From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 324 Date: 8/24/2005 9:00:24 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Mt Vernon Holiday Inn (Orma) 2. Engine update (Colin & Bev Rainey) 3. Re: Mt Vernon Holiday Inn (Mark Jones) 4. RE: Mt Vernon Holiday Inn (wilder_jeff Wilder) 5. Re: Mt Vernon Holiday Inn (Mark Langford) 6. Gathering Beverage (Bob Glidden) 7. RE: 56ML Incidence (Brian Kraut) 8. RE: Stang? (Brian Kraut) 9. RE: beverage for gathering (Brian Kraut) 10. Re: 56ML Incidence (Barry Kruyssen) 11. RE: Main gear jack info (Brian Kraut) 12. Paint job (Ron Lee) 13. new KR owner (daddo2@verizon.net) 14. Re: new KR owner (Barry Kruyssen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:17:21 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Mt Vernon Holiday Inn To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01ee01c5a912$c016c3b0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net The nice lady at the Mt Vernon Holiday Inn was kind enough to let me have a room at the block rate, even though the date had expired on Aug 18. It says two things to me, first of all, not all of you have sighed up to stay yet and second of all they are empty enough to still give a good rate. Quit waiting and reserve that room. Lets make it a record breaking event. The brake change on my KR is complete and ground testing and possibly flight testing will be conducted on Sunday. My wheel pants may remain off till after the event, but we plan to go or bust. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:54:22 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Engine update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003801c5a917$ea4b9110$3a412141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, finally had time today to drive over and pickup my motor mount from William Wynne's hangar. He has had it ready since Monday but work kept me from getting it until today. I ordered it just before Sun n Fun knowing that it would be after the flyin before it was ready. Clark's Corvair running behind on the OT 10 cams delayed me a month waiting, so I had told WW to not be in a hurry about the mount. Not thinking about the summer being that busy, WW got committed to two other flyin's and Oshkosh, so only in the last week has the hangar crew gotten back in town in full to get back to normal and begin the routine of engine support again. As usual they were all in the middle of some development work on several different engines at the same time, one of which was a re-build of a Corvair motor that the owner said " It has all kinds of special stuff inside!". It was so special that it would not even run. Kevin and Gus had just finished going ALL the way through it to make it right, and in Kevin's words, "It would be easier to explain what I didn't have to change or fix." The Zodiac is sporting a new Sensenich wooden prop that almost looked like it was dripping clear lacquer. WW also showed me the new KR cowling molds and told me that his mold guy is getting 10 cowlings ready as we speak. I just missed Bill Clapp as he was leaving to fly back to Valdosta sporting the new cowling, so you guys at the Gathering will see it before me I think. WW is already talking about and getting geared up for Corvair College #9 in November. Should be a good one. We hope to make an appearance at that one. Assembling the motor tonight and hoping to move the plane home maybe this weekend for the beginning of the mounting of the motor. Stay tuned.... Colin Rainey KSFB N96TA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:08:02 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Mt Vernon Holiday Inn To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003701c5a919$d3834840$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orma....great to hear you are going to fly Tweety to the gathering. I look forward to seeing you there. This evening, I had to do my KR duty and go out and fly. I put 1.4 hours on the KR this evening. I also flew over to a neighboring airport to get an estimate on a paint job. This guy is a professional and he wanted $5500 to paint it. Ha.... I will do it my self. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" My wheel pants may remain off till after the event, but we plan to go or bust. > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:11:57 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: RE: KR> Mt Vernon Holiday Inn To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I know this has been talked about many times.... but can you tell me ... when its going on.. and what city and state? I might like to come if I can get away. -Jeff >From: "Orma" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: KR> Mt Vernon Holiday Inn >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:17:21 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lizard.esosoft.net ([38.118.200.18]) by >MC6-F18.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:17:44 -0700 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net)by >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1E86ND-000FEQ-M3; Wed, 24 Aug >2005 18:17:43 -0700 >Received: from host203.com ([203.194.159.243])by lizard.esosoft.net with >esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E86N7-000FEG-T5for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 >18:17:38 -0700 >Received: (qmail 31489 invoked by uid 503); 25 Aug 2005 01:17:20 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO ROBBINS1) (orma@69.212.49.47)by host203.com >with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 01:17:20 -0000 >X-Message-Info: loPmDlX8LgdYQ7JTyoGWdY4fRYDIU2eopXn8LsIuKdo= >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.4 >X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >List-Id: KRnet >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >Return-Path: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2005 01:17:44.0843 (UTC) >FILETIME=[CC160DB0:01C5A912] > >Hello Net >The nice lady at the Mt Vernon Holiday Inn was kind enough to let me >have a >room at the block rate, even though the date had expired on Aug 18. It >says two things to me, first of all, not all of you have sighed up to stay >yet and second of all they are empty enough to still give a good rate. >Quit waiting and reserve that room. Lets make it a record breaking event. >The brake change on my KR is complete and ground testing and possibly >flight testing will be conducted on Sunday. My wheel pants may remain off >till after the event, but we plan to go or bust. > >Orma >Southfield, MI >N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year >Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust >http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:17:37 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Mt Vernon Holiday Inn To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01f201c5a91b$29de1ac0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" wilder_jeff wrote: > I know this has been talked about many times.... but can you tell me > ... > when its going on.. and what city and state? See http://www.krgathering.org/ for details. Be there! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:51:26 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: KR> Gathering Beverage To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005401c5a91f$e3cb9ee0$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters I have received a few emails from different people wanting to send money for the rootbeer and cream soda.Just wait and we will put a can out at the gathering for donations and if you don't want to contribute drink anyway.It's just easier for me to pick them up since I'm pretty close and wont have to travel with them very far......Just look for the red and white pop up.Oh and we'll leave the lite on for you..... Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:15:39 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> 56ML Incidence To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have pondered the idea of having a couple pound weight on some type of pulley in the tail cone that could be moved forward or aft while in flight. You could arrange it so that your C.G. is correct with an almost empty header tank and a heavy passenger when the weight is moved forward. With just you and no passenger you could roll the weight towards the rear. Obviously, this is something that could cause an accident if it was put in the wrong position at the wrong time, moved by itself, or the weight broke off under heavy Gs and went sliding around. I don't know that the FAA would even allow it, but it is an interresting idea to ponder even if it was only set up temporarilly to explore performance at different C.G. locations while safely at altitude. I did notice that my KR was about 4 MPH faster when it was on the aft side of the safe limit than on the forward side of the safe limit. I also noticed that for a given C.G. location the speed was about the same regardless of my weight. I could achieve about the same C.G. location in a light loading with just me, fuel in the wing tanks, and a low header tank or a heavy loading with a full header, me and my son in the plane, and full wing tanks. Either way, speed was about the same, but climb rate differed. My Midget Mustang acts differently. I can't tell any difference at all in handling or speed with a full or very low header tank on it. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steve Jacobs Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:09 PM To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR> 56ML Incidence I'm going to move the CG aft some (by moving the backup battery toward the tail, and maybe adding a few pounds of lead to the tail spring mount) and THEN I might adjust the horizontal stab. +++++++++++++++ Thanks, makes complete sense now. You really are fine-tuning this bird. = Having the CG float around (and within) the fwd part of the range is better, but you already know that. = If you must have a battery (or other heavy object) behind the seats, please secure it really well - these things become missiles in an accident. Consider finding a reason to make another engine mount or shortening the present mount by a few mm. (Won't be the first time you did something three times to get it perfect). When you get around to moving the prop and hub back a tad, that will also contribute without adding any weight, as will any weight you may save on the new cowl. Good luck Steve J _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:15:41 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Stang? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" As long as no one buys it in the next...how many days? I have actually been trying to fly up to see your KR but something gets in the way every weekend. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:25 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Stang? Brian, You flyin the Stang to the Gathering? Cool. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:15:42 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> beverage for gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yuengling! Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of glidden@ccrtc.com Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:45 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> beverage for gathering Netters I have planned on getting the beverage for the gathering and bringing it with me on thursday afternoon when I arrive.The plan right now is to get a 16 gal jug of amberbock rootbeer and miller lite cream soda.The jugs are around $60.00 a jug.I did not think that was to bad a price.Any thoughts let me know.I already have the pumps so I will not have to rent them.I will have my computer here at work off line for a while but will check and answer any replys when I get home tonight. Bob Glidden KR2S N181FW (Building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:22:42 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> 56ML Incidence To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0d6301c5a924$42ace0f0$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Taurus motor glider uses fluid to alter the C of G as per the quote below from http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/models/taurus.html "One of the unique features of the Taurus is the mass trim system. There are two fluid reservoirs in the aircraft, one in the nose and one in the tail section. Since both pilots sit in front of the CofG, the CofG range can move quite considerably. In case only one pilot is on board, the trim fluid is pumped into the front reservoir. Should there be 2 persons on board, the trim fluid is pumped into the tail section. By using the mass trim system the aircraft becomes safe and insensitive to big differences in pilot weights." Regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: KRnet Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: RE: KR> 56ML Incidence I have pondered the idea of having a couple pound weight on some type of pulley in the tail cone that could be moved forward or aft while in flight. You could arrange it so that your C.G. is correct with an almost empty header tank and a heavy passenger when the weight is moved forward. With just you and no passenger you could roll the weight towards the rear. Obviously, this is something that could cause an accident if it was put in the wrong position at the wrong time, moved by itself, or the weight broke off under heavy Gs and went sliding around. I don't know that the FAA would even allow it, but it is an interresting idea to ponder even if it was only set up temporarilly to explore performance at different C.G. locations while safely at altitude. I did notice that my KR was about 4 MPH faster when it was on the aft side of the safe limit than on the forward side of the safe limit. I also noticed that for a given C.G. location the speed was about the same regardless of my weight. I could achieve about the same C.G. location in a light loading with just me, fuel in the wing tanks, and a low header tank or a heavy loading with a full header, me and my son in the plane, and full wing tanks. Either way, speed was about the same, but climb rate differed. My Midget Mustang acts differently. I can't tell any difference at all in handling or speed with a full or very low header tank on it. