From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 240 Date: 6/19/2005 9:00:20 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Working hard and getting nowhere (Martindale Family) 2. Feeling much better now (Dan Heath) 3. fuel flow computer (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 4. Re: Where to Start? (RICHARD ALPS) 5. Re: painting WAFs. (Robert Morrissey) 6. Oops (RICHARD ALPS) 7. RE: Oops (Joachim Saupe) 8. RE: glide rato.. (Brian Kraut) 9. Re: fuel flow computer (Barry Kruyssen) 10. Where To Start? (joseph) 11. Re: Where To Start? (Barry Kruyssen) 12. RE: Where To Start? (Joachim Saupe) 13. ignition coil failure (phil brookman) 14. Re: glide rato.. (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 15. Fuel Probe Surgery (Dan Heath) 16. kr (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 17. Re: Where To Start? (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 18. RE: kr (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:42:12 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> Working hard and getting nowhere To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001801c574aa$c9c4afe0$e7e7eddc@martindale> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Dan This probably sounds really obvious but have you got a good ground between the engine, its mount and the battery -ve terminal. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: KR> Working hard and getting nowhere > I have been fighting this problem for over three weeks now, so I am throwing > it out to you Netters ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:34:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Feeling much better now To: Message-ID: <42B5ACC0.000003.03708@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks to those who offered a solution to my OP/OT problem. Jerry came over today and we went back to the beginning and started checking continuity and voltages. We found that we had +12 when checked one way and did not have it when checked another, so decided to follow the wire back to the source, the IGN buss. Then it hit me. I had originally planned to have a separate "IGN" buss just for the fuel pumps that would be hot as long as the master switch was on, and the rest of the IGN buss would be powered when the master and IGN switches were on. Well, as I plundered through my work of wiring up the instrument panel, I forgot about that grand plan and wired the pumps directly to the master switch. So, that part of the buss never got any power. When my grandson connected the +12 from the instruments to the buss, he chose those two points for connection. I moved them with much difficulty and the instruments appear to want to work But, as I say, the proof is in the ...... However, when we pumped up the brakes, we found a break in one of the brake lines, so the "fun" is not over yet. Happy building. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:16:08 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> fuel flow computer To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <15a.52dbdd7a.2fe71068@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I am currently testing a marine fuel flow computer. So far it works well on my gravity feed system. It flowed 15 g/hr with the fuel line disconnected at the carb. Takeoff in the Corvair gives me 7.1 g/hr and cruise t 165mph about 5.5 - real close to what I was expecting. The nice thing will be having the fuel totalizer and be able to judge the amount of fuel left easier. The cost was only @150.00 from a marine supplier. It is easy to use and has easy to read numbers and backlighting. Just for your info... Bill ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:48:54 -0600 From: "RICHARD ALPS" Subject: Re: KR> Where to Start? To: "KR Net" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Joseph, Hello. I am sure you have received a ton of replies from well wishers. I want to add my two cents also. I am an older pilot (65) with about 400 hours in Cessna type airplanes. I am building a KR-2 for my very own, and I love this little plane. There are two reasons, well probably more than two, but I want a fast cross country plane to make visiting my family easier, and the KR-2 and KR-2S are about the very lowest cost to build/own of anything out there. Cost, for me is a huge factor, as I really don't have any money. There have been recent articles on owning airplanes in many of the aviation magazines (Sport Aviation, AOPA Pilot, Flying, Kit Planes, etc.) and of some importance is the running cost. This includes hangar space, annual inspections, insurance, cost of operation, and maintenance. As a single item, if by chance, you should buy a factory built airplane, and the engine should go bad, you could face a repair bill way up in the thousands. Buying a replacement engine, brand new could easily run $50,000. I should think that it would be most difficult for you to truly know the extent of what you would use this home built airplane for, that you are considering. If you could be sure that you were only going to use it for week-end sky hops around your own airport, you could select a slow, simple (no gear retract, no turbo, no IFR instruments, etc.) airplane. The Pietenpohl Air Camper comes to mind. Again, a lovely small airplane, excellent for home shop construction. If you are into metal, a Zodiac, or Van's RV-8 would be excellent, but somewhat more expensive. To me, a lot of the cost is in the engine. When you are going to have to put in a Lycoming or Continental engine, the cost really goes up. I am going to use a Chevrolet Corvair motor, through the guidance of William Wynne, The Corvair Authority, and my engine cost will be 1/10 of that otherwise burdening me. The things to know about the KR-2 are: it is small. If