From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 311 Date: 8/17/2005 9:00:17 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Concern Regarding Registering a KR in the LSA Category (PJohnson@kmts.ca) 2. Re: Re: KR> KR2Sport - FLAME ON (James Ferris) 3. kr gathering (Martha Crawford) 4. RE: kr gathering (Mark Jones) 5. Re: kr gathering (idrawtobuild@bak.rr.com) 6. RE: kr gathering (Mark Jones) 7. Re: Canopy for sale (ken j grevemberg) 8. RE: kr gathering (Ron Lee) 9. kr gathering (Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO) 10. Vision LSA alternative (The Ainsworths) 11. RE: Vision LSA alternative (Joachim Saupe) 12. Re: Vision LSA alternative (Wheeler Express Builder) 13. tappets adjustments (phil brookman) 14. Re: tappets adjustments (Mark Langford) 15. Re: tappets adjustments (Flymaca711689@aol.com) 16. Re: tappets adjustments (Dan Heath) 17. Re: tappets adjustments (Scott Cable) 18. AS5046 C-l-max (Richard and Donya Rankin) 19. RE: tappets adjustments (Brian Kraut) 20. Internet list not working (Ryan) 21. LSA alternative (rhartwig11@juno.com) 22. RE: Internet list not working (Jack Cooper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:55:34 -0500 From: "PJohnson@kmts.ca" Subject: KR> Concern Regarding Registering a KR in the LSA Category To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <16ba4afec65b429aa287571c5b9b9877.PJohnson@kmts.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII One thing to keep in mind that may preclude a KR from ever being registered in the LSA category is that the published speed of all KRs is 200 mph. I believe the upper limit on your LSA category is 130 mph? Here in Canada we cannot register a 1400 lb aircraft in the Advanced Ultralight Aircraft category because the allowed all up weight for an AULA is 1350 lbs. Also, the AULA category maximum stall speed is 42 mph. It does not wash at all to tell Transport Canada "I'll only fly it at 1350 lbs and stall it below 42 mph." Food for thought. PJ Subject: Re: KR> KR2Sport - FLAME ON > Sir, I too have been looking into a kr2 sport. If the 130 mph is the > mark, why not adjust the engine to get there, thus making it a sport. > (I do know other adjustments will have to be made, but just how > difficult can it be?) If there are any suggestions, I would like to > know. Thanks - Curt ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:57:01 -0400 From: James Ferris Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR2Sport - FLAME ON To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050817.095701.1256.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It would be easy to build a LSA modified KR-2 butI wouldn't call it a KR-2, I would give it a new name, but you could use the same construction techniques, its more fun to work with the spruce than a 601 because of the smell of the wood when it is cut. NASA developed some Low Speed airfoils about twenty years ago that would be good, one was used on the v-easy wing that was 17% thick but they also had one that was 21% thick that could use a thick spar, if this was used for the center section and the span of the center section was increased about 4 feet this would give room for a more efficient flap and the extra area could lower the stall speed While the increased span would increase the climb rate. You may want to strech the fuselage and increase the area of the tail and now it would be a new airplane but don't refer to the KRs at all. It could be one of the best LSA aircraft ever. Jim ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:04:30 -0400 From: Martha Crawford Subject: KR> kr gathering To: KRnet Message-ID: <94577cb949aa3db7bb97b37abae114fd@simerson.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed HI netter Im hoping to be able to make the gathering this year. does anyone know if there is camping on the airport or near by. Keith Crawford Lansing Mi ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:00:14 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> kr gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C43CA@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, we have a campsite on the airport and it is right by a lake. You can pitch tents or bring a camper in. http://www.krgathering.org/ Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Martha Crawford Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:05 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> kr gathering HI netter Im hoping to be able to make the gathering this year. does anyone know if there is camping on the airport or near by. Keith Crawford Lansing Mi _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:41:27 -0700 From: Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c5a342$21c1b880$6401a8c0@qcnotebook> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I looked at the krgathering.org and found 'Thursday'. Which Thursday are you speaking of, August the 18th.? Because I know of 52 per year. Ha Ha. Greg Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: RE: KR> kr gathering > Yes, we have a campsite on the airport and it is right by a lake. You > can pitch tents or bring a camper in. http://www.krgathering.org/ > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Martha Crawford > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:05 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> kr gathering > > > HI netter > > Im hoping to be able to make the gathering this year. > does anyone know if there is camping on the airport or near by. Keith > Crawford Lansing Mi > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/2005 > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:52:44 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> kr gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C43CB@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greg, I do not know what you are asking about Thursday? If it is the dates of the Gathering, they are listed right there in the heading of the web page as Sept 9 - 11, 2005. If you are a true KR die hard, you will arrive on Thursday, Sept 8th. Hope this helps. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of idrawtobuild@bak.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:41 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering I looked at the krgathering.org and found 'Thursday'. Which Thursday are you speaking of, August the 18th.? Because I know of 52 per year. Ha Ha. Greg Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: RE: KR> kr gathering > Yes, we have a campsite on the airport and it is right by a lake. You > can pitch tents or bring a camper in. http://www.krgathering.org/ > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Martha Crawford > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:05 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> kr gathering > > > HI netter > > Im hoping to be able to make the gathering this year. > does anyone know if there is camping on the airport or near by. Keith > Crawford Lansing Mi > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/2005 > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:56:19 -0400 From: ken j grevemberg Subject: Re: KR> Canopy for sale To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050817.115619.808.0.kgrevemberg@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jack, What is the URL of your website? Thanks, Ken On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:10:10 -0400 "Jack Cooper" writes: > I have a Todds canopy for a KR-2S that I cracked installing it. I > have posted some pictures on my website for anyone interested in it. > I also included some pictures of my KR with the new Todds canopy > installed so you can get an idea of how the canopy is cut. If you > are planning on a hatch opening you may be able to use this canopy > and/or the extra pieces of plexiglass that comes with it. I would > really like to see it used and like to get it out of my garage. If > you think you can use it make me an offer. There are 5 pieces all > together, most of which have been sprayed with spralat. Email me off > net. > > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@earthlink.net _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:19:28 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: RE: KR> kr gathering To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050817111847.01c50120@mail.pcisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >If you are a true KR die hard, you will >arrive on Thursday, Sept 8th. Hope this helps. And some of us will arrive fashionably late on Saturday. do not archive Ron Lee ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:34:58 -0500 From: Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO Subject: KR> kr gathering To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <200508171735.j7HHZ5mq024950@phantom1.region4.ang.af.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Have fun, wish I could make. I hope to putting money in the KR fund during that time frame. Eric Pitts Terre Haute IN KR2S http://home.att.net/~e.j.pitts/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:09:04 -0400 From: "The Ainsworths" Subject: KR> Vision LSA alternative To: Message-ID: <000001c5a356$c410afb0$f824cdd1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had my eye on the Vision but it seemed a bit too much for a Corvair and probably better suited for a 115+ hp 'Lync' or something similar. I don't think that there is a Corvair powered Vision 'in the air' Are they still in business? I'm sure you can buy the construction manual and build from scratch but the 'fold-a-plane' stuff would sure save time and weight if it is still available. Perhaps those who have witnessed the Vision in flight can provide more. I remember that The Corvair Authority was pretty tight with J. Rahm and some on this list are in the inner circle and can shed some light on the status of the Vision. The building construction process does lend itself to the processes that are used in the KR and it is a much larger "KR" for those of us, and friends, who are 'larger' types. If you go to the Gathering (and you should!) you can see the 'type' of people who own and fly the KR's and make better decisions on what's best. Gary ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:49:35 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> Vision LSA alternative To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220058317184935625@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Actually, the Vision as the KR2 are way too fast to be LSA. Both would require a lot of down-engineering. Joachim Saupe > [Original Message] > From: The Ainsworths > To: > Date: 8/17/2005 1:09:07 PM > Subject: KR> Vision LSA alternative > > I had my eye on the Vision but it seemed a bit too much for a Corvair > and probably better suited for a 115+ hp 'Lync' or something similar. > I don't think that there is a Corvair powered Vision 'in the air' Are > they still in business? I'm sure you can buy the construction manual > and build from scratch but the 'fold-a-plane' stuff would sure save > time and weight if it is still available. Perhaps those who have > witnessed the Vision in flight can provide more. I remember that The > Corvair Authority was pretty tight with J. Rahm and some on this list > are in the