From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 373 Date: 9/20/2005 9:00:27 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nose Gear question (Steve Bray) 2. tailwheel (James I. Coleman) 3. R?f. : Re: KR> Nose Gear question (Serge VIDAL) 4. Re: Nose Gear question (jeffyork40@qx.net) 5. RE: Nose Gear question (Mark Jones) 6. Re: Nose Gear question (Jeff Scott) 7. tailwheels (Jack Cooper) 8. fibreglass geer leg material. (harold woods) 9. KR2S Mods (Steven Youschak) 10. Fw: KR> E-mail (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 11. RE: Nose Gear question (Brian Kraut) 12. RE: Nose Gear question (Steve Bray) 13. RE: Nose Gear question (Brian Kraut) 14. Re: Nose Gear question (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:02:36 -0500 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mark I understand the way yiur wife sees it and would not agrue. Our kids are older. I fly the 172 off grass and it makes a lot of diffrence if I get the nosewhill out of the grass early,drag. Ifact the first time I flew the VP out of that field I held the tailwheel down and it wouldn't fly. That was my first grass landing in the VP and I bent the gear on the landing. Learnd a lot that day. Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Mark Jones" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:27:10 -0500 > >Steve, >I have no experience yet with flying a nose wheel on or off grass so I >can not answer that question. I have taxied on grass with no problem. I >think that if you treat it like a soft field take off and landing there >would be no problems. Especially on a dry hard turf. Wet and soggy >should be avoided. My wife has only flown with me four times and that >was years ago before any children came into the picture. Now she says >she does not want to fly together because if something were to happen, >she does not want our children >to be parentless. Funny thing is that we fly commercial together often. >Tail >wheel or nose wheel, both will make your adrenaline pump. I have flown in >one tail dragger KR and that was with Marty Roberts. It was not the plane >that made my adrenaline pump but the way he flew the plane with me in >it.... >high speed dive to a 219 mph indicated high speed pass down MVN runway at >the 2004 Gathering. That was a rush!!!! > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Bray" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:10 PM >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > Mark > > I agree with you 100%. I am NOT a KR pilot, as yet. Are Noss wheel > > KR's harder to deal with on grass? I was tryin to enlighten the > > other gut to why taildragger pilots act >like > > they do. > > I'm still trying to decide which way to go, I have a nose wheel and > > I >will > > be flyin from a hard surface. > > There is just sometimes more adrenalin pumped with a tailwheer. Good > > job on your return trip, cool head and exactly the way I hope I >would > > have done it. And congrats on your passenger, you've started > > something! Something that may go on down the line. When you gonna > > fly your wife? After all she let her car set outside all >that > > time, she deserves a ride. > > Steve Bray > > Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Jones" > > >Reply-To: KRnet > > >To: "KRnet" > > >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:59:51 -0500 > > > > > >Steve, > > >For the record, first let me tell you that I have tail dragger time >logged > > >in my log book. I have many hours in the following....J3 Cub, > > >Citabria, Champ, C-180 and Taylorcraft. So, I guess in reality, I > > >am a tail >dragger > > >pilot. Right? I chose nose gear for my KR because I like the looks > > >of >the > > >plane on Tri Gear. It looks larger on Tri Gear than as a tail > > >dragger >and > > >it > > >is much less prone to damage incurred by ground loops. All in all, > > >the >tri > > >gear KR is safer on landing, easier to control and more forgiving. > > >In >the > > >air, they fly the same and look the same except for the drag > > >incurred >by > > >the > > >nose gear. All of this ribbing each other is in pure fun because > > >all >KR's > > >are beautiful planes and ALL KR Pilots are highly skilled pilots or > > >you would not be flying a high performance KR. Keep smiling, keep > > >laughing >and > > >keep the ribbing coming because neither type of pilot is any better >than > > >the > > >other. Remember, it is a choice I made after having many hours as a >tail > > >dragger pilot. LOL :-) :-) :-) > > > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > >Wales, WI USA > > >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Steve Bray" > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:36 PM > > >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > If you flew a taildragger you would already know that. That was > > > > ment to be Jones and not James in my diatribe. You. You shold > > > > know a taildragger pilot cand land anything anywhere. > > > > > > > > Steve Bray > > > > Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Jones" > > > > >Reply-To: KRnet > > > > >To: "KRnet" > > > > >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:06:29 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >Does that mean it takes a better pilot to land a nose gear on > > > > >grass > > >than > > >a > > > > >taildragger pilot and a better pilot to land a taildragger on >asphalt > > >or > > > > >concrete than a nose wheel pilot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....we may be on > > > > >to something here... > > > > > > > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > > > >Wales, WI USA > > > > >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > > > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Brian Kraut" > > > > >To: "KRnet" > > > > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:57 PM > > > > >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is > > > > > > not >the > > >same > > > > >for > > > > > > everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have > > > > > > been > > >folded, > > > > > > especially on grass strips. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Kraut > > > > > > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > > > > > www.engalt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > > > > please see other KRnet info at > > > > > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > >Search the KRnet Archives at >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > > > >KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at > > > > >http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Search the KRnet Archives at >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > > > KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at > > > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >Search the KRnet Archives at > > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:07:36 -0600 From: "James I. Coleman" Subject: KR> tailwheel To: Message-ID: <000a01c5bda1$381ac530$28d6ffd8@Jim> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 I personally perfer tailwheel aircraft, I'm partial to them because I learned to fly in a Cessna 185. If you master a tailwheel aircraft you can fly anything. Thats my two cents worth. Jim Coleman kr-1 in progress ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:24:33 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Funny enough, I flew a taildragger this week-end (Robin DR221), made two nearly perfect landings on tar, followed by a very ugly one on the grass strip back at the base. As a KR2 pilot, I tend to overcontrol a lot on landing (quick and wide motions on the stick) while on grass, but not on tar. Go figure... Hey, one more training session to go, then I will be allowed to present to the exam, and if I pass, I will get a nice, European PPL to replace my expired South African one! Then I will HAVE to finish the KR2 to use that licence! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Barry Kruyssen" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-20 04:36 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-20 04:37 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Nose Gear question As tail dragger pilot, I prefer to land on grass, my worst landings are on ashpalt. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones To: KRnet Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question Does that mean it takes a better pilot to land a nose gear on grass than a taildragger pilot and a better pilot to land a taildragger on asphalt or concrete than a nose wheel pilot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....we may be on to something here... _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:38:22 -0400 From: Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003101c5bde8$a410bd70$6864a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK, I am confused, some say check to make sure I have 40 PSI in the nose wheel and you seem to be saying to decrease the tire pressure to reduce shimmy. Which is it? Jeff York KR-2 Flying N839BG Home page http//:web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 Email jeffyork40@qx.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrusso" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > Jeff > It may be a bit more than just "checking the tire pressure". It might mean > running much less pressure than is called for, sacrificing some tire > life....and you may find that acceptable. I know of two instance where > reducing tire pressure immediately eliminated shimmy. -Pat > ---- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > Thanks Bob, I am going to check tire pressure and the Diehl gear at > > the attach point. > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:46:15 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C44D2@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeff, My tires are rated for a max of 70 psi. Some folks think just because the rating says that then you should inflate to max pressure. That is not the case. Max pressure rating is for certain weights and the lighter the load the less the pressure. 40 PSI works for me but your results may vary. Try 40 PSI and see what happens the adjust accordingly. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of jeffyork40@qx.net Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:38 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question OK, I am confused, some say check to make sure I have 40 PSI in the nose wheel and you seem to be saying to decrease the tire pressure to reduce shimmy. Which is it? Jeff York KR-2 Flying N839BG Home page http//:web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 Email jeffyork40@qx.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrusso" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > Jeff > It may be a bit more than just "checking the tire pressure". It might mean > running much less pressure than is called for, sacrificing some tire > life....and you may find that acceptable. I know of two instance where > reducing tire pressure immediately eliminated shimmy. -Pat > ---- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > Thanks Bob, I am going to check tire pressure and the Diehl gear at > > the attach point. > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:06:45 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050920.070719.24994.502510@webmail33.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain It could be either. In a configuration like the Diehl nosegear, the most likely culprit is going to be the preload on the pivot joint at the nosewheel. There should be some side-to-side resistance to turning. The second thing is the pressure in the tire. Of course the tire is by far the easiest to check or change. Sometimes I get a shimmy in the tailwheel on my KR. It's easily adjusted out with the nut to preload the steering joint. FWIW, I've got about 4 times the tailwheel time that I have with nosewheels. It's simply a different set of skills. If you want to improve your piloting skills, learn and master tailwheels, which takes a lot more than the quick lesson and endorsement in the logbook. Which do I prefer to fly? It depends on the day and the mission of the flight. I own one of each. I find the tailwheel KR to be a whole lot more exciting to fly than my nosedragger Tomahawk. Usually that's a good thing. Sometimes, it's not. ;o) Jeff Scott -- wrote: OK, I am confused, some say check to make sure I have 40 PSI in the nose wheel and you seem to be saying to decrease the tire pressure to reduce shimmy. Which is it? Jeff York KR-2 Flying N839BG Home page http//:web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 Email jeffyork40@qx.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrusso" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > Jeff > It may be a bit more than just "checking the tire pressure". It might mean > running much less pressure than is called for, sacrificing some tire > life....and you may find that acceptable. I know of two instance where > reducing tire pressure immediately eliminated shimmy. -Pat > ---- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > Thanks Bob, I am going to check tire pressure and the Diehl gear at > > the attach point. > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:28:52 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> tailwheels To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-220059220162852406@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "If you want to improve your piloting skills, learn and master tailwheels." "If you master a tailwheel aircraft you can fly anything.." "A tail wheel aircraft has definite advantages over nose draggers." "We can do something that nosedraggers can't and are proud of it." Give me a break guys. Flying tailwheels is another set of skills like flying instruments, but if you never go into a cloud what good does it do you? Any CFI will tell you that you really learn to fly when you start teaching others to fly, so, to improve your skills why not become a CFI. To get a commercial ticket and instrument and multi engine rateing you will learn additional skills and become a better pilot. Why not get Commercial helicopter license with instrument radiating and become a instructor pilot in helicopters and an instrument examiner so that you can teach and evaluate other pilots skills. Why not learn close formation flying. Your answer probably is I don't need all that for the type of flying I do. Been there, done all that, but I don't need a tailwheel for the type of flying I do. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:59:39 -0400 From: "harold woods" Subject: KR> fibreglass geer leg material. To: Message-ID: <052201c5be04$b100bf50$0501a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Netters, Brian Kraut asked is there any advantage to using roving(fiberglass string) over unidirectional fiberglass cloth in the building of the gear leg. My only thought on this is that the roving method keeps all of the string straight and tight. If you can keep the fibers straight and tight using the cloth then do it. It is a matter of what you have at hand and using it advantageously. Regards Harold Woods Orillia ON Canada haroldwoods@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Youschak Subject: KR> KR2S Mods To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050920200630.33333.qmail@web30210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Can anyone tell me how well a "belly board" works on a KR2S and how difficult it is to install on a finished aircraft? In addition, how difficult a job it is to convert a taildragger to a tricycle gear? STEVEN YOUSCHAK ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:28:47 -0500 From: Subject: Fw: KR> E-mail To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002601c5be21$e74da1f0$7b485844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original This is a repeat request. I hope to get some positive replys this time. Thanks, Ray Goree raybeth123@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: KR> E-mail > Netters, > I am trying to locate Randy Smith of Ft. Worth, Tx. He has a hanger > (in > progress?) > at Hicks Field. The E-mail address I have does not work. A phone number > also > will be helpful. > Thanks, > > Ray Goree > > Arlington, Tx. > > raybeth123@sbcglobal.net > Ray Goree > 817-795-4779 > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:46:07 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I wasn't missing one. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steve Bray Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:32 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question Brian, Did you get your Corvair book back? Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Brian Kraut" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:57:58 -0400 > >This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not the same >for everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been >folded, especially on grass strips. > >Brian Kraut >Engineering Alternatives, Inc. >www.engalt.com > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:48:48 -0500 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sorry I though you left one on the table and it left. Steve Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Brian Kraut" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:46:07 -0400 > >I wasn't missing one. > >Brian Kraut >Engineering Alternatives, Inc. >www.engalt.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net >[mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of >Steve Bray >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:32 PM >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > >Brian, >Did you get your Corvair book back? > >Steve Bray >Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > >From: "Brian Kraut" > >Reply-To: KRnet > >To: "KRnet" > >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:57:58 -0400 > > > >This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not the > >same >for > >everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been > >folded, especially on grass strips. > > > >Brian Kraut > >Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > >www.engalt.com > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >Search the KRnet Archives at > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:26:29 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I don't think that nose wheels are necessarilly "harder" to deal with on grass. The differences are as follows: Tail wheel planes are more likely to ground loop than nose wheels on any surface. They are more likely to ground loop on a hard runway than grass, but can ground loop on either. As far as tailwheel planes go though, the KR is fairly tame on the ground. A tailwheel plane is much better on soft or wet unpaved runways. Nose wheels tend to dig in, especially at lower speeds when you have more weight on the nose wheel. Nose gear has been known to break off on unpaved runways that are very soft or not smooth. The KR nose gear is not the strongest and plenty of people have landed hard on the nose wheel or hit ruts and had them fold. I have seen many a spam can with a folded nose gear also. A tailwheel plane is lighter and faster than the equivalent nose wheel plane. A tailwheel plane can take off in a shorter distance than the same nose wheel plane, even if they weighed the same and had the same drag, especially on a grass strip. Most people do not realize this, but the reason is simple. On a tailwheel plane you start the takeoff roll with the stick forward and the tail comes up shortly after you start rolling. The stabilizer is acting as a wing while you are rolling down the runway and creating lift. A look at my last KR weight and ballance shows that with a full header tank and a 170 pound pilot that there was 53 pounds on the tailwheel. Therefore, while on the takeoff roll with the tail up the stab is generating 53 pounds of lift. That is 53 pounds that the wing is not having to lift, 53 pounds that is not being supported by the main gear, and less rolling drag on the wheels that is slowing your acceleration. In