From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 260 Date: 7/5/2005 3:37:44 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Stales (Joe Beyer) 2. Re: Arlington Roll Call (Bryan Valentine) 3. Re: Staples (patrusso) 4. staples (Don Chisholm) 5. COUNTDOWN (Mark Jones) 6. RE: Oshkosh Head Count (Wood, Sidney M.) 7. Holes through spars (Serge VIDAL) 8. Re: Holes through spars (phil brookman) 9. RE: Holes through spars (Mark Jones) 10. Re: Arlington Roll Call (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 11. RE: Arlington Roll Call (Jim Mullen) 12. Re: nylaflo brake lines (Joseph H. Horton) 13. Stub Wings (patrick36@usfamily.net) 14. Carb options? (Terry Teer) 15. Re: Stub Wings (Dan Heath) 16. Re: Stub Wings (wilder_jeff Wilder) 17. Re: Holes through spars (Dan Heath) 18. Re: Stub Wings (Dan Heath) 19. Re: Holes through spars (Joseph H Horton) 20. Re: Stub Wings (wilder_jeff Wilder) 21. Re: Stub Wings (Mark Jones) 22. Re: Holes through spars (patrusso) 23. R?f. : Re: KR> Holes through spars (Serge VIDAL) 24. R?f. : Re: KR> Holes through spars (Serge VIDAL) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:19:32 -0700 From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: KR> Stales To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When I removed all of my staples I put them into a cup and when finished, it weighed about a pound. -Joe >>> Sure would be nice not to have to remove those >>> staples. >> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:16:23 -0700 From: Bryan Valentine Subject: Re: KR> Arlington Roll Call To: KRnet Message-ID: <000801c58129$1172ddf0$5af04346@VALENTE6S4YLVB> Content-Type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Greetings All I plan on being there most of the week, would love to talk KRs B.M. Valentine (still building 2s) Duncan B.C. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:24:42 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Staples To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003401c58143$60af99c0$38a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Wax will diminish the holding pressure of the staple and could adversely affect any wood filler, bondo or finish that will be later used on the staple holes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> Staples >I will be interested to know what affect, if any, the wax has when you >try to paint. > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a > time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > -------Original Message------- > > > Try waxing the staples with floor wax before you load them in the staple > gun. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:12:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> staples To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050705111206.53271.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 being an upholsterer by trade I've yanked millions of staples best way is with a tack puller ( if you don't have access to staple puller tools) and a set of side cutters. What I did when I built my KR1 fuselage was staple over tacking strip so as not to leave staple marks on the plywood less to fill , less time.to finish ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:16:05 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> COUNTDOWN To: "KR Net \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C42EB@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 66 Days till the biggest KR event of the year......YOU have got to BE THERE !!!! This is your opportunity the see, touch, feel and explore the KR experience. If you do not come to the Gathering, you will never truly know what you missed. Pack your bags, take a shower, brush your teeth (if you have any) and hit the road or skies to MT Vernon, Illinois. Make plans to arrive on Sept 8th if you are a true KR die hard. If not, we will still be there Sept 9-11 so come on in anytime you can. We are one big family and want everyone present. JUST DO IT !!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:31:15 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Head Count To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I will be camping at Camp Schoeller and presenting Composites 101 twice a day at the Homebuilder's Workshops Friday, Saturday and Sunday. The Homebuilders dinner is 6:00 PM on Thursday at the Nature Center. Get tickets at the Homebuilders Headquarters by Noon on Thursday. Sid Wood a.k.a. Still Sanding Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Cell 240 538-8465 Sidney.wood@titan.com I plan to fly in on Sunday (weather permitting) and stay about 2 or 3 days. I plan to camp. I should arrive at KHFX about noon. Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH Cell 513/604-3273 N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig See the Pig leaving Sun 'n Fun 2005 http://bobby.hargrave.home.att.net/photos/SnF05/SnF05031.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: KR> Oshkosh Head Count > PLEASE RESPOND > > Who will be at Oshkosh and what days? > > Who is flying their KR to Oshkosh? > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:09:20 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: KR> Holes through spars To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think of drilling holes through the hollow part of the fore and aft spars, inside the cockpit, in order to route the various wires, and the Pitot-Static tubing. At present, they go around the spars. - Has anybody done that? - How big can I make the holes? - Do I need to reinforce the plywood where the holes are? - What could I use to plug the holes, to prevent chafing? (I was thinking of using plastic (PVC) tubing) Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:22:39 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> Holes through spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005801c5817d$c2ec5350$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 find another route serge try not to drill spars at all p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: KR> Holes through spars > I think of drilling holes through the hollow part of the fore and aft > spars, inside the cockpit, in order to route the various wires, and the > Pitot-Static tubing. At present, they go around the spars. > - Has anybody done that? > - How big can I make the holes? > - Do I need to reinforce the plywood where the holes are? > - What could I use to plug the holes, to prevent chafing? (I was thinking > of using plastic (PVC) tubing) > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 01/07/2005 