From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 225 Date: 6/7/2005 6:40:14 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Once again, Jeff has more questions (wilder_jeff Wilder) 2. Aircraft Stripper (sph12@sbcglobal.net) 3. RE: 4130 steel (Brian Kraut) 4. RE: Once again, Jeff has more questions (Brian Kraut) 5. 4130 steel (Don Chisholm) 6. RE: Aircraft Stripper (Brian Kraut) 7. RE: 4130 steel (Brian Kraut) 8. Wanted KR2 (abby_lane@netzero.com) 9. Re: Wanted KR2 (Steve Henderson) 10. Re: Wanted KR2 (Barry Kruyssen) 11. R?f. : Re: KR> 4130 steel (Serge VIDAL) 12. R?f. : RE: KR> 4130 steel (Serge VIDAL) 13. request for a KR flight (Dan Walker) 14. Corvair with VW jugs (Colin & Bev Rainey) 15. Re: Group Fly to Oshkosh (Dan Heath) 16. Re: Group Fly to Oshkosh (Ronald Metcalf) 17. Re: Group Fly to Oshkosh (Ronald Metcalf) 18. Re: Group Fly to Oshkosh (Mark Jones) 19. Group Fly to Oshkosh (larry flesner) 20. Re: Group Fly to Oshkosh (Orma) 21. Re: R?f. : RE: KR> 4130 steel (Wayne Williams) 22. Re: Test (phillip matheson) 23. Re: Canopy (phillip matheson) 24. RE: Group Fly to Oshkosh (Mark Jones) 25. RE: R?f. : RE: KR> 4130 steel (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:01:39 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: KR> Once again, Jeff has more questions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have a few questions about the Corvair powerplant. 1. Does anyone know of a source of them in the Colorado area? 2. Does anyone have any information about building them to 3100 CC using the VW jugs. 3. Does anyone know if WW booklet describes building them out wiht the VW jugs. once again, thank you all for the great advice! -Jeff Wilder ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:05:07 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Aircraft Stripper To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c56b16$186a4f40$800101df@shendersonlt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is it safe to use aircraft stripper on a KR to remove old paint or will it damage the T-88 or make the epoxy break loose from the wood? It would really save me some time if I could use it. Steve Henderson St. Louis, MO KR1 sph12@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:06:21 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> 4130 steel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The 4130 from Spruce is all normalized. I do have one suggestion. Buy the strips, not the sheet. The strips are cold rolled so they have a nice smooth finish. 1/8" sheet stock in 4130 is no longer available anywhere in the U.S. in cold rolled, only hot rolled so they have mill scale on them. Unless you were going to water jet them or something and wanted to cut out of a sheet you would want strips cut to width anyway. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:19 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> 4130 steel Serge wrote: > >If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft > >Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any > >treatment (other that surface treatment) that I must apply? The heat treatment is "condition N". You can either start there or end there, but that's the way it needs to be when you're finished. I think when you buy it from AS&S, that's the way it is, but I'd check to make sure. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:08:34 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Once again, Jeff has more questions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is some information on the VW jug options in WWs book. You will probably get more information of Mark's site since that is what he built. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of wilder_jeff Wilder Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:02 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Once again, Jeff has more questions I have a few questions about the Corvair powerplant. 1. Does anyone know of a source of them in the Colorado area? 2. Does anyone have any information about building them to 3100 CC using the VW jugs. 3. Does anyone know if WW booklet describes building them out wiht the VW jugs. once again, thank you all for the great advice! -Jeff Wilder _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> 4130 steel To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050607041222.38703.qmail@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 basically when you normalize 4130 you are just stress relieving it. You can do that by heating it to red and letting it aircool at room temperature same as you do with a cluster on a steel tube airframe ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:17:58 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Aircraft Stripper To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Absoltely not on any fiberglass parts. I had some drips of epoxy on a metal plane and the paint stripper took the epoxy right off. I was pretty surprised that it ate the epoxy. I don't know about using it on the outside of plywood on the boat, but I wouldn't take the chance. I completely stripped a KR of paint and it was a nightmare of a job to sand the paint off. When I was nearly done I found that a triangular scraping tool like this http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=240-3362&PMPXNO=4839432&PARTPG=INLM K3 worked good to get most of the paint off before sanding. I have recently bought a flat carbide blade scraping tool from Harbor Freight that looks like it would do a better job, but I fortunately am not removing paint from anything right now. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40895 Good luck. It is a real pain to do and I would never do it again. I would just scuff sand and paint over the old paint if I had to do a whole plane again. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of sph12@sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:05 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Aircraft Stripper Is it safe to use aircraft stripper on a KR to remove old paint or will it damage the T-88 or make the epoxy break loose from the wood? It would really save me some time if I could use it. Steve Henderson St. Louis, MO KR1 sph12@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:27:08 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> 4130 steel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am not an expert on this, but I believe that you heat to a dull red to normalize. A bright red will anneal the steel which is not what you want. With my butt in the seat I would pay fifty bucks for my local heat treater to do it correctly unless I was 100% sure what I was doing. Obviously the best way is to just buy the normalized steel and use a band saw, sander, and drill press, not you cutting torch or plasma cutter and you won't need to worry about having to re-normalize it when you are done. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Don Chisholm Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:12 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> 4130 steel basically when you normalize 4130 you are just stress relieving it. You can do that by heating it to red and letting it aircool at room temperature same as you do with a cluster on a steel tube airframe _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 04:26:42 GMT From: "abby_lane@netzero.com" Subject: KR> Wanted KR2 To: KRnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050606.212742.24565.300866@webmail21.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Are there any KR2's out there for sale. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:29:46 -0500 From: "Steve Henderson" Subject: Re: KR> Wanted KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005a01c56b19$93bcb720$800101df@shendersonlt> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original There is one on www.barnstormers.com for $10K. Steve Henderson St. Louis, MO KR1 sph12@sbcglobal.net Stephen Henderson Project Manager Witt Biomedical 305 North Dr., Melbourne, FL 32934 800.669.1328 FAX: 321.253.0372 CELL: 800.273.7983 www.wittbiomedical.com Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:26 PM Subject: KR> Wanted KR2 > > Are there any KR2's out there for sale. > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:34:50 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Wanted KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <035501c56b1a$72168f50$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" More information please, Which Country, state, etc do you come from and how far are you willing to go to get one. (Mine is NOT for sale, but someone will need the info) regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: abby_lane@netzero.com Are there any KR2's out there for sale. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:48:55 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> 4130 steel To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It definitely comes as normalized, Mark. Thanks for the advice. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Mark Langford" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-06-07 00:19 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-06-07 00:14 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> 4130 steel Serge wrote: > >If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft > >Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any > >treatment (other that surface treatment) that I must apply? The heat treatment is "condition N". You can either start there or end there, but that's the way it needs to be when you're finished. I think when you buy it from AS&S, that's the way it is, but I'd check to make sure. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:52:21 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : RE: KR> 4130 steel To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's exactly what I had in mind. Besides, I will have that shipped to France, so sheets would be a silly option anyway. It's a pity there are no strips aailable in 1/2" width, to make rear WAFs. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Brian Kraut" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-06-07 06:06 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-06-07 06:06 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> 4130 steel The 4130 from Spruce is all normalized. I do have one suggestion. Buy the strips, not the sheet. The strips are cold rolled so they have a nice smooth finish. 1/8" sheet stock in 4130 is no longer available anywhere in the U.S. in cold rolled, only hot rolled so they have mill scale on them. Unless you were going to water jet them or something and wanted to cut out of a sheet you would want strips cut to width anyway. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:19 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> 4130 steel Serge wrote: > >If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft > >Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any > >treatment (other that surface treatment) that I must apply? The heat treatment is "condition N". You can either start there or end there, but that's the way it needs to be when you're finished. I think when you buy it from AS&S, that's the way it is, but I'd check to make sure. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:54:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Walker Subject: KR> request for a KR flight To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050607065447.51045.qmail@web54304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My KR is nearing completion just finishing up some things on the engine and little things here and there. I'm a little concered about my first flight since I have never been in a KR before and I was wondering if there is anyone around Morris, IL 60450 that would be willing to give me a ride in their KR so I can at least get the feel for it. I would love to fly my plane to oshkosh this year but I just really would like to feel what its going to be like first. I would be willing to drive a couple of hours if that would be easier for anyone in order to get a ride. My airport id is C09 Thanks for all the help everyone has given on this site and congradulations Mark I can't wait to join you in the excitetment of flying my own KR2. Dan Walker usafwalker2000@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 03:13:04 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Corvair with VW jugs To: Message-ID: <008001c56b30$58fec120$c7432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeff If you are not VERY motor experienced than I would stick to the basic 2700 cc or 164 CID Corvair and be able to count on the reliability. If you don't have a very good reason for building the extra power in (i.e. heavy plane 750# or better empty etc...) than the basic 164 will be just fine. If you really want more out of it, I would add a PSRU on the front before going through what Mark went through to get 3100 cc. You make it so that there are so many small details that can go wrong that will ruin all your hard work, and if you really need the performance, I personally believe you will shorten the life of the Corvair by asking it to give you more. Basic rule of drag racing, higher revs, run harder, shorter life. Another option is to wait until WW finished the evals on the new turbo install and copy that. That will allow you to use the basic engine and get the extra from the addition of the turbo. Just my opinion.... Colin KSFB ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 05:35:27 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh To: Message-ID: <42A56A5F.000020.03364@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wish I could be there, maybe next year. Heck, I would almost rather be on the ground watching such a sight. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- I am proposing that anyone with a KR, that is flying to Oshkosh, meet up at a designated time at Hartford, WI (HXF) airport http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHXF and we all fly in to Oshkosh together. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:36:00 -0500 From: "Ronald Metcalf" Subject: Re: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Wish I could be there, maybe next year. Heck, I would almost rather be >on the ground watching such a sight. I would also rather be on the ground - in another state. Trying to get more than two dissimilar aircraft (particularly in terms of power), with pilots of varying skill levels, most without training in formation flying, into the same chunk of sky, at more or less the same time, is not the cleverest thing I have heard about recently. >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: >Subject: Re: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 05:35:27 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a >time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building >has expired. >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >-------Original Message------- >I am proposing that anyone with a KR, that is flying to Oshkosh, meet up at >a designated time at Hartford, WI (HXF) airport >http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHXF and we all fly in to Oshkosh together. >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:41:49 -0500 From: "Ronald Metcalf" Subject: Re: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Wish I could be there, maybe next year. Heck, I would almost rather be >on the ground watching such a sight. I would also rather be on the ground - in another state. Trying to get more than two dissimilar aircraft (particularly in terms of power), with pilots of varying skill levels, most without training in formation flying, into the same chunk of sky, at more or less the same time, is not the cleverest thing I have heard about recently. >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: >Subject: Re: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 05:35:27 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a >time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building >has expired. >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >-------Original Message------- >I am proposing that anyone with a KR, that is flying to Oshkosh, meet up at >a designated time at Hartford, WI (HXF) airport >http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHXF and we all fly in to Oshkosh together. >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 05:59:18 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003f01c56b4f$f4084be0$6501a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ronald Metcalf" > > > I would also rather be on the ground - in another state. > > Trying to get more than two dissimilar aircraft (particularly in terms > of power), with pilots of varying skill levels, most without training > in formation flying, into the same chunk of sky, at more or less the > same time, > is not the cleverest thing I have heard about recently. You are absolutely correct and I hope you do not think we would be in formation like the Blue Angels. A group fly does not require tight formation and if being two to three hundres yards apart from another plane is scary, then one does not need to be flying. The flight from Hartford to Oshkosh is only 38.8 miles so about the time we got in the air, we would be over Ripon, WI for staging arrival by the controllers. We would basically be in a straight line following each other in so there is no time for any type of formation flying. Arrivals at Oshkosh are less than 30 seconds apart and you can be on final with three planes at a time for the same runway with each plane assigned a different touchdown spot on the runway. You will hear instructions form the controller saying something like "white experimental with red stripes, touch down on green spot on runway". You do not respond verbally, yet rock your wings in acknowledgement. Yes, there is a lot of traffic but it is as orginized and as choreographed as you will ever see. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI web page: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 07:20:57 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050607072057.008fe440@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >You are absolutely correct and I hope you do not think we would be in >formation like the Blue Angels. Mark Jones +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WELL, that leaves me out !!! :-) :-) Actually, I've been toying with the idea of joining you guys. Any idea on the day? Odds right now are low but, but hey, who knows??? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:25:39 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c56b5c$04ace490$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Mark That's a good explanation of the arrival. What days are the Convention this year. Do you plan to stay overnight or go back home. If staying, where will you be? If going home are there any hotels close by that you think may not be full yet? Which day do would this group arrival be? Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 07:29:31 -0500 From: "Wayne Williams" Subject: Re: R?f. : RE: KR> 4130 steel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003601c56b5c$8f05ea60$5ea75940@BUSINESS> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Serge,bought 1/2" strips from Wicks Aircraft. I think they cut them for me for a very nominal cost. Wayne Williams Grenada,Mississippi,USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:52 AM Subject: Réf. : RE: KR> 4130 steel > That's exactly what I had in mind. Besides, I will have that shipped > to France, so sheets would be a silly option anyway. It's a pity there > are no strips aailable in 1/2" width, to make rear WAFs. > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > > > > > > "Brian Kraut" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-06-07 06:06 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-06-07 06:06 > > > Pour : "KRnet" > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : RE: KR> 4130 steel > > > > The 4130 from Spruce is all normalized. I do have one suggestion. > Buy the strips, not the sheet. The strips are cold rolled so they > have a nice smooth finish. 1/8" sheet stock in 4130 is no longer > available anywhere in > the U.S. in cold rolled, only hot rolled so they have mill scale on them. > Unless you were going to water jet them or something and wanted to cut out > of a sheet you would want strips cut to width anyway. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of > Mark Langford > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:19 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> 4130 steel > > > Serge wrote: > >> >If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft >> >Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any >> >treatment (other that surface treatment) that I must apply? > > The heat treatment is "condition N". You can either start there or > end there, but that's the way it needs to be when you're finished. I > think when you buy it from AS&S, that's the way it is, but I'd check > to make sure. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:42:57 +1000 From: "phillip matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Test To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006201c56b5e$6efadf80$78a7443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Test only. I'm not getting any Net mail Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:57:39 +1000 From: "phillip matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Canopy To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008b01c56b60$7cd78a20$78a7443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just a short note. I got my canopy hinges fitted. I'm off to the UK and Europe on Friday for a month. so I may not get any email unles I can get on over seas. Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:33:22 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C420C@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Airventure is July 25 -31. The KR forum being presented by Mr. Mark Langford is on Monday July 25th at 1:00 pm to 2:15 pm in the Eastern Aviation Fuels building 02. Since the forum is on the 25th, I would think the group fly in would be best if done on Sunday the 24th. This of course will be determined by all that want to join up. I most likely will camp out under my wing. I am only able to stay a day or two. If you do not have hotel reservations made months in advance, you most likely will not find a room within a fifty mile radius of Oshkosh. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Orma Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:26 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh Hello Mark That's a good explanation of the arrival. What days are the Convention this year. Do you plan to stay overnight or go back home. If staying, where will you be? If going home are there any hotels close by that you think may not be full yet? Which day do would this group arrival be? Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:41:37 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: R?f. : RE: KR> 4130 steel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C420D@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a supplier here in Wisconsin which I highly recommend. They are called Speedy Metals and can be reached at 888-744-4140. They stock over 5000 items from Aluminum, Alloy, Brass, Copper, Bronze, Cold Roll, Hot Roll, Stainless and Tool Steels. Speedy Metals custom cuts to any length and has NO CUTTING CHARGES and NO MINIMUMS. They will ship anywhere and also have eBay stores at this link: http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=speedymetal Give them a try, you will be pleased with their service. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Wayne Williams Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:30 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: Réf. : RE: KR> 4130 steel Serge,bought 1/2" strips from Wicks Aircraft. I think they cut them for me for a very nominal cost. Wayne Williams Grenada,Mississippi,USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:52 AM Subject: Réf. : RE: KR> 4130 steel > That's exactly what I had in mind. Besides, I will have that shipped > to France, so sheets would be a silly option anyway. It's a pity there > are no strips aailable in 1/2" width, to make rear WAFs. > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > > > > > > "Brian Kraut" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-06-07 06:06 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-06-07 06:06 > > > Pour : "KRnet" > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : RE: KR> 4130 steel > > > > The 4130 from Spruce is all normalized. I do have one suggestion. > Buy the strips, not the sheet. The strips are cold rolled so they > have a nice smooth finish. 1/8" sheet stock in 4130 is no longer > available anywhere in > the U.S. in cold rolled, only hot rolled so they have mill scale on them. > Unless you were going to water jet them or something and wanted to cut out > of a sheet you would want strips cut to width anyway. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of > Mark Langford > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:19 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> 4130 steel > > > Serge wrote: > >> >If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft >> >Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any >> >treatment (other that surface treatment) that I must apply? > > The heat treatment is "condition N". You can either start there or > end there, but that's the way it needs to be when you're finished. I > think when you buy it from AS&S, that's the way it is, but I'd check > to make sure. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 225 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================