From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 229 Date: 6/10/2005 9:00:20 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. R?f. : RE: KR> Canopy Latches (Serge VIDAL) 2. R?f. : KR> Engines (Serge VIDAL) 3. Re: red letter date (Mark Jones) 4. Re: red letter date (Orma) 5. Re: KR2- 2180 GPAC Vw rough under 1100-1500 RPM (Orma) 6. image request (Paul_Rudolph@hmco.com) 7. Re: WAFs/Outboard ribs. (Peter Drake) 8. To foam or not to foam.. that is my question (wilder_jeff Wilder) 9. Re: To foam or not to foam.. that is my question (patrusso) 10. Re: To foam or not to foam.. that is my question (Dan Heath) 11. Re: To foam or not to foam.. that is my question (Donald Reid) 12. Re: To foam or not to foam.. that is my question (Ron Eason) 13. Corvair Engine for sale (Matthew Elder) 14. Re: Corvair Engine for sale (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 15. vw 2.4l conversion (Jaco Swanepoel) 16. Re: KR2- 2180 GPAC Vw rough under 1100-1500 RPM (Scott Cable) 17. Fw: roberts delema (need help) (robert beckemeyer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:09:24 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : RE: KR> Canopy Latches To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I keep a small axe inside my KR2 for the same purpose. It also serves as a hammer when I pitch some pegs for the tie-downs. Which happened often, because I don't have a starter motor. So, when I was on my own, I tied down the tail before I started. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Jack Cooper" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 06/10/2005 04:08 Veuillez répondre à kr2cooper; Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 06/10/2005 04:09 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> Canopy Latches > [Original Message] > From: larry flesner > To: KRnet > Date: 6/3/2005 9:07:11 AM > Subject: KR> Canopy Latches > > > > >I wonder how many flying KR2s have emergency opening from either the > >inside, or the outside? > >Serge Vidal > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I will not be able to remove the canopy from inside but I will have an emergency break-out tool in my KR. My brother was showing me his knife collection last week and came to one knife and said this is what many firefighters and rescue personnel use. When I checked it out I decided this would make a good break out tool so he gave it to me. Check it out on ebay item no. 7161343120 It seems to have a strong enough blade to punch through a canopy or even the plywood. the blade also has serrations for cutting seatbelts and is easy one hand operation. The handle also has a hole which could be used to attached to the airplane in an area where you can reach it and will not go flying away in a crash. Jack cooper > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:20:32 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Engines To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, The reason they say "United Kindom" rather than "England" is that England is not alone. There is also Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland to think about. US engines are available throughout Europe. They are seldom used in small experimentals, because they cost an arm and a leg to buy and to maintain, and are not fuel efficient. The Rotax, and now the Jabiru, are more popular. In France, you also find a lot of certified modified VWs (the Limbach). Althoug since the British pound is now very high and the dollar so weak, it might be time for our UK fellows to go shopping. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Robert L. Stone" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 06/09/2005 23:41 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 06/09/2005 23:41 Pour : "KR Builders Pilots" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Engines This message is for all of you builders in England or as most of you say the United Kingdom. Have any of you considered using an engine designed and proven for aircraft. A few builders here have and they are using the Continental O-200. The engine is rated at 100 horse power and will move a KR-2 or KR-2S like a jet. There is one for sale on Barnstormers. here is the URL http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php The price is $6,500.00 but the seller may come down a bit. I have no idea what the price for shipping to wherever you live in the UK. Since there are American manufactured aircraft already in the UK, these engines may be available there. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Texas, USA rstone4@hot.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:17:18 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> red letter date To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000701c56da5$9697f660$6501a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excellert report Mark L. Sounds as if you are finally really having fun. I am really looking forward to you hopefully flying up here for Airventure. Have a great weekend flying. I am off to board a Midwest Airli nes spam can to head to Georgia. Hopefully, I can give some good flight reports next week. