From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 252 Date: 6/28/2005 9:00:19 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. back to work/turo question (Brian Kraut) 2. Re: back to work/turo question (Orma) 3. RE: motivation (Jeff Scott) 4. KR-1 and Revmaster for sale (sixfeetsmall@alaweb.com) 5. Wheels and Cleveland Brakes (Mark Jones) 6. Re: Performance Valve Jobs (Scott Cable) 7. RE: motivation (Ron Eason) 8. RE: motivation (Jeff Scott) 9. Re: back to work/turo question (larry severson) 10. Re: KR-1 and Revmaster for sale (larry severson) 11. Re: KR-1 and Revmaster for sale (jim mcdonaugh) 12. Cowl Attach with Piano Hinge (Dan Heath) 13. Re: Cowl Attach with Piano Hinge (Mark Jones) 14. Are leader mark L (Flymaca711689@aol.com) 15. more Revmaster questions (Brian Kraut) 16. RE: more Revmaster questions (Steve Glover) 17. Re: Are leader mark L (Mark Langford) 18. RE: more Revmaster questions (Brian Kraut) 19. RE: Are leader mark L (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:07:46 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> back to work/turo question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Now that the Stang is at the airport I swept out the garage today and rolled the KR back in. I can't wait to start getting to work on the new wing and the Grove gear conversion. I need to get the Revmaster started and get it all lubed up again. Is there anything special I need to do to the turbo since the engine has not run in months? I was going to change the oil in the engine and see if I can get my fingers in the turbo to make sure it spins O.K., but I don't know if there is anything else special I should do. I am also assuming that there is no way I can accidently overboost this engine. There is no waste gate or any other way to control the turbo so I am asuming that it is not capable of overboosting? Can anyone tell me what manifold pressure is normal on this engine? I have never had a turbo before. Got another flight on the Stang yesterday and put on .8 hours and three good landings. Three hundred bucks today to replace the bad starter on the O-200 and I hope I can do more flying than working on the plane now. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:46:46 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> back to work/turo question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c57bdf$72dac2f0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Well, no waste gate! The power to spin the turbo comes from the exhaust. If the system including the exhaust is all revmaster, you could say that it will run only as hard as their design speed. I hear that a revmaster engine is good to about 20,000 feet, which to me means that it produces more boost on the ground then it needs. But, the rpm that the engine produces is also proportional to the load out front (Propeller). If the prop is under pitched, the engine can spin faster and have a greater exhaust flow, resulting in more boost. Basically everything I just said is only so much BS and can go out the window. After the engine starts, apply power slowly and watch the MP gauge for changes. If you slam the throttle to WOT, you will get a larger initial boost which could overboost the engine. Slow changes don't react the same way. As for the gauge, in my car I have a boost gauge, in the plane I have a MP gauge. The boost gauge goes from 0 to 20 psi and usually reads between 10 and 12. It will show a spike during shift changes in the range of 15, if I shift with my foot on the floor. In the plane my gauge reads in inches hg. With the engine off, it sets at the pressure for the day(29.92). After start up it reads a vacuum until about 2000 rpm. At that point, the MP starts to come up and will pass the standard day reading and continue to boost till it gets to about 35 in hg. All of this is with the waste gate closed. As to what to do to prep the turbo, Spinning it is a good thing. I would also open the oil pressure line and try to push some oil in the bearings to make sure it is not dry. Oil the remainder of the engine as well. Squirt some in the plug holes as well. I hope this helps you Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:02:52 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: RE: KR> motivation To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050628.070255.22320.259014@webmail17.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain I had a similar experience last year at the Copperstate Fly-In. Steve Glover had a guy talking to him about his KR. They guy said he had started building a KR once, but had sold the project to a guy in NM named Scott. Steve pointed back about three rows behind where he was parked and suggested that he come check out my KR. Yep, it was the gentleman that had started the project that I had bought and finished. He was like a proud papa as he crawled all over the plane showing his friends the plane and snapping photos of it. It was a very enjoyable experience meeting up with him again and him getting to see his dream finished and flying. Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM -- "Brian Kraut" wrote: Thanks for sharing that. Amazing how a plane can touch you. I just got this email yesterday from the daughter of the man I bought the Stang from and it nearly brought a tear to my eyes. I knew when I bought the plane that he just wanted to see it finished and in the air. Inspiring people to finish and fly their planes before they just give up or loose their medical is a noble cause and you are certainly doing your part. There is nothing more satisfying than flying something that you created. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:41:51 -600 From: sixfeetsmall@alaweb.com Subject: KR> KR-1 and Revmaster for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <42c161af.19cc.0@alaweb.com> I have a KR-1 fuselage and a Revmaster 2100 with 50hrs for sale. Warnke Prop. I installed the motor recently and have run it several times. Really strong engine. Well built fuselage. Sliding canopy. Instrument panel built but not wired. Lots of extras!!! Wings are unattached and in need or repair or rebiulding. Asking $5500 but will not refuse any REASONABLE offer. I will not part out. Andrew Lee ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:35:44 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Wheels and Cleveland Brakes To: "KR Net \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C42C7@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a set on eBay ending in 1 hour and twenty minutes going for $150. They are correct for KR. One wheel is damaged but is easily replaced for a few bucks. Wick's has the wheel. What a deal Just thought some of you would like to know. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=26439&item=4557862617&rd=1 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Performance Valve Jobs To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050628173340.18022.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Phil, Valves commonly have a 45 degree face, which seats against a like angle in the combustion chamber / port. Back-cutting the valve means that a 30 degree face is added, tanget to the existing 45 degree face, but not cutting into the 45 degree face. The 30 degree face should be approximately the same length as the 45 degree face or .100 - .125 inch. This "back-cut" gets it's name from the fact that the new face or cut is on the back face of the valve. phil brookman wrote: not too sure what you mean by back cutting the valves can you explain p Scott Cable Jamestown, ND s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:55:19 -0700 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: RE: KR> motivation To: KRnet Message-ID: <200506281055.AA549453918@jrl-engineering.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wish Al Brown could of seen mine when I finish his. KRron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jeff Scott" Reply-To: KRnet Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:02:52 GMT I had a similar experience last year at the Copperstate Fly-In. Steve Glover had a guy talking to him about his KR. They guy said he had started building a KR once, but had sold the project to a guy in NM named Scott. Steve pointed back about three rows behind where he was parked and suggested that he come check out my KR. Yep, it was the gentleman that had started the project that I had bought and finished. He was like a proud papa as he crawled all over the plane showing his friends the plane and snapping photos of it. It was a very enjoyable experience meeting up with him again and him getting to see his dream finished and flying. Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM -- "Brian Kraut" wrote: Thanks for sharing that. Amazing how a plane can touch you. I just got this email yesterday from the daughter of the man I bought the Stang from and it nearly brought a tear to my eyes. I knew when I bought the plane that he just wanted to see it finished and in the air. Inspiring people to finish and fly their planes before they just give up or loose their medical is a noble cause and you are certainly doing your part. There is nothing more satisfying than flying something that you created. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:46:01 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: RE: KR> motivation To: ron@jrl-engineering.com, krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050628.115015.3991.262374@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Yeah. It's too bad he's gone. Good guy from what little I knew about him. I'll bet his family would appreciate a photo when it's flying. Jeff -- "Ron Eason" wrote: I wish Al Brown could of seen mine when I finish his. KRron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jeff Scott" Reply-To: KRnet Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:02:52 GMT I had a similar experience last year at the Copperstate Fly-In. Steve Glover had a guy talking to him about his KR. They guy said he had started building a KR once, but had sold the project to a guy in NM named Scott. Steve pointed back about three rows behind where he was parked and suggested that he come check out my KR. Yep, it was the gentleman that had started the project that I had bought and finished. He was like a proud papa as he crawled all over the plane showing his friends the plane and snapping photos of it. It was a very enjoyable experience meeting up with him again and him getting to see his dream finished and flying. Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM -- "Brian Kraut" wrote: Thanks for sharing that. Amazing how a plane can touch you. I just got this email yesterday from the daughter of the man I bought the Stang from and it nearly brought a tear to my eyes. I knew when I bought the plane that he just wanted to see it finished and in the air. Inspiring people to finish and fly their planes before they just give up or loose their medical is a noble cause and you are certainly doing your part. There is nothing more satisfying than flying something that you created. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:17:54 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> back to work/turo question To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050628140557.02237310@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I need to get the Revmaster started and get it all lubed up again. Is >there anything special I need to do to the turbo since the engine has >not run in months? I bought a plane that had sat for 3 years with a turbo Revmaster. I ended up having to clean the points on the mags, add oil, and start it. It ran immediately, and beautifully; however, it threw a bunch of oil out the exhaust until I ran it up and got the engine fully warmed up a couple times. >I was going to change the oil in the engine and see if I can get my >fingers in the turbo to make sure it spins O.K., but I don't know if >there is anything else special I should do. I am also assuming that >there is no way I can accidently overboost this engine. Wrong! The turbo is controlled with the throttle. Put on a big enough prop (I have a 54X54 which gives me just over 3000 static) or watch both the RPM and manifold pressure. Take off power should net 3200 RPM and 32-34 inches of pressure. In an emergency, you can go to 40 inches, but at the cost of engine life. Another thing to look at is the type of spark plugs. If they are aircraft, the heads normally have about 150 hours life. If they are auto, you have the new heads which add 5 HP and are basically life time. I will be putting on the new heads when I get near the 150 hour point. The new heads cost 3X the price of the old ones, but cheap at the price. Turbo (old heads) 75HP, new heads (80HP) No turbo 65-70HP Turbo version puts out more power than the O200 at 8000 ft. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:28:23 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 and Revmaster for sale To: sixfeetsmall@alaweb.com, KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050628142716.022334b0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Where are you. I know someone who might be interested in your KR1? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:30:19 -0400 From: "jim mcdonaugh" Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 and Revmaster for sale To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <006101c57c41$bb9b9020$9865fea9@siliconswamp1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original andrew were are you located and phone ? jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: KR> KR-1 and Revmaster for sale >I have a KR-1 fuselage and a Revmaster 2100 with 50hrs for sale. >Warnke >Prop. > I installed the motor recently and have run it several times. Really > strong > engine. Well built fuselage. Sliding canopy. Instrument panel built but > not > wired. Lots of extras!!! Wings are unattached and in need or repair or > rebiulding. > > Asking $5500 but will not refuse any REASONABLE offer. I will not > part > out. > > > Andrew Lee > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:51:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Cowl Attach with Piano Hinge To: Message-ID: <42C1FE8E.000007.03752@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For those of you who have already attached your bottom sides of your cowling to the firewall using piano hinges, what kind and size did you use? Thank you for your time. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:16:52 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Cowl Attach with Piano Hinge To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003b01c57c50$9dc21f60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Aluminum, rolled, 1.5" wide held on with stainless steel metal screws. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: KR> Cowl Attach with Piano Hinge > For those of you who have already attached your bottom sides of your cowling > to the firewall using piano hinges, what kind and size did you use? > > Thank you for your time. > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:01:15 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: KR> Are leader mark L To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I hope are leader is not to bummed over his hub problem and all you guys with covair parts are trying to get him back in the air . If there's a Nobel prize for Kr research he sure deserve it his honesty on flying and building a Kr have been exciting over the years I don't think my Kr would have ever got off ground without the Kr net thanks and i hope you get her in the air soon . 90 mph is the speed i glide is a better song then that sanding song and he can now hum that tune .yeaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:15:32 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> more Revmaster questions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I checked my turbo and it spins nice and free. The engine also turns over easily. The oil in it is obviously new. I will clean out the fuel tank and start it up as soon as I get a chance. While looking at the engine to see about draining the engine I noticed that the oil cooler is mounted on the bottom over the oil drain. There are two oil lines connected to it and it looks like a real pain to remove it completely to drain the oil every 50 hours. Did Revmaster make any other easy way to drain the oil other than to take the whole cooler assembly apart? Perhaps just disconecting one of the oil lines somewhere? Since it has a filter I am thinking that the screen can be removed instead of cleaning it every oil change, but there still needs to be an easy way to drain the oil. I'll make some kind of valve off the oil pump and something to suck the oil out before I remove the cooler every time unless the is already an easier way. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:21:56 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> more Revmaster questions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Did Revmaster make any other easy way to drain the oil other than to take the whole cooler assembly apart? Hi Brian, There is a cover that Revmaster produces that does just that. A drain with a threaded end is installed into a cast plate. The stopper has an "O" ring fitting that works very well. It protruded out from to the side and drains the oile without the need to remove the oil cooler. I have it on my engine and it makes life soooo much easier. Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:31:48 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Are leader mark L To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <258c01c57c5b$155a3a30$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Flymaca wrote: > I hope are leader is not to bummed over his hub problem and all you > guys with covair parts are trying to get him back in the air . Thanks. I'm gettin' there. I haven't posted much to KRnet on this because I figure it's a Corvair problem, not a KR problem, but I can tell you that it's apparently real important to "clock your prop" so that it is vertical when the cylinder that is closest to the prop hub (forward most) is at TDC. It's a pretty big difference in bending stresses that the crank journal sees. We had this discussion a while back and it was mentioned to clock it perpendicular to #1, but that's apparently only if #1 is the cylinder closest to the prop. The jury is still out, to some extent, but I've had some expert help on this, and am sending the crank to the "ultimate" aircraft crank failure expert tomorrow for an even more in-depth analysis. I'm not sure I've posted this to KRnet before, but the usual excruciating details are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/flexplate/problem.html . What passes for an answer is very close at hand. Just don't start a bunch of crazy speculation like what started on the CorvAircraft list. I couldn't take that all over again! I'm learning other things too (such as the importance of nitriding your crank) but I'll report on that shortly. Mine is going to the nitrider tomorrow. I'm up for some $150 insurance any time. Whatever it takes to keep from soloing a glider again. So far it looks as though the rear starter is not really the problem, but a "perfect storm" of other little problems that most people never think of, along with pushing the envelope a little, that all add up to be a "big" problem. More later, but right now I'm knee deep in building a new engine. I'll fly the plane to the Gathering for sure... Thanks for the kind words... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:32:07 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> more Revmaster questions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ah ha! I have a pipe threaded into the side near the back with a plug on it. I would have never thought to look there. Thanks for saving me a bunch of time. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steve Glover Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:22 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> more Revmaster questions Did Revmaster make any other easy way to drain the oil other than to take the whole cooler assembly apart? Hi Brian, There is a cover that Revmaster produces that does just that. A drain with a threaded end is installed into a cast plate. The stopper has an "O" ring fitting that works very well. It protruded out from to the side and drains the oile without the need to remove the oil cooler. I have it on my engine and it makes life soooo much easier. Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:47:31 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Are leader mark L To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I always assumed that nitriding gave you a thin hardened outer surface to slow wear, something like case hardening. I did not realize that it could help prevent breaks. Please elaborate on this when you give us your final results. I, and probably most of us, obviously don't know all there is to know about the process and would like to lean more. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:32 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Are leader mark L Flymaca wrote: > I hope are leader is not to bummed over his hub problem and all you > guys with covair parts are trying to get him back in the air . Thanks. I'm gettin' there. I haven't posted much to KRnet on this because I figure it's a Corvair problem, not a KR problem, but I can tell you that it's apparently real important to "clock your prop" so that it is vertical when the cylinder that is closest to the prop hub (forward most) is at TDC. It's a pretty big difference in bending stresses that the crank journal sees. We had this discussion a while back and it was mentioned to clock it perpendicular to #1, but that's apparently only if #1 is the cylinder closest to the prop. The jury is still out, to some extent, but I've had some expert help on this, and am sending the crank to the "ultimate" aircraft crank failure expert tomorrow for an even more in-depth analysis. I'm not sure I've posted this to KRnet before, but the usual excruciating details are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/flexplate/problem.html . What passes for an answer is very close at hand. Just don't start a bunch of crazy speculation like what started on the CorvAircraft list. I couldn't take that all over again! I'm learning other things too (such as the importance of nitriding your crank) but I'll report on that shortly. Mine is going to the nitrider tomorrow. I'm up for some $150 insurance any time. Whatever it takes to keep from soloing a glider again. So far it looks as though the rear starter is not really the problem, but a "perfect storm" of other little problems that most people never think of, along with pushing the envelope a little, that all add up to be a "big" problem. More later, but right now I'm knee deep in building a new engine. I'll fly the plane to the Gathering for sure... Thanks for the kind words... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 252 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================