From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 231 Date: 6/12/2005 9:00:45 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: WAFs/Outboard ribs.reply (Peter Drake) 2. Second engine run (Dan Heath) 3. Re: Second engine run (LaRRY5407@aol.com) 4. Re: Second engine run (Dan Heath) 5. Re: Second engine run (Mark Langford) 6. Re: Second engine run (Dan Heath) 7. Re: Second engine run (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 8. Re: Second engine run (Mark Langford) 9. Re: Second engine run (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 10. Re: Second engine run (Barry Kruyssen) 11. Re: Second engine run (Mark Jones) 12. Re: Second engine run (Mark Jones) 13. Re: Second engine run (Orma) 14. second engine run (blindate@seark.net) 15. Sender (Colin & Bev Rainey) 16. RE: Second engine run (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:55:30 +0100 From: "Peter Drake" Subject: Re: KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs.reply To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c56f4e$03ee2c80$0200a8c0@PETER> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Louis Sorry I think we are at cross purposes! I am building a KR2S which has 12" wing extensions. The drawing shows a 33" rib at the end of the wing before the extension starts. I think you have answered my question though as I think this rib takes the place of the 36" tip rib shown on the old KR2 plans. Thank you Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Staalberg" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs.reply > To Peter Drake. > > O.K. Peter, lets try this: > If you stand at the tip of the wing, looking towards the fuselage, the > first rib you see is a 3/8 wooden rib. That one is 36 inches long.Let > us label that one "A" > > The next rib you will see is made out of 2 inch foam (B) > > The next rib (C) is also made out of 2 inch foam. > > (D) is also 2 inch foam > > (E) however is just 1 inch foam > . > (F) and (G) are wooden ribs, 48 inches long and are part of the center > wing. > > (B), (C) and (D) are equilly spaced > > You then put a very straight board with sand paper attached on (A) and > (F) > and start sanding and sanding and sanding.! > > When finished, the ribs (B), (C), (D) and (E) will have just the right > shape. > > Hope this helps, good luck. If you have more questions, feel free to > contact me off line. > > > > Louis Staalberg > Payson, Arizona > N9FL@cbiwireless.com > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:55:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Second engine run To: Message-ID: <42AC772C.000003.03380@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Today, we ran the engine for the second time. The EGT and CHT are now working properly but the OT and OP still do not register at all. I am a bit puzzled by this, but will pull out the old volt meter and do some more checking. the really good news is that the electronic ignition is working perfectly and really made an already smooth engine run even better. There is a definite increase in RPM when the system is turned on. It also makes me think that the Mag is timed a bit on the side of advance, so we will back off that about 3 degrees for the next run. We are using an EFS-2 and the mixture needle does turn properly when the mixture is adjusted, however, I can tell no difference between full rich and full lean in the operation of the engine. Could the idle mixture adjustment cause this? Full lean puts the holes in the needle facing directly into the incoming air, so I don't see how it can get any fuel in that setting, but it is. Now to replace the fuel sender and gauge and to correct the problems with the OT and OP, fill up the brakes with fluid, finish up the cowling and take it to the airport. The spinner is finished and you can see it on the plane in the first pic at http://kr-builder.org/FinishingUp/index.html Click on any pic for a full view in the viewing pane. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:05:31 EDT From: LaRRY5407@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1a9.39808931.2fddd36b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 6/12/2005 1:56:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DanRH@AllTel.net writes: http://kr-builder.org/FinishingUp/index.html Congrats Dan/Jerry--Can't wait to see it flying ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:11:12 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: Message-ID: <42AC7AC0.000005.03380@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, me too. Back to work. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: LaRRY5407@aol.com Date: 06/12/05 14:06:13 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run In a message dated 6/12/2005 1:56:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DanRH@AllTel.net writes: http://kr-builder.org/FinishingUp/index.html Congrats Dan/Jerry--Can't wait to see it flying _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:28:46 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011801c56f8d$65bbde50$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan Heath wrote: > We are using an EFS-2 and the mixture needle does turn properly when > the mixture is adjusted, however, I can tell no difference between > full rich and > full lean in the operation of the engine. Could the idle mixture adjustment > cause this? I don't think the idle mixture affects the rest of the range much, especially if set correctly. I believe it's a separate circuit. If you've got the idle mixture set right (smoothest idle at whatever speed you want it to be) then it's right and there's nothing else to do with it. Mine will quit pretty quick if turned full lean, so I'm surprised that you can't find any different rich to lean. Sounds like a call to Ellison is in order tomorrow. I'm sure you've already seen the manual at http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/manual/manual.htm , or have a copy already. Congratulations on getting a little closer! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:53:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: Message-ID: <42ACA0D3.000001.02448@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks. I have been through the manual. It seems very odd that it runs the same with the holes pointed into the wind. I cannot see how this is possible. Anyway, I sent a question off to Ellison and maybe they have a resolution. If I don't get an answer back, I will call them. You would not believe how much difference adding the secondary ignition made to the way this engine runs. I just realized one of my worst fears concerning this fuel sender saga. There is not enough room between the deck and the tank, to install the probe I either have to make a bump on top of the tank, or I have to make a recess into the tank.. Given the choice, which one would you choose? See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: Mark Langford Date: 06/12/05 16:25:04 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run Dan Heath wrote: > We are using an EFS-2 and the mixture needle does turn properly when > the mixture is adjusted, however, I can tell no difference between > full rich and > full lean in the operation of the engine. Could the idle mixture adjustment > cause this? I don't think the idle mixture affects the rest of the range much, especially if set correctly. I believe it's a separate circuit. If you've got the idle mixture set right (smoothest idle at whatever speed you want it to be) then it's right and there's nothing else to do with it. Mine will quit pretty quick if turned full lean, so I'm surprised that you can't find any different rich to lean. Sounds like a call to Ellison is in order tomorrow. I'm sure you've already seen the manual at http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/manual/manual.htm , or have a copy already. Congratulations on getting a little closer! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:23:05 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c56f94$ec743990$54cc5844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dan, I plan to use the "recess into the tank" I am thinking about using a 3" hole saw to cut the hole in the tank and then use the hole saw as a mold to lay-up my "pan" which will fit into the top of the tank I am working some on my EFS-2 installation, and battery and other firewall attachments. I am planning on building a box to house my filter ahead of the EFS-2. I bought the EFS-2 from a builder inCalifornia. It had few hours on it and included sheet metal units for housing the air filter and air diverter. His system had the air changing directions at least twice. I am am locating the parts in to be in-line in this order from EFS-2 forward. 1. diverter box to the EFS-2 ( by this I mean it directs the ram and carb heat air to the EFS-2) 2. The air filter unit 3. duct to the air inlet. ( I may have left one part out-- I'm not sure. Dan , it is good to read of your progress. Don't forget to be practicing on your YYYYYEEEEEHHHHHAAAAAWWWWWWSSSS Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:53 PM Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run > Thanks. I have been through the manual. It seems very odd that it > runs > the > same with the holes pointed into the wind. I cannot see how this is > possible. Anyway, I sent a question off to Ellison and maybe they have a > resolution. If I don't get an answer back, I will call them. You would > not > believe how much difference adding the secondary ignition made to the way > this engine runs. > > I just realized one of my worst fears concerning this fuel sender > saga. There is not enough room between the deck and the tank, to > install the probe I either have to make a bump on top of the tank, or > I have to make a recess into the tank.. Given the choice, which one > would you choose? > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a > time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > -------Original Message------- > > From: Mark Langford > Date: 06/12/05 16:25:04 > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run > > Dan Heath wrote: > >> We are using an EFS-2 and the mixture needle does turn properly when >> the mixture is adjusted, however, I can tell no difference between >> full rich > and >> full lean in the operation of the engine. Could the idle mixture > adjustment >> cause this? > > I don't think the idle mixture affects the rest of the range much, > especially if set correctly. I believe it's a separate circuit. If > you've got the idle mixture set right (smoothest idle at whatever > speed you want it > to be) then it's right and there's nothing else to do with it. Mine will > quit pretty quick if turned full lean, so I'm surprised that you can't > find > any different rich to lean. Sounds like a call to Ellison is in order > tomorrow. I'm sure you've already seen the manual at > http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/manual/manual.htm , or have a copy > already. > > Congratulations on getting a little closer! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:28:21 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013001c56f95$af4e1f30$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan Heath wrote: > I either have to make a bump on top of the tank, or I have to make a > recess into the tank.. Given the choice, which one would you choose? The recess, or I'd try to find a different sender. There are capacitive senders (that probably require a matching gauge) that can be bent to fit just about anywhere, so there's an option. I think I've just dodged a bullet, in that my VDO sendor is now reading resistances in the normal range, so my gauge will probably work now. It's been my theory that vinylester fumes coated the windings, and that they would eventually be scraped off by the sender. Maybe all of those high g landings paid off! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:59:50 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003101c56f9a$0e8f3480$54cc5844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My apologies. I had intended to send this directly to Dan. I don't know why the computer rearranged my lines. Ray Goree ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run > Dan, > I plan to use the "recess into the tank" I am thinking about using a > 3" hole saw to cut the hole in the tank and then use the hole saw as a > mold to lay-up my "pan" > which will fit into the top of the tank I am working some on my EFS-2 > installation, > and battery and other at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:18:50 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <037601c56f9c$b7b968d0$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan I had a problem with oil pressure as the sealant used on the sender unit also insulated it. Test by shorting to earth. Solution was to remove the sender and replace the sealer and replace, all was good then. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Heath To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:55 AM Subject: KR> Second engine run Today, we ran the engine for the second time. The EGT and CHT are now working properly but the OT and OP still do not register at all. I am a bit puzzled by this, but will pull out the old volt meter and do some more checking. the really good news is that the electronic ignition is working perfectly and really made an already smooth engine run even better. There is a definite increase in RPM when the system is turned on. It also makes me think that the Mag is timed a bit on the side of advance, so we will back off that about 3 degrees for the next run. We are using an EFS-2 and the mixture needle does turn properly when the mixture is adjusted, however, I can tell no difference between full rich and full lean in the operation of the engine. Could the idle mixture adjustment cause this? Full lean puts the holes in the needle facing directly into the incoming air, so I don't see how it can get any fuel in that setting, but it is. Now to replace the fuel sender and gauge and to correct the problems with the OT and OP, fill up the brakes with fluid, finish up the cowling and take it to the airport. The spinner is finished and you can see it on the plane in the first pic at http://kr-builder.org/FinishingUp/index.html Click on any pic for a full view in the viewing pane. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:13:50 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007b01c56fb5$285749a0$6501a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Idle mixture screw on the EFS-2 is a very sensitive adjustment. If you have it set too rich, you will not see any difference in full lean at idle. When I was running the EFS-2, I also had this phenomena. Once you get the idle mixture needle set ptoperly, you will shut the engine doen by pulling lead at idle. I always adjusted mine while the engine was running, but then I have nerves of steel and am not afraid of being that close to a turning prop. I am sure you have seen photos of me making adjustments behind a running prop. Caution: do not try it unless you too have nerves of steel. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI web page: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:53 PM Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run > Thanks. I have been through the manual. It seems very odd that it > runs the > same with the holes pointed into the wind. I cannot see how this is > possible. Anyway, I sent a question off to Ellison and maybe they > have a resolution. If I don't get an answer back, I will call them. > You would not > believe how much difference adding the secondary ignition made to the > way this engine runs. > > I just realized one of my worst fears concerning this fuel sender > saga. There is not enough room between the deck and the tank, to > install the probe > I either have to make a bump on top of the tank, or I have to make a > recess into the tank.. Given the choice, which one would you choose? > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a > time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > -------Original Message------- > > From: Mark Langford > Date: 06/12/05 16:25:04 > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run > > Dan Heath wrote: > > > We are using an EFS-2 and the mixture needle does turn properly when > > the mixture is adjusted, however, I can tell no difference between > > full rich > and > > full lean in the operation of the engine. Could the idle mixture > adjustment > > cause this? > > I don't think the idle mixture affects the rest of the range much, > especially if set correctly. I believe it's a separate circuit. If you've > got the idle mixture set right (smoothest idle at whatever speed you > want it > to be) then it's right and there's nothing else to do with it. Mine > will quit pretty quick if turned full lean, so I'm surprised that you > can't find > any different rich to lean. Sounds like a call to Ellison is in order > tomorrow. I'm sure you've already seen the manual at > http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/manual/manual.htm , or have a > copy already. > > Congratulations on getting a little closer! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:17:42 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008301c56fb5$b2b07680$6501a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry for the misspelled words in that post. Hopefully you were able to read it. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI web page: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:13 PM Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run > The Idle mixture screw on the EFS-2 is a very sensitive adjustment. If > you have it set too rich, you will not see any difference in full lean > at idle. > When I was running the EFS-2, I also had this phenomena. Once you get > the idle mixture needle set ptoperly, you will shut the engine doen by > pulling lead at idle. I always adjusted mine while the engine was > running, but then > I have nerves of steel and am not afraid of being that close to a > turning prop. I am sure you have seen photos of me making adjustments > behind a running prop. Caution: do not try it unless you too have > nerves of steel. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > web page: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run > > > > Thanks. I have been through the manual. It seems very odd that it > > runs > the > > same with the holes pointed into the wind. I cannot see how this is > > possible. Anyway, I sent a question off to Ellison and maybe they > > have a > > resolution. If I don't get an answer back, I will call them. You > > would > not > > believe how much difference adding the secondary ignition made to > > the way > > this engine runs. > > > > I just realized one of my worst fears concerning this fuel sender > > saga. There is not enough room between the deck and the tank, to > > install the > probe > > I either have to make a bump on top of the tank, or I have to make > > a recess into the tank.. Given the choice, which one would you > > choose? > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is > > a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Mark Langford > > Date: 06/12/05 16:25:04 > > To: KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run > > > > Dan Heath wrote: > > > > > We are using an EFS-2 and the mixture needle does turn properly > > > when the > > > mixture is adjusted, however, I can tell no difference between > > > full rich > > and > > > full lean in the operation of the engine. Could the idle mixture > > adjustment > > > cause this? > > > > I don't think the idle mixture affects the rest of the range much, > > especially if set correctly. I believe it's a separate circuit. If > you've > > got the idle mixture set right (smoothest idle at whatever speed you want > it > > to be) then it's right and there's nothing else to do with it. Mine will > > quit pretty quick if turned full lean, so I'm surprised that you > > can't > find > > any different rich to lean. Sounds like a call to Ellison is in > > order tomorrow. I'm sure you've already seen the manual at > > http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/manual/manual.htm , or have a > > copy already. > > > > Congratulations on getting a little closer! > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:49:50 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002701c56fba$30dc6ec0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original my worst fears Hi Dan I'm glad to hear about the great progress on the engine runs. As for the fuel sender, mine (a capacitance type) is installed in the aft wall of my tank. It is up high, but is still below the fuel level when the tank is full. It has never leaked, in the 15 or so years since it was installed. Perhaps you can consider an installation like this. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:51:43 -0500 (CDT) From: blindate@seark.net Subject: KR> second engine run To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1114.66.138.162.115.1118631103.squirrel@www.seark.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Dan,I had similar experience with my EFS2.It would fly the same way.Didn't make any difference in needle position but could not get it quite rich enough.I experimented with filter arrangements and eventually got it right.Air flow appears to be the answer.At least for me and my installation.Enjoy the posts.Also on my primer I had some fuel leaking into the engine at idle.Leaky primer.Made it run rich at idle and couldn't adjust it with idle screw.Put a shutoff valve on primer and now it's good to go.Tommy W. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:02:15 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Sender To: Message-ID: <003501c56fc4$4ddbf0e0$c7432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan I made a simple recess box by glassing over the end of a box large enough to hold the sender base and that is all, then cut the hole just large enough to allow the sender "box" to be pressed into the tank and floxed into place, after having cut open for the sender/float assembly and drilling for the mounting screws. Floxed into tank top, then mounted sender, then floxed cut out piece back into place, with small channel dremelled out for the wires to the firewall, and on to the gauge. Pictures shows this on my web page. Colin crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:59:31 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good to see that you got the ignition working. My electronic and mags were both timed to within a gnats ass of each other. I spent a long time getting them perfect. On mine during a run up at about 1,700 RPM you could not tell any difference at all if you shut the mag. You lost the tach when you shut the mag so you could not see a drop anyway, but there was no perceptible loss in RPM. If you shut the electronic you yould barely tell a difference. You could not really see it on the tach, but it ran just a bit smoother sounding with the electronic on. At idle it ran just a tad rougher sounding with either switched off. If your RPM is increasing with the electronic switched on you have the electronic advanced a little bit more than the mag. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 1:56 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Second engine run Today, we ran the engine for the second time. The EGT and CHT are now working properly but the OT and OP still do not register at all. I am a bit puzzled by this, but will pull out the old volt meter and do some more checking. the really good news is that the electronic ignition is working perfectly and really made an already smooth engine run even better. There is a definite increase in RPM when the system is turned on. It also makes me think that the Mag is timed a bit on the side of advance, so we will back off that about 3 degrees for the next run. We are using an EFS-2 and the mixture needle does turn properly when the mixture is adjusted, however, I can tell no difference between full rich and full lean in the operation of the engine. Could the idle mixture adjustment cause this? Full lean puts the holes in the needle facing directly into the incoming air, so I don't see how it can get any fuel in that setting, but it is. Now to replace the fuel sender and gauge and to correct the problems with the OT and OP, fill up the brakes with fluid, finish up the cowling and take it to the airport. The spinner is finished and you can see it on the plane in the first pic at http://kr-builder.org/FinishingUp/index.html Click on any pic for a full view in the viewing pane. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 231 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================