From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 323 Date: 8/24/2005 6:16:28 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: Engine CHT temps (albert cassar) 2. Re: VW engine on ebay (Phillip Matheson) 3. RE: 56ML Incidence (Steve Jacobs) 4. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Dan Heath) 5. Stang? (Dan Heath) 6. Re: 56ML Incidence (Mark Langford) 7. RE: engine CHT temps (James Jernigan) 8. beverage for gathering (glidden@ccrtc.com) 9. Re: beverage for gathering (patrusso) 10. Re: engine CHT temps (Ron Eason) 11. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Ron Eason) 12. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Joachim Saupe) 13. temp checker (larry flesner) 14. Main gear jack info (Carol & Weldon Jennings) 15. Re: Main gear jack info (larry severson) 16. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Ron Eason) 17. Re: Main gear jack info (Al Friesen) 18. Re: Main gear jack info (larry flesner) 19. Re: Main gear jack info (larry severson) 20. Re: Main gear jack info (Dan Heath) 21. Re: temp checker (Allen Wiesner ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:19:27 +1000 From: "albert cassar" Subject: RE: KR> Re: Engine CHT temps To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HI All I have a type 4 vw in a Jodel D18 and have duel CHT. I monitor the two back cylinders from the spark plug point However some time ago while I was removing the plugs for general inspection I broke the ring that the plug goes through so I clamped it to one of the fins on the head about mine way on the head. during normal operation it reads about 50Deg lower than the other side so from that I figured that the plug point must be the hottest point and as the plug is threaded in to the alloy head that would be the first or at list around vicinity of the plug would start to melt (so to speak )first. And also from some of the vw heads that I seen which have been over heated the plug area is always the point were it melts first. So personally I think this would be the best point to monitor. (Just my thoughts) Albert Cassar -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Orma Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2005 5:42 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Re: Engine CHT temps Steve Bennett told me that the reading under the plug is always hotter then the other location you might pick. A manual that lists the temp and specifies a location for the probe may only be accurate at that specific location, and if you move the sender to a different place, the same temperature range may not apply. I would think that under the exhaust stud will give you information that you will have know way of knowing the value of. Consider that the EGT probe which is installed as close to the head as possible will read gas temps as high as 1600 deg. I have 4 cylinder CHT on my KR with type 4 engine, and one of the probes is located as close to the factory CHT hole as I could get it. I use the numbers in my KR manual. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:02:06 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR>VW engine on ebay To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000201c5a868$fa5a1540$e497fea9@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Item 4569466920 New Aerovee 2180 Aircraft Engine Brand New, Never Run Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 Kr Construction Web page http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:09:05 -0700 From: "Steve Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> 56ML Incidence To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000601c5a8ce$89589360$c864a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm going to move the CG aft some (by moving the backup battery toward the tail, and maybe adding a few pounds of lead to the tail spring mount) and THEN I might adjust the horizontal stab. +++++++++++++++ Thanks, makes complete sense now. You really are fine-tuning this bird. = Having the CG float around (and within) the fwd part of the range is better, but you already know that. = If you must have a battery (or other heavy object) behind the seats, please secure it really well - these things become missiles in an accident. Consider finding a reason to make another engine mount or shortening the present mount by a few mm. (Won't be the first time you did something three times to get it perfect). When you get around to moving the prop and hub back a tad, that will also contribute without adding any weight, as will any weight you may save on the new cowl. Good luck Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:23:52 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: Message-ID: <430C3CA8.00000B.02700@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Be sure there is enough resin to get the peel ply wet, even if you have to add some back. You must be getting your layup too dry. Carbon fiber is 5 times lighter and 5 times more expensive. It is also stronger and more brittle. It also blocks radio waves. Used in the right places for the right reasons, it is well worth it. We used it for our seats because that weight is aft CG and we knew that anything aft would be a problem. But then we had to install the radio antenna on top of the plane instead of behind the seat which was the intended place for it. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- I get a few voids on the cloth Those of you that have worked with large pieces of carbon, does it really save that much weight is it really worth the extra money? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:25:09 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Stang? To: Message-ID: <430C3CF5.00000D.02700@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brian, You flyin the Stang to the Gathering? Cool. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:40:58 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> 56ML Incidence To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c5a8a0$b22881c0$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Steve J wrote: > Consider finding a reason to make another engine mount or shortening > the present mount by a few mm. The nose of my starter is about a quarter inch from the firewall, so the engine's as far back as it can go without cutting a hole in the firewall... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:28:07 -0700 (PDT) From: James Jernigan Subject: RE: KR> engine CHT temps To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050824132807.85192.qmail@web81603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 These laser thermometers, which I think is what you are referring to, are getting cheaper and cheaper. And better. I just bought one , a Raytek MT6, on Ebay for the "buy it now" price of 56.00. This thing is great! It will measure up to 900 deg F and is useful not only for head temps, but for identifying dead cylinders in a flash, measuring the efficiency of your home A/C system, determining if your car thermostat is opening- the possibilities are endless! So far I have managed to keep it secret from my thirteen year old son, who no doubt would measure the temp of every square inch of everything in his world, but I know he will get hip to it sooner or later. Then I will be able to issue a report for how resilient it is. Cheers, Jim Jernigan Brian Kraut wrote: I would love to give it a shot on my plane to make sure that I have the CHT probe on the hottest cylinder if I could talk you into bringing it again. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:20 PM To: Ron Eason; KRnet Subject: Re: KR> engine CHT temps Last year, I brought an IR temp sensor to the gathering for anyone who wished to test their head temps. Jim Faughn was the only one interested in doing it. I still have the tester and have found it very useful when test running my engine to locate the hot areas in the cylinder heads. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: KR> engine CHT temps > If anyone out there has access to a IR Scope it could be used to find > the temperature quadrants on the heads of engines types[ VW Corv. > Cont. and etc.]. The info would indicate where to place sensors. I > have worked with these scopes at GM, but the scope is GM's not mine. > > KRRon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:40 PM > Subject: KR> engine CHT temps > > > > In response to the exchange on location of the temp probe for CHT, > > I'll repost this from Dec. of 2003 for your consideration: > > ================== Howdy, Netters- > > > > I got my "Beetle Flyer" (from Great Plains Aircraft Supply) over the > > weekend and took notice of a tech tip on locating your CHT sensor on > > the VW engine > > ( down the page, at http://www.greatplainsas.com/bf20032.html ). Standard > > practice is to install it under a spark plug, but Steve Bennett > > points out > > that your CHT temps will read high if you do this... by as much as > > 150F. He recommends installing it under a head stud (location is > > given in the text > > in > > the Flyer, but not as clear as it could be). Long and short of it is that > > if you're running a VW and have your CHT sensor under a spark plug, > > you may not be getting readings that reflect what you're really > > interested in. > > > > If Bob Hoover is still monitoring this list, maybe he would care to chime > > in? If Steve is monitoring this list, maybe he would care to > > elaborate more clearly on the preferred location? The picture in the > > Flyer identifies a > > boss that is used for fuel injection temp. probe, but doesn't say > > this is > > the recommended spot (and doesn't seem to be a good spot anyway). > > The idea is to respect the metallurgy of the head castings by not > > allowing the CHT > > to > > exceed recommended temperature... bad and irreversible damage can > > result if the metal gets too hot. > > > > Oh, and somewhat timely and related to Mark Jones and Mark > > Langford's two > > different approaches to cooling plenum on the Corvair, the Beetle > > Flyer also addresses cooling plenum design for the VW on the > > above-referenced webpage. > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > San Antonio, TX > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:45:25 -0500 From: glidden@ccrtc.com Subject: KR> beverage for gathering To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <200508241045379.SM00140@ccrtc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Netters I have planned on getting the beverage for the gathering and bringing it with me on thursday afternoon when I arrive.The plan right now is to get a 16 gal jug of amberbock rootbeer and miller lite cream soda.The jugs are around $60.00 a jug.I did not think that was to bad a price.Any thoughts let me know.I already have the pumps so I will not have to rent them.I will have my computer here at work off line for a while but will check and answer any replys when I get home tonight. Bob Glidden KR2S N181FW (Building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:08:33 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> beverage for gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c5a8c6$13c4e930$29a572d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Damn. I'm unable to attend. Can.t you just send me a pint of the rootbeer? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: KR> beverage for gathering > Netters > I have planned on getting the beverage for the gathering and bringing > it > with me on thursday afternoon when I arrive.The plan right now is to get a > 16 gal jug of amberbock rootbeer and miller lite cream soda.The jugs are > around $60.00 a jug.I did not think that was to bad a price.Any thoughts > let me know.I already have the pumps so I will not have to rent them.I > will have my computer here at work off line for a while but will check and > answer any replys when I get home tonight. > > Bob Glidden > KR2S N181FW (Building) > Corvair 110 > glidden@ccrtc.