inner circle and can shed some light on the status of the > Vision. The building construction process does lend itself to the > processes that are used in the KR and it is a much larger "KR" for > those of us, and friends, who are 'larger' types. > If you go to the Gathering (and you should!) you can see the 'type' of > people who own and fly the KR's and make better decisions on what's > best. > Gary > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:53:08 -0500 From: "Wheeler Express Builder" Subject: Re: KR> Vision LSA alternative To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0fdc01c5a365$4ab9eb90$e0dea8c0@big> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Are they still in business? I'm sure you can buy the construction > > manual and build from scratch Don't know if Steve is still selling parts, but that should be something of a non-issue. As a member of the builders list I can guarantee that he's still selling plans and actively supporting the plane. He puts a great deal of effort into being straight with people, explaining that the Vision is primarily a plans-built plane (ok, more like instruction-manual-built, but that's beside the point). No manufactured parts from third parties are required. Besides... >> but the 'fold-a-plane' stuff would sure save time and weight if it is still >> available. Two points here. First is that you can, and some have, do fold-a-plane yourself, the components aren't something you have to buy. It's a process, just another (very clever) way of doing layups. Second point is that the time savings of fold-a-plane seem to be missed by most casual observers, and I suspect the basic method can also be applied to more than just the top and bottom halves of the fuselage, ie probably the wing skins and tail feathers as well, although I don't know of anyone that's tried yet. The time savings using this method for just the fuselage alone are in the hundreds of hours. Done right, the exterior glassing is little more that making the joints, just like a Lancair, etc, and the only sanding would be on said joint areas. >> The building construction process does lend itself to the processes >> that are used in the KR I bought a set of Vision plans a while back, and was ready build when I fell into a deal on another homebuilt that I couldn't resist. I'm too far into that one to back out now, but a fold-a-plane LSA KR2 is probably going to happen next. I'm probably obsessing here, but just about anything that is made of fiberglass, doesn't have compound curves, and takes thousands of hours of sanding to finish is just screaming fold-a-plane to me. To be honest, I'm having a hard time not bailing on my current project and starting a KR-FAP, now that gas is hitting $3.00 a gallon. Five gph is starting to sound real good. Bob ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:23:44 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: KR> tappets adjustments To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00aa01c5a371$f2cbc680$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i keep hearing about tappet adjustments closing right up or needing doing every5-10 hrs or so even one example where compression was being lost on that cyl which had gone tight anyone got any answers as to what is going on here p -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:29:45 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> tappets adjustments To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02d001c5a372$c99fa7d0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" p wrote: >>i keep hearing about tappet adjustments closing right up or needing >>doing every5-10 hrs or so even one example where compression was being lost on that cyl which had gone tight anyone got any answers as to what is going on here << They are probably talking about VW valves. VWs used in aircraft lead a hard life. The valves wear and the valve seats wear leading to "recession" into the head, which effectively tightens the valves, usually the exhausts more than the intakes, due to the higher temps involved. Hydraulic lifters alleviate that, but there is some debate as to how well some VW implementations (all aftermarket on Type 1s) work at the high speeds we airplane guys run them at. Marvel Mystery oil probably helps reduce the frequency of adjustments, although I should point out that I've never flown behind a VW engine, and therefore could be completely clueless. The Corvair has hydraulic lifters, so valve adjustments are done after a rebuild, and never again until the next rebuild... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:32:18 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> tappets adjustments To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1fb.ee2a409.303506e2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" EVERY OIL CHANGE WITH THE VW ENGINE . BUT IF YOURS ARE DOING THAT YOUR VALVE SEATS ARE RECESSING POSSBLY THIS HAPPEN TO ME USING AV GAS. THE VAVLES REALLY TAKE A BEATING IN THE VW FOR AIRCRAFT USE. N1055A FLYING MAC 301274 2874 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:39:14 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> tappets adjustments To: Message-ID: <4303BC92.000001.00212@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" SOP for a VW engine. You will need to adjust the valves at least every 25 hours. I used to do it almost every time I had the cowling off. On the old Beetle, you would adjust the valves every oil change. If you do the adjustment properly and often, you will not have any problems with them. However, hydraulics do sound nice, but I remember hearing some negative stuff about them, but your results will vary. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- i keep hearing about tappet adjustments closing right up or needing doing every5-10 hrs or so ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> tappets adjustments To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050817230338.19386.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Netheads; When I was racing Formula Vee's (1200cc single port VW), we re-torqued the case and heads adjusted the valves and changed oil between practice, qualifying and race. We'd also read and change plugs, and if necessisary would adjust the jetting. We also would adjust the valves allot tighter than specs, typically .003 intake and .004 exhaust. Once we figured out the internal aerodynamics under the "cowling", we were able to get a full season out of an engine.(as opposed to 3 races). ( we had sky-rocketing oil temps). Re-torqueing the cases and heads also goes a long way in keeping your VW singing it's sweet song. Dan Heath wrote: SOP for a VW engine. You will need to adjust the valves at least every 25 hours. I used to do it almost every time I had the cowling off. On the old Beetle, you would adjust the valves every oil change. If you do the adjustment properly and often, you will not have any problems with them. Scott Cable Jamestown, ND s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:30:51 -0500 From: "Richard and Donya Rankin" Subject: KR> AS5046 C-l-max To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <20050818013048.UBQI3579.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@VANGUARD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With the new airfoil installed on several birds now, has anyone used empirical flight test data to calculate their real-world Clmax? ------------------------------------ Richard Rankin richardanddonya (at) cox (dot) net N328FT (reserved) EAA 688891 Tulsa, OK ------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:00:28 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> tappets adjustments To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was walking by one of Great Plains' seminars at Oshkosh this year and stopped there for a little bit while Steve was talking about that very thing. He said that was a problem on high compression VW engines and gave an example of someone that swallowed a valve in flight. IIRC it had something to do with the valves stretching on the higher compression engines. If you have to keep loosening yor valve adjustment you have a problem that you need to fix. On m VW some of the valves required minor adjustment during an oil change, but usually most of them checked O.K. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Flymaca711689@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:32 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> tappets adjustments EVERY OIL CHANGE WITH THE VW ENGINE . BUT IF YOURS ARE DOING THAT YOUR VALVE SEATS ARE RECESSING POSSBLY THIS HAPPEN TO ME USING AV GAS. THE VAVLES REALLY TAKE A BEATING IN THE VW FOR AIRCRAFT USE. N1055A FLYING MAC 301274 2874 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:32:10 -0700 From: "Ryan" Subject: KR> Internet list not working To: Message-ID: <001c01c5a39d$09754340$711d4b42@san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ Is this site working for anyone else? Ryan ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:35:14 -0500 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> LSA alternative To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050817.213514.3956.5.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Colin wrote: ".....The FAA commentary that I read specifically mentioned that they are watching for aircraft that have previously been certified in other categories to be modified into LSA, and will aggressively prevent this......" Colin, This rule refers to individual aircraft that were originally certified or were modified to be too heavy, too fast, etc. to fit in the Sport Pilot eligible category and then modified to fit. It does not refer to new aircraft that are modified from the original design to fit Sport Pilot at the time of their certification. An amateur built aircraft is certified as an Experimental and does not have to go through the extensive FAA paperwork of an E-LSA or LSA. If your aircraft's numbers that you observe and record during your test phase meet the standards for Sport Pilot eligibility, a Sport Pilot can fly the plane legally. Dick H. "....The purpose of the category is not to give alternatives, but to regulate those aircraft that already fit the category and previously were not regulated......." That statement refers to "heavy ultralights" and other ultralights that the owner chooses to change to Experimental or LSA so they may be flown and time logged by a Sport Pilot. The category is for any plane--factory built, plans built, kit built-- that has always been within specifications for the category since the time of its certification. Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:39:25 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Internet list not working To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005841823925281@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Didn't work for me. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Ryan > To: > Date: 8/17/2005 10:31:24 PM > Subject: KR> Internet list not working > > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > Is this site working for anyone else? > > Ryan > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 311 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================