 PM > Subject: KR> mistakes / new story-long > > > > This seems to be "sharing and learning from others mistakes" weekend > so I'll share with you a few exciting moments I had this morning as > 13 years of building and lots of fun flying flashed before my eyes !!!! > > After diver dumping (hauling skydivers) all day yesterday in a tired > C182 I was looking forward to some KR time today. I was off to the > airport at 7:30AM with blue skies and light winds. I rolled the trailer > out of the way, rolled out the Rans S-6 a friend of mine has in the > hangar, and rolled out the KR. With everything put back in > place and a quick preflight, I was ready for another YEE HAA kind > of day. > > A quick shot of prime and a pull on the starter handle had the blades > rotating. Wouldn't fire a lick. D#m*, must have flooded it so I kept > the starter engaged and went to full throttle to try to clear the > induction system. Still didn't hit a single time. O.K., let it set > for a minute or two and let the gas evaporate. Tried it again and > it coughed to life, ran maybe 10 seconds, stumbled and died. > > HEY, IS THAT SMOKE ROLLING OUT OF THE COWL !! SH*#, > NOW WHAT DO I DO, KEEP CRANKING OR RUN FOR MY > LIFE. I shut off the fuel and jumped out. As I reached the front > of the KR I spotted a two inch rolling flame on the bottom of the > cowl with melting, burning, dripping paint and what I learned > later was melting, burning epoxy!!!!! > > DUMB MISTAKE #1 : I had flooded the engine. Jeff Scott told > me, and maybe the net, on at least one occasion that the 0-200 > is an easy starter without prime. I never listened and have on > several occasions flooded the engine without any problems. > > DUMB MISTAKE #2 : No fire extinguisher handy. I quickly > remembered the two gallon weed sprayer setting in the hangar > that I use to wash down the engine. Hoping it had some water > in it I made two or three 20 foot leaps to the hangar and back. > It was nearly full !!!! I know you're not supposed to spray water > on a fuel fire but hey, MY BABY WAS BURNING !!!! The first > shot of water quickly extinguished the burning cowl on the > outside so I stuck the nozzle in the access hole for the oil > quickdrain, pumped like hell on the sprayer and directed the > nozzle in every direction I could inside the cowl. It probably > only took 10 seconds to extinguish the flame but I think I > pumped the sprayer half empty. > > Thinking I had the fire out I ran to the truck to get my battery > powered drill and bit to remove the cowl. Not knowing what > shape the battery was in I grabbed the extra battery also. > Turns out they were both nearly run down but between the > two of them I removed the cowl. Soot everywhere but no > damage at all that I could detect to the engine. The paint > was not even scorched on the carb heat box. The cowl was > another issue. An area about twice the size of your hand > and fingers was TRASHED ! The epoxy had burned completely > out of the glass cloth and you could see daylight right through > the weave in several areas. > > I have no clue as to what ignited the fire. I'm sure I flooded the > engine and supplied the fuel but there was no hint of a backfire > or anything that would hint of trouble. > > Lesson 1: Raw fuel outside the induction system is BAD NEWS! > I may remove my primer and will use a different starting procedure > from now on. The engine will be cranking before I induce any fuel > into the system by either cracking or pumping the throttle. > > Lesson 2: I intend to purchase a small fire extinguisher and carry > it in the KR. > > Lesson 3: Resin and paint can continue to burn even after the > fuel (gas) has burned off. When I repair the cowl next week I > intend to build in a small stainless or aluminum catch basin > under the carb that will route any fuel leakage to the access > hole for the oil quickdrain rather then let it possibly pool in > the cowl. Being a taildragger it will have a nice natural incline. > If a fire does develop, it will keep the flames out of contact with > the resin and what little fuel stays on the metal will hopefully > burn off quickly. > > 1000+ hours and this was my first experiance with an engine > fire. Hopefully it will be my last ! I'm sure others may see > other lessons to be learned here and if so, good. As for > me, I'M ONE LUCKY DUDE !!! My "Little Phoenix" will > rise from the ashes to fly again !!! > > YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!! > > Larry Flesner > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:24:51 +0200 From: Dubi Gefen Subject: KR> Wood reservation To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <000001c54f3b$dd4c3130$8c07a8c0@privatevkzwc19> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Today, 2-May-05 I got confirmation from Israel authority to build KR-2S. I would like to make wood reservation for the Fuselage. How can let me know and recommended about the suppliers? Dubi Gefen ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 12:29:05 -0500 From: Bernard McLean Sr Subject: Re: KR> Wood reservation To: KRnet Message-ID: <42766361.9020301@northboone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Try; Aircraft Spruce & Specialty or Wicks Aircraft Supply ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:33:25 -0600 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> K R 1 for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000701c54f3d$0cb958c0$17c7f004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Mark, but I'm not ready physically. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:41 AM Subject: Re: KR> K R 1 for sale > > >I will have my KR 1 for sale soon ,best offer over $ 6,000. >Bill Starrs Here is a link on my web site to photos Bill Starrs sent me a few years ago of his KR-1. I presume it still looks like this. Is so, it needs to show up at the gathering for all to see. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/BillStarrs.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:55:20 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> Learn from my mistake. (long) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ac01c54f40$1beff8a0$6401a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Good for you Mark, to share the story and for staying calm in the face of a real "bummer", excuse my pun! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: KR> Learn from my mistake. (long) This morning I was up at daybreak and could not wait to get to the airport. The wind was calm and the temp was 36° and the sky was beautiful blue. What a morning to fly!!! I got to the airport at 6:30 am and pulled the KR out in the glistening sun. Did my pre-flight, hopped in and prepped for start up. Pumped the prime and she fired on the first revolution. I taxied to the pump and put six gallons in each tank on top of what was already there. That would give me a comfortable two hours in the air. Taxied to 29 and did a run up. Pulled out on the runway and firewalled it, rotated at 60, lifted off at 70, climbed out at 95 and was at pattern altitude as I turned on downwind. Held steady at 100 mph on downwind. Turned base then final. I was on a 1.5 mile final and reduced throttle to start bleeding off speed. Dropped the speed brake half way and settled in at 90 mph. At one mile out, I dropped the speed brake all the way down. Slowed to 80 by 1/2 mile and was at 70 over the numbers. I began my flare, throttle all the way out, and settled down for a smooth as glass landing. Had her stopped at mid field turn off (runway is 3000'). I then taxied back to runway 29 and prepared for departure. All was clear, I made the call, firewalled it....rotation again at 60 and lifted off at 70 mph. She climbed to about 300 feet above the ground and stopped climbing. Speed had only reached 80 mph....the PUCKER FACTOR was really setting in as I started looking for a field to set down in. The engine was running smooth and strong....all gauges were right on....what's happening...I stayed very calm and began checking everything. Throttle full...mixture rich...carb heat off....all gauges were still reading perfect except the altimeter and airspeed. I was clearing farm silos not more than 200 ' and I think I saw the farmers daughter in the buff in a hay stack. So, has anyone figured out the problem? All of a sudden it hit me like a brick wall. I did not raise my speed brake after I made the last landing. As I raised the speed brake, the airspeed quickly reached 100...110...120 and I pulled back on the stick and she climbed like a homesick angel. Thank God..... Well after I peeled my butt loose from the seat and relaxed, I continued on for a 1.3 hour flight. Now, before you guys start flaming me, I was not going to tell this story on the list but the more I thought about it, the more I felt you could learn from my mistake. Yes, I have laminated check lists I use for every phase of flight but I made them long before I installed the speed brake so it is not on the check list. Second, I have not installed a position indicator on the speed brake but now have the plans done to do so using micro switches and LED's for indicator lights. So, learn anything? I did. I know the KR will take off with the speed brake down but I would not advise doing it. I honestly think by staying calm and level headed and meticulously diagnosing the problem, saved my butt today. Man I love this KR stuff. Glad I am still with you guys and I can not wait till tomorrow morning to fly again. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:46:13 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> DAR vs FAA To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050502.144613.3336.