From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 384 Date: 9/28/2005 9:00:18 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Gear reduction / Tork Digest, Vol 347, Issue 382 (Dann Johnson) 2. RE: Control tube test (Jim Mullen) 3. Re: Turnbuckles (DENE COLLETT (SA)) 4. Virginia Regional Fly-In (Donald Reid) 5. Re: Virginia Regional Fly-In (Flymaca711689@aol.com) 6. RE: Control tube test (Joachim Saupe) 7. Re: intake heat (Bob Glidden) 8. RE: Control tube test (Jim Mullen) 9. Re: RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications (Dan Heath) 10. Re: More carb ice? (rontyler) 11. Re: intake heat (TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com) 12. Re: More carb ice? (rontyler) 13. Re: intake heat (Scott William) 14. Re: More carb ice? (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 15. Re: intake heat (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 16. Re: More carb ice? (rontyler) 17. Re: intake heat (jscott.pilot@juno.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Dann Johnson Subject: KR> Re: Gear reduction / Tork Digest, Vol 347, Issue 382 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050928145914.87356.qmail@web208.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ron, Actually, The more I read, the more I am "sold" on the TT-2000 and the TT-2200 with the reduction drive. The big selling point for me is less chance of a crank failure/ more efficent prop. Will the tt-2000 fit my Great planes motor mount? What are the listed prices? Dann Johnson, Thompson, Iowa PS. http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/components.htm The point that Scott was making about the Type I VW ? HMMM : It looks to me like the web page below says Type I . http://usa.vw-engines.com/ Cut and paste from that web page. " PSRU Drive "Texas Twister 1800" This engine based on the type 1 VW engine produces an incredible 200ft lb + Torque and with 85 Horsepower driven through our Helical Gear Drive will surely give your Aircraft what it needs up front. Double Angular contact Thrust Races ensure Propeller Forces are adequately isolated from the crankshaft Oil Cooler Included with every Engine. Factory Tested on 100 LL prior to shipment. Weight 85 kg" --- krnet-request@mylist.net wrote: Scott, Ron Slender asked me to post this regarding the wording on his web page. Scott, Looking at the article written on our web site it does say type 4 not type 1 as mentioned by yourself. (Type 1V shown as roman numerals ) We say in that article that 100 hp and 200 ft lb + of torque is what you need up front. If it were wrong I would change it but it isn`t. The KR was designed for a 60 hp vw direct drive engine. The aircraft now is being fitted with nearly twice capacity engines of various manufacturers and yet the prop diameters are restricted to the original design of undercarriage. Why???? Those that do increase prop diameter end up with a more efficient airplane. It is then a matter of matching performance with diameter and pitch. There is no advantage using our 100 hp gear drive engine in a KR unless you can swing a 60 inch diameter prop.The advantages then would be a much shorter take off run, most likely significantly better climb out and probably a more economical cruise mode due to higher prop efficiency attained by being able to use a more efficient diameter propeller. Gear driving an engine optimises a unique condition allowing the engine to reach maximum power and yet deliver more efficient propeller rpm. It gets better too, NO prop forces acting directly to a crankshaft, no thrust forces acting on the crankshaft in unison to prop and power loading and an engine that is designed to run at an rpm range as accustomed as were in a car. Individual aircraft operation is what the pilot enjoys. Most who own one want optimum cruise against fuel economy and the cruise is set accordingly. Those that want to light up the sky can do that too. An RG TT 2200 EFI running a 60 X 70 inch pitch prop would most likely do that too in a KR2. Ron Slender --------------- Phil Matheson ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:44:15 -0700 From: Jim Mullen Subject: RE: KR> Control tube test To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <63549084DDF79945895C381C8A004272029572@webmaster.tyeeair> Content-Type: text/plain My hats off to Jack, for taking the time to satisfy his curiosity and my concern regarding his bent push rod, what makes this group such a success is the willingness of guys like Jack to the time to share? In the Certified aircraft world flight controls are designed with a system jam in mind, (Lost wrenches or anything else that can find a way to block the movement) whether it's a fully manual flight control system to the control surface or a hydraulic assisted flight control the pilot input force in a jammed condition is generally the basis for ultimate loads. i.e. input force from the pilot times lever arms. So laughing about flight controls is not high on my list of pass time activities, It's serious and should be treated as such, In terms of the effect of vibration has on joint strength the real issue that is induced vibrations can cause a harmonic a response that resonates with the natural frequency of a push rod or any structure for that matter. For GA The most severe of these can come from things like in balanced propeller, crankshafts etc, In turbine engine aircraft the survival frequencies required come from the rotation speed of compressor blades when one or more disintegrate, and eventually stop the rotation of the engine. Our problems are not that severe, but its certainly good practice to inspect for wear and looseness of the control system during your annuals. Turbulence can effectively induce bending on a long push rod by the weight of the rod its self times a force of gravity factor, as an example: My longest push rod to the elevator will be around 80 inches made from 1.25 OD X .049 2024 T42 aluminum tube for the elevator and will