From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 22 Date: 1/16/2005 6:14:53 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: carb heat/air box stuff (Ron Smith) 2. question about station "D" (Ron Smith) 3. Harmonic Balancer (Mark Jones) 4. Aileron pulley bracket (Serge VIDAL) 5. Aileron bell crank assembly (Serge VIDAL) 6. Aviation oil, 50 weight (Robert L. Stone) 7. Re: Aviation oil, 50 weight (larry flesner) 8. Re: Aviation oil, 50 weight (Brant Hollensbe) 9. Re: Aviation oil, 50 weight (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 10. Aviation Oil (Linda Warner) 11. unsubscribe please (SkyVisionSC@aol.com) 12. Oil (Colin & Bev Rainey) 13. Oil (JIM VANCE) 14. bad news from the DAR (Lee Van Dyke) 15. Re: Oil (Randy Smith ) 16. kr on barnstormers (Don Chisholm) 17. barnstormers kr (Don Chisholm) 18. Re: bad news from the DAR (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 19. Re: bad news from the DAR (Kenneth B. Jones) 20. I hate winter (larry flesner) 21. Re: I hate winter (Barry Kruyssen) 22. Re: bad news from the DAR (larry flesner) 23. Re: bad news from the DAR (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 24. Re: bad news from the DAR (Donald Reid) 25. Re: bad news from the DAR (Randy Smith ) 26. Re: I hate winter (Randy Smith ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:08:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Smith Subject: Re: KR> carb heat/air box stuff To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050116080806.37965.qmail@web81706.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark: Basically I'm going > to replicate that box in fiberglass, laid up on foam > with hideously > fabricated valves. I'll let you know how it turns > out... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > Ron Smith: Why do I feel as if your going to make this part three times? : ) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Smith Subject: KR> question about station "D" To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050116082315.73965.qmail@web81710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am building a KR2S. As you know, you receive KR2 plans, and KR2s supplements, when you order KR2S plans. The Kr2 plans call for a crcrossmemebert station "D"( bottom of fuselage). The KR2S drawing "A", does not show a crcrossmemberhere. Is there supposed to be one there? I don't see how the "floor" would have much support without one. Ron Smith, Kr2S 99% completed boat stage, 20% to go, nagging splinters stuck in my brain, Cypress Ca. memercedesmannahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:39:33 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Harmonic Balancer To: "Corvaircraft" , "KR Net" Message-ID: <002901c4fbd9$372a2380$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have had the first failure ever of a harmonic balancer on and engine. I was on the way home from work Friday night when my engine on my Jeep started squealing and all of a sudden I lost all power steering etc. Pulled over raised the hood and found the harmonic balancer had separated. First time I had ever seen it happen. Bad thing about it was that it was 2° outside and I had to sit in the car for 30 minutes waiting on the wife to get there. It is amazing how fast you get cold at those temps. Anyway, I towed the car home and will repair it today in my heated garage. Moral of this story is....do not trust that old harmonic balancer on your aircraft engine, get a new one. Can you imagine what that would have been like in flight. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:14:18 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: KR> Aileron pulley bracket To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As a matter of interest, there is a change between the old and the new version of the KR2 drawings, and that is the aileron pulley bracket (drawing No 64). The old v ersion of the bracket is triangle shaped, and the new version is about rectangular. The change was obviously made for safety reason: two cable retainers instead of one. It took me a while to figure out while mine were inconsistent with tthe drawings. Well, fairly simple: the aircraft has been built with the old drawings. I understood that only when I noticed that the photo No 26 in the construction manual was consistent with the old drawing... Incidentally, neither version of the drawing gives you the location of the WAF holes. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:22:00 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: KR> Aileron bell crank assembly To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My aileron bell cranks have been built with a sort of large aluminum spacer between the bell crank brackets and the WAFs. I suspect these brackets are redundant, because I can find no trace of them in the drawings; but I would like to make sure. Does anybody have some info about that? Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:27:33 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> Aviation oil, 50 weight To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: <001b01c4fbe8$48a27f90$a624c944@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, Anyone know were a cheap or at least reasonable source of aviation 50 weight oil can be had. For the right price per quart, I would buy a case of 12 or 24 which ever way it comes. Since other Netters might like the same information, please reply on the KRNet. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr,com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:05:05 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Aviation oil, 50 weight To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050116110505.008045f0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Anyone know were a cheap or at least reasonable source of aviation > 50 weight oil can be had. For the right price per quart, I would buy a case of 12 or 24 which ever way it comes. >Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Are you looking for the single weight "50" or a multi-weight like the 20X50 ? I purchase my Phillips 20 X 50 XC from a local distributor here in southern Illinois for approx $30 a case of 12 ($2.50 qt.). I'd suggest you start by calling your local distributors and see who carries what. Try to find out where the local FBO's get their supply from, buy direct, and avoid the mark-up. Other aircraft owners at the local airport would also be a good source of info. Shipping charges on any source not local will make any "deal" seem less attractive. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:27:20 -0600 From: "Brant Hollensbe" Subject: Re: KR> Aviation oil, 50 weight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c4fbf0$a5583240$0702a8c0@bruntson> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Larry is right. Check with your FBO on which Oil distributors carry Aviation oil in your area. Once, I was emptying the hanger trash into the FBOs dumpster and spied a empty AeroShell box with the name/address of the local distributor on it. Gave them a call and I buy my Aeroshell 100 from them at $26.50 a case of 12. Good luck!! Brant Hollensbe bhollensbe@mchsi.com DSM Iowa ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:24:56 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Aviation oil, 50 weight To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050116.113248.3644.5.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unless you have your own wings, DO NOT use CHEEP CHEEP oil, Virg On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:27:33 -0600 "Robert L. Stone" writes: > Netters, > Anyone know were a cheap or at least reasonable source of > aviation 50 weight oil can be had. For the right price per quart, I > would buy a case of 12 or 24 which ever way it comes. Since other > Netters might like the same information, please reply on the KRNet. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr,com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:42:54 -0500 From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: KR> Aviation Oil To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <14361-41EAA79E-324@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII I don't know if it's just here in southern Florida (possibly due to having alot of airboats), but we can get Shell 100W at several different auto supples and also at Sam's club. About the same price. John Sickafoose Naples, Fl ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:12:09 EST From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com Subject: KR> unsubscribe please To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <9d.573f2268.2f1c0879@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hey... I'm skyvisionsc@aol.com and no longer have a KR. Those of you that I'm working with like Dan and Jery please keep my e-mail address so we can stay in touch and do some projects...Thanks...Sherman ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:30:50 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Oil To: Message-ID: <003d01c4fc12$a6d4a0a0$9c402141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am going to be the spoiler here but I don't believe in using Aviation Oil, much less a 50w oil in an auto engine. Multi viscosity oils were developed to be compatible with auto engines under a wide variety of climates and conditions. Running a thick 50w oil will only show great oil pressure and restrict oil circulation, causing premature wear and shortening the life of your engine. Stick with the oils the engine was designed for on the road and it will do just fine, 10w30 or 10w40. Otherwise you will rebuild much sooner. Aviation oil is designed not for the usage of the engine but the basics of an aviation engine, like the greater clearances between cylinders and walls, and so forth. It has little to do with how the engine is used and more to do with how the engine is designed and built. Also straight weight oils, though containing more actual crude oil, do not have the oil modifiers that make modern oils superior to the oils of the late 60s early 70s that were basically straight weight. 100W Aeroshell is made to maintain an antique engine, thus is an antique oil. Modern engines, especially tight clearance ones cannot properly circulate thick oils like a 50w oil. More than 10 pounds of oil pressure per 1000 rpms is a waste of horsepower. Better to have the whole engine bathed in oil and protected, than to have 75 # of pressure, and some of the engine starved for oil. Also, ALL CRUDE OIL comes ultimately from one of 3 places: BP, Standard Oil, Amoco Petroleum if memory serves. The rest buy from them. The critical factors of engine oil is proper GRADE based on use, and properly SERVICING the engine, not the brand. A personal preference is to stay away from oils that are paraffin based, and stay with oils that are crude oil based, but I have no factual basis for this. Over a decade of maintaining customers cars and watching driving and maintenance habits, the attention given to regular service was 10 times more important than the brand