From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 276 Date: 7/17/2005 9:00:18 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. I'm hooked... (Mark Langford) 2. Re: structure (Joe Beyer) 3. Re: RE: what a day (Phillip Matheson) 4. YOU ARE INVITED (Mark Jones) 5. Gathering (patrick36@usfamily.net) 6. Re: Gathering (patrusso) 7. Gathering plans (larry flesner) 8. Re: Gathering (larry flesner) 9. Re: I'm hooked... (larry flesner) 10. Re: Gathering plans (Bob Glidden) 11. wheel pants and trim (Mark Langford) 12. Air Supply (Dan Heath) 13. Re: Air Supply (Mark Jones) 14. To turn back or not? (Ed Janssen) 15. Re: Air Supply (Mike Turner) 16. Re: wheel pants and trim (larry flesner) 17. RE: I'm hooked... (Brian Kraut) 18. RE: Air Supply (Brian Kraut) 19. RE: To turn back or not? (Brian Kraut) 20. Re: wheel pants and trim (jscott.pilot@juno.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:46:37 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> I'm hooked... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <13dc01c58a8a$844a9f10$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I'm Mark, and I'm hooked. For the first time in 5 weeks, I switched on the ignition of the KR tonight, just to see if it was still alive. It definitely is. The sound of that Facet pump ticking immediately gave me a little buzz that I now equate with KR flying. Yep, I'm hooked. I think Larry is on tap to give me my next fix. Talked to Bob Lester the other night, who's knee deep in rebuilding he KR2, and he said "You know how it is, once you've been there"... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:01:39 -0700 From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: KR> Re: structure To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message: 6 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:45:42 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> RE KR structure To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001201c589f3$841257a0$1ba772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original >1.8 dacron over the plywood??? I don't get it. It's easy. You coat the bare wood with a sealer or in my case I tacked the fabric around the edges. When the glue dried, I ironed the fabric to taughten it up and then doped it with stits poly brush which soaked through the fabric to the wood. That was in 1980. I painted over it with the same carbon black primer and enamel as the rest of the plane. It's just like new today, no problems what so ever. >And doesn't dacron require several coats of >nitrate then several coats of silver UV protection and then finally >several coats of butyrate just to assure a life span of a dozen >years??? No. >Nine to twelve coats of finish is about what the process is, It's unnecessary. >which seems to me to be far more difficult than dealing direct with ply >or a single layer of >glass cloth. Glass and epoxy is heavy. 1.8 oz. dacron glider fabric is light weight. Only problem with it is doing any sanding on it. If I was doing it again I would first seal the bare wood with varathane and smooth sand it before putting the fabric on. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:38:12 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> RE: what a day To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <018301c58a9a$1b2603c0$7db0dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark I know this is a late reply, but just catching up on all the KR emails. Glad to here you and your plane are OK. Have you had any thoughts on a geared reduction for your Corvair. Not selling anything , but something to think about, VW engines do make a geared PSRU reduction for Corvairs. Take the drive off the crankshaft. Phillip Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:19:44 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> YOU ARE INVITED To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <003001c58ac9$d1538b20$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One week from today!!!!!!! Please let me know if you are coming and you are not listed below. If anyone wants to join in on a group fly to Oshkosh, the staging will be as follows. Arrive at Hartford, WI (KHXF) http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHXF on the morning of Sunday, July 24th. I will be there as well as Mark Langford. Langford is not flying his KR for obvious reasons and I am unsure if mine will be ready for Oshkosh by then or not. Regardless, we will be at the Hartford airport to greet any arriving KR's. Hartford airport is exactly 38.8 miles south of Oshkosh. There will be a lot of traffic as this is a "hot spot / final stop" prior to arriving Oshkosh. Also, if anyone is driving to Oshkosh and wishes to stop by the Hartford airport, please do so. I am taking the grill with us and will have Brats and Burgers and Soda (sorry pilots, no beer for you) for Lunch. Then after lunch the KR's can proceed on to Oshkosh. If you are going to attend, please let me know ASAP. The list of KR's flying in to Hartford so far are: Orma Robbins Joe Weber Bill Clapp Mark Jones (already at Hartford airport) Ken Jones Those driving in: Mark Langford Lee Van Dyke Pete Brautigam Menu: Grilled Brats & Burgers Chips Soda (for pilots) Beer: Amberbock (Langford started that tradition) This could be the start of an annual event, don't miss out. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:13:46 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Gathering To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <000801c58ad1$5dcad8e0$0500a8c0@domain.actdsltmp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know everyone is tuned in to Osh. right now but I would like to start setting up for the adult beverages at the gathering. I was going to bring a keg but I thought that it would be better to arrange to pick up a keg from a distributor at Mount Vernon and not have to bounce the hot keg in the back of the car for eight hours. Can we get an idea of what arrangements are being made so that we don't have four or five kegs show up.