From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 189 Date: 5/12/2005 5:37:01 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' (William Jeffries) 2. Re: engines (Gavin and Louise) 3. RE: KR speeds (Steve Glover) 4. R?f. : KR> Dyeing Seat Belts (Serge VIDAL) 5. R?f. : Re: KR> Empty weight (Serge VIDAL) 6. R?f. : KR> engines (Serge VIDAL) 7. Speeds (Colin & Bev Rainey) 8. Re: NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' (Richard Anderson) 9. Re: R?f. : KR> Dyeing Seat Belts (patrusso) 10. engines (Don Chisholm) 11. Cat Poop (JIM VANCE) 12. Re: NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' (w.higdon9604@comcast.net) 13. engines (Don Chisholm) 14. RE: final weight and balance (Golden, Kevin) 15. R?f. : Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' (Serge VIDAL) 16. Re: Réf. : Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' (w.higdon9604@comcast.net) 17. R?f. : RE: KR> final weight and balance (Serge VIDAL) 18. Re: NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' (Martindale Family) 19. Legal to carry passengers? (Mark Jones) 20. RE: engines (Donald Reid) 21. Certified Engines (Linda Warner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: William Jeffries Subject: Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050512052917.36566.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Larry, Now I have taken the time to read several of the replies regaurding the cat problems you are having. Now many of the ideas that have been made are in jest, however I would recommend the use of "red chili pepper." I know when sprinkled around the garden it does keep out the rabbits, it might work for the cats as well. Worth a shot and it's better than shipping a live dog accross the country. Regards, Bill Jeffries --- Larry Deckert wrote: > Folks, > > Anyone know how to keep cats out of a fresh flower > garden (besides a 410)? > > I kind of get irked when I stick my hands in the > soil and come up with cat > poop! > > Larry > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:53:09 +1000 From: "Gavin and Louise" Subject: Re: KR> engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005701c556b6$e01757f0$0100000a@gavin> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Well I've got an O200 A. Gav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Chisholm" >I don't know why nobody is looking at > A series Continentals. They're light, > 170 lbs. with Bendix mags. with > Slicks 6 lbs lighter. They can be easily ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:28:40 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> KR speeds To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mark, As you know, I currently have a VW 2180 (Not for long ;)- I leave for FL. tomorrow). All number are MPH. I like to rotate at 70 and typically use 100 - 110 for climb out unless I need to climb faster. I then use between 80 - 90 for best climb. Pattern is usually at 110 - 130 depending on traffic at the time. I use 90 - 100 on base and 80 on final. I am about 70 over the numbers and let it settle. I wheel land because I like having the speed just in case down low. I touch down around 55 - 65. I do not have flaps or a belly board and slip it in on final....Oh yeah, I forgot we went up together at the Gathering. So you kinda know how my plane flys the pattern and on final. I'm sure your plane will be way smoother than mine but the overall speeds should be pretty close. Good luck! I can't wait to hear the flight report. Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- OK, I hate to be this way, but this one's for real KR pilots only. Please send me your speeds....rotation, climbout, pattern, approach, and approximate touchdown speeds, and anything else that a prospective KR test pilot might need. And it might not hurt to remind me what engine you have in it, and whether or not you have flaps or belly board. I might need these one of these days... ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:46:08 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Dyeing Seat Belts To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rick, Safety belts are made of mainly synthetic fabric, and synthetic does not dye easily. Your chances to get a good result are very slim. If you have a problem with the color, the best is to change the belts, or at least the straps. If you have a set of buckles, you can fit the straps without sewing anything. Just use flat buckes as retainers. That's an approved method, as per AC 43 13. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France rickcoy@comcast.net Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-11 23:18 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-11 23:18 Pour : krnet@mylist.net cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Dyeing Seat Belts My belts are bright green and that just won't work with my color scheme. Has anyone tried dyeing them with Ritz dye? I'm wondering if it might weaken the fabric -- or if they might not absorb the dye fully. I want to dye them black and hate to mess up a perfectly good set of seat belts/shoulder harnesses (Davis Aircraft Products). Rick rickcoy@comcast.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:03:49 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Empty weight To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don, Thank you for that fascinating lecture. I have seldom felt so ignorant since I joint the KRNet! Moreover, you just gave me something to brag about when I will meet the airworthiness inspector! ;-) Serge Donald Reid Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-11 19:24 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-11 20:57 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Empty weight At 10:26 AM 5/11/2005, you wrote: >I noticed that my WAFs'lightenigh holes are all 1/2" diameter, so I >probably can increase these holes as per specs. Every little helps. Please note that these holes are not to make the fitting lighter, but a part of the structural design of the fitting. The graduated size is important. Quoting from ANC-18, Design of Wood Aircraft Structures "BEHAVIOR OF DISSIMILAR MATERIALS WORKING TOGETHER When materials of different rigidities such as wood or