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI web page: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: KR> red letter date > KRnetHeads, > > Last night I put some Tempurfoam on my carbon fiber seat. One inch of > the blue "medium" density on the bottom, and one inch of "soft" pink > stuff on the seat back. I needed to try it out, AND beat the tropical > storm that is > threatening to screw up our weekend. > > Although it was supposed to be stormy for 40% of the day, it looked > decent enough at lunch time for me to sneak in 3 hours of pretty > decent flying, mostly just a big series of circles, back and forth, > whatever, and then 5 touch and goes. I even got it up to 7000 feet > and 180 mph. I've determined > though that top speed is only about 165 mph straight and level at 3000 > ft, until I clean it up aerodynamically and get the right prop. On > the way back > to work the bottom fell out and we got our thunderstorm. > > But at quittin' time it looked pretty good so I went back and flew > another three hours! I had tweaked my static ports some more so I > did some stalls > at 6000 ft. This time I really stalled it (50 mph indicated with > flaps, 55 > without) the left wing dropped, and I got to look straight down at the > ground! I also have the aileron trim just right, so I can now steer > by leaning left or right in calm air. Afterwards I flew down to > Moontown (M38, > the grass strip where I got my taildragger endorsement) and did my > first landing (in N56ML) at a different airport than MDQ! Spent a > half hour showing the plane to Gordy (Lionheart pilot) and Emily (the > local instructor), and then flew back to MDQ (in about 5 minutes!). > Did five more > touch and goes at dusk and really squeaked a couple of them on in the > calm air. > > It still drew what passes for a crowd on landing, and the comment of > "lookin' good" from the Medflight chopper pilot. I never even thought > about the foam on the seat, or any pain in my butt, so I guess the > Tempurfoam works. I topped it off before I left the airport, so now > I'm ready for a "cross country" to Guntersville Lake next time I get a > chance, with another landing at a "strange" place. I called my father > on the way home and gave him the dimensions for the tiedown locations > that he's going to be installing next to my brother's C-172 parking > spot at the grass strip > on his farm. > > OK, I'm ready to say it > now.....YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! > > Mark Langford, 23.5 KR hours down, 16.5 to go! > Huntsville, Alabama > see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:57:55 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> red letter date To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004601c56dab$426b4a50$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Mark It's good to know that you finally got that Yeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaa out. keeping something like that bottled up in side of a flying KR pilot is not natural. You could have busted or ruptured something inside. That speed, be it 165 or 180 is excellent. at the rate you are putting in the flight hours you will have your 40 in no time at all. Keep up the good reports. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:04:46 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> KR2- 2180 GPAC Vw rough under 1100-1500 RPM To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004b01c56dac$377f2890$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Jeff As far as being idle for a year, it happens to the best of us. Those who are struggling to complete their KR's probably would disagree. If the plane ran well when last flown, Then as long as the engine does not quit at idle and makes as much power as you say, then I would go out and fly for an hour and then see what the idle is like. I would stay on top of the airport just in case, but after a year the way something sounds and feels may have changed in your mind. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:24:03 -0400 From: Paul_Rudolph@hmco.com Subject: KR> image request To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I am writing with what is probably an unusual request for this site. I am a photo researcher currently working on finding images to illustrate math problems in a high school geometry textbook. We are interested in using an image of a plane which has a four link parallelogram canopy mechanism (like Les Palmer's). We would need a color, high resolution photo of the image (300dpi) or a good quality print or transparency. (It appears that the images on your website are 72dpi.) We would also ask that you sign a letter for permission. Please let me know whether or not you might be able to help with this request and whether or not you have any questions. If you are able to put me in touch with someone who does have images of these planes with this canopy mechanism, that would be appreciated. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Paul Paul M. Rudolph Senior Photo Researcher McDougal Littell 222 Berkeley Street Boston, MA 02116 p 617.369.6847 f 617.351.1203 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:12:09 +0100 From: "Peter Drake" Subject: Re: KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001401c56dc6$64336850$0201a8c0@PETER> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Louis Sorry I meant the 33" Rib 12" in from the tip. We still use feet & inches here, younger people talk in metric but think in imperial. I am a lumber merchant and all our sizes are imperial converted into metric! We even use metric feet (30cm) Its only them the other side of the Channel that only use metric eh Serge? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Staalberg" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:55 AM Subject: Re: KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs. > To Peter Drake > > You asked:"....What thickness ply is the outboard rib, the one before > the extension begins?...... I presume you mean the rib that straddles > the wing attach fitting on the center spars.The answer is > 3/32 of an inch. (Hope you still remember "inches"!) > As far as the painting of the WAF's there is tons of > information in the archives.In my case I am thinking about > zinc chromate but there are as many answers to your > question as there are KR-2's. > > Regards, > > > Louis Staalberg > Payson, Arizona > N9FL@cbiwireless.com > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 08/06/2005 > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:22:47 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: KR> To foam or not to foam.. that is my question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Morning everyone, In re: to my turtle deck, now that its been removed, I am planning on replacing it with something a little more sporty then the cardboard box that was up there.. my question to my fellow KRnetters... is this. I plan on using 5.9oz carbon fiber to lay up the turtle deck. I need to know if I should use foam as a substrate (sandwich), or is it acceptable to just build a mold and lay it up over that withough any foam. Is the foam going to add enough strength to offset the weight penality 2-3 lbs? Shouldn't the carbon be strong enough to stand on its own without "oil canning"? However, I do plan on using foam to create a roll bar over the cockpit and lay that up with a few layers of carbon too. Any advice would be appreicated. -Jeff Wilder ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:48:22 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> To foam or not to foam.. that is my question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001d01c56dd3$d5356320$4da772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jeff Sounds okay. If in doubt, add a couple of 1/4 by 1 inch stringers or 1/8 by 3/4 hardware store aluminum on the inside and run a 2" wide carbon strip (tape) over those. You could also use insulation foam as your mold, with stringers imbedded in, glass over and then melt the foam out with a solvent. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" To: Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: KR> To foam or not to foam.. that is my question > Morning everyone, > > In re: to my turtle deck, now that its been removed, I am planning on > replacing it with something a little more sporty then the cardboard > box that was up there.. my question to my fellow KRnetters... is this. > > I plan on using 5.9oz carbon fiber to lay up the turtle deck. I need > to > know > if I should use foam as a substrate (sandwich), or is it acceptable to > just > build a mold and lay it up over that withough any foam. Is the foam > going > to add enough strength to offset the weight penality 2-3 lbs? Shouldn't > the > carbon be strong enough to stand on its own without "oil canning"? > > However, I do plan on using foam to create a roll bar over the cockpit > and lay that up with a few layers of carbon too. > > Any advice would be appreicated. > > -Jeff Wilder > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:54:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> To foam or not to foam.. that is my question To: Message-ID: <42A9B7C4.000001.03512@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a good example of building a turtle deck at: http://kr-builder.org/ScottCable/index.html Remember, carbon will block radio signals. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- However, I do plan on using foam to create a roll bar over the cockpit and lay that up with a few layers of carbon too. Any advice would be appreicated. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:08:50 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> To foam or not to foam.. that is my question To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20050610120342.01b31dc0@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:22 AM 6/10/2005, you wrote: >I plan on using 5.9oz carbon fiber to lay up the turtle deck. I need to >know if I should use foam as a substrate (sandwich), or is it acceptable to just >build a mold and lay it up over that withough any foam. Is the foam going >to add enough strength to offset the weight penality 2-3 lbs? Shouldn't >the carbon be strong enough to stand on its own without "oil canning"? I did something similar except it is glass and not carbon. I made mine from three plies of glass and then added foam hoop stringers spaced about 8 inches apart covered with an additional two plies of glass and a foam/glass bulkhead behind the baggage area. I also have a foam/glass area right behind the canopy. It is very strong and does not oilcan. Photos are available on my site. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:14:24 -0700 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> To foam or not to foam.. that is my question To: KRnet Message-ID: <200506101014.AA91423558@jrl-engineering.