you are 6'7" and weigh 280 lbs, you won't be able to carry a passenger, and you might have trouble cramming yourself into the cockpit. It is plans built, though you can buy some formed parts from Rand Robinson, like turtle deck, cowling and wing skins. These are excellent parts, and they will speed your construction a lot, though you could build these pieces cheaper, if you want to. There are several variations on power currently being used, VW being the original offering from Rand Robinson. It is the engine Ken Rand first used (so far as I know) in his original design of the KR. And I guess, the most obvious thing is that the plane is what is called composite The fuselage is primarily wood, with wood spars for the wings, and foam and glass everywhere else. Best wishes on your choice. Richard Alps . ----- Original Message ----- From: joseph Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:39 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Where to Start? Hello all. I'm new to the KR world, and find all of the information very helpful. I do however have a question that I am hoping someone could help me with. I want to build a plane because I enjoy all aspects of building ANYTHING. Here in lies the question I have never flown a day in my life, and would of course take lessons, would this be a good plane to own as a first for a novice pilot? I do understand that building this plane is not an overnight thing so I would have time to hone my flying skills. Any advice you may have to offer would be very helpful. Thanks again for all of the great information. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:49:22 -0400 From: "Robert Morrissey" Subject: Re: KR> painting WAFs. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c574ff$9be3b080$0201a8c0@phoenix> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Hi Netters, > Some one recently asked about painting WAFs. If you go and talk to > your local auto body repair shop you can ask them how they prepare metal for painting. My local painter said that he now used " Green Epoxy Primer". He thinks that it is the best thing that has happened in years. I bought a can (very expensive), it works like a charm. Be sure that the metal is free of oil &/ grease.Use a small syringe to measure out 5 or 10 ml of epoxy and in my case an equal volume of hardener. It is very fluid, It contains a solvent that rapidly evaporates, the epoxy cures in about an hour. If there is any left in the mixture give the metal a second coat. > Regards > Harold Woods > Orillia, ON. Canada. > Netters/Harold, The US Navy uses "Green Epoxy Primer" on the metal structure of Naval aircraft that go thru Depot level rework and it proved far superior to zinc chromate primer. It is used to protect steel parts as well aluminum such as 7178-T6 and 7075-T6 which are always trying to change back to a white powder from corrosion. The Navy used to spend a lot of time cleaning and stripping off zinc chromate to inspect structure and then repainting with zinc chromate. When the change was made to the epoxy paint it became a wash the structure, blow it dry, and inspect for loose or missing paint ( which indicated possible corrosion). The missing paint area was inspected and any corrosion was treated based on type of structure metal and recoated with "green Epoxy primer". No top coat was applied to the interior structure, just the primer. "Green Epoxy Primer" is not used for joining bolted parts together. That is where zinc chromate was still being used. With the EPA trying to get rid of chromium from the environment I am not aware of what is being used at this time. Harold is there any identifying name or product information on your "Green Epoxy Primer"? It would make a good starting point for finding it this side of the border. Bob Morrissey New Bern NC ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:18:36 -0600 From: "RICHARD ALPS" Subject: KR> Oops To: "KR Net" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To all you Netheads, Sorry, I was trying to send this to Joseph. My mistake. Richard Alps ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:36:59 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> Oops To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220056019213659328@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well, you did.....also. ;-} Joachim > [Original Message] > From: RICHARD ALPS > To: KR Net > Date: 6/19/2005 4:18:41 PM > Subject: KR> Oops > > To all you Netheads, > > Sorry, I was trying to send this to Joseph. > > My mistake. > > > > Richard Alps > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:24:38 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> glide rato.. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 68" diameter? What kind of gear legs do you have? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jeff Scott Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 4:54 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> glide rato.. That's probably just the compression ratio. They typical Cont and Lyc are pretty low compression. The O-235 on my Tomahawk and O-200 on my KR have both been upgraded to high compression pistons. They are very stiff to pull against the compression. At tiny bump in the compression ratio makes a huge difference in the way it feels when you pull the prop through. I've heard that referred to as "the engine has good rubber". I would bet that the O-200 on my KR won't windmill at glide speeds, even with the 68" diameter prop that I use. Of course if you're referring to the bearings being tight, that's an assembly issue, but that would also show itself via oil pressure and/or metal in the oil filter/screen in very short order. Come back for the spam can guys: Tell them that theirs would be tight too if they had any compression. Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM -- "Al Friesen" wrote: All, I have been told in the hangar group that my VW Revmaster is way too tight. All the conts and lyks are easier to turn over than my VW. Any come backs on these Spam can guys. ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Golden, Kevin" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: RE: KR> glide rato.. >A windmilling prop does more than disturb air over the airframe. A >windmilling prop will cause a huge amount of drag that is NEAR equal to >the rotational disc of the prop. > > Not to worry. I haven't seen a VW or corvair windmill. Lycoming and > Continentals will. > > Kevin. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Mingear [mailto:dennismingear@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:02 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> glide rato.. > > If the prop stops in a horizontal position it will > disturb the airflow over the wing, making it seem > smaller than it actually is, this will reduce the > planes L/D. > > If the prop stops vertically the airflow over the wing > is not disturbed and you have more effective wing > area, producing more lift, which improves the planes > L/D. > > If the prop is windmilling it is intermittantly > disturbing the airflow over the wing which is hurting > the wings ability to produce lift and hurting the > planes L/D. > > Denny ... > > --- "Kenneth B. Jones" wrote: > >> Perhaps the stopped prop is less drag because it's >> stalled. >> >> Below is data taken from my flight test. My idle >> setting was about 800 to >> 900 rpm, a little high, at the time. Speeds are >> indicated knots. My plane >> stalls at about 50 knots indicated so I didn't check >> the glide below 60 kts. >> Surely the ratio will start back the other way >> before it stalls. I have a >> KR-2 with Diehl wings, 3 blade Warp drive taper >> blade 58" prop set at 19.5 >> degrees at the tip, A65, empty weight is 623 lbs., >> full fuel is 14 gal and I >> weigh about 180. >> >> Glide >> Speed Descent Distance Glide >> kts ft/min NM/1000 ft. Ratio >> 60 400 2.50 15.18 >> 65 442.5 2.45 12.93 >> 70 525 2.22 11.73 >> 75 625 2.00 10.56 >> 80 750 1.78 9.39 >> 85 800 1.77 9.35 >> 90 900 1.67 8.80 >> 95 1100 1.44 7.60 >> 100 1500 1.11 5.87 >> >> >> BTW, Bill's 2.5 miles per 1000 ft altitude is a >> glide ratio of 13.2 : 1 (if >> I calculated correctly). >> >> Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com >> Sharonville, OH >> N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barry Kruyssen" >> To: "KRnet" >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:31 PM >> Subject: Re: KR> what a day./ glide rato.. >> >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner >> I doubt if a stopped >> > propeller is going to triple that number >> > >> > A stopped prop actually produces less drag, don't >> know the reason but have >> > tried it in self launch gliders (without >> feathering the prop) both idling >> > engine and stoped, there is noticeably less drag >> when the prop was >> > stopped. Also it is better for the prop to stop >> vertically so any >> > vortices from the prop don't upset the air flow >> over the wing, so I'm told >> > but I couldn't tell the difference :-) >> > >> > regards >> > Barry Kruyssen >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at >> http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the > monkey patriotic." > > Scott Ritter > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > *The information contained in this message may be confidential and/or > subject to legal privilege, and is for the use of the intended addressee > only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or copying of the information > in this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message > in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.* > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:19:01 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> fuel flow computer To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <092301c57525$48991980$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Bill Can I get Make and model for that fuel flow computer please Regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: IFLYKRS@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 4:16 AM Subject: KR> fuel flow computer I am currently testing a marine fuel flow computer. So far it works well on my gravity feed system. It flowed 15 g/hr with the fuel line disconnected at the carb. Takeoff in the Corvair gives me 7.1 g/hr and cruise t 165mph about 5.5 - real close to what I was expecting. The nice thing will be having the fuel totalizer and be able to judge the amount of fuel left easier. The cost was only @150.00 from a marine supplier. It is easy to use and has easy to read numbers and backlighting. Just for your info... Bill _______________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:23:32 -0700 From: "joseph" Subject: KR> Where To Start? To: Message-ID: <000001c57525$e87f8c40$640fa8c0@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for all of the information I received on starting my project. After doing some research and reading all of the threads I could, I have decided that I will start building my project just as soon as I can. I have looked at other homebuilt planes out there, and this seems like the way to go. One question that I have found no answer for is has anyone tried to run hydraulic controls for all the systems i.e. rudder elevator etc? I would love to come to the fly in even though I cannot fly yet; it seems like a great thing. Thanks again Joseph J. Jensen ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:36:19 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Where To Start? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <093201c57527$b32a8610$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" to much weight in hydrolic controls regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: joseph To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: KR> Where To Start? Thanks for all of the information I received on starting my project. After doing some research and reading all of the threads I could, I have decided that I will start building my project just as soon as I can. I have looked at other homebuilt planes out there, and this seems like the way to go. One question that I have found no answer for is has anyone tried to run hydraulic controls for all the systems i.e. rudder elevator etc? I would love to come to the fly in even though I cannot fly yet; it seems like a great thing. Thanks again Joseph J. Jensen ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:00:16 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> Where To Start? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005612000160@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Josepgh, Come to the Fly-in anyhow. I drove there last year myself. GREAT bunch of guys and gurls! I did sell my KR project earlier this year but plan on being in Mt. Vermont again this year. Joachim ? I would love to come to the fly in even though I cannot fly yet; it > seems like a great thing. Thanks again > > Joseph J. Jensen > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:21:32 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: KR> ignition coil failure To: Message-ID: <00d601c5752e$02c6de20$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi all i have a 1834 vw with hapi conversion and have a coil gone down looking in the log book its the 3-4 coil its had 130 hrs its a blue coil with 2 outlets - ht cables and one lt feed into it i am told they are harly davidson coils question can i stick any coil on ,thats siutable for 12v operation therre are many motorcycle coild out there , so wondering if one of them would be a whole lot better been told to mount them on the firewall so they get less vibration comments please phil -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.7/20 - Release Date: 16/06/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:14:30 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> glide rato.. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050619.191431.2684.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 30" Diehl gear legs. Larry and I have the only two sets. Jeff Scott On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:24:38 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > 68" diameter? What kind of gear legs do you have? > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf > Of > Jeff Scott > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 4:54 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> glide rato.. > > > > That's probably just the compression ratio. They typical Cont and > Lyc are > pretty low compression. The O-235 on my Tomahawk and O-200 on my KR > have > both been upgraded to high compression pistons. They are very stiff > to pull > against the compression. At tiny bump in the compression ratio > makes a huge > difference in the way it feels when you pull the prop through. I've > heard > that referred to as "the engine has good rubber". > > I would bet that the O-200 on my KR won't windmill at glide speeds, > even > with the 68" diameter prop that I use. > > Of course if you're referring to the bearings being tight, that's > an > assembly issue, but that would also show itself via oil pressure > and/or > metal in the oil filter/screen in very short order. > > Come back for the spam can guys: Tell them that theirs would be > tight too if > they had any compression. > > Jeff Scott > Los Alamos, NM > > -- "Al Friesen" wrote: > All, > I have been told in the hangar group that my VW Revmaster is way too > tight. > All the conts and lyks are easier to turn over than my VW. Any come > backs > on these Spam can guys. ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Golden, Kevin" > To: "'KRnet'" > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 7:15 AM > Subject: RE: KR> glide rato.. > > > >A windmilling prop does more than disturb air over the airframe. > A > > windmilling prop will cause a huge amount of drag that is NEAR > equal to > > the > > rotational disc of the prop. > > > > Not to worry. I haven't seen a VW or corvair windmill. Lycoming > and > > Continentals will. > > > > Kevin. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Mingear [mailto:dennismingear@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:02 AM > > To: KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR> glide rato.. > > > > If the prop stops in a horizontal position it will > > disturb the airflow over the wing, making it seem > > smaller than it actually is, this will reduce the > > planes L/D. > > > > If the prop stops vertically the airflow over the wing > > is not disturbed and you have more effective wing > > area, producing more lift, which improves the planes > > L/D. > > > > If the prop is windmilling it is intermittantly > > disturbing the airflow over the wing which is hurting > > the wings ability to produce lift and hurting the > > planes L/D. > > > > Denny ... > > > > --- "Kenneth B. Jones" wrote: > > > >> Perhaps the stopped prop is less drag because it's > >> stalled. > >> > >> Below is data taken from my flight test. My idle > >> setting was about 800 to > >> 900 rpm, a little high, at the time. Speeds are > >> indicated knots. My plane > >> stalls at about 50 knots indicated so I didn't check > >> the glide below 60 kts. > >> Surely the ratio will start back the other way > >> before it stalls. I