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 21808 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 01/07/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:40:28 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Holes through spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C42EF@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge, I have done exactly as you are thinking of doing in the front main center spar. Make sure you only drill in the web and not any caps or vertical members. I drilled two holes each 3/4" diameter using a unibit which makes very nice smooth cuts. A rubber grommet was then inserted in the holes. One is for wiring, tubing and the other is for fuel line. You should be able to go under the rear spar so no drilling is required there. I have 26.6 flight hours and am in no way worried about the holes I installed. This is my opinion only, replicate at your own risk!!!! You could re-enforce the holes by laminating another sheet of ply thus having double thickness in the hole area but I did not feel this was necessary. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of phil brookman Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:23 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Holes through spars find another route serge try not to drill spars at all p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: KR> Holes through spars > I think of drilling holes through the hollow part of the fore and aft > spars, inside the cockpit, in order to route the various wires, and the > Pitot-Static tubing. At present, they go around the spars. > - Has anybody done that? > - How big can I make the holes? > - Do I need to reinforce the plywood where the holes are? > - What could I use to plug the holes, to prevent chafing? (I was thinking > of using plastic (PVC) tubing) > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 01/07/2005 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 21808 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 01/07/2005 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:15:19 -0700 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> Arlington Roll Call To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005901c5818d$80cd7ed0$6401a8c0@BUDDY> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original John, Sears Tool Territory has been kind to me and given me Friday and Saturday off, so I plan on going to the Arlington Fly-in those two days. I'll plan on being at the fire pit at 10:00am Saturday. At this point the weather forecast looks favorable for those that need to get over the Cascade mountain range. It would be good to see those KR-2s from Idaho and Utah again and also those from nearby British Columbia and Oregon. Hey California isn't that far away either. Bud Midkiff KR-2 Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html Link to Flyin: http://www.nweaa.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bouyea" To: "'KRNet'" Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: KR> Arlington Roll Call > The Northwest Regional event is just a few days away. I'd like to meet up > with any and all at the Arlington Fly In to talk KRs and hopefully see > Al's > newly fledged airplane. > > > > Al, Bud, anyone else? Should we meet at 10 on Saturday morning by the > fire > pit? > > > > John Bouyea > > KR2 - hanging the engine accessories > > KR2S - boat hanging from the rafters > > john_0310@bouyea.net > > www.bouyea.net > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:16:36 -0700 From: Jim Mullen Subject: RE: KR> Arlington Roll Call To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Add one more to the list of KR builders to meet at 10:00 AM on Saturday (Fire pit) Jim Mullen KR2S, Boat, completed, wing stub, and tail nearly completed on Wheels (conventional) gear -----Original Message----- From: Al Hawkins [mailto:awh.hawkins@telus.net] Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:07 PM To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR> Arlington Roll Call I will be there if three thing happen: 1: My fixed aluminium landing gear is repaired, it cracked vertically between the axle bolts, happened after the test period. The landing gear cracked after a large bounce, it was probably fatigued due to multiple ground loops. I tried to order a new one from Grove, but they have a 8 week lead time currently. 2: My C of A arrives before Friday, it was mailed today. 3: The weather, right now long term forecast does not look good. Robert Pyra will also try and be there as well with C-FAFY. Al Hawkins KR2 C-GDPU Port Coquitlam B.C. V3C 5Y7 -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+awh.hawkins=telus.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+awh.hawkins=telus.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of John Bouyea Sent: July 4, 2005 3:17 PM To: 'KRNet' Subject: KR> Arlington Roll Call The Northwest Regional event is just a few days away. I'd like to meet up with any and all at the Arlington Fly In to talk KRs and hopefully see Al's newly fledged airplane. X-SM-SEEN-40BD0F1D: 04.07.05 18:01:41 X-SM-From: johnbou@speakeasy.net+- X-SM-SPAMMARK: @WL X-SM-SPAMRATE: 0 Al, Bud, anyone else? Should we meet at 10 on Saturday morning by the fire pit? John Bouyea KR2 - hanging the engine accessories KR2S - boat hanging from the rafters john_0310@bouyea.net www.bouyea.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:50:17 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> nylaflo brake lines To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050705.155017.2676.9.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, I repaired my brake line yesterday and I have to admit that the failure was partially my fault. When I took it apart I noticed that I had tightened the plastic furrel down so tight that it was squeezed up through the top around the tubing. Clamping it together that hard compressed the tubing inside the furrel to the point of thinning it. The failure of the nylaflo tubing was most likely due to softening from over use of the left brake and also some bending due to the small amount of movement in the Cleveland brake assembly. For now I just repaired the nylaflo tube but a section of braided or aluminum tube is in my near future. On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 20:08:35 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > > I would not advise using copper for brake lines. > > If you do the math on it, the softest copper should still be > stronger than > Nylaflow. If you rule out copper, I'd say you also have to rule > out > Nylaflow. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:52:21 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Stub Wings To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <000801c581a3$712c2ce0$0500a8c0@domain.actdsltmp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would like to extend my stub wings by 1'. I have enough wood in my log to make one top main spar and top and bottom rear spar. If I stay at the plans spar (6') I can make top and bottom main spar and top and bottom of rear spar. Ouestion. Will I really gain anything worthwhile by adding a foot to the stub wings, or is the lift difference so small that it's really not worth it? Patrick Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:02:29 -0500 From: "Terry Teer" Subject: KR> Carb options? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c581a4$db7e14e0$6bf04fd8@TGSR41610670> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Recently purchased a Flying KR2, Revmaster 2180, Poza carb, without mixture control. During taxi, at times, the engine misses one beat. Every now and then the engine just dies alltogether and have to restart. It seems that it is a random thing. I can't get it to do it at will. Is this a common thing of the Poza carb? Should I look for another type of carb? Regards, Terry Teer Ackerman, MS ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:05:24 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Stub Wings To: Message-ID: <42CAF614.000001.03316@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you plan to add flaps, it will give you more length for them. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- Will I really gain anything worthwhile by adding a foot to the stub wings, or is the lift difference so small that it's really not worth it? ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:13:41 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: Re: KR> Stub Wings To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed flaps or ar brake? With the wing stubs only being 2 feet or so eithr side.. does flaps make much of a difference over an air brake under the belly? -Jeff >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: >Subject: Re: KR> Stub Wings >Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:05:24 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > >If you plan to add flaps, it will give you more length for them. > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics >There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for >building >has expired. >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >-------Original Message------- >Will I really gain anything worthwhile by adding a foot to the stub wings, >or is the lift difference so small that it's really not worth it? > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:16:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Holes through spars To: Message-ID: <42CAF8AD.000005.03316@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Your static is going to your instrument panel anyway, so, why not just run it under the longeron? you can run static on one side and wires on the other. you can also build a little tunnel just under each longeron, to be able to accommodate what ever you want. However, I think that re-inforcement is a good thing, but probably not necessary, if the holes are not too large and they are cleanly cut. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- drilling holes in order to route the various wires, and the Pitot-Static tubing. ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:27:06 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Stub Wings To: Message-ID: <42CAFB2A.000007.03316@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can only speak from having flown my first KR, no flaps or brake, and having been around the KR crowd for over 20 years. If I were to add a device for that purpose, it would be the brake. The KR has all the lift it needs when it get's into ground effect (let's not go there again, please). Flaps generate lift that you don't need. I also think that the brake is much more simple to install and maintain. However, as you already know, your results will vary. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- flaps or ar brake? ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:56:07 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: KR> Holes through spars To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050705.175607.-324021.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a couple holes through my spars also, The one thing that I followed was the practice of structural steel beams of keeping the hole in the center of the height and there is also a formula of hole size to web height that tells you when you need to start to reinforce the web. But none of it may apply to a wood box spar. This is just what I did and your results will certainly vary. Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:16:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > Your static is going to your instrument panel anyway, so, why not > just run > it under the longeron? you can run static on one side and wires on > the > other. you can also build a little tunnel just under each longeron, > to be > able to accommodate what ever you want. > > However, I think that re-inforcement is a good thing, but probably > not > necessary, if the holes are not too large and they are cleanly cut. > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > -------Original Message------- > > drilling holes in order to route the various wires, and the > Pitot-Static tubing. > _______________________________________ > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:01:53 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: Re: KR> Stub Wings To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed how far back from the main spar or rear spar should the mounting point of the air brake be located?.. how large should it be? material? -Jeff >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: >Subject: Re: KR> Stub Wings >Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:27:06 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > >I can only speak from having flown my first KR, no flaps or brake, and >having been around the KR crowd for over 20 years. If I were to add a >device >for that purpose, it would be the brake. The KR has all the lift it needs >when it get's into ground effect (let's not go there again, please). Flaps >generate lift that you don't need. I also think that the brake is much more >simple to install and maintain. > >However, as you already know, your results will vary. > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > >There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for >building >has expired. > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >-------Original Message------- > >flaps or ar brake? > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:14:43 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Stub Wings To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001701c581ae$f2e34380$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeff, Have you searched the KR Net archives on this topic. It has been discussed in depth many times over, even fairly recently. Here are a couple of links for you to investigate. http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/bellyboard.