the same situation in a nosewheel plane you are pulling back on the stick to lower the tail and raise the nose. This means that your stabilizer is generating lift in the downward direction to raise the nose and that is probably 30 - 50 pounds more that the wing has to lift and more weight on the mains slowing you down while you roll down the runway. This tail down or tail up force is the same on both tail and nose wheel planes once you are off the ground, but while you are rolling the wing and gear sees a "heavier" and "draggier" nose wheel plane which increases your take off roll. Anyway, it still remains that what is better depends on where and how you fly and what your comfort level, weight, and speed thresholds are. One bit of advice I can give is that if you are planing on putting on a nose wheel just because you have never flown a taildragger that you should get a few hours in a tailwheel plane with an instructor first and see how you like it. Give it at least 2-3 hours though if you are doing terrible after the first hour. It is one of those things that most people are terrible at at first until you just get it. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steve Bray Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:10 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question Mark I agree with you 100%. I am NOT a KR pilot, as yet. Are Noss wheel KR's harder to deal with on grass? I was tryin to enlighten the other gut to why taildragger pilots act like they do. I'm still trying to decide which way to go, I have a nose wheel and I will be flyin from a hard surface. There is just sometimes more adrenalin pumped with a tailwheer. Good job on your return trip, cool head and exactly the way I hope I would have done it. And congrats on your passenger, you've started something! Something that may go on down the line. When you gonna fly your wife? After all she let her car set outside all that time, she deserves a ride. Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Mark Jones" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:59:51 -0500 > >Steve, >For the record, first let me tell you that I have tail dragger time >logged in my log book. I have many hours in the following....J3 Cub, >Citabria, Champ, C-180 and Taylorcraft. So, I guess in reality, I am a >tail dragger pilot. Right? I chose nose gear for my KR because I like >the looks of the plane on Tri Gear. It looks larger on Tri Gear than as >a tail dragger and it is much less prone to damage incurred by ground >loops. All in all, the tri gear KR is safer on landing, easier to >control and more forgiving. In the air, they fly the same and look the >same except for the drag incurred by the >nose gear. All of this ribbing each other is in pure fun because all KR's >are beautiful planes and ALL KR Pilots are highly skilled pilots or you >would not be flying a high performance KR. Keep smiling, keep laughing and >keep the ribbing coming because neither type of pilot is any better than >the >other. Remember, it is a choice I made after having many hours as a tail >dragger pilot. LOL :-) :-) :-) > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Bray" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > Mark > > If you flew a taildragger you would already know that. > > That was ment to be Jones and not James in my diatribe. You. You > > shold know a taildragger pilot cand land anything anywhere. > > > > Steve Bray > > Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Jones" > > >Reply-To: KRnet > > >To: "KRnet" > > >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:06:29 -0500 > > > > > >Does that mean it takes a better pilot to land a nose gear on grass >than >a > > >taildragger pilot and a better pilot to land a taildragger on > > >asphalt >or > > >concrete than a nose wheel pilot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....we may be on to > > >something here... > > > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > >Wales, WI USA > > >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Brian Kraut" > > >To: "KRnet" > > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:57 PM > > >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > > > > > > > This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not > > > > the >same > > >for > > > > everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been >folded, > > > > especially on grass strips. > > > > > > > > Brian Kraut > > > > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > > > www.engalt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Search the KRnet Archives at >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > > > KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at > > > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >Search the KRnet Archives at > > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:05:47 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001601c5be50$fb89cb60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The manual was recovered by Bob Glidden and returned to the rightful owner. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bray" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > Sorry > I though you left one on the table and it left. > Steve > > > > Steve Bray > Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > > >From: "Brian Kraut" > >Reply-To: KRnet > >To: "KRnet" > >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:46:07 -0400 > > > >I wasn't missing one. > > > >Brian Kraut > >Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > >www.engalt.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net > >[mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of > >Steve Bray > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:32 PM > >To: krnet@mylist.net > >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > > >Brian, > >Did you get your Corvair book back? > > > >Steve Bray > >Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian Kraut" > > >Reply-To: KRnet > > >To: "KRnet" > > >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:57:58 -0400 > > > > > >This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not the > > >same > >for > > >everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been > > >folded, especially on grass strips. > > > > > >Brian Kraut > > >Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > >www.engalt.com > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >Search the KRnet Archives at > > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >Search the KRnet Archives at > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >Search the KRnet Archives at > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 373 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================