From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 360 Date: 9/13/2005 3:58:59 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Like Nascar and Football/Baseball (Colin & Bev Rainey) 2. Fwd: Gathering '05 (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 3. Gathering 2005 (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 4. Back in Cali (Steve Glover) 5. Free e-mail accounts (Frank Ross) 6. Re: Changing gear -- from retractable to tri-gear (Mike Geogheganandothers?) (phil brookman) 7. Re: Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon (phil brookman) 8. over voltage pain (phil brookman) 9. Re: over voltage pain (Dan Heath) 10. Two Gatherings (Dan Heath) 11. Re: Gathering Date OR PLACE???? (Dan Heath) 12. Re: over voltage pain (phil brookman) 13. Re: over voltage pain (Dan Heath) 14. Re: over voltage pain (phil brookman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:04:18 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Like Nascar and Football/Baseball To: Message-ID: <009e01c5b818$36f74db0$3a412141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not to upset anyone, but I have been thinking for a while that we should have 2 events a year. Nascar has 2 major races at the same tracks each year, football and baseball play the same teams at least twice, and clubs like the Bonanza Club and Mooney Club meet once a week to once a month for breakfast/brunch in local areas. Even the bike runs I attend happen twice a year, Biketoberfest in the Fall, and Bike Week in the Spring. It seems to me that if it were organized well with 2 different hosts, maybe 2 slightly different locations, one event sometime in the Spring, and one in the Fall, more people could attend one or the other, or both. The biggest thing I can see is that it would raise the enthusiasm of the builders, because they could meet with their friends more often, touch and feel KRs more often, and just raise overall camaraderie of the KR community. Sun n Fun is fine, but KRs are dwarfed at Sun n Fun, and too much of that event is commercialized (no offense Virgil). I have been to Sun n Fun 4 times and feel that there is NOT enough contact with actual builders, whether it be kit built or plans built. The Gathering does that. If agreeable we could call them The Gathering in the Fall, and The Get Together in the Spring. The world of bikes and Nascar, and sports have seen no detriment to twice a year, I don't believe we would either. The Southern Rebels have been talking for 2 years now about having an early warm-up anyhow. Ok, said my piece and then some... Back to finishing the assembly of my Corvair... Hey Langford, when you get a chance, let me know about your test prop you ran your engine on please, off net, thanks. Colin Rainey KSFB N96TA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:30:00 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Fwd: Gathering '05 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <13c.1b7cac9c.3057afc8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:35:29 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Gathering 2005 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <128.64ecdf49.3057b111@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sorry about the empty letter - here goes... Well, another successful gathering ! I flew 41768 up on Thursday with a friend on mine (Jerry Howard a KR2 builder) and we arrived at 6:00 pm or so in Mt. Vernon. Elaine couldnt go because of school so Jerry got a ride with me. A very uneventful flight with lots of haze. We left Valdosta at around 1400 lbs - and still climbed out at 500'/min. Not too shabby. The Gathering went well with 14 Krs in attendance - a few less than last year but understandable with the weather/ hurricanes/ and fuel prices - overall a GREAT! time. I gave out lots of rides and did a couple low passes to spur on the crowd. Unfortunately I didnt get many pictures so I will wait until you all get them out so I can see them. Steve Jones flew his Turbo Corvair and won People Choice! Nice job Steve! Troy P. won Best KR! and a nice Kr it is. I just had a blast. Four Corvair KRs were there. Steve Jones, Mark Jones, Mark Langford and myself. Good going to all of you and well done! Hope to see all of you at Sun and Fun - Oshkosh and the next Gathering.. The rest of you - get building! Your missing all the fun! Dont forget the upcoming Corvair College yall - it ia a lot of fun and engine intensive! Look for a lot of new exciting innovations and a couple suprizes - I cant let the cat out of the bag just yet....I hope to be there to lend a hand and give out rides to corvair folk who can fit in the KR. Lots happenin.... Bless you all - Bill ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:43:30 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: KR> Back in Cali To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <001b01c5b81d$b3783890$9865fea9@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Hello Netter's, > > I FINALLY made it back at about 6:45 PM tonight. This was one > eventful trip. Once visibility cleared enough to leave MVN, I made my > way through the haze to Monett, MO. Winds were more than I typically > care for but would certainly get worse before this trip was over. From > Misery on, or is it Missouri, I was getting beat to death from rough > air. Lightening and rain storms were encountered in Oklahoma. I > skirted between two downpours (I have photos) to make it to El Reno > where the