metal fittings are fastened together ... and are under high stress ... (such as) a long metal strap bolted to a wood spar flange for the purpose of taking the load out of the wood at a wing joint. In order that the load be uniformly distributed among the bolts, the ratio of the stress to the modulus of elasticity should be the same for both materials at every point. This may be approximated in practical structures by tapering the straps and the wood in such a manner that the average stress in each divided by its modulus of elasticity gives the same ratio." This is a fancy engineering way of saying that the material in the metal fitting must be tapered as it progresses away from the removable bolt. That is the point where the load is applied to each fitting. It is more difficult to taper the material in thickness than it is to taper it in equivalent width. That is why the holes increase in size from the outside to the inside. The material that is left then decreases toward the unloaded end of the fitting. The holes should be sized as called in the plans to make the correct fitting. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:13:13 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> engines To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When we talk engine, I am always amazed at the fact that almost nobody seems concerned with fuel consumption. Here in Europe,fuel is by far the highest cost in flying, so it's kind of obsession. I read yesterday that the Diamond DA40 (Austrian four seater, the big brother of the DA20 trainer) is offered in two versions: petrol or turbo-Diesel. Although the petrol version is more powerful, they did not sell a single petrol last year. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France Don Chisholm Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-12 04:35 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-12 04:37 Pour : krnet@mylist.net cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> engines I don't know why nobody is looking at A series Continentals. They're light, 170 lbs. with Bendix mags. with Slicks 6 lbs lighter. They can be easily accessorized with a set up like 4 cylinder Lycomings. They are readily available, and parts are not that expensive. They are 171 cu. inches, with A80 pistons get 80 hp at 2700 RPMs and have an excellent reputation for reliability. Old technology yes, but you can't argue with tried and true. E Magair is working on a 4 cylinder Continental electronic ignition that is even lighter than Slicks. A lot less pucker factor here _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:11:37 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Speeds To: Message-ID: <00b201c556da$fbc8d770$c7432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark I had the 1835 cc VW and also have the RAF48 wing, so take with a grain of salt: Once the static port was accurate, stall power on was 49mph, power off 52mph. Anything under 60 and it was really mushy and about half the response from the controls as above that. I found my Vx climb to be 85 mph but engine temp rose quickly, so only good for first 400-500 feet or so. 95 to 100 mph was best cooling climb and Vy or best rate. In the pattern 105 to 110 mph on downwind, base first notch of the belly board 25 degrees slow to between 95 - 100 mph, final at 3/4 mile last notch of 50 degrees belly board, and slow to 85 mph. This made for a steady as rails approach, even in wind. Roundout in the grass before the numbers it slows immediately to 80, holding it in ground effect about 2 feet off and it slow thru 75 to 70 and begins to settle. Slight back pressure to just kiss the mains, and as they come on between 65 - 60 mph, "roll on" the forward pressure to hold the tail up, and let it slow by itself. Depending on the wind it will separate from the runway at between 65 and 75 (and weight). This may change with the Corvair but not much. All else does not rely on the engine but mainly CG, weight, and configuration. Also, I leave in idle power plus a couple of hundred rpms. This also helps to stabilize the glide and prevent shock cooling of the engine. Colin ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 05:20:45 -0500 From: Richard Anderson Subject: Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' To: KRnet Message-ID: <00be01c556dc$436c6be0$0300a8c0@JimAnn> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Electric wire 4 inches off the ground. tractor supply for the transformer and insulators! I like the mini14 best! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Glidden" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' >I would go with the 410,but then I'm not a cat fan... > > > > Anyone know how to keep cats out of a fresh flower garden (besides a > 410)? > > _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:46:34 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Dyeing Seat Belts To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004601c556df$dddef780$e1a672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Give a call to Pro-Chem in Mass. They are manufacturers of chemical dyes. I'll bet they are an easy search on the net. A jar of black printers ink might do the trick???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: Réf. : KR> Dyeing Seat Belts > Rick, > > Safety belts are made of mainly synthetic fabric, and synthetic does > not dye easily. Your chances to get a good result are very slim. If > you have a problem with the color, the best is to change the belts, or > at least the straps. > > If you have a set of buckles, you can fit the straps without sewing > anything. Just use flat buckes as retainers. That's an approved > method, as per AC 43 13. > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > > > > > > rickcoy@comcast.net > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-05-11 23:18 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-05-11 23:18 > > > Pour : krnet@mylist.net > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : KR> Dyeing Seat Belts > > > > My belts are bright green and that just won't work with my color > scheme. Has anyone tried dyeing them with Ritz dye? I'm wondering if > it might weaken the fabric -- or if they might not absorb the dye > fully. > > I want to dye them black and hate to mess up a perfectly good set of > seat belts/shoulder harnesses (Davis Aircraft Products). > > Rick > rickcoy@comcast.net > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:19:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> engines To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050512111930.91987.