take a compression load of 530 Lbs, its natural freq is 19 Hz, so it will react to that number, The lateral strength comes out to about 166 pounds, (applied side load in the middle of the rod) its mass will be 1.6 pounds with end fittings, so the effect of turbulence, would need to be around 10Gs before it bends the tube. Over designed? I suppose but 1.00 X .049 only save me .30 pounds and I have the 1.25 laying around. So the likelihood of the need to design for vibrations are pretty low, to each his/her own, its experimental and your results may vary. Dead horse or not, having the dialog may help expand the knowledge of everyone, or maybe only one builder, my thanks to Jack for the test and the feed back on the subject Jim Mullen KR2S boat, rigging controls is next From: Jeff Scott [mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 5:27 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Control tube test Somehow I doubt that Jack feels the need to destroy his control system to satisfy the curiosity. If you ever need anywhere close to 50# of force on the stick of a KR, you're already toast. FWIW, my KR has a much lighter control rod assembly than Jacks and has 525 hours of vibration testing, moderate to heavy turbulence, hot passes, and bad landings. In the last month I have had every single piece of the control system out on the bench for adjustments and a close inspection. I can tell you that you are beating a dead horse here. Jeff Scott N1213W -- Scott William wrote: Ok, here's just a dumb thought, so don't laugh at me too hard, ok? :-) Applying a force at the stick to measure how much bend you get is ok, but I would think you would want to measure how much force it took for catastrophic failure, where ever that point may be. Also, what about vibration and it's long term affect on a tube as opposed to a cable? Also, what about the integrity of the connection on the elevator end should you experience sudden pressure from turbulence? Ok, laugh now.....but when it comes to safety, I like to question everything, including whether or not you should wear boxers of briefs while flying. Scott --- Jack Cooper wrote: > Jim Mullen and others have questioned my elevator > control tube system especially the bent tube from > the stick to the bell crank just behind the aft > spar. To satisfy my and others curiosity I conducted > a test of the system tonight. see my test at > http://jackandsandycooper.com/controltest.html . Your comments are > welcomed. > > > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@earthlink.net _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:45:07 +0200 From: "DENE COLLETT (SA)" Subject: Re: KR> Turnbuckles To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000001c5c46a$38a2d4a0$b2a6fea9@dene> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Surge Just a guess here but try the saling supply shops. I can't remember what they looked like but what you describe is something like what I saw at a local marine supply storethe other day. Regards Dene Collett KR2S builder Freelance whisper assembler South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Serge VIDAL To: KRnet Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: KR> Turnbuckles > I have a couple of control turnbuckles on my KR2 that are bright metal > (stainless steel? chrome plated?). I would like to buy a couple more, > to use the barrels as aileron pushrods. Now, all I can find in > Aircraft Spruce's catalogue is brass turnbucles. Any ideas? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Coud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:05:03 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR> Virginia Regional Fly-In To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050928174616.01e48d28@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Virginia Regional Fly-In will be this weekend, October 1st and 2nd. We had to cancel last year because of prolonged hurricane activity that kept us from getting the field ready, but in 2003 we had two KRs, I think they were Ken Wilhoit and Billy McFarlan. Gary Hinkle has been there several times as well. This year promises to have truly excellent weather in our part of the country so we expect a record turn-out. Since I am the webmaster, webhost, and Fly-In photographer, there will always be pictures of any KRs posted on the site. Details of the Fly-In are available in the link below. It is the policy of our Fly-In to not charge admission to people flying in, unlike a lot of others. After all, the planes ARE the show. I will be there both days taking pictures so if you happen to see me, please say hello. (Very tall and lots of camera gear) BTW, we still need volunteers, especially to help with parking airplanes on Sunday. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA Regional Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:41:54 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Virginia Regional Fly-In To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi all in Kr land . all be at the fly in on Sunday . i what to be there both days but that's life . looking forward to seeing ken and don again i hope don brings his Kr this year. to me it looks almost ready to fly? sure like to see it live hint hint!!!!!. see you all Sunday mac. billy mcfarland n1055a _flymaca711689@aol.com_ (mailto:flymaca711689@aol.com) ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:45:30 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> Control tube test To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220059328224530656@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII <> I think you meant 100 Gs. Joachim ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:58:17 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> intake heat To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <001101c5c480$1da5a4a0$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Which aircraft have a alternate air on the panel for air to the throttle body and how would your throttle body ice up do to carb ice ? There is no fuel going thru it.I know that most fuel injected aircraft have a spring loaded little flapper or door if you will behind the air filter that opens in the event it ices over and yes if it is the perfect conditions I suppose your throttle body could ice up if it got moister on it and then went through freezeing conditions,but it would be nothing like carb ice,because there is no fuel going through the throttle body.The little red knob on the panel that says "alt air supply" is for your static intruments only and has nothing to do with heat of any kind.... Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:03:53 -0700 From: Jim Mullen Subject: RE: KR> Control tube test To: "'jsaupe6848@earthlink.net'" , 'KRnet' Message-ID: <63549084DDF79945895C381C8A004272029579@webmaster.tyeeair> Content-Type: text/plain Yep, I meant 100G, missed a zero, point is the turbulence we would see would not likely create the kind of load to have a physical effect our flight controls -----Original Message----- From: Joachim Saupe [mailto:jsaupe6848@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:46 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Control tube test <> I think you meant 100 Gs. Joachim _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:38:46 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications To: Message-ID: <433B2986.000010.04084@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeff, I hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of putting your pictures on a page on KRBuilder. The download should be very quick as I cut them and start with thumbnails. You can see a larger picture of each thumbnail by clicking on the thumbnail. If I should not have done this, let me know and I will remove the page. For you who wanted to see the pics, by the way, a very nice looking plane, you can see them by clicking on http://krbuilder.org/JeffScott/index.html See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: Jeff Scott Date: 09/21/05 13:40:58 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications I pushed 6 photos to . Fair warning that they aren't very good photos and are large files that you won't want to load via modem. The plane is not ready to show yet as you'll notice that the trim and registration numbers are missing as well as many other finishing details if you look closely. Jeff Scott ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:08:03 -0700 From: rontyler Subject: Re: KR> More carb ice? To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sep 28, 2005, at 7:00 AM, VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote: > Carb Ice forms when the Dew Point and OAT are close together, Absolutely. > And > > vivible moisture is present, Virg Absolutely not. Regards, Ron Tyler ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:08:25 EDT From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> intake heat To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <200.b30232f.306c9889@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 9/28/2005 8:05:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scottly@yahoo.com writes: > So, here's my point: I am thinking about developing a > home made injection system for my motor. The throttle > bodies will be located on the top of the engine. My > air would be pulled from an air duct in the cowling, > and since most of my flying would be in Florida, and > it does get very humid sometime on cold days, icing > would be a concern, I would think. SO, that being > said, would I need to have carb heat pulled from the manifold, or > would "alt static air" from inside the cowling suffice? Your opinion? > Scott, By the term "throttle bodies" I don't know if you mean throttle plates with injectors above the intake valves, or "throttle body Injection" which mounts the injectors above the butterfly valves. If that happens to be the case I would definitely use lots of carb heat off of the exhaust. You could actually watch ice form on the old GM 2.8 tbi (with the air filter removed) it is caused by the expansion of air and vaporization of the fuel, just like the expansion valve or metering tube in a refrigeration system. Best Regards; Riley Collins Rutledge, TN KR2SS lycoming ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:12:19 -0700 From: rontyler Subject: Re: KR> More carb ice? To: KRnet Message-ID: <8ecec2d0c498b440b6af8aa8fc74d373@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sep 28, 2005, at 7:00 AM, VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote: > Carb Ice forms when the Dew Point and OAT are close together, > And > > vivible moisture is present, Virg > Virg, I owe you an apology... I took you to mean that BOTH conditions need to be present and you meant OR. You are correct. Sorry. Carefully removing foot now. Regards, Ron Tyler "First there was nothing... then it exploded" ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> intake heat To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050929012255.96362.qmail@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Throttle body injection, not port injection. Sorry I didn't clarify that. WHy can't this computer read my mind and type for itself? Darn machine.... Scott --- TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/28/2005 8:05:21 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > scottly@yahoo.com writes: > > > So, here's my point: I am thinking about > developing a > > home made injection system for my motor. The > throttle > > bodies will be located on the top of the engine. > My > > air would be pulled from an air duct in the > cowling, > > and since most of my flying would be in Florida, > and > > it does get very humid sometime on cold days, > icing > > would be a concern, I would think. SO, that being > > said, would I need to have carb heat pulled from > the > > manifold, or would "alt static air" from inside > the > > cowling suffice? