From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 374 Date: 9/21/2005 9:00:19 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. KR landing gear (Joe Beyer) 2. Re: Widening the boat joy stisk control (Phil Matheson) 3. Re: KR landing gear (Robert L. Stone) 4. tricycle/tail dragger pilots (harold woods) 5. Landing gear (glidden@ccrtc.com) 6. Re: KR landing gear (hussein nagy) 7. Control cables (Serge VIDAL) 8. NOT Landing gear (Jeff Scott) 9. RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications (Mark Jones) 10. Re: RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications (Jeff Scott) 11. RE: RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications (Mark Jones) 12. Bellcranks (glidden@ccrtc.com) 13. Re: Nose Gear question (DENE COLLETT (SA)) 14. Re: Side sticks (Orma) 15. Re: RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications (Robert L. Stone) 16. Re: Re: Side sticks (M & C) 17. Re: Re: Side sticks (Orma) 18. Great morning flight (Lee Van Dyke) 19. Re: KR2S Mods (IFLYKRS@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:32:11 -0700 From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: KR> KR landing gear To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have flown both the tail wheel and nose wheel gear on my KR-2 and by far the nose wheel is the most practical, due to the increased visibility and superior ground handling characteristics. One bad thing with the nose wheel is that if you break it you won't take off, whereas with a bent tail wheel you can still take off if you had to. At the speed the KR flies the added drag isn't very great and with the added weight, (about 10 lbs in my case) it is in the right place, up in the nose. I designed my own landing gear and have had no problems with the mains but a few with the nose gear. I've used a hand truck wheel with the cheap bearings. They work well but after a few landings they will buzz. When that happens then it's time to upgrade to the more expensive ones. Last week the nose bearings went out so I replaced them for under ten dollars. They're rated for about 5mph. but if you keep them greased up real well they can go a lot faster. Tire pressure is at 22psi. with no shimmy problems. I use 4ea. bellview washers stacked so there is a preload on the spindle, which is made of 3/4" cold rolled steel. Recently my throttle was set too high and I had some trouble slowing down and that put some extra load on the nose wheel. With the bellview washers there are no shimmy problems, and operating on grass isn't too much different than asphalt. The main wheels are Azusa's with drum brakes and are good for steering and parking but not as good for stopping. I use the landing roll for that. I'm in the habit now of staying off of the brakes right after touch down. I think my next upgrade will be to install tapered roller bearings up in the nose gear. -Joe ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:13:24 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Widening the boat joy stisk control To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001b01c5be8c$b8efa860$e3a4443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mike Thank you Sounds very interesting, and thanks for the offer of photo's. Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:44:39 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> KR landing gear To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002d01c5bec3$60b85340$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Joe, I think when you do install roller bearings you will find that they last much longer than ball bearings because the weight and pressure is distributed more evenly on the bearing system Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Beyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 1:32 AM Subject: KR> KR landing gear >I have flown both the tail wheel and nose wheel gear on my KR-2 and by >far the nose wheel is the most practical, due to the increased >visibility and superior ground handling characteristics. One bad thing >with the nose wheel is that if you break it you won't take off, >whereas with a bent tail wheel you can still take off if you had to. >At the speed the KR flies the added drag isn't very great and with the >added weight, (about 10 lbs in my case) it is in the right place, up >in the nose. I designed my own landing gear and > have had no problems with the mains but a few with the nose gear. I've > used > a hand truck wheel with the cheap bearings. They work well but after a few > landings they will buzz. When that happens then it's time to upgrade to > the > more expensive ones. Last week the nose bearings went out so I replaced > them > for under ten dollars. They're rated for about 5mph. but if you keep them > greased up real well they can go a lot faster. Tire pressure is at 22psi. > with no shimmy problems. I use 4ea. bellview washers stacked so there is a > preload on the spindle, which is made of 3/4" cold rolled steel. Recently > my > throttle was set too high and I had some trouble slowing down and that put > some extra load on the nose wheel. With the bellview washers there are no > shimmy problems, and operating on grass isn't too much different than > asphalt. The main wheels are Azusa's with drum brakes and are good for > steering and parking but not as good for stopping. I use the landing roll > for that. I'm in the habit now of staying off of the brakes right after > touch down. I think my next upgrade will be to install tapered roller > bearings up in the nose gear. > > -Joe > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:01:39 -0400 From: "harold woods" Subject: KR> tricycle/tail dragger pilots To: Message-ID: <007101c5bec5$c1006330$0501a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Netter. I would love to follow Jack Coopers advice. He is right but the problem with most of us is $$$$$$$$$$$. Regards Harold Woods Orillia ON. Canada haroldwoods@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:02:03 -0500 From: glidden@ccrtc.com Subject: KR> Landing gear To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050921110243.SM00144@ccrtc.com> Content-Type: text/plain netters Did you know there are over 200 emails in the archieves related to landing gear for the KR,and several on which set up is better and why it is better.(in peoples opinion)And at the rate it is going there is about minimum of 10 new ones daily here lately.Is anybody else doing anything else we can talk about for a while.I'm working on getting the material together to start having my Mark Jone's replica wing tanks made and getting my engine ready to go together.But I'm spending most of my time learning how to land a tricycle gear airplane at this time.I would like to hear how people projects are going and not how one landing gear is better then others.Not trying to be rude,and I hope Mark L don't kick me off,but I have worn the word delete off my button.Well just wanted to post a quick note.Hope nobody is offended just think its time to get past the landing gear issues.Blue skys and have a wounderful KR day....Bob P.S. If you are offended please keep it off the list and email me off list at n181fw@gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:07:10 -0700 (PDT) From: hussein nagy Subject: Re: KR> KR landing gear To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050921160710.74431.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Joe, That is encouraging , I just bought a project KR2, it hasa retractable main gear and tail wheel. If you give assistance on how did you install and convert the KR2 to nose wheel. Please contact me and any one had expertise on that subject. Thank you in advance. Nagy Joe Beyer wrote: I have flown both the tail wheel and nose wheel gear on my KR-2 and by far the nose wheel is the most practical, due to the increased visibility and superior ground handling characteristics. One bad thing with the nose wheel is that if you break it you won't take off, whereas with a bent tail wheel you can still take off if you had to. At the speed the KR flies the added drag isn't very great and with the added weight, (about 10 lbs in my case) it is in the right place, up in the nose. I designed my own landing gear and have had no problems with the mains but a few with the nose gear. I've used a hand truck wheel with the cheap bearings. They work well but after a few landings they will buzz. When that happens then it's time to upgrade to the more expensive ones. Last week the nose bearings went out so I replaced them for under ten dollars. They're rated for about 5mph. but if you keep them greased up real well they can go a lot faster. Tire pressure is at 22psi. with no shimmy problems. I use 4ea. bellview washers stacked so there is a preload on the spindle, which is made of 3/4" cold rolled steel. Recently my throttle was set too high and I had some trouble slowing down and that put some extra load on the nose wheel. With the bellview washers there are no shimmy problems, and operating on grass isn't too much different than asphalt. The main wheels are Azusa's with drum brakes and are good for steering and parking but not as good for stopping. I use the landing roll for that. I'm in the habit now of staying off of the brakes right after touch down. I think my next upgrade will be to install tapered roller bearings up in the nose gear. -Joe _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html nagy hussein --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:23:49 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: KR> Control cables To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yep, that tail wheel versus nose wheel debate reminds me of that joke about the two priests (Catholic and protestant) arguing, until the Catholic says: "Enough said. Let's end this argument. After all, we both serve God. You, your way. Me, His way." I will soon start rigging my control cables, and I was wondering: how do you do it? Are you supposed to clamp the stick straight, and the aileron bellcrank in the neutral position, then rig one end of the cable to measure the length? Any advice? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:58:28 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: KR> NOT Landing gear To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050921.095838.8422.524602@webmail06.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain I agree. Enough of the TW vs NW religion. So for something different... N1213W got the blessing from FSDO to take to the skies again yesterday. I did a couple of fast taxi runs yesterday. Have a minor squawks to fix today and some other parts I want to inspect again, then will probably have it in the air again on either Thursday evening or Friday morning. Over the last 4 months, N1213W has had the wing stubs cut apart and electrically operated flaps added, large wing root fairings added, the rudder cord extended and a complete new horizontal stab and elevator built. There are several more minor modifications in the works, but the things that concern the FAA and operating limitations are completed. These modifications are being incorporated as an accumulation of changes I thought would improve either performance, stability or handling based on 500+ hours in this aircraft. Whether they work as designed or live up to my expectations will be tested over the coming days/weeks. Jeff Scott N1213W -- glidden@ccrtc.com wrote: netters Is anybody else doing anything else we can talk about for a while..... I would like to hear how people projects are going. ..... I have worn the word delete off my button.Well just wanted to post a quick note.Hope nobody is offended just think its time to get past the landing gear issues.Blue skys and have a wounderful KR day....Bob ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:13:11 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C44EB@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Great to hear Jeff. Sounds like you made some neat mods. Good luck on your flight testing. Any photos to share??? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jeff Scott Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 11:58 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> NOT Landing gear I agree. Enough of the TW vs NW religion. So for something different... N1213W got the blessing from FSDO to take to the skies again yesterday. I did a couple of fast taxi runs yesterday. Have a minor squawks to fix today and some other parts I want to inspect again, then will probably have it in the air again on either Thursday evening or Friday morning. Over the last 4 months, N1213W has had the wing stubs cut apart and electrically operated flaps added, large wing root fairings added, the rudder cord extended and a complete new horizontal stab and elevator built. There are several more minor modifications in the works, but the things that concern the FAA and operating limitations are completed. These modifications are being incorporated as an accumulation of changes I thought would improve either performance, stability or handling based on 500+ hours in this aircraft. Whether they work as designed or live up to my expectations will be tested over the coming days/weeks. Jeff Scott N1213W -- glidden@ccrtc.com wrote: netters Is anybody else doing anything else we can talk about for a while..... I would like to hear how people projects are going. ..... I have worn the word delete off my button.Well just wanted to post a quick note.Hope nobody is offended just think its time to get past the landing gear issues.Blue skys and have a wounderful KR day....Bob _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:38:59 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050921.103928.8422.525337@webmail06.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain I pushed 6 photos to . Fair warning that they aren't very good photos and are large files that you won't want to load via modem. The plane is not ready to show yet as you'll notice that the trim and registration numbers are missing as well as many other finishing details if you look closely. Jeff Scott -- "Mark Jones" wrote: Great to hear Jeff. Sounds like you made some neat mods. Good luck on your flight testing. Any photos to share??? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:49:26 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C44ED@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nice, looks good. Looking forward to hearing how it does. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jeff Scott Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 12:39 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications I pushed 6 photos to . Fair warning that they aren't very good photos and are large files that you won't want to load via modem. The plane is not ready to show yet as you'll notice that the trim and registration numbers are missing as well as many other finishing details if you look closely. Jeff Scott -- "Mark Jones" wrote: Great to hear Jeff. Sounds like you made some neat mods. Good luck on your flight testing. Any photos to share??? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:07:34 -0500 From: glidden@ccrtc.com Subject: KR> Bellcranks To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <200509211407751.SM02584@ccrtc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Netters Doe's anyone have any drawing for the bellcranks for the ailerons that are better then the ones on the plans.Please email me them if you do at glidden@ccrtc.com thanks in advance....Bob ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:40:43 +0200 From: "DENE COLLETT (SA)" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c5bee5$03703280$b2a6fea9@dene> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Pat Well, there is nothing special about my gear except that it will retract. The mains will be mounted to the wing attach fittings on the wing stubs and retract towards the fuz with gear doors closing behind them. My nose wheel, sorry make that training wheel, will also retract into a hole cut between the spar and 1/4" floor ply carrying the rudder pedals. The leg will be hidden in a recess in a foam extension of the fuz much like Mark L's.There will also be a door closing behind the wheel. The whole system will be hydraulically actuated by an electric/hydraulic pump. As a backup the system will be fitted with a manual bypass valve located in a convenient spot that can be opened if the pump fails. This will allow fluid to flow directly from the one side of the rams to the other without passing through the pump. Extension will be assisted by regular automotive gas struts and gravity. In short, if the pump fails: slow down, open bypass valve, gear extends and locks and is not able to be retracted without hydraulic pressure. The automatic extension system is merely a pressure switch contact hooked to the or another pitot line in parallel to the gear down contact with an interlock preventing simultaneous selection of gear up(manually after take off) and gear down(automatic before sufficient speed has been reached). So far I have the main gear legs welded up and am working(slowly) on the retract system. I will only be able to build the nose gear once I have an engine mount for the corvair motor that I also don't have YET. Don't hold your breath, this could take a while.For a look at what I will be doing, take a look at the "infinity" aftermarket retract system they sell for the canard range of aircraft. My retract system will work with small hydraulic rams just like theirs. Now to find someone who can make me two custom hydraulic rams. Regards Dene Collett KR2S builder Freelance whisper assembler South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net ----- Original Message ----- From: patrusso To: KRnet Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > Dene > Can you share the how to build and tuck the nose wheel bit with us? > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I will wimp out and fit mine with a "training wheel" but nobody will know > > anyway. It will be tucked away inside the fuz in flight with the > > mains. > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:37:25 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Re: Side sticks To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003901c5beec$481b86d0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Mike Turner and Net. I have placed a second web page in cyber space at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/sidestick.htm This has Mike's narrative about his side stick and some more pictures. His original page with the widened fuselage is at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/widen.htm. Mike the side stick site could use some more close-ups of the stick assembly. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:44:39 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003c01c5befe$0d14ba40$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jeff, Your KR is so streamlined looking it looks like it's flying sitting on the ground. You did an exceptional job on the wheel pants, they look excellent. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Scott" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: Re: KR> RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications >I pushed 6 photos to . Fair >warning that they aren't very good photos and are large files that you >won't want to load via modem. The plane is not ready to show yet as you'll >notice that the trim and registration numbers are missing as well as many >other finishing details if you look closely. > > Jeff Scott > > > > -- "Mark Jones" wrote: > Great to hear Jeff. Sounds like you made some neat mods. Good luck on > your flight testing. Any photos to share??? > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:53:29 -0500 From: "M & C" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Side sticks To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Orma, I will see if I can get some more pictures this week end Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri Swing the prop and light the fire, dance amoung the stars.........N642MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:37 PM Subject: KR> Re: Side sticks > Hello Mike Turner and Net. > > I have placed a second web page in cyber space at > www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/sidestick.htm > This has Mike's narrative about his side stick and some more pictures. > His original page with the widened fuselage is at > www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/widen.htm. > > Mike the side stick site could use some more close-ups of the stick > assembly. > > > Orma > Southfield, MI > KR-2 N110LR 1984 > See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com > See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:04:00 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Side sticks To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000201c5bf11$85f43310$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pictures of the pulley that is incorporated into the stick and pictures of how the stick attaches to the fuselage. I have given a lot of thought to widening the fuselage and right how I have a single center stick. I think that I would opt for dual floor mounted sticks since I get tired of flying with my right hand only and would occasionally like to switch hands. Orma ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:16:39 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: KR> Great morning flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c5bf13$48d241f0$6701a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Group The weather here in Arizona is finally starting to cool off. This morning was about 82 degrees at 7AM. There was little traffic at the airport. I started out going to get gas, and was ready to take off at 7:45. I have made a few flights since the gathering and was ready to show off my KR. Some of you may know the plane I have was my fathers, he owned it for 18 years and never flew it. I/we rebuilt it and I had made a few eventful flights prior to Oshkosh. Upon returning from Oshkosh the needed repairs were made and several flights were made. Not enough to make the trip to Mt. Vernon. My father has yet to see the plane fly. It flew the day he bought it 20 years ago. Last night while swimming in the pool I asked him what he would be doing this morning. He stated that he would be at the RC field. The field is a remote dirt strip East of the old Williams Airforce Base. I said Great bring your Radio (hand held) and I'll call you when I'm close. Well after T/O I made the 20-minute flight to his location and called him on the radio. He had to quick land and get his radio, (all observed from the air). I made several revolutions around the field and her asked if I was going to get any lower. 1500 AGL. I made 2 passes at 150 and 100 feet one @ 150 mph and one @ 160 mph as I haven't retracted the gear yet. All I heard was WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW. ALL HE HEARD WAS YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:27:56 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Mods To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <212.9a4200e.306370ac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have a simple kit that can be added to a KR - Look at my pics in the Gathering 04 and 05 photos and you can see the setup . The kit sells for 150 and inlcudes board, handle and torque tube assy. You just supply the hinge and the pushrod of your choice. It is very adaptable to different planes. I wouldnt fly without one. It really helps increase drag and slow the plane down and is more reliable than flaps and easier to install. Call me at 229-834-8996 if interested. Bill Clapp and N41768. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 374 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================