From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 209 Date: 5/25/2005 3:29:35 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: airspeed indicator calibration...not good! (Barry Kruyssen) 2. Belly Borad and Linear Actuator (Barry Kruyssen) 3. R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> WAF application? (Serge VIDAL) 4. R?f. : KR> Fuel gauge mystery (Serge VIDAL) 5. Belly Board Location (JIM VANCE) 6. spars needed for Bob Lester's airplane! (Mark Langford) 7. R?f. : KR> spars needed for Bob Lester's airplane! (Serge VIDAL) 8. Re: airspeed calibration (Mark Langford) 9. spars needed for Bob Lester's airplane! (Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO) 10. Weight (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 11. R?f. : KR> Re: airspeed calibration (Serge VIDAL) 12. R?f. : KR> Weight (Serge VIDAL) 13. Re: Weight (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 14. Re: Weight (Joseph H. Horton) 15. R?f. : Re: KR> Weight (Serge VIDAL) 16. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Weight (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 17. R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Weight (Serge VIDAL) 18. weight (Don Chisholm) 19. Re: weight (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 20. accident (Ray Fuenzalida) 21. Weight/ugly???? (larry flesner) 22. Re: accident (larry flesner) 23. Re: kr retract gear mods and angled blocks (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 24. welding retract gear (phil brookman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:17:37 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> airspeed indicator calibration...not good! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00bb01c560e0$b11b3be0$f400a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thnaks for that Mark, that is realy usefull to know how to check an ASI. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/airspeed_calibration/ for details. I'm also swapping out the static system, so I think I'll be in business by this weekend... ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:23:46 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: KR> Belly Borad and Linear Actuator To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <018101c560e9$ee5d8540$f400a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi I have found a linear actualtou for my belly board from http://www.linak.com the Model is a LA12, 130mm stroke and 750 N thrust (I think that is about 205 lbs) Any advice is welcome. Also where do I mount my belly board? I want to mount it behinf the main spar to get maximum ground clearance. Thanks Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:26:57 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> WAF application? To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's crystal clear. Thanks. I was thinking myself of putting some sort of spacer between the inner and outer WAFs in order to limit any motion, but thinking of it, I would waste my time. Serge "Mark Langford" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-24 19:29 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-24 19:29 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> WAF application? Imagine doing it by the plans, and going ahead and mounting the WAFs to the ends of the center spars. Now just slide the outer spars right up in contact with the center spars before you intsall the WAFs. I'd bevel the ends just to make them mate nicely. Then just put the WAFs in place and start drilling holes (using a jig, or course). After the two big 3/8" holes are drilled through the wood (because they are no longer out in space), remove the WAFs and open them up enough for some 4130 tubing sleeves the thickness of the spars and T-88 them in place. That keeps the wood from crushing when you torque the WAF main attach bolts. It reduces parts count by having one bolt all the way through, rather than two bolts (one on forward side, one on aft side). That's where the single/double shear thing comes in. There might be a better variation of the method....but the above description should give you the idea of what Jerry is asking, I think. I'm not saying anybody should do it this way, but I'll study it closer and probably build my next one in a similar manner... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:39:26 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Fuel gauge mystery To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim, It's comforting to hear that I'm not the only one battling with an issue that is, in theory, so simple. Today, my biggest problem is that I have to give the top tube some slack, because I have to rig it to a L-shaped connector that is fitted itself to the the panel. What I will do is install a guide of some sort, to make sure that tube stays at the top. Serge "JIM VANCE" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-25 03:29 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-25 03:31 Pour : "krnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Fuel gauge mystery Serge, I installed sight tubes on my Renegade and on my KR. The tubes from the tank to the sight gauge must be fairly straight. If they have a loop in them, there will be a siphon effect that will make it hang up until the head gets great enough to overcome it. It took me quite a while to get it to work right. It's especially important that the top of the gauge is vented to above the fuel line in the tank. Any pressure differential will make for an error. Jim Vance in Kansas, USA Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 06:18:00 -0500 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> Belly Board Location To: "krnet" Message-ID: <003801c5611b$6a106dc0$0100007f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The further forward you locate the board, the more unstable it will be. Placing it forward of the center of gravity--like the main spar--would be like putting the feathers on the head of an arrow. I hinged my board from just below the rear spar. My board is only 9 inches high, but given the reports by those using them, it should be adequate. Jim Vance, Claflin, KS Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:45:45 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> spars needed for Bob Lester's airplane! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <020401c56127$ab7d46a0$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Forwarding this from Bill Clapp: A few weeks ago I left a message - looking for stock KR2 spars (centers would be nice too) and somebody in Jaxsonville FL had a set. Can you contact me at 229-834-8996 if you have a set available for sale or as a gift. I am trying to get a set for Bob Lester who destroyed his wing last week. We are pulling the center damaged spars out today and can build new ones but if somebody has a set it would save time and hassle. If you contact Steve Makish at SRMAKISH@aol.com and he can call me as well. I will be driving from Miami to Georgia this week and can stop by and pick up if close by otherwise I can fly my plane to wherever anybody has them and pick them up. This would be much appreciated by myself and Bob Lester. We would like to see him back in the air soon. His back was hurt in the accident but he is just on pain meds until he feels better. His body will be fine - just have to keep his spirits up and nothing helps more than working on your plane - right! Bill Clapp N41768 175 hours and counting.. ---------------------------------- I talked to both Bill and Bob the other night, and Bill is helping Bob get started putting his plane back together. Bill said he might stop by here on Saturday and give me some dual in his KR2S, so I might just be a little better pilot by Sunday. And I have a new ASI on order... Mark ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:54:08 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> spars needed for Bob Lester's airplane! To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, Which ASI did you settle for? By the way, good job on the calibration Web page! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Mark Langford" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-25 14:45 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-25 14:45 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> spars needed for Bob Lester's airplane! Forwarding this from Bill Clapp: A few weeks ago I left a message - looking for stock KR2 spars (centers would be nice too) and somebody in Jaxsonville FL had a set. Can you contact me at 229-834-8996 if you have a set available for sale or as a gift. I am trying to get a set for Bob Lester who destroyed his wing last week. We are pulling the center damaged spars out today and can build new ones but if somebody has a set it would save time and hassle. If you contact Steve Makish at SRMAKISH@aol.com and he can call me as well. I will be driving from Miami to Georgia this week and can stop by and pick up if close by otherwise I can fly my plane to wherever anybody has them and pick them up. This would be much appreciated by myself and Bob Lester. We would like to see him back in the air soon. His back was hurt in the accident but he is just on pain meds until he feels better. His body will be fine - just have to keep his spirits up and nothing helps more than working on your plane - right! Bill Clapp N41768 175 hours and counting.. ---------------------------------- I talked to both Bill and Bob the other night, and Bill is helping Bob get started putting his plane back together. Bill said he might stop by here on Saturday and give me some dual in his KR2S, so I might just be a little better pilot by Sunday. And I have a new ASI on order... Mark _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:11:43 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> Re: airspeed calibration To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <021e01c5612b$4c008e40$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Serge wrote: > Which ASI did you settle for? I'm almost too embarrased to answer that question. Last night I'd decided to go with a $422 TSO'd version (I got zero input from anybody) based on nothing more than the fact that it was TSO'd. But then I noticed Vans is selling the cheapo UMA with markings installed and started wondering if maybe they weren't so bad after all, so I ordered one from AS&S (after gaining assurances that I could return it with no restocking fee if it's not accurate). The number is 10-02870 and it's about $143. If it's not accurate, I'm returning it and ordering a TSO'd one. I just heard from John Martindale that he bought the same UMA as I did, at the same timeframe (7 years ago), and that there was a whole rash of bad ones at the time! Maybe I'll be luckier this time. Thanks for the comment on the calibration website. That link that I provided to the EAA 1000 website had a few pages of calculations that I muddled through for two hours before I finally gave up. Although I sucessfully calculated my pressure altitude to about 8 significant figures (never mind that my altitude came from a GPS that was plus or minus a few feet) I had an absolute pressure of 11,0000 psi or something. So I dug around on the web and found the numbers that I posted, and they matched the numbers in Jim Wier's Kitplanes article. His method was a little more cumbersome, so I guess I improved on it slightly. You can do this same test without even taking the ASI out of the plane. Just hook the tubing to your pitot tube. It doesn't mean your whole pitot/static system is checked, but it'll give you an idea of how accurate your ASI is. Although I don't know diddley about flying KRs yet, I DO know that an accurate indication of airspeed is vital for first flights if you are not an experienced KR pilot! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:37:13 -0500 From: Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO Subject: KR> spars needed for Bob Lester's airplane! To: "KRNET (krnet@mylist.net)" Message-ID: <200505251337.j4PDbEIK006623@phantom1.region4.ang.af.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Did they ever say what caused the engine to run ruff?? Eric Pitts Terre Haute Indiana KR2S ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:40:58 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Weight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c5612f$62ddfe00$4b639445@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kr-Netters, When I make it to the Gathering in my KR2S, I may not only give Larry Flesner some real competition in the "ugliest" department, but also in the weight department. Her is what I am talking about (weight wise). Yesterday, I weighted my KR2S using bathroom scales, just to get an idea of my weight. The two mains weighed 350# and the Tail, 30#. Yes, I,m puzzled too. This included engine and most engine access- ories. I estimate that I need to add 50# to the engine weight for battery, cowling, prop, firewall attachments, and 10# for instruments, wiring etc., and 10# in the cockpit, and 10# for paint, etc. Okay, that,s 80# and 380# = 460#. That's still light. Am I doing something wrong? I believe the bathroom scales to be accurate to 5#. Any comments? Ray Goree "raybeth123@sbcglobal.net" Ray Goree 817-795-4779 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:46:39 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Re: airspeed calibration To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Embarrassment? Hell, that KR thing of us is making us embarrassed for one reason or another every single day! Luckily, we have days of pride to balance that. On my second flight with the new engine, Norman Stapelberg was helping me, and we were in a big hurry to test that engine (bad start, always!). So, I did the pre-flight while he was still fiddling with the engine. Somehow, I ended up forgetting the pitot cover. I realized that when it was too late to brake, so I took off, switched the GPS on, and started working on the GPS ground speed. Normally, I could have landed my KR2 with no instruments at all, because I knew the correct attitude and engine noise. But this was a new engine. And the 2.4 liter was much more powerful than the previous 2.0 liter, so I battled to get my approach speed right. At the same idling speed and with the same propeller, the engine pulls harder, which is something I can't understand. On the second attempt, I corrected the speed by a mere 5 Kts, and it changed the whole picture. So, you're right. Accurate and reliable airspeed indication is critical with a KR2, ESPECIALLY during flight testing. Then, the engine died during the landing roll, as soon as the airspeed bled. Wouldn't idle. These air cooled engines have a different behaviour when hot, and it was probably running too lean. lessons learnt: 1 - Never hurry to fly, especially for flight tests 2 - Run your engine for a long period before the first flight, until it is as hot as it will be at the end of a normal flight, to make sure that it still works fine at all RPMs when hot. 3 - For good measure, also set your carb fairly rich. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Mark Langford" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-05-25 15:11 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-25 15:12 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Re: airspeed calibration Serge wrote: > Which ASI did you settle for? I'm almost too embarrased to answer that question. Last night I'd decided to go with a $422 TSO'd version (I got zero input from anybody) based on nothing more than the fact that it was TSO'd. But then I noticed Vans is selling the cheapo UMA with markings installed and started wondering if maybe they weren't so bad after all, so I ordered one from AS&S (after gaining assurances that I could return it with no restocking fee if it's not accurate). The number is 10-02870 and it's about $143. If it's not accurate, I'm returning it and ordering a TSO'd one. I just heard from John Martindale that he bought the same UMA as I did, at the same timeframe (7 years ago), and that there was a whole rash of bad ones at the time! Maybe I'll be luckier this time. Thanks for the comment on the calibration website. That link that I provided to the EAA 1000 website had a few pages of calculations that I muddled through for two hours before I finally gave up. Although I sucessfully calculated my pressure altitude to about 8 significant figures (never mind that my altitude came from a GPS that was plus or minus a few feet) I had an absolute pressure of 11,0000 psi or something. So I dug around on the web and found the numbers that I posted, and they matched the numbers in Jim Wier's Kitplanes article. His method was a little more cumbersome, so I guess I improved on it slightly. You can do this same test without even taking the ASI out of the plane. Just hook the tubing to your pitot tube. It doesn't mean your whole pitot/static system is checked, but it'll give you an idea of how accurate your ASI is. Although I don't know diddley about flying KRs yet, I DO know that an accurate indication of airspeed is vital for first flights if you are not an experienced KR pilot! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:48:55 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Weight To: raybeth123@sbcglobal.net, KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Stupid question probably, but were the mains 350 each or together? Serge Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-25 15:40 Veuillez répondre à raybeth123; Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-25 15:41 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Weight Kr-Netters, When I make it to the Gathering in my KR2S, I may not only give Larry Flesner some real competition in the "ugliest" department, but also in the weight department. Her is what I am talking about (weight wise). Yesterday, I weighted my KR2S using bathroom scales, just to get an idea of my weight. The two mains weighed 350# and the Tail, 30#. Yes, I,m puzzled too. This included engine and most engine access- ories. I estimate that I need to add 50# to the engine weight for battery, cowling, prop, firewall attachments, and 10# for instruments, wiring etc., and 10# in the cockpit, and 10# for paint, etc. Okay, that,s 80# and 380# = 460#. That's still light. Am I doing something wrong? I believe the bathroom scales to be accurate to 5#. Any comments? Ray Goree "raybeth123@sbcglobal.net" Ray Goree 817-795-4779 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:06:39 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Weight To: raybeth123@sbcglobal.net,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050525.100651.3884.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wAS THAT IN A LEVEL FLIGHT ATTITUDE?? vIRG On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:40:58 -0500 writes: > Kr-Netters, > When I make it to the Gathering in my KR2S, I may not only > give Larry Flesner > some real competition in the "ugliest" department, but also in the > weight department. > Her is what I am talking about (weight wise). Yesterday, I > weighted my KR2S > using bathroom scales, just to get an idea of my weight. The two > mains weighed 350# > and the Tail, 30#. Yes, I,m puzzled too. This included engine and > most engine access- > ories. I estimate that I need to add 50# to the engine weight for > battery, cowling, prop, > firewall attachments, and 10# for instruments, wiring etc., and 10# > in the cockpit, and 10# > for paint, etc. Okay, that,s 80# and 380# = 460#. That's still > light. Am I doing something > wrong? I believe the bathroom scales to be accurate to 5#. Any > comments? > > Ray Goree > > "raybeth123@sbcglobal.net" > > Ray Goree > 817-795-4779 > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:41:51 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> Weight To: raybeth123@sbcglobal.net,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050525.104151.2236.6.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tough question with out a picture. One thing that I know for sure is that the bathroom scales become less and less accurate above 200#. If you did not put a spreader board on the top of the scale it pinches the spring inside and gives very wrong answers (although consistent). I also just finished painting and have about 3gal of primer, color, and clear coat. They are at least 12# per gal. I do a weight and balance next week and I'm betting on 750# Good luck, Joe Horton On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:40:58 -0500 writes: > Kr-Netters, > When I make it to the Gathering in my KR2S, I may not only > give Larry Flesner > some real competition in the "ugliest" department, but also in the > weight department. > Her is what I am talking about (weight wise). Yesterday, I > weighted my KR2S > using bathroom scales, just to get an idea of my weight. The two > mains weighed 350# > and the Tail, 30#. Yes, I,m puzzled too. This included engine and > most engine access- > ories. I estimate that I need to add 50# to the engine weight for > battery, cowling, prop, > firewall attachments, and 10# for instruments, wiring etc., and 10# > in the cockpit, and 10# > for paint, etc. Okay, that,s 80# and 380# = 460#. That's still > light. Am I doing something > wrong? I believe the bathroom scales to be accurate to 5#. Any > comments? > > Ray Goree > > "raybeth123@sbcglobal.net" > > Ray Goree > 817-795-4779 > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:20:58 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Weight To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The only thing I can think of is a mis-reading of the weight on the mains. Did you do one wheel at a time? In that case, did you make sure the wheels are level while measuring? Serge Vidal ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:40:59 -0500 From: Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Weight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002b01c56140$2843a450$4b639445@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes, Serge, I did put a 2x4 (1.6 inches thick) under the other wheel when I made the measurement to "keep"it level but I did not do this when I measured the tail. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Weight > The only thing I can think of is a mis-reading of the weight on the > mains. Did you do one wheel at a time? In that case, did you make sure > the wheels are level while measuring? > > Serge Vidal > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:48:18 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Weight To: raybeth123@sbcglobal.net, KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Then, I havent got a clue. Unless you inflated the tyres with helium? ;- ) Maybe you're just the best builder of us . Serge Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-05-25 17:40 Veuillez répondre à raybeth123; Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-25 17:41 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Weight Yes, Serge, I did put a 2x4 (1.6 inches thick) under the other wheel when I made the measurement to "keep"it level but I did not do this when I measured the tail. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Weight > The only thing I can think of is a mis-reading of the weight on the mains. > Did you do one wheel at a time? In that case, did you make sure the wheels > are level while measuring? > > Serge Vidal > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> weight To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050525162801.8036.qmail@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what will determine how heavy it will be is how well your initial fibreglass work is and how well finished you want it ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:50:56 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> weight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004001c56152$4e0944d0$4b639445@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Don, Thanks for your reply. My turtledeck is .06 Hoop Pine plywwood and it and all the fuselage are covered with one layer of 6 oz. and 1 layer of 11/2 oz fiberglass cloth. I added the 11/2 oz to give a smoother surface to prime and finish. I will determine how many layers of paint after I have flown my 40 hours. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Chisholm" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:28 AM Subject: KR> weight > what will determine how heavy it will be > is how well your initial fibreglass work is and how > well finished you want it > info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: KR> accident To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050525185626.84354.qmail@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Guys, Will need to check out the FAA reports, but in the Sunday Times Picayune there was a report of a KR-2 fatality in Louisiana. Specifically, the article said that a pilot was killed when his single engine plane crashed a mile south of the South Lafourche airport in Galliano on Saturday afternoon. They did not release his identity pending notification of next of kin. Sheriff Webre said the plane had just taken off from the airport when the accident occurred at about 4:00 p.m. The KR-2 experimental airplane has a wing span of 20 feet. An FAA investigative team will view the crash site this morning, Sheriff Webre said. I am in New Orleans and do not know any KR builders south of me. Was this person ever on the net? Does anybody know him? Will see what I can find out. Hate to see this kind of news. Ray New Orleans --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:53:56 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Weight/ugly???? To: raybeth123@sbcglobal.net,KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050525165356.008c9c40@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Kr-Netters, > When I make it to the Gathering in my KR2S, I may not only give Larry Flesner >some real competition in the "ugliest" department, but also in the weight department. >Ray Goree +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hey, Ray, what do you mean calling my baby UGLY??? :-) :-) My baby should have ribbons in her hair by Gathering time. I have a set of 500X5 wheels/brakes/etc ready to install and my Van's new style wheel pants should be delivered tomorrow. I also have vinyl stripes (6"X 138") that I will be putting on the fuselage after I do a repaint of my left wing, cowl, and wheel pants. I've been having too much fun flying (140 hours now) to take it out of service to finish it up. As to your weight, Ken Rand's KR weighed 480 pounds and it was really bare bones. Get a good set of scales and make sure everything is level when you do the weigh-in. Anyone that can put a KR on the line at 550 pounds or less has really accomplished something in my opinion. I was shooting for 650 pounds, would have been happy at 700,and finally came in at 765!! Were you intending to say 350 +350 + 30 = 730 pounds at this point? Keep us posted......... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:03:46 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> accident To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050525170346.008c8a60@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:56 AM 5/25/05 -0700, you wrote: >Hello Guys, >Will need to check out the FAA reports, but in the Sunday Times Picayune there was a report of a KR-2 fatality in Louisiana. >Ray +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following is copied from the FAA data base for the KR involved in the crash. I can't confirm that any of this info is correct. Larry Flesner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- N-number : N684LM Aircraft Serial Number : 7713 Aircraft Manufacturer : MILLER MONTE M Model : RAND ROBINSON KR-2 Engine Manufacturer : VOLKSWAGEN Model : CONVERSION Aircraft Year : 1993 Owner Name : WISE JOSEPH D Owner Address : 1207 RUTH DR LONGVIEW, TX, 75601-4858 Type of Owner : Individual Registration Date : 20-Mar-1999 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental Approved Operations : Amateur Built ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:11:23 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> kr retract gear mods and angled blocks To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050525.181123.652.7.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please! Virg On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:07:22 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > Virg wrote: > > May Virgil also recieve the FIX ??? > > Get from RR. : ) > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:29:57 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: KR> welding retract gear To: Message-ID: <009601c56179$48569ca0$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" can the retract gear be welded tig or something i intend to raise that plane to ge tthe thing out of ground effect that way i can think about landing it safely want to weld on the top braqcket another 4-6 inches , this goes under the spring bat btw. it will also put some weight onthat light tail wont retract any more but no problem i will just fair it in p -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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