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm glad I live in Canada. It must be frustrating to deal with a system that defies logic and is archaic. What's the difference, a 40 year old converted car engine or a rebuilt aircraft engine My bet's with the aircraft engine, log books or not ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:27:36 -0500 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> Cat Poop To: "krnet" Message-ID: <00b501c556e5$deee8400$0200a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you sprinkle a large amount of salt on the top of your flowerbed, the need to put your hands in the soil will go away. Skunks and badgers will keep cats away. Don't ask me how I know!! Jim Vance ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:56:12 +0000 From: w.higdon9604@comcast.net Subject: Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' To: KRnet Message-ID: <051220051156.4374.4283445C000D5E2C000011162205889116CBCFC0C702010B090708D299@comcast.net> My mother used to put moth balls inthe flower bed, Bill Higdon > Electric wire 4 inches off the ground. tractor supply for the > transformer > and insulators! > I like the mini14 best! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Glidden" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' > > > >I would go with the 410,but then I'm not a cat fan... ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:59:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> engines To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050512115956.63304.qmail@web88011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Too bad an end run couldn't be figured out around your rules like you started to build a Chevy engine pistons first that just happen to fit A65 Continental bores and on further investigation you sustituted cylinders which really didn't adapt to the Chevy block so you used Continental cases etc. or you started converting a Lycoming 0 290G to aircraft use and ended up using 0 290D cases and crank ( except they're heavy) and things progressed from there. just a thought on how to deal with a dynosaur called bureaucracy that is incapable of adapting to the times ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:01:15 -0400 From: "Golden, Kevin" Subject: RE: KR> final weight and balance To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain I have a Lycoming in a Tr2. I was heavily involved with the overhaul as I have rebuilt several engines in the last 20 years so I wanted to see how it was built. I was shocked to see how they were designed and put together. I am surprised any of them make it to TBO. We need modern engines for our planes. I keep thinking the Japanese will step in and get this done like they did to the car industry. There probably isn't enough profit in it for them. Oh well, fly what I have.... Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Robert L. Stone [mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:53 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance Mark, As you may or may not know Ken Rand was a good friend of mine when he was alive and we both lived two blocks apart in Huntington Beach, California. He used to call KR's that he considered over built "lead sleds". He also said many times "anything will fly with enough power". I personally believe that an aircraft should have an engine that was designed by competent engineers for aircraft. The best one of these I can think of is a Lycoming and if I had it to do over I would build a KR2S and for power, I would use a l25 horse power Lycoming. That would haul a pair of two hundred pound guys with a climb rate of at least 1500 feet per minute and with the right prop cruise in level flight would be about 215 mph. If you wanted to go to the expence of having both, an air adjustable pitch prop would do both. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:46 PM Subject: RE: KR> final weight and balance >I just put my plane on the Atkins diet!!!!! There are a lot of things I >could have done to save weight. My turtle deck is one area. It is about two >inches taller than stock and way too thick as are my wing skins. Also I >have a lot of unnecessary things like strobes, nav lights and landing >lights, electric speed brake, etc, etc... As I was building, I had one goal >in mind and that was to make a safe cross country flying machine. >Passengers will be few and far between as my wife will not even fly in >small spam cans. The kids are very light weight so when they fly with me >that will be no biggie. The nose gear adds a few more pounds as does the >aluminum wing tanks. I added 2 inches in front of the main spar to the >fuselage as well as widened it by 3 inches. Maybe a lighter battery would >help or I could ditch that heavy T&B indicator that I consider not needed >and replace it with a simple ball slip indicator. There are a lot of things >to lower the weight but I am happy with the plane the > > Mark Jones > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Mark Langford > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:34 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance > > > OZ wrote: > >> So... your airplane came in 39 lbs. lighter than Mark Jones'. > > I'm not exactly sure what it was that I left out, but hope it wasn't > important! All I can think of at the moment would be the kitchen > sink. There are several places where rethinking and redoing things > (like the > airfoils) cost me some weight. I'm pretty sure I could build it 10-15 > pounds lighter next time around. But keep in mind that I have all the > nice > stuff like huge electric flaps, full electrical system, giant 130 > horsepower > engine, landing, nav lights, and strobes, redundant electrical system, two > fuel pumps, dual sticks, adjustable horizontal stabilizer, double-walled > wing skins, etc. It all adds up, I guess. I just weighed my wings and > they > are 48 pounds each, but keep in mind that all bellcranks, cables, and > connectors are part of my wings, rather than the airplane (like most other > KRs). But surely your average KR wing must be far less, especially > considering the size of my flaps, ailerons, and aileron counterweights. > > I've elaborated some more on the weight and balance at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/weightandbalance.html , and provided > links to the spreadsheet and a pdf file of it for those who don't have > Excel... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html *The information contained in this message may be confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is for the use of the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or copying of the information in this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.* ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:03:21 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mth balls, definitely. ...So the cat will come and say: - Oh my God! Look at what they did to the moths! and run away as fast as it can! (Sorry, could not resist) w.higdon9604@comcast.net Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-05-12 13:56 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-12 13:58 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' My mother used to put moth balls inthe flower bed, Bill Higdon > Electric wire 4 inches off the ground. tractor supply for the transformer > and insulators! > I like the mini14 best! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Glidden" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' > > > >I would go with the 410,but then I'm not a cat fan... _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:05:53 +0000 From: w.higdon9604@comcast.net Subject: Re: Réf. : Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' To: KRnet Message-ID: <051220051205.828.428346A10005B4ED0000033C2200737478CBCFC0C702010B090708D299@comcast.net> That's ok you should try "haversting" them 8>) > Mth balls, definitely. > > ...So the cat will come and say: > > - Oh my God! Look at what they did to the moths! > > and run away as fast as it can! > > (Sorry, could not resist) > > > > > > w.higdon9604@comcast.net > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net > 2005-05-12 13:56 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-05-12 13:58 > > > Pour : KRnet > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' > > > > My mother used to put moth balls inthe flower bed, > Bill Higdon > > > > Electric wire 4 inches off the ground. tractor supply for the > transformer > > and insulators! > > I like the mini14 best! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Glidden" > > To: "KRnet" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:08 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' > > > > > > >I would go with the 410,but then I'm not a cat fan... ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:07:28 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : RE: KR> final weight and balance To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, so far, the only satisfactory answer came from the Germans (Thielert). There are rumors that Toyota prepares something, too. B ut that would be aircraft + engine. Serge "Golden, Kevin" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-12 14:01 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-12 14:02 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> final weight and balance I have a Lycoming in a Tr2. I was heavily involved with the overhaul as I have rebuilt several engines in the last 20 years so I wanted to see how it was built. I was shocked to see how they were designed and put together. I am surprised any of them make it to TBO. We need modern engines for our planes. I keep thinking the Japanese will step in and get this done like they did to the car industry. There probably isn't enough profit in it for them. Oh well, fly what I have.... Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Robert L. Stone [mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:53 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance Mark, As you may or may not know Ken Rand was a good friend of mine when he was alive and we both lived two blocks apart in Huntington Beach, California. He used to call KR's that he considered over built "lead sleds". He also said many times "anything will fly with enough power". I personally believe that an aircraft should have an engine that was designed by competent engineers for aircraft. The best one of these I can think of is a Lycoming and if I had it to do over I would build a KR2S and for power, I would use a l25 horse power Lycoming. That would haul a pair of two hundred pound guys with a climb rate of at least 1500 feet per minute and with the right prop cruise in level flight would be about 215 mph. If you wanted to go to the expence of having both, an air adjustable pitch prop would do both. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:46 PM Subject: RE: KR> final weight and balance >I just put my plane on the Atkins diet!!!!! There are a lot of things I >could have done to save weight. My turtle deck is one area. It is about two >inches taller than stock and way too thick as are my wing skins. Also I >have a lot of unnecessary things like strobes, nav lights and landing >lights, electric speed brake, etc, etc... As I was building, I had one goal >in mind and that was to make a safe cross country flying machine. >Passengers will be few and far between as my wife will not even fly in >small spam cans. The kids are very light weight so when they fly with me >that will be no biggie. The nose gear adds a few more pounds as does the >aluminum wing tanks. I added 2 inches in front of the main spar to the >fuselage as well as widened it by 3 inches. Maybe a lighter battery would >help or I could ditch that heavy T&B indicator that I consider not needed >and replace it with a simple ball slip indicator. There are a lot of things >to lower the weight but I am happy with the plane the > > Mark Jones > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Mark Langford > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:34 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance > > > OZ wrote: > >> So... your airplane came in 39 lbs. lighter than Mark Jones'. > > I'm not exactly sure what it was that I left out, but hope it wasn't > important! All I can think of at the moment would be the kitchen sink. > There are several places where rethinking and redoing things (like the > airfoils) cost me some weight. I'm pretty sure I could build it 10-15 > pounds lighter next time around. But keep in mind that I have all the > nice > stuff like huge electric flaps, full electrical system, giant 130 > horsepower > engine, landing, nav lights, and strobes, redundant electrical system, two > fuel pumps, dual sticks, adjustable horizontal stabilizer, double-walled > wing skins, etc. It all adds up, I guess. I just weighed my wings and > they > are 48 pounds each, but keep in mind that all bellcranks, cables, and > connectors are part of my wings, rather than the airplane (like most other > KRs). But surely your average KR wing must be far less, especially > considering the size of my flaps, ailerons, and aileron counterweights. > > I've elaborated some more on the weight and balance at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/weightandbalance.html , and provided > links > to the spreadsheet and a pdf file of it for those who don't have Excel... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html *The information contained in this message may be confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is for the use of the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or copying of the information in this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.* _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:14:18 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> NON KR related - need some cat 'assistance' To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009e01c556ec$1f1b98a0$1ee21fd3@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We've got some stuff called "Puss off" over here. I think it's bottled dog fart. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:19:37 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Legal to carry passengers? To: "KR Net \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F3549DA85@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly passengers in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to flying passengers only in planes in which they are qualified and experienced. Currency and proficiency rules apply to those who take people for rides in their experimental aircraft and EAA says current pilots have until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have the necessary category and class ratings for the aircraft they fly. Those who always fly solo will not need to fly through the bureaucratic hoops. Under the new notice, which was issued April 21, affected pilots will have fill out a form and make sure their recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying passengers requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the category, class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in question between Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized flight instructor must make a logbook entry attesting to the pilot's proficiency with the aircraft and then the pilot must show the log to a designated pilot examiner or FAA Operations Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be issued restricting the pilot to flying that particular experimental aircraft (or any others for which he or she has done the paperwork). Mark Jones (N886MJ Wales, WI ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:32:33 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: RE: KR> engines To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20050512082551.01b91188@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:00 PM 5/11/2005, you wrote: >Speaking of certified engines, there is one gotcha I learned about that you >need to be aware of if you use one. > >When you use a certified engine in an experimental you are required to >comply with all the A.D.s. This is not correct. Your DAR was mistaken. When a certificated engine is installed in an experimental aircraft, ADs and service bulletins do not need to be complied with. There is one exception to this general rule and that is when a previously certificated engine is removed from an experimental and re-installed in a certificated airplane. In this case, all ADs must be in compliance. If your DAR raised (or raises) the issue, all you have to do is remove the data plate. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:36:31 -0400 From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: KR> Certified Engines To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <17102-42834DCF-2191@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Would an engine built out of certified parts, but without a name tag be considered a home made engine? That's what my engine will be. I started with an 0-200 crank and a spare case, milled and bored the case to accept a fuel pump, found a C-90 cam which has the lobe to drive the fuel pump (has the same lift & duration as an 0-200). Most other parts in it are from everything from C-85 to 0-300 (gears, rods, oil sump etc) The case I have has no name tag on it & I intend to leave it that way. I'll stamp something into the case where the tag should be that identifies it as a "JS-90-F" or something to that nature. It's for certain that this engine could never be used in a certified plane. Best that ever could be done with it would be to tear it down and use some of the parts, and they would have to be inspected and certified by the overhauling shop. Hence complying with any AD's before becoming "certified parts" I'll probably do the same with all the accessories as well. That way... no AD's should be applicable. Of course, complying with something that would be serious or life threating would be something I'd want to do anyway, but I'd want to make that decision. John Sickafoose EAA Technical counselor Naples, Fl ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 189 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================