From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 364 Date: 9/14/2005 9:00:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: KR2 on eBay (Dan Walker) 2. RE: Back in Cali (Steve Glover) 3. R?f. : RE: R?f. : KR> RE: Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon - CORRECTION (Serge VIDAL) 4. Re: Glider Check ride (Phil Matheson) 5. Re: Glider Check ride (Phil Matheson) 6. Re: Re: KR> Work Bench (Scott William) 7. Re: Gathering Date OR PLACE???? (Lee Van Dyke) 8. Re: Re: KR> Work Bench (patrusso) 9. Re: email addresses (Deb Unternaehrer) 10. Re: over voltage pain (phil brookman) 11. Fw: KR> KR2 on eBay (Deb Unternaehrer) 12. FW: new web pages (Jack Cooper) 13. KR2 on eBay (larry flesner) 14. RE: Gathering Report (Brian Kraut) 15. Jack Coopers rear starter (Bob Glidden) 16. Re: Jack Coopers rear starter (Mark Jones) 17. Re: KR Elevator Mass balance (Phil Matheson) 18. Re: Re: KR Elevator Mass balance (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Walker Subject: Re: KR> KR2 on eBay To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050914041220.67184.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The KR on ebay is mine. I've been debating whether or not I should sell it but it just seems to be sitting in the hanger now that I bought a cherokee 140 and to be honest I'm a little nervous to test fly it. I've never been in a KR before and I wanted to get to MVN this year just for that reason but do to a new job I wasn't able to leave work even on saturday. I work 2:00pm to 10:00pm so its tough. I figured that by the time I got there on Sunday everyone would be leaving. Sorry for making excuses but thats the truth. I bought it as a project while I was in the Air Force and have been working on it for a few years. I have it pretty much ready to fly I have an oil leak I can't seem to cure up by the front of the engine case and the cowling could use some work to make it fit nicer and smoother but other than that she's ready to be in the air. If anyone is interested you can email at usafwalker2000@yahoo.com Thanks, Dan Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff wrote: If anyone is interested there's a KR2 listed on eBay at $7000 right now and the reserve has been met. It's located in Morris, Illinois. Looks like it's ready to fly. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:33:10 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> Back in Cali To: Cc: KR Net Message-ID: <000301c5b8ed$ce5f01e0$9865fea9@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Dean. That is a really nice thing to say and it means a lot to me. I really enjoy the Gatherings, Corvair College, etc, where I can meet and hang out with other KR builders/ fliers. It is people like you that I enjoy meeting the most. Your passion and drive for building your KR says a lot about you. The quality of your workmanship was evident when I saw the care taken in the assembly of your Corvair engine at the Corvair College in November. I am looking forward to the day I can fly your wing during a Gathering in your new KR. Warmest Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dean Cooper Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:32 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Back in Cali Steve wrote: >> I FINALLY made it back at about 6:45 PM tonight. Steve, I just want to say thanks for bringing your great looking KR all the way from Cali to motivate us builders. While it's nice to see other builders and get advise, it's the KR Pilots who bring their KR's that make the Gathering. I want to personally thank you (longest distance winner) and the rest of the KR Pilots who dodged weather to get to the gathering to show them off. Thanks! I hope to join you some day soon! Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL USA Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR Project at http://www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:16:39 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : RE: R?f. : KR> RE: Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon - CORRECTION To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, as a former reliability expert, I can give you the text book answer: - Reliability is risk management; - The universally accepted method of managing that risk is what gives birth to aircraft safety standards; - The authorities (like ICAO) are supposed to define what is your acceptable level of risk for the activity (roughly, basically, deaths per X flight hours). - At designer level, you then find what is likely to cause these risks, and define "unwanted events" (example: power loss, flight controls failure, etc.) - If failure of one component that is likely to cause an unwanted event is so unlikely that it is less than the acceptable risk level, then you don't have to do anything about it. You assess that by estimating the probability of failure (occurrence) and its consequences (severity), to define the level of CRITICITY. A part can be non critical because it is so unlikely to fail, or because .. If it is not the case, then you have to improve the reliability. You have many ways to do that, (can be better technology, better part design, monitoring, maintenance, you name it.). Of course, one method is redundancy. It is seldom the correct answer, but it is generally the easiest, and that's why it is so popular in aviation. Now, this is the rule for expensive designs (airliners, jet