winds were about 18 with gusts to 25. Not fun. Checked > weather which indicated the Texas pan handle would be fairly clear to > Amarillo. NOT. Once over the Texas border the fun really began. MAJOR > rain and lightening storms throughout the pan handle. I had to divert > about 300 miles to the south to get around it and finally ended up in > Hobbs, NM at dark. > > The services indicated in the facilities directory were non existent. > As I was preparing to tie my KR down outside and getting it ready for > the lightening and rain storm fast approaching, a gentleman pulled up > and illuminated my KR with his headlights. He asked if I wanted to > put the KR inside for the night. He said no plane deserved to stay > out in these conditions. Fortunately for me, he is the president of > the local EAA chapter and founder of the southwest pilots association > ( I think that's right?) Anyway, we nestled the KR in with his other > 4 aircraft for the night and then he took me to a local motel. ( Why > yes, I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night). Then, he showed > up at 6am to take me back to the airport. Talk about hospitality! > Unfortunately, the ceilings where 600' or less until about 11 am so I > was unable to depart. We ended up going to breakfast instead. Once we > returned, I noticed my right wheel pant was damaged. The night before > I had taxied over a speed bump. The ramp was not well marked or lit. > We made a quick field repair and then I was off to Albuquerque. > Initially I was going to go the southern route but the weather was > already getting bad so I ended up heading north through Roswell, NM. > Didn't see any aliens but came pretty close to a jumbo jet on final > into Roswell. > > Although the fuel is expensive, I have had nothing but the finest > treatment at Double Eagle in Albuquerque. If you ever have the > chance, stop in to Bode Air. They are great people. I have stopped > there over night on at least 3 occasions. They never charge a fee and > always make sure I get to a hotel. And of course there is always a > lot of activity around the KR when it arrives. > > It was now the afternoon, the worst time of day to go through the > desert to California. Weather report indicate severe turbulence > through Winslow and Sedona, AZ. 20 to 30 knot head and crosswinds all > the way to Parker, AZ. I made a fuel stop in Holbrook, AZ and had 17 > knot winds upon arrival. Needless to say, most of my landings were > exciting but not too bad.... well, maybe one was. After Parker, > things smoothed out significantly until I reached the LA basin. The > same lovely haze I had left in MVN was just as nasty here. > > The tires just kissed the runway as I landed and as I taxied > exhaustedly to the hangar, I couldn't help to feel the satisfaction of > completing another adventure across the USA in my KR. It was great to > see old friends and make some new ones. I can't wait until next year! > > Steve Glover > KR-2 N902G > AJO, Ca > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Ross Subject: KR> Free e-mail accounts To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050913062018.39425.qmail@web32014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been off-net for several months but followed the digest on e-scribe until about a month ago when it would no longer come up. All I'd get was the "That page unavailable" page from MS. Anyway, glad to be back on KRnet and up-dating on the Gathering. --- Mark Langford wrote: > Anybody that knows of a > free email account that actually works is welcome to > post information on > it... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama Because I travel a lot and move house about every four years, I've used "Yahoo!" free e-mail for nearly ten years with no problems. They are not my ISP because a. I want to be able to access the account from any library or friend's computer. b. yahoo wasn't available here when I got here anyway. c. If I get p*ssed at my ISP I can change REAL easy without having to e-mail everyone and change my e-mail address. d. Their new (free again) photo mail makes it real easy to send embedded pictures. e. I can have more than one free account, so I can use one for aviation, one for personal, one for internet shopping, etc. I've got several friends and relatives who have free yahoo accounts and NO computer. A free yahoo account is how they get to send free e-mails from their local library. When my computer quits on me, or my electricity goes out, I go to a public library and use their computer. Support your local library! One of the best features is Yahoo's "Bulk" folder. Anything that trips their Spam trigger goes into a Bulk folder. Looking through the crap in my Bulk folder it is easy to see why. Only on VERY rare occassions is a legitimate note in the Bulk folder. Then it's usually one of those that cousin Myrtle FW,FW,FW,FW to me because it was cute or she isn't taking her medications again. On the other hand, ALL my lists, genealogy, aviation, even advertising I have ASKED for, goes into my "Inbox" folder. I don't know how they do it, but if I have to start paying someday, it'll be worth it. My ISP is a British one (onetel) which I have never used for e-mail. Don't need to, I've got yahoo. I don't work for Yahoo or have any connection with them. Honest. Frank Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:07:33 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> Changing gear -- from retractable to tri-gear (Mike Geogheganandothers?) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003501c5b83a$32099570$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 hi rich there appears to be a couple of options tail- dragger that is a 1 piece alloy spring gear and the dan diehl system where there is a bracket on the spar with the legs coming off that i beieve dans are lighter but may not put the wheels far enough forward for my liking wheels further forward will allow some safer braking i feel - more weight on the tail where as 1 piece gear puts the wheels furhter forward you notice how light the retrac gear is on the tail -i dont like it as i see possible real dangers -it lifting up in winds ,no braking etc etc mine has 1 piece spring gear attached with 3 brackets onto the spar you can buy already done or possible to buy the alloy and get a shop to bend in the required curves you should be able to buy the 3 brackets to attach to the spar phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Meyer" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:55 AM Subject: KR> Changing gear -- from retractable to tri-gear (Mike Geogheganandothers?) > Mike, > A year and a half ago you posted about converting your project from a > "non-modified" (really? Is there such a thing?) "KR2 on retractable gear" > to tri-gear. > > After a year on Krnet (I lost my heart to KR) and a year on Sonextalk > (my brother-in-law and prospective partner in building did not want to > get into fiberglass work), my brother-in-law and I became the > silly-happy new owners of N26LT this week. I thought we were going to > get a > Sonex kit when we could afford it, but we found this KR for sale with > 300 hours on it, a HAPI VW 1835, and when he convinced himself he > could fit in it with seat dropped to the max, we bought it. Our plane > is a "non-modified" (really?) KR2 on retractable gear. We want to > remove the retractable gear and make it a tri-gear. We would like to > talk to anyone who has been through this conversion about the process. > > You said you had a single piece Grove gear made up. I thought there > was a bracket available to mount spring gear on the main spar in the > wing stubs? What have others used for the main who mounted tri-gear? > > Oh, and it's great to be back on Krnet! Next year we hope to make it > to the gathering. Thanks, > > Rich H. Meyer > Cptcsd at npcc dot net > Phone 574-642-3963 > Cell 574-202-3920 > > ------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Michael Geoghegan > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:43 PM > To: Krnet > Subject: KR>First flight for low time pilot (long) > > Netters > > My name is Mike Geoghegan. I have been a member of KRNET for about 4 years. > I have posted to the net on a few occasions but for the most part I > have listened and gathered a great deal of information which I have > used in the completion of my kr2. > > > > N47MG is a close to plans built kr2. About 4 years ago I rescued a > boat stage project that had been sitting in a barn for 10 years. It > was going to > the dumps or my garage and since I was looking for a project to take > up some > of my spare time I put it in my garage. I had started down the road toward > a private license in 1980 and got about 20 hours and solo when, due to > children, work, and everything else I had to stop. Well now with the > last child off to college I was ready to finally get that license. > The kr project would keep me busy and when finished, I would have a > plane to fly. > > For those of you who are not low time pilots I can make this post > short and > tell you that I am flying N47MG and I will be providing photos for everyone > to see as soon as the weather in Vermont gets a little warmer. I hope > that will be soon. > > The following is a recap of my experience getting my plane in the air > with very little flight time in my log book. The project was a non > modified tail > wheel kr2 on retracts. I won't go into detail on the completion of > the project except to say that I stuck to the plans and ended up with > a dry weight of 598 lbs. There were a few things I did in the > completion process > that I would recommend to others. > > 1. Be sure to balance ailerons and elevator. The elevator balance > is important because without it your elevator trim won't overcome the weight > of the elevator. > > 2. Don't short change the importance of both aileron and elevator > trim. I installed what was then Mac servos in the elevator and the > very smallest one in the left aileron so I could see it off to my > left. It is a > 12 inch piano hinge with a piece of 12 x 2 inch sheet metal attached > to the > trailing edge of the aileron. The servos are controlled by the four buttons > on the top of the stick. (also a Mac product) With the use of both > trims I > can fly this plane hands free for short periods of time. > > 3. The engine that came with the project was a 1700cc vw. It was > mounted as a hand prop setup and it had a posa carb installed. I > rebuilt the engine and when I got to the point of testing it I ran > into a lot of trouble with the posa carb. Suffice to say that after > many hours of testing > I lost my patience. I bit the bullet and bought an Ellison. I also > purchased an accessory case with starter and alternator. The Ellison > is fantastic and the starter is much safer. > > Now to the hard part. I finished my project in September of 2002. > Got the > airworthiness certificate and it was