From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 320 Date: 8/22/2005 9:00:25 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (patrusso) 2. Re: Back to work... (patrusso) 3. Re: Re: Engine CHT temps (Steve Bray) 4. Re: getting ready for passenger need briefing (Mike Turner) 5. Re: getting ready for passenger need briefing (Mike Turner) 6. Re: KR info (Kenneth B. Jones) 7. RE: getting ready for passenger need briefing (Steve Glover) 8. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Robert Morrissey) 9. Garmin GPS196 for dummies (Oscar Zuniga) 10. RE: Amount of paint (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:26:57 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002301c5a768$9b81ce60$1ba772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dubi You are correct on all counts. Other hints are: A-Using peel ply will leave a smoother finish with less sanding later on. B-If you are using urethane foam, wipe down the cured glass with a lightly dampened (with denatured alcohol) cloth to remove the waxy residue that epoxy generates in the curing process. This will make sanding easier and faster. Omit this if you are using styrene foams. Alcohol will attack/melt the foam if not totally protected. Not all foams require slurry. Some urethanes are dense enough to simply apply wet epoxy to, then lay your cloth on and stiple and squeegee off the excess. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dubi Gefen" To: Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > Hello Krnet members! > > I would like to understanding the glassing procedure on foam. > > Follow the procedure as I understanding. > > 1. Sending the foam. > 2. Cover/squeegee over the foam with slurry (Micro + epoxy) 3. Cover > the wet slurry with glass cloth. 4. Cover over the glass cloth with > pure epoxy and squeegee off any excess epoxy. > 5. Wait two day, when all the slurry/epoxy is dry. > 6. Sending the surface area. > 7. Use macro slurry to fill in unsmooth area. > > My question: > A. This process is correct? If not please correct me. > B. This process suitable to all area with foam like: Wings, > Horizontal stabilizer, Elevator, Vertical stab and so on? > C. Within the "Book Plan" of the KR-2 mentioned, Micro beads is > totally non structural. > How this instruction related to the cover of the wings foam > with Micro beads and then covers with glass cloth? > > Waiting to confirmation or correction. > > Regards > Dubi Gefen. > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:33:09 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Back to work... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002a01c5a769$79b3ac30$1ba772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Cris RAF 48,...stay with it. ..if that is still what the plans call for. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cris." ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:17:02 -0500 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Engine CHT temps To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hotmail is free. If anyone is intrested email me at rsbray@gmail.com and I'll send you an invite. Its invite only, free and has so much memory that it doesn't have a delete button ! Its a Goggle test that started at Los Alamos Lab. Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Engine CHT temps >Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:34:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > >Why does anyone need HotMail when there are free ones available. > > > >Also, I too found it odd that a CHT could possibly be too cool unless >it is a sign that you are dumping pure gas into the cylinder. > > > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > >There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for >building >has expired. > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >-------Original Message------- > >try to maintain cruise head temperatures below 300 > >degrees F for maximum engine life". Still, I certainly don't think 300F >is too cool to worry about. > >No clue on that one, although Hotmail is notoriously unreliable... > > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:41:38 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> getting ready for passenger need briefing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Heath To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: Re: KR> getting ready for passenger need briefing Mac, pick a cool high pressure day for better performance ---and listen to Dan Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:51:23 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> getting ready for passenger need briefing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mac, I would check that cg, just plug in a 205 passenger at the same datum distance as the pilot and run it through your cg calculations, then you know weather it's safe to fly or not. Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:23:22 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> KR info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <046301c5a778$dfb607d0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> This spreadsheet could be very useful. The more data people submit, the more useful it will be. Please check it out and, if you have a flying KR, send your data to Orma at orma@aviation-mechanics.com Ken Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: KR> KR info > Hello Net > In the past I have talked about developing a database for KR > information. > An actual database was too much for my skill level and I gave up on it. > Over the past week or so I have been playing with a simple spreadsheet > that contains KR data and web links. I have entered a few examples into > the sheet as an aid in developing a finished product. The sheet is > finished and is hosted at > http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm > In earlier discussions I was asked if the data sheet that I developed > would contain aircraft under construction. I have elected to not include > them here. The KR net has listings of builders and their web pages. I > want this data sheet to include information about aircraft that completed > and flying. My hope is that visitors to the site will be able glean from > the info answers to some common questions such as how fast, what type prop > or gear, and others. You might be able to estimate what engine size and > prop combination will yield what static and cruise RPM and much more. My > plan is to cut and past information that is sent to me. If you wish to > have your plane listed, send me an off net post. With over 1000 flying > KR, this info could prove to be of great value to both owners and builders > alike. > > Orma ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:41:22 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> getting ready for passenger need briefing To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000b01c5a77b$65e1a5b0$9865fea9@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" CG calcs on KR's are an interesting thing. Don't always believe what you see on paper. Test first... Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mike Turner Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:51 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> getting ready for passenger need briefing Mac, I would check that cg, just plug in a 205 passenger at the same datum distance as the pilot and run it through your cg calculations, then you know weather it's safe to fly or not. Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:40:38 -0400 From: "Robert Morrissey" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008a01c5a783$ab8b13a0$6502a8c0@com.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello KR net members, I would like to add one question to what Dubi Gefen is asking. It relates to what he calls step 1. Sanding the foam. With the thicker spars of the new airfoil is it possible to put relief cuts into the structure of the wing, both foam and wood, so that when all the plies are in place the finished surface is one constant glass layer thickness above the airfoil and will require less filling before finishing/sanding? Reference is "MOLDLESS COMPOSITE HOMEBUILT SANDWICH AIRCRAFT CONSTRUCTION, 3rd edition-September, 1983 page 3-9 step 3: Prepare Surfaces the third paragraph. Thanks Bob Morrissey, New bern NC ----- Original Message ----- > Hello Krnet members! > > I would like to understanding the glassing procedure on foam. > > Follow the procedure as I understanding. > > 1. Sending the foam. > 2. Cover/squeegee over the foam with slurry (Micro + epoxy) 3. Cover > the wet slurry with glass cloth. 4. Cover over the glass cloth with > pure epoxy and squeegee off any excess epoxy. > 5. Wait two day, when all the slurry/epoxy is dry. > 6. Sending the surface area. > 7. Use macro slurry to fill in unsmooth area. > > My question: > A. This process is correct? If not please correct me. > B. This process suitable to all area with foam like: Wings, > Horizontal stabilizer, Elevator, Vertical stab and so on? > C. Within the "Book Plan" of the KR-2 mentioned, Micro beads is > totally non structural. > How this instruction related to the cover of the wings foam > with Micro beads and then covers with glass cloth? > > Waiting to confirmation or correction. > > Regards > Dubi Gefen. > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:04:19 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Garmin GPS196 for dummies To: krnet@mylist.net, pietenpol-list@matronics.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Okay, I'll admit it. I'm a dummy. I just talked myself into a Garmin GPS196 (black & white) and it comes with a free download of the database update. However... nowhere in the manual can I find how to go about downloading the update and installing it to the GPS. I know there is an interface cable for my PC, but beyond that I'm clueless as to how to snag and download the update. GPS196 users who can help me, please email off-list at taildrags@hotmail.com or point me to some instructions somewhere. Thanks. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:36:38 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Amount of paint To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Depends on how good you are and the quality of the paint. It also depends a little on weather you are painting a white top coat on top of white Smooth Prime or are using contrasting colors. I did way too many coats on my KR and used two gallons. I also painted my M1 a few months ago and one gallon was enough to do about the same surface area as on the KR. Keep in mind also that with some paints you buy a gallon and you get a gallon of paint and wind up with more when you put in the activator and reducer. With Imron and some others you get 3 quarts of paint in the gallon can and a quart of activator for 1 gallon when mixed. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jim Morehead Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:27 AM To: KR- Net Subject: KR> Amount of paint Netters, Can a KR2 be painted with one gallon of paint or should I order two gallons? Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA Getting closer! _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 320 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================