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: Re: KR> Stub Wings > how far back from the main spar or rear spar should the mounting point of > the air brake be located?.. how large should it be? material? > > -Jeff > > > >From: "Dan Heath" > >Reply-To: KRnet > >To: > >Subject: Re: KR> Stub Wings > >Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:27:06 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > > > >I can only speak from having flown my first KR, no flaps or brake, and > >having been around the KR crowd for over 20 years. If I were to add a > >device > >for that purpose, it would be the brake. The KR has all the lift it needs > >when it get's into ground effect (let's not go there again, please). Flaps > >generate lift that you don't need. I also think that the brake is much more > >simple to install and maintain. > > > >However, as you already know, your results will vary. > > > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > > >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > > >There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > >building > >has expired. > > > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > >flaps or ar brake? > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:16:02 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Holes through spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002401c581af$21bad740$60a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original S Not a problem! Drilling smalll holes thru the hollow section will not affect the strenght measureably. I have my wing tank fuel lines going thru the hollow section. See page 141 of the wicks catalog if you have one. I used rubber grommets where the lines go thru the plywood,.....less than 50 cents apiece. Small diameter rubber tubing will also work. Run it thru the spar, tie it off on each side of the spar with wire ties so it stays put, cut off the excess and run your wires thru....softer, more forgiving than hard PVC P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: KR> Holes through spars >I think of drilling holes through the hollow part of the fore and aft > spars, inside the cockpit, in order to route the various wires, and the > Pitot-Static tubing. At present, they go around the spars. > - Has anybody done that? > - How big can I make the holes? > - Do I need to reinforce the plywood where the holes are? > - What could I use to plug the holes, to prevent chafing? (I was thinking > of using plastic (PVC) tubing) > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:11:52 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Holes through spars To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Why not under the longeron? Because the area is already crowded. I have many, many things running over the main spar or on near it: throttle cable (mine is wall mounted), fuel lines (I have two long range tanks in the wing roots), VHF and transponder antenna cords, static and pitot lines, strobes lights wires, nav lights wires, electric trim wires, stick grip cables (I have dual stick with PTT and trim switches), Intercom cable ... and rudder cables, of course. So, a couple holes will give me some relief, and even save some weight. Actually, I was thinking more of putting a tube through the hole to protect for ingress (water, moisture, insects, dust...). For reinforcement, a small quantity of pywood will do. Serge Vidal "Dan Heath" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-07-05 23:16 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-07-05 23:31 Pour : cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Holes through spars Your static is going to your instrument panel anyway, so, why not just run it under the longeron? you can run static on one side and wires on the other. you can also build a little tunnel just under each longeron, to be able to accommodate what ever you want. However, I think that re-inforcement is a good thing, but probably not necessary, if the holes are not too large and they are cleanly cut. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- drilling holes in order to route the various wires, and the Pitot-Static tubing. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:37:16 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Holes through spars To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Aha! Rubber tubing! That's the type of idea I was looking for! Thanks, Gil. Serge "patrusso" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-07-06 00:16 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-07-06 00:20 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Holes through spars S Not a problem! Drilling smalll holes thru the hollow section will not affect the strenght measureably. I have my wing tank fuel lines going thru the hollow section. See page 141 of the wicks catalog if you have one. I used rubber grommets where the lines go thru the plywood,.....less than 50 cents apiece. Small diameter rubber tubing will also work. Run it thru the spar, tie it off on each side of the spar with wire ties so it stays put, cut off the excess and run your wires thru....softer, more forgiving than hard PVC P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: KR> Holes through spars >I think of drilling holes through the hollow part of the fore and aft > spars, inside the cockpit, in order to route the various wires, and the > Pitot-Static tubing. At present, they go around the spars. > - Has anybody done that? > - How big can I make the holes? > - Do I need to reinforce the plywood where the holes are? > - What could I use to plug the holes, to prevent chafing? (I was thinking > of using plastic (PVC) tubing) > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 260 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================