ready for testing. I did some > low speed taxi testing to maybe 25 mph but I didn't have my pilot > certificate yet so I was not going to be able to fly it anyway. I > found a test pilot with lots of tail wheel time that was willing to > take a test flight. In October of 2002 he showed up for an inspection > and a half hour later he got > in and took off. The test went very well. Climbs, steep turns, > stalls, and > a picture perfect wheel landing. He made it all look very easy. The > only thing I had to do was increase the surface area of the aileron > trim so it could hold the plane level hands free. > > After the test flight I had to take my check ride and get my > certificate. Once I did that I now had a tail wheel kr2 ready to fly. > I know that there have been some conversations on the net about not > needing a tail wheel endorsement to fly an experimental but you have > to be a fool to think that you don't need any tail wheel experience to > successfully fly one. Since the > test pilot I used was not a CFI and I couldn't find anyone to give me > the tail wheel experience I proceeded to do a lot of taxi testing > myself. After > about 6 hours of time trying to keep the tail up and the plane > straight and > almost loosing it on a number of occasions I did the smart thing and > converted the plane to a tri gear. I purchased a Diehl nose gear > assembly and I had a single piece Grove gear made up. I put Tracy > O'Brian brakes on > the gear and fabricated toe brake pedals to operate the hydraulics. > The main gear installation was really pretty easy once the brackets > were made up. > > After two or three taxi test sessions it was obvious that for me the change > to tri gear was the right way to go. The plane felt very comfortable. > It had familiar handling traits on the ground and I had no trouble > keeping it straight under throttle. On the fourth taxi test > everything felt so good at > 50 that instead of slowing I followed through with a little more speed > and back pressure. The plane absolutely leapt into the air. I > corrected with a > little forward pressure and within two oscillations I was climbing 700 > fpm at 80mph. Talking about a thrill! I played with the trim as I was climbing > and got settled so I wasn't holding the attitude with the stick. At > this point I would like to voice my observations about pitch > sensitivity. I only > have about 100 hours logged mostly in a 152 but first hand experience > can be > very valuable. In my opinion the kr2 is not pitch sensitive. What I > have found is that the kr2 is very stick sensitive. That is to say > that I only use a fraction of stick to control the plane. I have > found that if I trim > properly I can fly with two finger tips on the stick. If the plane is > not trimmed properly then I find myself using too much control input > and end up > over correcting. The plane responds so well that you can almost think about > banking and it will. Now to bring you back to where I left you last. > I was > climbing out on the first flight. What a joy to feel the response of > this plane. I spent some time at altitude trying different speeds and > flight attitudes including some slow flight. Again, the trim control > helped greatly. I did not feel comfortable trying any stalls but I > did have a good > idea of the stall speed from the first test flight. The big problem > now was > how do I land this very sensitive plane when I was used to the yoke of > a 152. The answer is not very smooth and not very pretty. It was inevitable > that I would end up over correcting on final. I was able to enter > final at > 80 mph but I was all over the place. The problem was that I kept > telling myself "fly the plane" when I should have let it fly itself. > All of my input was too much. Well, I made the runway and I made it > to a full stop and I didn't have a heart attack but it was close. As > I was rolling out one > of the locals who was holding short, watching my landing, got on the > radio and asked if it was my first flight. After my affirmative reply > all he said > was "It looks beautiful". I got out and kissed the ground. > > Every flight since then has been much better and I got a chance to > grease one right in front of my CFI. Always a good thing to do. Here > is some data: > > Dry weight is 598 lb > Engine is VW 1700cc > Carb is Ellison EFS-2 > Prop is a Sterba 52 x 42 > Header tank only - 16 gal > Fuel consumption is 3 to 3.5 gal per hr > Climb is 700 fpm at 80 mph > Max speed is 130 mph @ 3600 rpm > Cruse is 115 mph @ 3200 rpm > Landing approach @ 80 mph > Numbers @ 70 mph > Touch @ 60 or below > No flaps or speed brake and not much float. > > Since it has been a very cold winter here in Vermont I have spent some time > putting on wheel pants and doing misc. work as I wait for some good > flying days. I hope to fly off the test hours this spring and by then > I will really know more about the performance. I also hope to build a > larger displacement VW and get some more speed out of her. Turbulence > really moves > this plane around a lot because it is so light. I'm not sure how long > a period of time I could spend going fast and getting thrown around so > much but on a smooth day I can see this plane going fast! > > I hope this has been helpful to those low time pilots trying to make > some decisions on their projects and maybe it will help the high time > pilots prepare for their first flights. > > Regards, > > Mike Geoghegan > > Moretown Vermont > > N47MG > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: > 10/09/2005 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 24377 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 10/09/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:30:42 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006e01c5b83d$6df473e0$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 vell done mark as you infer better to take off perhaps with both ignitions on up to a decent altitde and be prepared to switch onto secoundary at the slightest hiccup or keep both running all the time - p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Corvaircraft" ; "KR Net" Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 3:09 AM Subject: KR> Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon Yes, that is correct. I too have joined the elite group of knowing what a dead engine in flight sounds like. There is no sound and man is that one quiet cockpit when the engine ceases to sing. Yesterday as I was leaving the KR Gathering out of Mt. Vernon, Illinois, my engine hic-upped. I really did not think much of it thinking maybe an air bubble in the fuel line. Well I continued to climb and was at 2300' ASL when all of a sudden things got real quiet. I was not too far away from the airport so I executed a 180° and set up a glide to MVN runway 23 and announced that 6MJ had turned final. Next, flipped the toggle switch to my back up secondary ignition and hit the starter. The engine fired right up and we started climbing. Instead of continuing to land, I decided to keep climbing and circling. After three circles and altitude gained, I determined the problem was strictly electrical and not the engine. I tested the main ignition again and again the engine died but only for a half second as I immediately went back to secondary ignition. Probably not the wisest decision but I decided to head on to my first stop at Pontiac, Illinois which was 149 miles away. I was never out of gliding distance from an airport and made the leg there with no further problems. The haze was terrible and from 15 miles out I began calling my position to PNT traffic. I noticed there were several planes in the area and some calling taxi back on the runway. At five miles out I still could just barely see the airport. As I entered downwind for PNT runway 24, I noticed four planes in the holding area waiting for my arrival. On one mile final, I noticed there were at least two hundred folks sitting around the tarmac watching the runway. Needless to say, I made the worst landing I have ever made in my KR. I bounced two, maybe three times and then swerved back an forth on the runway. This was the one day out of the year they have their local fly-in and I dropped in right in the middle of it. Anyway, I pulled my cowl look for the problem and found that the condenser wire had broken at the coil. A pair of wire strippers and a wrench and two minutes later the problem was fixed. The only problem now was that I had drawn a crowd of pilots and spectators and the questions about the plane and engine started flying. An hour later, I managed to continue my journey which was eventless the rest of the way home. Moral of the story is: Redundancy will save your bacon. Don't fly without it. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 10/09/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:01:35 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: KR> over voltage pain To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d301c5b841$beddf750$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" been thinking about some kind of overvoltage protection as i have had heard of numerous problems of having a regulator go down taking out ign units radios computers not to mention other ancillaries feel these realy do need protection and some of these volt meters lie to us too underreading by 2 volts on some so check yours anyone got any good circuits there is one posted on the yahoo thruster support group which ian lookoing into and some means of turing off the alternator too p -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 10/09/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:15:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain To: Message-ID: <432698C0.000001.03340@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Are you talking about wiring a circuit breaker into your system??? See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- been thinking about some kind of overvoltage protection ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:50:49 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Two Gatherings To: Message-ID: <4326A0F9.000005.03340@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have to save all my pennies and vacation time, just to make one gathering. At least, with one, I know that all the people and planes that can make it to a gathering, will be at that one event. If there were two, I would miss all the people and planes who went to the other one. Putting on a Gathering is no small task and going to one also takes a lot of commitment. If people want to get together more often, just let everyone know where and when, and those who can make it, will. A decision has to be made here, and whatever it is, is not going to make everyone happy. But what Steve Glover just went through without killing himself or damaging his airplane, no one should have to go through. A lesser pilot would not have survived it. We have already lost too many planes to bad weather at gathering time. I was close to not surviving the trip back from Covington, the year the Long EZ was lost, returning from their gathering at Rough River. We need to do something to better the odds of having good weather. You cannot predict the weather, but there are certain things that you do know about it. If you want KRs to show up, all you need is good weather. This is not Oshkosh nor is it Sun N Fun or any of the other BIG commercialized events and I certainly hope that it does not become such an event. This is a family that tries to get together once a year, let's keep it that way. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:56:30 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date OR PLACE???? To: Message-ID: <4326A24E.000007.03340@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The only way that you can get the location of the gathering moved to another place is to come to the gathering and offer to host it. So there is no point in rambling on about having it here or there. Now, you may never get it moved, because apparently, there no longer is a restriction on how many times we have it at the same place, consecutively. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: Robert L. Stone Date: 09/12/05 23:57:02 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date Rick, You are right about the president being at his ranch from time to time however this is not a problem. All one has to do is follow published procedures and you can go anywhere within P49 except the last ten miles from the ranch. File a flight plan, get a transponder code from Gray Approach Control and be squawking the entire time you are in the air and in the 30 mile circle, and finally be in radio contact with Gray or Waco until you get within 2 miles of the airport in P49 where you intend to land. They will then instruct you to go to the airport frequency and make your calls. In the event you are intercepted by one of the patrolling F-16's just go to 121.5 and follow the F-16's pilot instructions. I have made trips from Skylark Field in Killeen to Temple when the president was at his ranch and never had any problem what-so-ever. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Human" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date > Only problem with Killeen is that it is usually affected by GB's > schedule - > His ranch is near and when he's there it become a no fly zone - do you > know > the procedure when F-16's appear off your wing? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L. Stone" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date > > >> Dear Netheads, >> After reading many posts about the just passed get together and >> understanding how much you guys look florward to seeing each other >> and >> exchanging ideas, etc why not have two gatherings during the year. >> Spring >> time just as it starts to warm up but is not real hot yet and Fall >> just >> before it is too cold. Also, have your get together in the most >> central >> part of the country. The airport here in Killeen, Texas (Skylark >> field) >> would be a perfect place since the new Regional Airport was opened >> there > is >> very little activity at Skylark Field. There is also plenty of space >> to >> park KR aircraft. >> Fuel is also cheaper there than any other airport in this area that I >> know >> of. >> >> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx >> rstone4@hot.rr.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ed Janssen" >> To: "KRnet" >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 2:08 PM >> Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date >> >> >> >A couple of thoughts when considering dates. Early Spring usually >> >brings >> > some pretty stiff winds here in central IL. Also, in late October, >> > it >> > starts getting dark pretty early in the evening - 5:00 or so after >> > the >> > time >> > change. Either the last week in Sept. or the first week in October > would >> > be >> > my choice. >> > >> > Ed >> > >> > Ed Janssen >> > mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Mark Jones" >> > To: "KRnet" >> > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:00 PM >> > Subject: RE: KR> Gathering Date >> > >> > >> >> I too agree with Dan that Sept should be eliminated. Why have we >> >> not >> >> spoken of early Spring when everyone is excited about good flying >> >> weather after long dreary winter. Some of the best flying weather >> >> I > have >> >> experienced has been early Spring. Just a thought. Let's all chip >> >> in >> >> their ideas and see what the consensus is. >> >> Mark Jones (N886MJ) >> >> Wales, WI >> >> Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj >> >> Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net >mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net">krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On >> >> Behalf Of Dan Heath >> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:46 AM >> >> To: krnet@mylist.net >> >> Subject: KR> Gathering Date >> >> >> >> >> >> I believe that better weather is available during the month of >> >> October >> >> and >> >> over the years have heard many comments about the poor weather >> >> conditions >> >> during the month of September. I have now flown to 4 gatherings >> >> and >> >> this >> >> was the first time that I was able to go to and from the gathering >> >> without >> >> incident. However, it was not without great concern as we had just >> >> had >> >> the >> >> worst hurricane in my lifetime and were being threatened by >> >> another >> >> one >> >> that >> >> is still sitting off the coast. We had to check often each day to >> >> be >> >> sure >> >> that we would be able to get back home and never knew if we were >> >> going >> >> be >> >> able to stay for the duration of the gathering. >> >> >> >> I do not understand how it can possibly be the general consensus >> >> that > we >> >> continue to have this event during one of the worst times of the >> >> year >> >> for >> >> flying. I have always thought that this should be open for debate >> >> but >> >> it >> >> has always been dictated and that is something I also do not > understand. >> >> >> >> >> >> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >> >> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics >> >> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time >> >> for >> >> building >> >> has expired. >> >> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> General consensus was to hold the 2006 Gathering in late >> >> September, >> >> probably the last weekend, but I'll wait to get input from anyone >> >> interested in e-mailing me at my e-mail address above with their >> >> input. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >> >> KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >> >> KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > Search the KRnet Archives at >> > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:22:21 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00f601c5b84d$06927020$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 no dan a little circuit that cuts back voltaqge , cos the se regulators will at some time fail and when they do if you are not quick in that cockpit ...... and that is if you have someway of shutting down the alternator otherwise it can cook battery and some of other stuff i have a circuit just trying to figure a way of posting it on here p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain > Are you talking about wiring a circuit breaker into your system??? > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > -------Original Message------- > > been thinking about some kind of overvoltage protection > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: > 10/09/2005 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 24377 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 10/09/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:55:09 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain To: Message-ID: <4326B00D.00000B.03340@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Send it to me and I will post it for you on KRBuilder See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: phil brookman Date: 09/13/05 06:22:53 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain no dan a little circuit that cuts back voltaqge , cos the se regulators will at some time fail and when they do if you are not quick in that cockpit ...... and that is if you have someway of shutting down the alternator otherwise it can cook battery and some of other stuff i have a circuit just trying to figure a way of posting it on here p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain > Are you talking about wiring a circuit breaker into your system??? > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > -------Original Message------- > > been thinking about some kind of overvoltage protection > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: > 10/09/2005 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 24377 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 10/09/2005 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:58:33 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <014101c5b852$15105c70$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 your e mail dan please tosend p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain > Send it to me and I will post it for you on KRBuilder > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a > time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > -------Original Message------- > > From: phil brookman > Date: 09/13/05 06:22:53 > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain > > no dan > a little circuit that cuts back voltaqge , cos the se regulators will > at some time fail and when they do if you are not quick in that > cockpit ...... and that is if you have someway of shutting down the > alternator otherwise it > can cook battery > and some of other stuff > i have a circuit just trying to figure a way of posting it on here p > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain > > > > Are you talking about wiring a circuit breaker into your system??? > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > > > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > > has expired. > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > been thinking about some kind of overvoltage protection > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 10/09/2005 > > > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has > removed 24377 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this > message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: > 10/09/2005 > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: > 10/09/2005 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 24377 spam emails to date. 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