From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 2 Date: 1/2/2005 8:59:11 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Avgas cost (Steve Glover) 2. RE: N Number req for Registration (Dan Heath) 3. pulsar and kr in flight (Flymaca711689@aol.com) 4. RE: N Number req for Registration (Brian Kraut) 5. Avgas cost (Kevin Jarvis) 6. Re: Avgas cost (Richard Green) 7. Re: Avgas cost (Al Friesen) 8. Re: Avgas cost (Joachim Saupe) 9. Fuel (Robert L. Stone) 10. RE: Control surface failure. (Eduardo Iglesias) 11. Fuel $ (Kevin Jarvis) 12. RE: Fuel (Brian Kraut) 13. Re: Fuel (Randy Smith ) 14. RE: Avgas cost (Stephen Jacobs) 15. Re: Fuel $ (larry flesner) 16. landing gear (John Esch) 17. Fuel $ (Kevin Jarvis) 18. Grove gear (Brian Kraut) 19. Re: Fuel $ (Randy Smith ) 20. RE: Grove gear (Brian Kraut) 21. Re: Fuel $ (John & Elaine Roffey) 22. Re: Grove gear (larry severson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:06:15 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> Avgas cost To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Today, I paid $2.80 a gallon. I paid $2.50 at Corona (AJO) today and gave a young man of 7 his first ever airplane ride. He had a smile embossed on his face that had "Yeeee Hawww!!!" all over it. Maybe another KR guy in the works... He said he couldn't wait for school to start to tell all his friends. Happy New Year to all! Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 05:34:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> N Number req for Registration To: "krnet@mylist.net" Cc: Jerry Message-ID: <41D7CE4B.000006.00488@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I have looked over forms 8050-88 (Registration) and 8050-88 (Verification of Ownership) that Larry F. was so kind to provide for us at the last gathering. They are very simple and short. The only thing that I am assuming, because I cannot find it "spelled out" anywhere, is that for a "plans built" ("More that 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous parts and I am the owner." ), that there is NOT a requirement for a bill of sale, because there is none. I have already reserved N64KR, for the last 3 years and am renewing it now, on line. I assume, there I go again, that I only send them the $5. Maybe I should attach a note to advise them that I have the number reserved, or will they know that? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:32:06 EST From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: KR> pulsar and kr in flight To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <81.1e346b15.2f0951d6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" HI all happy new year. yesterday i was lucky and was able to fly my hanger mates XP pulsar i was not disappointed it fly's just like my Kr in pitch and roll. we were at 100 over gross and it just jumps in to the air the 912 rotex very smooth with reserve of power. plus side of the XP is the large flaps that is the only thing that i noticed different from mine he didn't have to work as hard as i do to make a short field landing mine has no flaps or belly board. i hope some of you got to fly for the new year it was great to fly both aircraft yesterday weather was unreal 69 deg f in Washington DC nice start to the new year ! mac n1055a ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:54:59 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> N Number req for Registration To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I registered the Stang about a month ago. I just put the N number on the 8050 and sent it in and got my registration form a few weeks later, no bill of sale. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:35 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: Jerry Subject: RE: KR> N Number req for Registration Well, I have looked over forms 8050-88 (Registration) and 8050-88 (Verification of Ownership) that Larry F. was so kind to provide for us at the last gathering. They are very simple and short. The only thing that I am assuming, because I cannot find it "spelled out" anywhere, is that for a "plans built" ("More that 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous parts and I am the owner." ), that there is NOT a requirement for a bill of sale, because there is none. I have already reserved N64KR, for the last 3 years and am renewing it now, on line. I assume, there I go again, that I only send them the $5. Maybe I should attach a note to advise them that I have the number reserved, or will they know that? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:58:49 -0500 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> Avgas cost To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <41D81A39.1000007@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Here is sunny S. Florida at Naples all fuel is sold by the Naples Airport Authority. If you can afford to keep $5,000 in your fuel account you will get a discount. Posted price: Discount price 100 oct 2.98 2.59 Jet A 3.37 2.61 For Ottumwa, Iowa 100 oct 3.10cash 3.25cc Jet A 3.09cash 3.25cc You can look at http://www.airnav.com scroll down near the bottom of an airport listing and some have their fuel prices posted, but exercise caution some may be outdated. Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Green Subject: Re: KR> Avgas cost To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050102180117.10144.qmail@web81609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii in Dallas, RBD is FS SS 100LL $2.85 $2.37 Jet A $2.28 --- Kevin Jarvis wrote:Here is sunny S. Florida at Naples all fuel is sold by the Naples Airport Authority. If you can afford to keep $5,000 in your fuel account you will get a discount. Posted price: Discount price 100 oct 2.98 2.59 Jet A 3.37 2.61 For Ottumwa, Iowa 100 oct 3.10cash 3.25cc Jet A 3.09cash 3.25cc You can look at http://www.airnav.com scroll down near the bottom of an airport listing and some have their fuel prices posted, but exercise caution some may be outdated. Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:17:51 -0800 From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> Avgas cost To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c4f0ff$c0f73650$bb87d8cf@alk1e9f7i3pcg3> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Netters, HAPPY AND SAFE NEW YEAR TO ALL. Here in Creston, BC., Canada we are paying $1.03 liter x 4.55 that is $4.68 per imperial gal. Ouch!!!!!!!!!!! Al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:43:22 -0600 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: Re: KR> Avgas cost To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200510218432293@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII That's Canadian $s isn't it? The formula would be $ 1.03 liter x 3.6 = $ 3.708 Canadian per Gallon. Not bad! Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Al Friesen > To: KRnet > Date: 1/2/2005 1:17:51 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Avgas cost > > Netters, > HAPPY AND SAFE NEW YEAR TO ALL. > Here in Creston, BC., Canada we are paying $1.03 liter x 4.55 that is $4.68 > per imperial gal. Ouch!!!!!!!!!!! Al > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:53:31 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> Fuel To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: <009701c4f104$bc8ac230$a624c944@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just to show you what a variation there is in pricing here compared to other places. Gas for cars is $l.66.9 here in Central Texas (Average) and in Statesville, North Carolina where I go every six months it's the same price. But aviation fuel that is 100 octane low lead is $2.46 here and at the Statesville airport it's $3.46. Bob Sstone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:20:54 -0300 From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Subject: RE: KR> Control surface failure. To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <200501021724687.SM01256@iglesias> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Harold Amazing! I believe that I could not usually breathe until your landing. Congratulations for your serenity and use of non conventional means. My best desires. Eduardo --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:14:37 -0500 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> Fuel $ To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <41D8724D.1080508@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Just to show you how much markup there is at the pump, we get a fax every Tuesday from a broker that we buy bulk Jet A fuel from. The fax has the price for the next 7 days. We order through this broker, he orders from another middleman, who in turn orders from the supplier. We order a tanker load at a time, around 7,500 gallons or so. That limit is based upon highway weight restrictions and temperature of the fuel. In Michigan we might be able to order over 30,000 gallons brought by one truck. due to the higher allowed highway weights. Last Tuesday our Jet A cost including all taxes and including about $250 transportation costs was $ 1.669 per gallon for a tanker load. An additional 2 cents per gallon is added for anti-ice additive that some, not all, jets need. We have tried to reduce the middleman by a factor of just one to no avail. Over the past 6 years each time we needed a load of fuel our check of 3-4 brokers for the best price has never shown a difference of more than 1/2 cents per gallon. Everyone is on the same page there. About 7-8 years ago a rep for a supplier told me that I could estimate the dealer cost of 100 Low Lead by looking at the pump price of the lowest grade car gas in the area. If the lowest price car gas was $ .88 per gallon then that is what the dealer was paying for 100 oct. Using the same formula today for Iowa, car gas is $ 1.61 and 100 oct is selling for $3.10 so maybe the market up is over a dollar a gallon now. Like the commercial says, " Flying your own KR..... priceless " Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:55:33 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Fuel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is not just what state you are in. There is usually a huge difference just among your local airports. You don't realize this until you are not renting a plane and you start looking at different airports. We have two airports ten miles away with usually at least a fifty cent difference per gallon. The flight schools at the more expensive airports really take it hard because they usually get topped off at home by every other person that uses the plane. I make it a habit when I rent and I happen to stop on the way back at a cheap gas airport to top it off and turn in the receipt. They are pretty appreciative when I put in 20 gallons and save them ten bucks. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:54 PM To: KR Builders Pilots Subject: KR> Fuel Just to show you what a variation there is in pricing here compared to other places. Gas for cars is $l.66.9 here in Central Texas (Average) and in Statesville, North Carolina where I go every six months it's the same price. But aviation fuel that is 100 octane low lead is $2.46 here and at the Statesville airport it's $3.46. Bob Sstone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:18:39 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> Fuel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006d01c4f121$650a86e0$9af97444@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original We buy fuel from the supplier at 1000 gal. at a time and last purchase 12/15/2003 it was $1.85 a gal. this is in the N texas area. (north Dallas) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" To: "KR Builders Pilots" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: KR> Fuel > Just to show you what a variation there is in pricing here > compared to other places. Gas for cars is $l.66.9 here in Central > Texas (Average) and in Statesville, North Carolina where I go every > six months it's the same price. But aviation fuel that is 100 octane > low lead is $2.46 here and at the Statesville airport it's $3.46. > > Bob Sstone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:22:33 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Avgas cost To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000b01c4f121$f9a6a7c0$c064a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am starting to feel a whole lot better about the fuel prices in Zambia (Africa). About the same as BC - hovers around US$1.00 per liter - maybe 0.05 one way or the other - close to $4/ US gal. Car fuel is generally about the same as Avgas, so no point in bothering. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 18:02:50 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Fuel $ To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050102180250.0081ae60@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We >order a tanker load at a time, around 7,500 gallons or so. That limit >is based upon highway weight restrictions and temperature of the fuel. >In Michigan we might be able to order over 30,000 gallons brought by one >truck. due to the higher allowed highway weights. > >Kevin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 30,000 gal seems a bit high for any state to allow. You're looking at 180,000 pounds of fuel ! Generally, 80,000 pounds gross is the highway limit. With the rig (semi tanker) at 27 to 30K that leaves you with the 7500 gal +/- capacity, depending on temp and load balance. You have to distribute the weight correctly across all axles. Anyway, if I weren't paying $1.70 for auto fuel at the local service station, I'd be throttling back to 2300 or 2400 rpm when I'm flying. Now I open the throttle for takeoff and pull it back to land. :-) I managed to get in a full days work on the KR annual yesterday and I'm about half finished. Tires rotated, brakes and gear inspected and serviced, tailwheel inspected and serviced, one wing cleaned and inspected, belly and speed brake cleaned and inspected, all lights cleaned and inspected. I had just changed oil and filter and had the prop off to rotate one bolt hole so I'm marking those items off the list. Fuselage interior (full length), left wing, and engine should finish it up. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:01:12 -0800 From: "John Esch" Subject: KR> landing gear To: Message-ID: <001301c4f12f$b8b20d50$6401a8c0@VAIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All Would anyone have any Diehl landing gear they want to sell? John Esch KR-2SSW Independence, OR (7S5) ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:21:37 -0500 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> Fuel $ To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <41D89E21.1080408@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Larry said: 30,000 gal seems a bit high for any state to allow. You're looking at 180,000 pounds of fuel ! Generally, 80,000 pounds gross is the highway limit. With the rig (semi tanker) at 27 to 30K that leaves you with the 7500 gal +/- capacity, depending on temp and load balance. You have to distribute the weight correctly across all axles. Larry, When I lived in the Detroit area, over that 12 year span there were several accidents on the freeways involving the double tankers that reportedly carried 30-40k gallons of fuel. When they lit off it made a very big fire for a long time. You can see that these tankers are much larger than those used in other states, they are more of a vertical oval, like so " 0 ", using the added height to carry more. I was amazed the first time that I saw one, there are 42 tires on the ground, with only the steering axle having 2 tires, with 10 axles of 4 tires each. They look like a caterpillar worm with wheels. I've seen the same axle setup on lowboy trailers that carried steel and I saw one that had the center section of a M1-A1 tank. Even with all that support those trailers were bowed in the middle. Another innovation of such a heavy industrialized state was the longer length. There were semi trucks with 3 full sized trailers on behind them. They would only run the interstate with the long rigs. UPS was one company that used them a lot. add