(unless of course, some of you want to have more than one glass each). Patrick Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:20:26 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c58aeb$7197d250$90a672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Lord. I've already forgotten the darn date, and I am still planning on being there...if I can get the forty TROUBLE FREE hours flown off,.... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KR Net" Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: KR> Gathering >I know everyone is tuned in to Osh. right now but I would like to start >setting up for the adult beverages at the gathering. I was going to bring a >keg but I thought that it would be better to arrange to pick up a keg from >a distributor at Mount Vernon and not have to bounce the hot keg in the >back of the car for eight hours. > Can we get an idea of what arrangements are being made so that we don't > have four or five kegs show up.(unless of course, some of you want to have > more than one glass each). > Patrick Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN > patrick36@usfamily.net > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:53:30 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Gathering plans To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050717125330.008127f0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I know everyone is tuned in to Osh. right now but I would like to start setting up for the adult beverages at the gathering. >Patrick Driscoll ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gathering attendees, Don't forget, the OFFICAL AIRPORT POLICY at Mt.Vernon is "NO ADULT BEVERAGES" are allowed on the airport. We didn't have any problems last year but whatever plans are made, keep it on ice and UNDER COVER at the camp site area. Everyone was well behaved and sociable last year and above all, had a good time at the end of the day talking KR's and whatever at the campsite. I'm sure it will be just as enjoyable this year. The airport does have a night security guard but he didn't give us any trouble either last year when he rolled by the campsite a time or two. I live 50 miles from Mt.Vernon and I'm not sure what sources are there for "adult beverages" but there is probably info on the net. If you don't mind, I'd rather not have any "offical personal responsibility" in that area of the social agenda. If we get busted, I guess we can tell them we were told not to drink the lake water so we made other arrangements! :-) You're all adults, just use common sense and have a good time. Larry Flesner Host - 2005 KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:56:35 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Gathering To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050717125635.0084da40@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:20 PM 7/17/05 -0400, you wrote: >Lord. I've already forgotten the darn date, and I am still planning on >being >there...if I can get the forty TROUBLE FREE hours flown off,.... >Pat +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sept. 9 - 10 - 11 , early arrival will filter in on Thursday the 8th, many more on Friday, the biggest day will be Saturday, and most everyone leaves out early Sunday morning. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:09:05 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> I'm hooked... To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050717130905.0084cbf0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:46 PM 7/16/05 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, I'm Mark, and I'm hooked. The sound of that >Facet pump ticking immediately gave me a little buzz that I now equate >with KR flying. Yep, I'm hooked. I think Larry is on tap to give me >my next fix. >Mark Langford ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I got my fix in this morning. Low clouds and threat of rain but I got in three trips around the pattern with landings to a full stop. I sure LOVE the new wheel pants ! I held full throttle on downwind at 800 feet AGL and just below the clouds with the ASI hitting 170 mph !! I'm sure the ground bound residents thought they were hearing thunder but it was just my fuselage druming from my YEEEEE HAAAAA yells and my heart pounding to the rhythm of the 0-200. CAN IT GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS ?????????? I think the KR is ready for you Mark. Let's hope for some decent weather. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:10:03 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering plans To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <018b01c58afa$c1912860$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original We was able to keep it under control last year and not make it know to those who did not need to know and we will do that this year as well.I can get the beverage and keep it behind my camper and since I will probly be one of the first ones there again on thursday I will take care of getting it and then just put a cup out for donations.If this works for everyone I will do it.Email me off list with some beverage ideas.I will get them on the way to the gathering and may be able to get a deal on a couple.It only takes me about 40 minutes to get to the gathering from work... Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com > Don't forget, the OFFICAL AIRPORT POLICY at Mt.Vernon is "NO ADULT > BEVERAGES" are allowed on the airport. a > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:56:23 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> wheel pants and trim To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <144401c58b09$9bef1270$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" NetHeads, You guys that have flown without and with wheel pants...was there any noticeable difference in the trim required when wheel pants were installed? The reason I ask is I've never been able to fly with trim in the neutral position...it's always nose up, and with flaps I still don't have enough to relieve the workload. I'm thinking about adjusting my horizontal stab down a little to try to get a little closer to centered. I can see how adding wheel pants would streamline the wheels, causing less drag about the wheels, decreasing the tendency to fly nose down, but I guess I'm trying to get a feel for how pronounced the difference is. I'm still waiting on my crank and heads (they'll be here this week), so today I'm doing airframe stuff, like painting the glare shield flat black, wiring the fuel gauge properly, and swapping out the flap switch to one that is momentary when in the down position. Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:23:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Air Supply To: Message-ID: <42DB04AE.000003.03760@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Getting ready for the air supplies. The blue circles are where I am thinking of putting holes for cabin heat and fresh air. I am going to get carb air from the center of that slit. That slit also provides cooling for the underside of the engine. I am thinking that I may also be able to steal the heat and fresh air from either side of that area. What do you think? Take a look at the first pic at: http://kr-builder.org/Cowl/index.html If you have an opinion as to which location is better, please let me know. DanRH@AllTel.net Off line, thanks. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:39:33 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Air Supply To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d201c58b39$8cf09160$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan, I have an air inlet in the exact area you describe with the blue circle. the one I have is on the side which is the down stroke of the prop. That happens to be the left side while sitting in the cockpit for the Corvair engine. Anyway, that area of downward stroke produces very little air input because of the angle of the inlet. I am going to add a scoop over my inlet to force more air in. I think you will get good flow on the upward stroke side because the prop will be blasting that side with forced air. As soon as I make a scoop and install it, I will let you know how much difference it makes. I will most likely just Duct Tape it in place for the test flight. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: KR> Air Supply > Getting ready for the air supplies. The blue circles are where I am thinking > of putting holes for cabin heat and fresh air. I am going to get carb > air from the center of that slit. That slit also provides cooling for > the underside of the engine. I am thinking that I may also be able to > steal the > heat and fresh air from either side of that area. What do you think? > > Take a look at the first pic at: > > http://kr-builder.org/Cowl/index.html > > If you have an opinion as to which location is better, please let me > know. > > DanRH@AllTel.net Off line, thanks. > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:54:44 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR> To turn back or not? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002501c58b3b$ac3a2430$5500a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FYI - I became aware (from another list) of an interesting article on whether to return to the runway or not. It's a bit long, but I think it was definitely good reading. Address: http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/impossible/possible.html Ed Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:03:08 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> Air Supply To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan, I like the locations for fresh air/heat and carb air but I have a concern about the cooling of the bottom of the engine which. I think your set up will cool the bottom of the engine quite well but by ramming air under the engine you may be pressuring the bottom and restricting the flow of cooling air from the top of the engine and possibly over heating the engine on top. Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Heath To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: KR> Air Supply Getting ready for the air supplies. The blue circles are where I am thinking of putting holes for cabin heat and fresh air. I am going to get carb air from the center of that slit. That slit also provides cooling for the underside of the engine. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:03:58 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> wheel pants and trim To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050717210358.00811d20@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can see how adding >wheel pants would streamline the wheels, causing less drag about the >wheels, decreasing the tendency to fly nose down, but I guess I'm >trying to get a feel for how pronounced the difference is. >>Mark Langford ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, Since I recently added pants I'd have to say I noticed little if any difference in the trim or the way the KR flies, other than picking up 12 to 15 mph. If you're wanting to adjust the horz stab while you're down for the engine, I'd say go for it and disregard the latter effect of adding wheel pants. Just remember, my advise is worth every cent you paid for it. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:50:39 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> I'm hooked... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Did you get any climb rate increase that you could tell or just a speed increase? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 2:09 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> I'm hooked... At 11:46 PM 7/16/05 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, I'm Mark, and I'm hooked. The sound of that >Facet pump ticking immediately gave me a little buzz that I now equate >with KR flying. Yep, I'm hooked. I think Larry is on tap to give me >my next fix. Mark Langford ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I got my fix in this morning. Low clouds and threat of rain but I got in three trips around the pattern with landings to a full stop. I sure LOVE the new wheel pants ! I held full throttle on downwind at 800 feet AGL and just below the clouds with the ASI hitting 170 mph !! I'm sure the ground bound residents thought they were hearing thunder but it was just my fuselage druming from my YEEEEE HAAAAA yells and my heart pounding to the rhythm of the 0-200. CAN IT GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS ?????????? I think the KR is ready for you Mark. Let's hope for some decent weather. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:22:04 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Air Supply To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For cabin heat in mine I just had a heat box on the front of the firewall that was going to go to a muff on the exhaust. There is a good amount of air in the cowl that I got enough flow without it coming from any kind of port or air scoop. I never got around to making the exhaust shroud so I was just taking under cowl air that was flowing around the cylinders and the engine and it worked fine at 10,000' between Jacksonville and Gulfport in November. Michigan in January probably would have needed the shroud. I used two Vista Vents on the KR and I have them on the M1 also. They are certainly easy to install and they work great. A scat tube from the front of the cowl to some rotating type vents would certainly give you more air, but the Vista Vents are a great option to keep them simple. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:24 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Air Supply Getting ready for the air supplies. The blue circles are where I am thinking of putting holes for cabin heat and fresh air. I am going to get carb air from the center of that slit. That slit also provides cooling for the underside of the engine. I am thinking that I may also be able to steal the heat and fresh air from either side of that area. What do you think? Take a look at the first pic at: http://kr-builder.org/Cowl/index.html If you have an opinion as to which location is better, please let me know. DanRH@AllTel.net Off line, thanks. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:32:13 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> To turn back or not? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good article. In gliders we practice a rope break at 200'. The instructor pulls the release and you immediately roll into a 45 degree turn to do a 180 and land downwind. An important lesson you learn is that before you take off you determine what altitude you will do a 180 and you verbally call it out as you climb through it. You also determine before you take off which direction you will turn which is into the direction the cross wind is coming from if there is one to keep you closer to the runway after you complete the turn. It is a very good idea to practice departure engine failures in your powered plane at a safe altitude to determine how much altitude you loose in a 180 degree turn. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Ed Janssen Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:55 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> To turn back or not? FYI - I became aware (from another list) of an interesting article on whether to return to the runway or not. It's a bit long, but I think it was definitely good reading. Address: http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/impossible/possible.html Ed Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:35:14 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> wheel pants and trim To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050717.213625.3992.1.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've flown with two different types of wheel pants as well as none at all. Even flown with all the wheel pant fittings hanging out in the wind. No differnce in the trim, although it was much draggier without the pants. Jeff Scott On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:56:23 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > NetHeads, > > You guys that have flown without and with wheel pants...was there > any > noticeable difference in the trim required when wheel pants were > installed? > The reason I ask is I've never been able to fly with trim in the > neutral > position...it's always nose up, and with flaps I still don't have > enough to > relieve the workload. I'm thinking about adjusting my horizontal > stab down > a little to try to get a little closer to centered. I can see how > adding > wheel pants would streamline the wheels, causing less drag about the > wheels, > decreasing the tendency to fly nose down, but I guess I'm trying to > get a > feel for how pronounced the difference is. > > I'm still waiting on my crank and heads (they'll be here this week), > so > today I'm doing airframe stuff, like painting the glare shield flat > black, > wiring the fuel gauge properly, and swapping out the flap switch to > one that > is momentary when in the down position. > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 276 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================