fighters, nuclear power plants, space shuttles or whatever). In general aviation, the trouble is it is not affordable to calculate exactly all the risks attached to all the parts and equipment. So, we apply a rule of thumb, which is: no single failure may lead to an unwanted event. That is what you do with your ignition or fuel system. But we also apply criticity, through return of experience of 100 years of designing and flying. We know that single engine is an acceptable solution, so we don't make the engine redundant. But we make the engine's most critical components redundant. The ignition, but not the carb... Likewise, we know that control cables are unlikely to fail, provided you rig them properly and inspect them regularly, so we don't make them redundant either. In my opinion, the statistics of engine failure in aviation are an absolute shame, and the ignition is the main culprit. So, I go for a better technology, and ultimately, as soon as it will become practical, I will go for an engine technology without ignition: the Diesel engine. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Mark Jones" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-13 19:33 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-13 19:37 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: Réf. : KR> RE: Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon - CORRECTION I have never said it was a better system and do not advocate that it is. It was my personal decision to use a points distributor with two sets of independent points for it's simplicity and reliability. Now mind you, a wire broke not the distributor system. Mags have been proven too, so it is your choice. I also personally think that anyone who flies without redundant systems is asking to have Daisy's growing over them. Every critical electrical and fuel system in my plane is redundant. Why would you not have back up systems? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Serge VIDAL Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:11 PM To: KRnet Subject: Réf. : KR> RE: Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon - CORRECTION I remember having been flamed out once when I expressed my lack of confidence in the magnetos, and stated that my system consisted of two totally independent solid state ignition systems. The question was: "if your system is so much better than the good o'l magnetos, then why ya making it redundant?" Originally, I decided for redundancy because I wanted to make the certification people happy, but thinking of it, redundancy is also an answer to real life problems in aviation: bad luck, and failure to notice trouble in the making. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Mark Jones" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-13 17:00 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-13 16:56 Pour : "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR Net (E-mail)" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> RE: Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon - CORRECTION John, You are absolutely correct. What am I thinking and I am surprised my hand was not called on this sooner. The wire that actually broke was the coil primary circuit wire to the points. It broke where it connects to the post on the coil and not the condenser wire. My mistake in describing the problem. Regardless, dual ignition ran independently of each other is the way to go. If you were to run them both together and one failed, you would never know it and then later on if the other one failed you would be without a back up. When ran independently, they can each be tested prior to flight and you will know both are working. Sorry for the mix up in my analysis report and thanks for opening my eyes. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: corvaircraft-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:corvaircraft-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of John Brannen Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:13 AM To: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft Subject: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon Mark, Congrats on getting her down safely. One question though. If it was the condenser wire, how do you have it connected? Every condenser install I have seen would only result in the points burning faster if you lost the condenser. I would have guessed you would get errant firing before complete ignition loss. John B. Mark Jones wrote: I pulled my cowl look for the problem and found that the condenser wire had broken at the coil. A pair of wire strippers and a wrench and two minutes later the problem was fixed. _________________________________________________________ search the CorvAircraft archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from CorvAircraft, send a message to CorvAircraft-leave@mylist.net Other CorvAircraft list info is at http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:47:06 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Glider Check ride To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c5b912$697878e0$d8a4443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Orma. Glad to see you are OK. Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:47:06 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Glider Check ride To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a101c5b913$2258f6a0$d8a4443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Orma. Glad to see you are OK. Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: Re: KR> Work Bench To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050914120515.16748.qmail@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I got the pics at the bottom.....I was wondering what was holding those blocks. I was thinking maybe screws like some of the others i have seen. So I can use my brad nailer for something...I feel better now. :-) So if I am to understand correctly, you pressed the blocks against the corner gussets and nailed them down while maintaining a reasonable amont of pressure? Also, one picture shows the complete table covered in plastic, to keep the glue from sticking to the table. I heard people use wax papaer...which is better in your opinion? thanks for your input Scott --- Steven Phillabaum wrote: > Scott Wrote: > > Now if I can only learn not to build an airplane > with > > a brad nailer..... > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= > I used the finish nail gun to hold 3/4" by 3/4" > blocks to the table. The 3/4" by 3/4" blocks held > pressure on the gussets blocks for the fuselage > sides. I removed the pressure blocks and was able to > reuse them for the other side. GUESS I NEED TO GET > MY SITE UP AND RUNNING. In other words If you can > build quality cabinets then your woodwork for the > airplane will be impressive as well. > Did you get my picture? > > Steven Phillabaum > KR2S; 5048; corvair; > Auburn, Alabama > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:05:17 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date OR PLACE???? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001c01c5b93d$cf2acf00$7201a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Group, I have waited to post my opinion for this very reson. Mississippi looked to be a new place for a gathering, but it didn't look to be a better place, nor did it need to be a better place. I think the Gathering needs to be in a place that is good for all people. ie centrally located, good hotels, food, camping, and meeting rooms/area. Thank goodness for the terminal this year with the A/C. I did not make my disission for next years Gathering on the presentations, I had 2 locations offered and I voted for the best one. In my case that was Mt. Vernon. I have only been to one location so far, so I don't have a lot to go off of. I hope this location will help the Gathering grow and get better. My vote is for later, first of Oct somewhere. And one gathering a year. With Sun n Fun, Oshkosh and local stuff that should be enough. I hope there are no bad feelings about the location and how Mt Vernon was brought into the loop again. Lets just build and fly and have a GREAT time........ Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: KR> Gathering Date OR PLACE???? > Now, you may never get it > >moved, because apparently, there no longer is a restriction on how > >many times we have it at the same place, consecutively. Daniel R. > >Heath > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > To my knowledge there has never been a "restriction" on how many years > the Gathering took place in any one location. It has always been > dependent on who wants to host it and and where the attendees vote to > go next. The "two year" number came about more from host "burnout" > than anything else. There have been times in the past that the > Gathering has changed locations on an annual basis. > > In my case, two years was enough for me also. The airport manager at > Mt.Vernon and supporting organizations invited us to return and have > agreed to lend their support. I agreed to help them out if the > attendees voted to return. I expect to hand over most of the detail > work to them and only continue in an advisory role and maintain the > final approval on any of the planning and, of course, maintain control > of our funds. I suppose I felt some small obligation to continue to > host the Gathering at Mt.Vernon, if the attendees voted to return, as > a repayment for the 14 prior years I attended as a visitor and took > advantage of the work of others. > > There will be a few small changes to the Gathering next year at > Mt.Vernon such as less room in the terminal commons area and the > awards banquet off site as at other locations. On the plus side, > Chris Collins, the airport manager and former KR project owner and > Gathering attendee, hopes to improve the facilities for those wanting > to camp. > > In the end, the Gathering is for the attendees. In order to be > successful, it will have to take place at a location and time that > encourages the greatest attendance of KRs and visitors. Who better to > know than those attending. > > I hope everyone left "pumped up" and got the sawdust flying on their > projects as soon as they got home and I look forward to seeing > everyone again next year. The many comments I heard from this years > attendees make me think we had another successful Gathering. How many > more days, Mark Jones? > > Thanks again to everyone that made it possible. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:10:14 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: Re: KR> Work Bench To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c5b957$8e304ab0$5da772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Nix on the brad nailer! Put yours gussets in place. Have a bunch of tongue depressers on hand, (cut a bunch up from any scrap wood), hold the gusset in place by clamping (clothes pin type spring clamp) the depresser against gusset and the longeron or upright. You will find these clamps at many DOLLAR STORES at a buck or less apiece. It is fast, easy and does not chew up the table. Of course you will have placed a 4" square piece of wax paper under this section. Pat ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:11:14 -0500 From: "Deb Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: KR> email addresses To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d301c5b95b$ce6dec00$cd9e690c@bob> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 When you hit the reply button ,,,you get KRnet....but if you right click on the email header, then properties the actural sender will appear. You can't cut and past it, but if you hit "details" you will find one in the routing that allows you to cut and past. Sure you knew that ,, but.. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: KR> email addresses > OK guys...you're killin' me here. Is it really that difficult to ascertain > somebody's email address? Can you not click on "reply" and get a > return email that displays the guy's email address in blue, and then > cut and paste > it into the TO: box and be done with it? Is it that difficult? Am I > missing something here? I can see how you AOL guys can't figure it > out, because I'm sure AOL hides such useless information as somebody's > return address, but if you're using Outlook Express or any other email > system that's worth a dime, it should not take more than two seconds > to get somebody's email address! Sometimes I have to go as far as > hitting "reply to" and then right clicking on name in the "TO:" box > and then cutting and pasting the address, but I just don't get why > anybody would have to ask for > anybody else's email address around here. If your email system won't > tell you somebody's email address that just emailed you, you need to > find something better. Outlook Express comes free with Windows, so I > just don't > get it... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:52:54 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> over voltage pain To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ee01c5b965$e5d0d0b0$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 10/09/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:41:18 -0500 From: "Deb Unternaehrer" Subject: Fw: KR> KR2 on eBay To: Message-ID: <00da01c5b95c$301772a0$cd9e690c@bob> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Unternaehrer" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR2 on eBay > I think this is one of those "problem childs" according to the FAA. > You can't register it Exp, amateur built, because you can't prove you > built it (51% rule) and it stalls to fast to meet Sport Pilot rules. > Bob U. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: KR> KR2 on eBay > > > > oops, forgot to put the item number down. 4574915835 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" > > To: "KRnet" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:30 PM > > Subject: KR> KR2 on eBay > > > > > > > If anyone is interested there's a KR2 listed on eBay at $7000 > > > right now > > > and > > > the reserve has been met. It's located in Morris, Illinois. Looks > > > like it's ready to fly. > > > > > > Bud Midkiff > > > Lynnwood, WA > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 > > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:56:58 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> FW: new web pages To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-22005931423565862@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have just posted two new pages to my website. 1. 2005 KR gathering http://jackandsandycooper.com/2005gathering.html 2. Latest update, 2 recent pictures to show how my KR looks as of 09/07/05. http://jackandsandycooper.com/update.html Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:40:33 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> KR2 on eBay To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050914194033.00830cd0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> I think this is one of those "problem childs" according to the FAA. >> You can't register it Exp, amateur built, because you can't prove you >> built it (51% rule) and it stalls to fast to meet Sport Pilot rules. >> Bob U. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If you are referring to the kr for sale on e-bay, the buyer should be able to register it Exper, amateur built, as you can't buy a factory built KR. The buyer should obtain proof from the seller showing it was amateur built, photos, receipts, etc. If you can't show proof that YOU are the builder then you can't apply for the mechanics license for that KR and will have to find an A&P to sign off the "annual condition inspection". I've heard of people trying to pass themselves off to the FAA as the builder and really got nailed to the wall for doing so. The buyer would still be able to do all his own maintenance throughout the year. And you're right, it probably won't qualify to be flown with a Sport Pilot license. I'm sure more knowledgable netters could speak to this situation. How about it Jeff Scott? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:26:47 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Gathering Report To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excuse me if I ramble on, but I am in San Diego for work with nothing better to do right now. I got back home Saturday to Jacksonville from another great gathering. Many thanks to Larry again for a great job. Also thanks to Bob Glidden for his hospitality and work as the camp master. The M1 was great to fly. I have about 80 hours on it now and the odometer on my GPS is showing that I have flown it nearly 10,000 miles. I did most of my flying to the gathering and back at 9,500' and 145 knots. I left Thursday while the outer bands of Ophelia were still over Jacksonville. I never expected to make it out, but I needed to do some work on the plane and I had everything packed just in case. I got to the airport in the morning and worked for a few hours before I had all the must finish items done. There were a few other minor things I wanted to work on when I saw a small blue hole in the overcast layer so I put it all back together and jumped in. Winds were something like 17 and gusting to 24. I got up and found that there was a broken layer about 1,500', one around 2,000', and a third around 2,700'. The holes were big enough that I could get on top and still stay legal. The tops of the clouds were 4,500' and it was perfectly smooth and clear above there. I seem to be having bad luck with fuel lately. I have 15 gallons and that gets me 2 hours and 20 minutes. On the way there I was going to land and get fuel on an airport that was on the sectional, but I got over the airport and saw that it was closed down with big yellow Xs on the runway. Instead of going on to the next airport that was a little further I diverted to another closer airport. I got there and found one hangar and no services or people at all. I have read too many accident reports where people pass an airport and continue on to a crash so I landed there. Luckilly, there were two people walking near there that gave me a ride to the nearest gas station 15 miles away to get a can of 93 octane. On the way home I decided to make an early fuel stop at a fairly good sized airport, but nobody was home. It had a good sized aviation college, but no one there on the weekends. Since I stopped early I was able to take back off and fly to another airport 15 miles away that had a self serve pump. Of course all of these airports were in the middle of nowhere with no cell phone coverage. Anyway, I made it home the 700 and something miles in about 5 hours and can't wait until next year. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:28:22 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: KR> Jack Coopers rear starter To: "KRnet" , "corvaircraft" Message-ID: <005501c5b994$c36212d0$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" O.K. netters and vairheads Before this gets out of hand I just got a email in response to the email I replied to about Jack Coopers Airplane looking better without the awful rear starter on it.It was sent as a joke to Jack there is nothing wrong with the rear starter,I bought Jacks set up from him and yes I'm going to use it...So it was not a slam against the rear starter set up. Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:36:54 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Jack Coopers rear starter To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005201c5b995$f47fa980$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Instigator!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Glidden" To: "KRnet" ; "corvaircraft" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: KR> Jack Coopers rear starter > O.K. netters and vairheads > Before this gets out of hand I just got a email in response to the > email I replied to about Jack Coopers Airplane looking better without the awful rear starter on it.It was sent as a joke to Jack there is nothing wrong with the rear starter,I bought Jacks set up from him and yes I'm going to use it...So it was not a slam against the rear starter set up. > > Bob Glidden > Eminence,Indiana > KR2S N181FW (building) > Corvair 110 > glidden@ccrtc.com > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:56:51 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: KR> Re: KR Elevator Mass balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <014a01c5b998$c543a740$21a8443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark L Have you connected your mass balance yet.( I seem to rember you did not use it for your early flights) The reason I ask is That my balance id tailered on yours and wanted to know if your using it and does it work OK?? or do I need to remove it all together ?? Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:03:19 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR Elevator Mass balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <03c301c5b999$ab3e7860$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Phil Matheson wrote: > Have you connected your mass balance yet.( I seem to rember you did > not use > it for your early flights) I reconnected it for my first flight! Troy didn't want it, because it was just another uncertainty that he didn't need, but I'm not too worried about it. Somebody at the Gathering told me how they'd stiffened it up with another support, and that would be better, but for now I'm going with what I've got, and it works fine... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 364 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================