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just finished my turtle deck. I used 3/32" plywood by wetting it and forming the roll with string letting it dry then trimming it to fit. [no foam] I will place one layer of light fiberglass for finishing purposes. It's plenty strong for the application. KRron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dan Heath" Reply-To: KRnet Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:54:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) There is a good example of building a turtle deck at: http://kr-builder.org/ScottCable/index.html Remember, carbon will block radio signals. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- However, I do plan on using foam to create a roll bar over the cockpit and lay that up with a few layers of carbon too. Any advice would be appreicated. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Elder Subject: KR> Corvair Engine for sale To: ron@jrl-engineering.com, KRnet Message-ID: <20050610202044.82927.qmail@web30210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If anyone is interested (don't know if someone has already mentioned this or not...) there is a 2700cc corvair on ebay already converted for aircraft use... Item: 7979356316 Matt ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:23:06 EDT From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Corvair Engine for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <80.2976dfc5.2fdb50aa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 6/10/2005 1:21:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time, eldo610@yahoo.com writes: there is a 2700cc corvair on ebay already converted for aircraft use... Item: 7979356316 On??? Ebay or where??? Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaco Swanepoel Subject: KR> vw 2.4l conversion To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050610215553.23722.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi guys, I have a vw type 4, 2 liter turbo in my kr2s. I have the opportunity to get a vw type 4, 2.4 liter for a good deal. I understand from some kr pilots that the power of these two match up very similarly. Would it be a good idea to buy the 2.4 liter and turbo it for a bit more power? Any comments please! Regards, Jaco Swanepoel South Africa --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> KR2- 2180 GPAC Vw rough under 1100-1500 RPM To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050610232358.88443.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jeff, The plugs may have been new a year ago, but it's a different story now that the engine has been sitting for a year. My suggestion is to install new plugs, properly gapped, and torqued. Check the plug wire connections also. This includes removing and inspecting the distributor cap for corroded or pitted teminals. Last year my friend started up his Harley sportster after having her sit idle for just over a year. It idled fine, but had a miss upto 2500 rpm, then it ran fine. He kept thinking there was something wrong with the carb. I told him numerous times to change the plugs. He kept insisting that the plugs were brand new when he stopped riding her. Finally, after taking the float bowl off, checking the fuel filter, checking the coil, all of which were in perfect condition, he finally threw up his hands and put in a new set of plugs. Viola! problem solved! ran sweeeet. Don't ask me how they go bad just sitting, but they do. Plugs are cheap and fairly easy to install. Take out the variable by changing them first. jeffyork40@qx.net wrote: I have noticed however that below 1500 maybe actually when you get down to 1100 RPM it sounds a little rough. Just kind of a stumble in the normally smooth sound of the engine. I have a Zenith carb with no cockpit mixture control by the way. Plugs where brand new a year ago when I got busy and let it sit. Got a feeling its a little out of time however, I can get a very clean 3400RPM static. Thoughts? Scott Cable Jamestown, ND s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:44:05 -0700 From: "robert beckemeyer" Subject: KR> Fw: roberts delema (need help) To: "Identity" Message-ID: <001501c56e16$d2def490$6e6956d1@owner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: robert beckemeyer To: KRNET LIST Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: roberts delema (need help) i have kr2 w/tri gear and revmaster eng. in ariz. problems main fuel tank too deap,not enough leg room.need 4 to 6 in.deep or ? 6 inch high control panel want to change to 10 or 12 in. want to go up not down,any suggestions ? also need lighted instr good used ok. change to windshield w/slide back canopy or slide down like erocoupe. need air brake design ideas wing workmanship very bad need suggestions how it may be improved.also i want to install wing tip strobes,and landing lts.any good used ones ? any ideas on reducing stall speed couple MPH. engine needs work any one near pheonix? would like to change exhaust syst. from wrap around to duel no muffler straight diag down any thoughts? would appreciate any advice or ideas and supplier (reasonable pricing)namesvery much. PLS.all replies subject Roberts delema.rbeckemeyer@peoplepc.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 229 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================