up these weights... the Mich statutes say: MVC 257.722 Maximum loads shall not exceed the number of pounds in the following provisions: * 18,000 pounds on an axle with at least 9 feet of spacing on each side NOTE: Weight can not exceed 700 pounds per inch of the width of the tire ("width" means as published by the manufacturer) * 13,000 pounds per axle when axle spacing is less than 9 feet between two axles but more than 3.5 feet * Axles less than 3.5 feet apart shall not exceed 9,000 pounds per axle Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:33:47 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Grove gear To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know how long it takes to retrofit a retract gear KR with Diehl gear. Can anyone give me an idea on how long it takes to put on a set of Grove gear? I know about how long it will take to remove the retracts, fix the holes in the wing, and install the wheels and brakes once the new gear is on. I am looking for a guestimated time for actually attaching the Grove to the plane. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:35:10 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> Fuel $ To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009001c4f145$3bbdd2f0$9af97444@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original When I was driving they were called trains. they were loaded with axles from front to rear about every 10 ft. 3 and 4 trailers 180.000 pounds nothing up there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fuel $ > We >>order a tanker load at a time, around 7,500 gallons or so. That limit >>is based upon highway weight restrictions and temperature of the fuel. >>In Michigan we might be able to order over 30,000 gallons brought by >>one truck. due to the higher allowed highway weights. >> >>Kevin > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > 30,000 gal seems a bit high for any state to allow. You're looking at > 180,000 pounds of fuel ! Generally, 80,000 pounds gross is the > highway limit. With the rig (semi tanker) at 27 to 30K that leaves > you with the 7500 gal +/- capacity, depending on temp and load > balance. You have to distribute the weight correctly across all > axles. > > Anyway, if I weren't paying $1.70 for auto fuel at the local service > station, I'd be throttling back to 2300 or 2400 rpm when I'm flying. > Now I open the throttle for takeoff and pull it back to land. :-) > > I managed to get in a full days work on the KR annual yesterday and > I'm about half finished. Tires rotated, brakes and gear inspected and > serviced, tailwheel inspected and serviced, one wing cleaned and > inspected, belly and speed brake cleaned and inspected, all lights > cleaned and inspected. I had just changed oil and filter and had the > prop off to rotate one bolt hole so I'm marking those items off the > list. Fuselage interior (full length), left wing, and engine should > finish it up. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:36:01 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Grove gear To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, and would anyone happen to have a Set of one piece Grove gear for sale? Contact me at brian@engalt.com. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:34 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Grove gear I know how long it takes to retrofit a retract gear KR with Diehl gear. Can anyone give me an idea on how long it takes to put on a set of Grove gear? I know about how long it will take to remove the retracts, fix the holes in the wing, and install the wheels and brakes once the new gear is on. I am looking for a guestimated time for actually attaching the Grove to the plane. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:32:35 -0500 From: "John & Elaine Roffey" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel $ To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <004101c4f144$ded6b660$1596e504@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Jarvis" To: Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: KR> Fuel $ > Kevin, you "used to" live in the Detroit area? Where are you now? John Roffey Fort Gratiot MI. > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:29:45 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Grove gear To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050102202024.020d2fb8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:33 PM 1/2/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I know how long it takes to retrofit a retract gear KR with Diehl gear. >Can anyone give me an idea on how long it takes to put on a set of >Grove gear? The gear will have to be streamlined and hydraulic lines installed prior to glassing for reinforcement (about 2 days prior to installation in wing). After the gear glass is dry, you will have to drill and mount/flox the wheel and gear/spar mount attachments (2-4 hours)and reinstall it with glass reinforcement. While the glass on the gear is drying, you will have to cut out the leading edge. At that point, you have to drill the spar for the gear mounting and install the gear. With your skill, and the ability to keep the area above 70 degrees, you can probably get done in 1-2 days. It took me a week. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 2 ************************************* ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================