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steve Jacobs Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:09 PM To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR> 56ML Incidence I'm going to move the CG aft some (by moving the backup battery toward the tail, and maybe adding a few pounds of lead to the tail spring mount) and THEN I might adjust the horizontal stab. +++++++++++++++ Thanks, makes complete sense now. You really are fine-tuning this bird. = Having the CG float around (and within) the fwd part of the range is better, but you already know that. = If you must have a battery (or other heavy object) behind the seats, please secure it really well - these things become missiles in an accident. Consider finding a reason to make another engine mount or shortening the present mount by a few mm. (Won't be the first time you did something three times to get it perfect). When you get around to moving the prop and hub back a tad, that will also contribute without adding any weight, as will any weight you may save on the new cowl. Good luck Steve J _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:36:00 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Main gear jack info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I had to jack my Mustang about a month ago to change the axles and I used this method. I used two C clamps to clamp a scrap block of aluminum to the leg (piece of wood 2X4 should also work fine) and I just put a cheap bottle jack under it. On my KR I had the 1/4" threaded hole in the center of the axle for holding on the wheel pants. I used to use a 4' piece of 2X4 with a screw in the side of it about 10" from the end. I would put a 2" bolt in the threaded hole in the axle and use the 2X4 as a lever to lift the plane. The screw in the board was put under the bolt and that kept the plane from sliding down the board as it was lifted. I had a couple of other wood blocks that were the right height to put under the gear leg when it was lifted. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:08 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Main gear jack info >I have a tailwheel configuration with the "Grove" main gear legs and no >wheel covers. The brake line follows the rear edge of leg and is >glassed in. Does anyone have any recommendations for jacking plane >enough to remove >a main wheel? Is there a clamp-type tool usable around the brake line? I >don't want to muscle it up on a foam pillow. Thanks! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I've not done it personally but I know an A&P, IA, that uses a LARGE "C" clamp. He puts some plywood on the gear leg so the "C" clamp won't damage the leg and then uses a roll-around floor jack to lift the aircraft. I know he uses this method on most flat spring gear Cessnas and your KR will be much lighter. I'd suggest that after you have the aircraft raised you block it to stabilize it and keep it from falling on you. A friend of mine was killed trying to change landing gear bungees when the airplane fell on him. Damn shame.......... Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:36:06 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR> Paint job To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050824213322.01c7ec70@mail.pcisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > I also flew over to a >neighboring airport to get an estimate on a paint job. This guy is a >professional and he wanted $5500 to paint it. Ha.... I will do it my >self. I am having part of my plane repainted a manly color for a great overall cost. The majority of the labor is mine prepping the paint. I got the plane back today then the control surfaces were painted today. And to think that I considered multiple cans of Krylon paint. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:44:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: KR> new KR owner To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <32497611.1124941483616.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just bought a KR2 that was built in 1980? and has flown less than 250 hrs.It has the original Revmaster 2100D with [you guessed it] less than 250 hrs TT. I'm not worried about the engine too much since I live close to the RM factory in Hesperia, Ca. What I'd like to know is if there are any KR owner/builders in my area [Palm Springs,Ca]....Fred ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:53:21 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> new KR owner To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0d8501c5a928$8aed4a40$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My personal opinion is to pull the motor down and check it, cheap insurance. My reason: I bought a KR2 with less than 10 hours on it. Due to poor storage (not inhibited correctly) the crank got rust on it, when started the rust went through the bearings and seals stuffing them, the barrels and pistons. Cost me a new engine. (and I paid new price for the stuffed engine, we live and we learn :-) Luckily I never got off the ground with it. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: daddo2@verizon.net To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:44 PM Subject: KR> new KR owner I just bought a KR2 that was built in 1980? and has flown less than 250 hrs.It has the original Revmaster 2100D with [you guessed it] less than 250 hrs TT. I'm not worried about the engine too much since I live close to the RM factory in Hesperia, Ca. What I'd like to know is if there are any KR owner/builders in my area [Palm Springs,Ca]....Fred ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 324 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================