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:07:03 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> engine CHT temps To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009f01c5a8df$03a670a0$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original An IR scope is not a laser temp indicator. A scope gives you a picture of the object being monitored and shows the temp gradients of the part, where it's the coldest and where it's the hottest and what the temp's. are. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Jernigan" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: RE: KR> engine CHT temps > These laser thermometers, which I think is what you are referring to, > are > getting cheaper and cheaper. And better. I just bought one , a Raytek > MT6, on Ebay for the "buy it now" price of 56.00. This thing is great! > It will measure up to 900 deg F and is useful not only for head temps, but > for identifying dead cylinders in a flash, measuring the efficiency of > your home A/C system, determining if your car thermostat is opening- the > possibilities are endless! So far I have managed to keep it secret from > my thirteen year old son, who no doubt would measure the temp of every > square inch of everything in his world, but I know he will get hip to it > sooner or later. Then I will be able to issue a report for how resilient > it is. > > Cheers, Jim Jernigan > > Brian Kraut wrote: > I would love to give it a shot on my plane to make sure that I have > the > CHT > probe on the hottest cylinder if I could talk you into bringing it again. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of > Mark Jones > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:20 PM > To: Ron Eason; KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> engine CHT temps > > > Last year, I brought an IR temp sensor to the gathering for anyone who > wished to test their head temps. Jim Faughn was the only one > interested in doing it. I still have the tester and have found it very > useful when test running my engine to locate the hot areas in the > cylinder heads. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Eason" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: KR> engine CHT temps > > >> If anyone out there has access to a IR Scope it could be used to find >> the temperature quadrants on the heads of engines types[ VW Corv. >> Cont. and etc.]. The info would indicate where to place sensors. I >> have worked with these scopes at GM, but the scope is GM's not mine. >> >> KRRon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Oscar Zuniga" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:40 PM >> Subject: KR> engine CHT temps >> >> >> > In response to the exchange on location of the temp probe for CHT, >> > I'll repost this from Dec. of 2003 for your consideration: >> > ================== Howdy, Netters- >> > >> > I got my "Beetle Flyer" (from Great Plains Aircraft Supply) over >> > the weekend and took notice of a tech tip on locating your CHT >> > sensor on the VW > engine >> > ( down the page, at http://www.greatplainsas.com/bf20032.html ). > Standard >> > practice is to install it under a spark plug, but Steve Bennett >> > points > out >> > that your CHT temps will read high if you do this... by as much as >> > 150F. >> > He >> > recommends installing it under a head stud (location is given in the > text >> > in >> > the Flyer, but not as clear as it could be). Long and short of it >> > is > that >> > if you're running a VW and have your CHT sensor under a spark plug, >> > you may not be getting readings that reflect what you're really >> > interested in. >> > >> > If Bob Hoover is still monitoring this list, maybe he would care to > chime >> > in? If Steve is monitoring this list, maybe he would care to >> > elaborate more clearly on the preferred location? The picture in >> > the Flyer identifies > a >> > boss that is used for fuel injection temp. probe, but doesn't say >> > this > is >> > the recommended spot (and doesn't seem to be a good spot anyway). >> > The idea is to respect the metallurgy of the head castings by not >> > allowing the > CHT >> > to >> > exceed recommended temperature... bad and irreversible damage can >> > result >> > if >> > the metal gets too hot. >> > >> > Oh, and somewhat timely and related to Mark Jones and Mark >> > Langford's > two >> > different approaches to cooling plenum on the Corvair, the Beetle >> > Flyer also addresses cooling plenum design for the VW on the >> > above-referenced webpage. >> > >> > Oscar Zuniga >> > San Antonio, TX >> > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > Search the KRnet Archives at >> > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:14:35 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00fb01c5a8e8$73069f20$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Here is how the process works. 1. Resin is less dense that fiberglass or any other cloth. 2. Therefore the cloth floats on top of the resin layer, [W/O peel ply] and forms a thick layer of cure resin just below the cloth making a heavier lay-up that is less strong because of the layer of resin.[as you add more resin the under-layer gets thicker] 3. By using the peel ply, capillary action draws the resin from under the cloth up to the layer between the peel ply and cloth, forcing the cloth closer to the structure being covered. You should add just enough resin to wet the cloth and peel ply. When you remove the peel ply you see the thin layer of resin.[ If the cloth wave is present, you didn't add enough resin]. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > > Does the peel ply actualy soak up the resin or does the resin work > through the cloth to sit ontop of the peel ply. Can you use the cloth > more then once? > > The problem I have had is that after I work the resin into the cloth > and squeege of the extra resin, the, I get a few voids on the cloth... > I have to cut it out.. flox it over and then sand. > > Those of you that have worked with large pieces of carbon, does it > really save that much weight over the standard cloth. 5.9 oz > fiberglass vs 3.9 oz carbon.. the difference in the entire piece is > about 10-15 oz, is it really worth the extra money? > > -Jeff > >>From: "Mike Turner" >>Reply-To: KRnet >>To: "KRnet" >>Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. >>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:52:04 -0500 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] >>X-Originating-Email: [aviator42@msn.com] >>X-Sender: aviator42@msn.com >>Received: from lizard.esosoft.net ([38.118.200.18]) by >>mc2-f33.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 23 Aug >>2005 18:53:00 -0700 >>Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net)by >>lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1E7kRo-0001DR-Anfor >>wilder_jeff@msn.com; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:53:00 -0700 >>Received: from bay106-dav9.bay106.hotmail.com ([65.54.161.81] >>helo=hotmail.com)by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id >>1E7kQv-00013D-4Efor krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:52:05 -0700 >>Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft >>SMTPSVC;Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:52:04 -0700 >>Received: from 65.54.161.203 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV;Wed, 24 Aug >>2005 01:52:04 +0000 >>X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHMGSxvvqv8kPRzFwHUwmvl3BLTWq4Z1Yo= >>References: >><000001c5a743$828f6450$7407a8c0@privatevkzwc19><002301c5a768$9b81ce60$1ba772d8@patrusso> >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: MSN 9 >>X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 >>Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:52:04 -0500 >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2005 01:52:04.0707 >>(UTC)FILETIME=[6D729B30:01C5A84E] >>X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.4 >>X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >>Precedence: list >>List-Id: KRnet >>List-Unsubscribe: >>, >>List-Archive: >>List-Post: >>List-Help: >>List-Subscribe: >>, >>Errors-To: krnet-bounces+wilder_jeff=msn.com@mylist.net >>Return-Path: krnet-bounces+wilder_jeff=msn.com@mylist.net >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: patrusso >> To: KRnet >> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:26 PM >> Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. >> Dubi >> One other aspect of peel ply is that it helps to save over all >>weight >> as >>you pull it off it removes some of the excess epoxy that you would not >>other wise get just by squeege process. >> >> Mike Turner >> Jackson, Missouri >> >> Dubi >> You are correct on all counts. Other hints are: A-Using peel ply >>will leave >> a smoother finish with less sanding later on. B-If you are using >>urethane >> foam, wipe down the cured glass with a lightly dampened (with denatured >> alcohol) cloth to remove the waxy residue that epoxy generates in the >> curing process. This will make sanding easier and faster. Omit this >>if you >> are using styrene foams. Alcohol will attack/melt the foam if not >>totally >> protected. Not all foams require slurry. Some urethanes are dense >> enough >>to >> simply apply wet epoxy to, then lay your cloth on and stiple and >>squeegee >> off the excess. Good luck. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dubi Gefen" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:01 PM >> Subject: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. >> >> >> > Hello Krnet members! >> > >> > I would like to understanding the glassing procedure on foam. >> > >> > Follow th >> > Regards >> > Dubi Gefen. >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > Search the KRnet Archives at >>http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >>KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> > please see other KRnet info at >>http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >>http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >>KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at >>http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>_______________________________________ >>Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >>please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:39:48 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: "Ron Eason , KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005832420394893@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 1. Resin is less dense that fiberglass or any other cloth. 2. Therefore the cloth floats on top of the resin layer, That does not make sense, the less dense material should be what floats! i.e.: wood is less dense than water so it floats. Steel is denser than water so it sinks. Joachim ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:18:18 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> temp checker To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050824161818.0083e210@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So far I have managed to keep it secret from my thirteen year old son, who no doubt would measure the temp of every square inch of everything in his world, Jim Jernigan +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just don't let him start using it on those teenage girls at school. He'll be able to pick out all the "hot" ones and then you'll have real problems !! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:38:02 -0700 From: "Carol & Weldon Jennings" Subject: KR> Main gear jack info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001801c5a8f4$1bfae040$1d1ffea9@Duke> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have a tailwheel configuration with the "Grove" main gear legs and no wheel covers. The brake line follows the rear edge of leg and is glassed in. Does anyone have any recommendations for jacking plane enough to remove a main wheel? Is there a clamp-type tool usable around the brake line? I don't want to muscle it up on a foam pillow. Thanks! ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:47:01 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Main gear jack info To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050824144458.0238ea18@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Does anyone have any recommendations for jacking plane enough to remove >a main wheel? Is there a clamp-type tool usable around the brake line? >I don't want to muscle it up on a foam pillow. >Pep Boys is selling an ATV hydraulic jack for $49.95 (sale) with a >large >rubber covered lift table. I have one, it is perfect. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:52:10 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <001401c5a8f6$14e7e490$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original OK it's the reverse. You got the Idea. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Saupe" To: "Ron Eason , KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > > 1. Resin is less dense that fiberglass or any other cloth. > 2. Therefore the cloth floats on top of the resin layer, > > That does not make sense, the less dense material should be what > floats! > > i.e.: wood is less dense than water so it floats. Steel is denser than > water so it sinks. > > Joachim > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:09:57 -0800 From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> Main gear jack info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c5a900$f22b1110$85f651cf@alk1e9f7i3pcg3> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Weldon, Made a saw horse just tight under the firewall. Put it under the FW and lift the tail wheel and put something under it. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol & Weldon Jennings" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: KR> Main gear jack info >I have a tailwheel configuration with the "Grove" main gear legs and no >wheel covers. The brake line follows the rear edge of leg and is >glassed in. Does anyone have any recommendations for jacking plane >enough to remove a main wheel? Is there a clamp-type tool usable >around the brake line? I > don't want to muscle it up on a foam pillow. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/2005 > > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:08:20 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Main gear jack info To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050824170820.0083e100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I have a tailwheel configuration with the "Grove" main gear legs and no >wheel covers. The brake line follows the rear edge of leg and is glassed >in. Does anyone have any recommendations for jacking plane enough to remove >a main wheel? Is there a clamp-type tool usable around the brake line? I >don't want to muscle it up on a foam pillow. Thanks! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I've not done it personally but I know an A&P, IA, that uses a LARGE "C" clamp. He puts some plywood on the gear leg so the "C" clamp won't damage the leg and then uses a roll-around floor jack to lift the aircraft. I know he uses this method on most flat spring gear Cessnas and your KR will be much lighter. I'd suggest that after you have the aircraft raised you block it to stabilize it and keep it from falling on you. A friend of mine was killed trying to change landing gear bungees when the airplane fell on him. Damn shame.......... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:15:05 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Main gear jack info To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050824151419.02388608@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:09 PM 8/24/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Weldon, >Made a saw horse just tight under the firewall. Put it under the FW and lift >the tail wheel and put something under it. Al Better put another one under the wing that has the wheel off. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:27:11 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Main gear jack info To: Message-ID: <430CF43F.000001.03952@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lift the tail so the plane is around level, put a board under each main wing stub spar with a jack under the boards, and jack away. To make it safer, use a short strong saw horse and lower the wing onto the saw horse under each wing and remove the jacks until finished. With the engine on, it may want to tilt forward, unless the outboard wings are still on. So, if that is not the case, be sure to anchor the tail with some kind of weight. Now you can do both wheels before you have to mess with it again. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- Is there a clamp-type tool usable around the brake line? ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:22:46 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> temp checker To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c5a90b$1ee97d40$11ec4345@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The hell with teenagers. I was on a Navy project prototyping a FLIR (Forward Looking Infra -Red) turret into the nose of a H-53 as part of a night vision/flight effort just after the Iran hostage F-up. To get from the front offices to the cafeteria at NADC everybody had to walk by the prototyping hanger area and we used it to spot all the secretaries who weren't wearing bras! (two hot spots) :-) Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 323 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================