of oil used, or even the filter. This is paying attention to over 500 vehicles a month, over 11 years. My 2 cents... Colin & Beverly Rainey Apex Lending, Inc. www.eloan2004cr.com crainey@apexlending.com 407-323-6960 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:02:00 -0600 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> Oil To: "krnet" Message-ID: <004701c4fc1f$6d521c60$0600a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I believe that Great Plains specifies 30 W, not multiviscosity, for the VW engine. I drove air-cooled VW's for about 500,000 miles in the 70's, and I never had a problem with the standard 30W that VW specified. However, the oil does work harder in an air-cooled engine, so it should be changed more often. My rule of thumb was to feel the oil on the dip stick. When it felt gritty, it was time to change. That was as little as 1200 miles during hot weather, but never over 3000 miles in cold weather. I'm not sure what the Corvair specification is, but I would suggest considering whatever is the standard oil for a Corvair car engine. Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:54:24 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: KR> bad news from the DAR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001501c4fc26$b6e1e1b0$6401a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Group, I have had an unpleasant conversation with my local DAR. He stated that once an amateur plane is registered, that builder is the only person that can have the repairman's certificate for that plane. He words. He suggested that I contact Oklahoma to see if the N # on the plane is still active. Thinking that my father (the person who I bought the plane from) possible did not register the plane. I was wrong the one thing that he did do with this plane was register it. My DAR stated that it didn't matter what condition I bought it in, I'm still out of luck. Does anybody have any suggestions to help me out in this situation? All of the old paperwork could disappear, or something to that nature. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:00:54 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> Oil To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009201c4fc27$9dda25a0$bfc8b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original One thing missed about aviation oil is the oil journals in an auto engine are smaller and the oil even warm will not go thru there very well. Sam's here in north Dallas (Lewisville) carries 100w aeroshell. I normally by 6 cases at a time some I only know the price once a year. Last year around April it was $22.50 a case. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM VANCE" To: "krnet" Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: KR> Oil >I believe that Great Plains specifies 30 W, not multiviscosity, for the >VW >engine. I drove air-cooled VW's for about 500,000 miles in the 70's, and I >never had a problem with the standard 30W that VW specified. However, the >oil does work harder in an air-cooled engine, so it should be changed more >often. My rule of thumb was to feel the oil on the dip stick. When it >felt gritty, it was time to change. That was as little as 1200 miles >during hot weather, but never over 3000 miles in cold weather. > > I'm not sure what the Corvair specification is, but I would suggest > considering whatever is the standard oil for a Corvair car engine. > > Jim Vance > Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:07:37 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> kr on barnstormers To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050117000737.75035.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe that looks like a good start to a project. everything is there. I started my 2s project from a donated KR2. I pulled the center spars from the boat and what you see mounted in my wing jig is that. All you would have to do is build the boat and mount the center spar set using the outer wing panels to maintain proper alignment as you fasten them to the boat. It would save hundreds of hours of building and finishing never mind the fact that you would be rebuilding an airplane that's flight legal. It doesn't get anymore cost effective than that. Don Chisholm chizmsupholstery@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:20:02 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> barnstormers kr To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050117002002.68849.qmail@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry guys but I might be out of line here on a rebuild project . Here north of the 49th we have a little bit more leeway in such matters. You may want to explore your options before you put your money down. But as aparts source it's still a good deal Don Chisholm ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:22:47 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> bad news from the DAR To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1ed.335ce884.2f1c5f57@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 1/16/2005 3:55:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lee@vandyke5.com writes: I have had an unpleasant conversation with my local DAR Sounds like your DAR doesn't know what he is talking about. If that were the case, all of the experimental aircraft that were built and then sold to someone else, the new owner could never work of it unless he was an A&P. Give me a break! I think I would be asking to see the regs that spelled it out because I don't think he is right. Was he able to give you a FAR number where it says that. Probably not! Make him produce it! Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:31:45 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> bad news from the DAR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <022501c4fc2b$ef1599a0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> When an amateur built plane gets its original airworthiness certificate, the builder (and only one builder if partners built it) is elgible to get a repairman's certificate for that plane. No one other than the original builder (That's the person who finished the plane.) can (legally) get a repairman's certificate for that plane. If it never had an airworthiniess certificate, cancel the registration and register it with you listed as the builder. Even if you can't get a repairman's certificate, you can do anything to the plane yourself except the annual "condition" inspection. It doesn't hurt to have an extra set of eyes look at it once a year anyway. Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Van Dyke" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: KR> bad news from the DAR > Group, > > I have had an unpleasant conversation with my local DAR. He stated > that > once an amateur plane is registered, that builder is the only person that > can have the repairman's certificate for that plane. He words. He > suggested that I contact Oklahoma to see if the N # on the plane is still > active. Thinking that my father (the person who I bought the plane from) > possible did not register the plane. I was wrong the one thing that he did > do with this plane was register it. My DAR stated that it didn't matter > what condition I bought it in, I'm still out of luck. Does anybody have > any suggestions to help me out in this situation? All of the old paperwork > could disappear, or something to that nature. > > > > Lee Van Dyke > Mesa AZ > Lee@vandyke5.com > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:49:13 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> I hate winter To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050116184913.00806a80@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's been 18 days since I was up in the KR and I couldn't take it any longer. I drove to the airport this afternoon even though it was 18*F outside with winds out of the NW at 10 to 12 mph. I got to the hangar and the lock was frozen shut. After a bit of work with some heat I got it open but thinking maybe it's a bit cold to fly. I had just finished the annual so just a quick preflight was in order. I got there too late to preheat but thought there was a good chance it would start anyway. Wrong! I think I flooded the engine and ended up running the battery rather low. I pushed it back in the hangar and put my homemade preheater in place. I went to the terminal to warm up for about 20 minutes. I came back out, jumped in without putting on the belts or anything to see if it would start. YEEEE HAAAAA , it fired right up. I belted up , got on my headset, etc. as I did a low rpm warmup. Once the oil pressure guage came off the max peg I started to taxi out to the ramp. After a good warmup I managed to get in about eight tenths of an hour with a short flight around the area and three landings to a full stop. Man, I've got to get some cabin heat in that little bird if the weather doesn't warm up!!!!! The only good thing I can say about the cold air is I get an extra 5+mph indicated airspeed and 200+ feet per minute better climb. You KR flyers in the warmer climates have no excuse not to be out there flying. Get to it...... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:59:12 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> I hate winter To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007a01c4fc2f$c44c3e50$d000a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good on you Larry, I've got the problem of rain, rain and more rain. And If it's not raining the cloud base is about 400ft AGL. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner I belted up , got on my headset, etc. as I did a low rpm warmup. Once the oil pressure guage came off the max peg I started to taxi out to the ramp. After a good warmup I managed to get in about eight tenths of an hour with a short flight around the area and three landings to a full stop. Man, I've got to get some cabin heat in that little bird if the weather doesn't warm up!!!!! ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:02:07 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> bad news from the DAR To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050116190207.007c3e70@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Sounds like your DAR doesn't know what he is talking about. If that >were the >case, all of the experimental aircraft that were built and then sold to >someone else, the new owner could never work of it unless he was an A&P. >Chris Theroux +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Any owner, builder or not, of an EXPERIMENTAL aircraft is allowed to perform maintenance on the aircraft. The only thing the owner can't do, if he/she doesn't have the "mechanics license" for that aircraft, is sign off the yearly "condition inspection". That will require someone with at least an A&P rating but it does not require an A&P with I.A. rating. You must show proof that you are the builder of the aircraft to apply for the "mechanics certificate" for that aircraft which would then authorize you to sign off the annual "condition" inspection as well. I would advise you not to try to "sneak anything through" on the Fed's. One of the employees of the local FSDO shared with me a story of someone trying that and they were going to throw the book at him. You'd be better off to pay an A&P for the "annual" and hold the cost down by doing an "owner assisted annual" if possible. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:08:20 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> bad news from the DAR To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 1/16/2005 5:05:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, flesner@midwest.net writes: I would advise you not to try to "sneak anything through" on the Fed's. One of the employees of the local FSDO shared with me a story of someone trying that and they were going to throw the book at him. You'd be better off to pay an A&P for the "annual" and hold the cost down by doing an "owner assisted annual" if possible In that case Lee give me a call. I'll look at it. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:09:41 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> bad news from the DAR To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20050116200126.01afd590@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:54 PM 1/16/2005, you wrote: >Group, > >I have had an unpleasant conversation with my local DAR. He stated that >once an amateur plane is registered, that builder is the only person that >can have the repairman's certificate for that plane. It is a correct statement that one experimental can have one person with a repairman's certificate. That does not mean that you can't do your own work on an experimental that you bought from someone else. You can still do your own work but you will need to have either an A&P or the holder of the repairman's certificate do the annual and that is all. This is the way that it has been since the experimental regs can into being in the 50s. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:07:36 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> bad news from the DAR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b301c4fc39$5085add0$bfc8b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original You have already told everyone in the world (By the net) that the plane was already registered so it will be hard to sneak it by. As one person has already put it. You can do all the maintenance on the plan and have an A&P sign it of at annual. Your other big problem is that there is a lot of A&P that do not want the liability. I am working on a KR I bought and I hold a repairman's certificate for a KR I built about 10 years ago. That certificate is no good for this KR. I will have to have an A&P sign it off. For those misbelievers call the Feds and ask. Don't take my word. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> bad news from the DAR > In a message dated 1/16/2005 5:05:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > flesner@midwest.net writes: > > > I would advise you not to try to "sneak anything through" on the > Fed's. One of the employees of the local FSDO shared with me a story > of someone trying that and they were going to throw the book at him. > You'd be better off to pay an A&P for the "annual" and hold the cost > down by doing an "owner assisted annual" if possible > > In that case Lee give me a call. I'll look at it. > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:14:41 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> I hate winter To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00bc01c4fc3a$4e347560$bfc8b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Even as cold as it was there is only one thing better than flying a plane and that is flying a plane you built. You really sound dedicated. Cabin heat is easy to install, set it up just like carb heat except slow the air down to pick up more heat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:49 PM Subject: KR> I hate winter > > > It's been 18 days since I was up in the KR and I couldn't take it any > longer. I drove to the airport this afternoon even though it was 18*F > outside with winds out of the NW at 10 to 12 mph. > > I got to the hangar and the lock was frozen shut. After a bit of work > with some heat I got it open but thinking maybe it's a bit cold to > fly. I had just finished the annual so just a quick preflight was in > order. I got there too late to preheat but thought there was a good > chance it would start anyway. Wrong! I think I flooded the engine > and ended up running the battery rather low. I pushed it back in the > hangar and put my homemade preheater in place. I went to the terminal > to warm up for about 20 minutes. I came back out, jumped in without > putting on the belts or anything to see if it would start. YEEEE > HAAAAA , it fired right up. > > I belted up , got on my headset, etc. as I did a low rpm warmup. Once > the oil pressure guage came off the max peg I started to taxi out to > the ramp. After a good warmup I managed to get in about eight tenths > of an hour with a short flight around the area and three landings to a > full stop. Man, I've got to get some cabin heat in that little bird > if the weather doesn't warm up!!!!! > > The only good thing I can say about the cold air is I get an extra > 5+mph indicated airspeed and 200+ feet per minute better climb. > You KR flyers in the warmer climates have no excuse not to be out > there flying. Get to it...... > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 22 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================