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guys I spoke with the Harrisburg, Pa. inspection office last week. They will not do the inspection any more. He did send a new information package to me and included 3 names of AB-DAR's. He also wrote a lenghty letter that outlined what they would be looking for. Most things I knew and had taken care of but there was a couple surprises too. I will scan the letter and see if someone can post it in the next couple days. My choices are to pay a fellow $475 or pay milage from Maryland. The guy at the FAA inspection office also requested that all paper work be sent to him for review and if all was correct they would forward it to the inspector of my choice. At my current rate of progress I should be ready for inspection in 3 weeks,. Wish me luck Joe Horton ;-) On Mon, 2 May 2005 07:50:50 -0500 "Joe" writes: > I used the FAA for my KR-2S. It was two weeks after I contacted him > that he > came to do the inspection. He was as nice as could be. And I saved > $500.00 > Joe Weber > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 11:07 PM > Subject: KR> DAR vs FAA > > > > Netters; > > I had the world's worst experience with an FAA inspector. His > first > > statement was, "I don't have any experience with homebuilts and > don't know > > what I'm looking at." Then he proceeded to lecture me ad > nosium...about > > something that he admitted he didn't know anything about. After > the > > inspection process was over, he wanted me to move my airplane to > an > > airport 2 1/2 hours away to do the test flight program, while > there was 4 > > rural airports within one hour. That's when I decided to change > to a DAR > > so that I could do the 40 hours at a nearby airport. Then the FAA > > > inspector found out that I had circumvented him and launched an > > investigation. The DAR had made some errors in the paperwork, but > he > > caught the flack, not me. The $500 I paid the DAR was well worth > it. > > Therefore, my advise is: Don't, under any circumstances, use the > FAA for > > your inspection. And remember, they're not happy until you're not > happy! > > > > RV > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:06:56 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> Help please! High Speed Miss To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005f01c54f5a$dfee3b30$5500a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brian, Had to smile a little when you mentioned the engine "skipping a beat". Some of us older KR drivers called it the VW "burp." Everyone I've ever heard experiencing this "heart in the throat" situation was running a suspect Posa carb. I don't think anyone really figured out for sure what was happening, but I think Mark L. is as close as anyone in explaining the phenomenon. Also, I've never heard of a VW actually quitting as a result of it, but I will say that it does cause you concern when you're running along nice and smoothly and all of a sudden - a quick "burp" - then back to normal again. If it were me, I'd change carbs. Wonder if Jim Faughn has ever experienced it? Ed Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian G. Douglas" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: KR> Help please! High Speed Miss > Hi Gang! > I was out flying for the first time in 2 months (due to job and WX). When > during a fast low aproach at full throttle the engine skipped a beat. Just > one beat but it was heard on the ground and I d mn sure felt it. It has > done this before and I was thinking that the filter after the Gascolator was > just to much for the gravity feed carb. IE running lean, I removed the > element and it seemed better. > I have the RevMaster 2100, 350 TSN, 15 TSTOH (pistons, head, cylinders, > rings, auto spark conversion ) I have the Revflow "carb". I don't know > what jet is on it. That is one of my weak areas of knowledge. > > OK gang any ideas! > > PS I was thinking aboput just replacing the Revflow with a new one but need > to know what size that I need. I have the money but I do like to spend only > when I have to. Some times throwing money at a problem works and some times > it does not > > Thanks All! > Brian G. Douglas > N8575C > KR2 Tri Gear > Killeen Texas > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:12:29 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> K R 1 for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ab01c54f5b$a6576210$5500a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a couple more different pictures of Bill's KR-1 that I can e-mail to anyone that's interested. E-mail me off the list. Ed Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:41 AM Subject: Re: KR> K R 1 for sale > > > > >I will have my KR 1 for sale soon ,best offer over $ 6,000. > >Bill Starrs > > > Here is a link on my web site to photos Bill Starrs sent me a few years ago > of his KR-1. I presume it still looks like this. > Is so, it needs to show up at the gathering for all to see. > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/BillStarrs.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 173 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================