have a > >> KR-2 with Diehl wings, 3 blade Warp drive taper > >> blade 58" prop set at 19.5 > >> degrees at the tip, A65, empty weight is 623 lbs., > >> full fuel is 14 gal and I > >> weigh about 180. > >> > >> Glide > >> Speed Descent Distance Glide > >> kts ft/min NM/1000 ft. Ratio > >> 60 400 2.50 15.18 > >> 65 442.5 2.45 12.93 > >> 70 525 2.22 11.73 > >> 75 625 2.00 10.56 > >> 80 750 1.78 9.39 > >> 85 800 1.77 9.35 > >> 90 900 1.67 8.80 > >> 95 1100 1.44 7.60 > >> 100 1500 1.11 5.87 > >> > >> > >> BTW, Bill's 2.5 miles per 1000 ft altitude is a > >> glide ratio of 13.2 : 1 (if > >> I calculated correctly). > >> > >> Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com > >> Sharonville, OH > >> N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Barry Kruyssen" > >> To: "KRnet" > >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:31 PM > >> Subject: Re: KR> what a day./ glide rato.. > >> > >> > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner > >> I doubt if a stopped > >> > propeller is going to triple that number > >> > > >> > A stopped prop actually produces less drag, don't > >> know the reason but have > >> > tried it in self launch gliders (without > >> feathering the prop) both idling > >> > engine and stoped, there is noticeably less drag > >> when the prop was > >> > stopped. Also it is better for the prop to stop > >> vertically so any > >> > vortices from the prop don't upset the air flow > >> over the wing, so I'm told > >> > but I couldn't tell the difference :-) > >> > > >> > regards > >> > Barry Kruyssen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at > >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > >> KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> please see other KRnet info at > >> http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> > > > > > > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make > the > > monkey patriotic." > > > > Scott Ritter > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > *The information contained in this message may be confidential > and/or > > subject to legal privilege, and is for the use of the intended > addressee > > only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or copying of the > information > > in this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message > > in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this > message.* > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: > 6/17/2005 > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:30:17 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Fuel Probe Surgery To: Message-ID: <42B61C29.000003.02796@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As I posted a little earlier, Jerry and I have solved all the instrument problems. This post is a little gory, so if you cringe at the sight of surgery, don't look. It shows the process for putting in a new fuel probe in the fiberglass tank and is very similar to the one that Colin did several years ago. http://kr-builder.org/FinishingUp/index.html See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:01:28 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: KR> kr To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1a0.361a4500.2fe78b88@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" hi everyone, does someone out there have enough extra gap seal mat'l i can buy for my kr2 wings, i can buy? steve jones, n212kr, venice fl oh yea, an update , n212 kr is up & flyin with it's new turbo corvair eng. & so far no problems other than too much prop, soon to be resolved.10 hrs tt so far! it's a real power house. with 10 inches of too much pitch @ 2500 rpm's , it'll still climb 1500 ft/min all the way up,so far to 6500 ft. cant wait to try the right prop & get 3800 rpm :-) ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:01:41 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Where To Start? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050619.230302.2824.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Every thing that you change will make for a longer build time, Virg On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:23:32 -0700 "joseph" writes: > Thanks for all of the information I received on starting my project. > After doing some research and reading all of the threads I could, I > have > decided that I will start building my project just as soon as I can. > I > have looked at other homebuilt planes out there, and this seems like > the > way to go. One question that I have found no answer for is has > anyone > tried to run hydraulic controls for all the systems i.e. rudder > elevator > etc? I would love to come to the fly in even though I cannot fly > yet; it > seems like a great thing. Thanks again > > Joseph J. Jensen > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:40:29 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> kr To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Great to see you back up again. How are the speeds so far? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of FIXERJONES@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:01 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> kr hi everyone, does someone out there have enough extra gap seal mat'l i can buy for my kr2 wings, i can buy? steve jones, n212kr, venice fl oh yea, an update , n212 kr is up & flyin with it's new turbo corvair eng. & so far no problems other than too much prop, soon to be resolved.10 hrs tt so far! it's a real power house. with 10 inches of too much pitch @ 2500 rpm's , it'll still climb 1500 ft/min all the way up,so far to 6500 ft. cant wait to try the right prop & get 3800 rpm :-) _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 240 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================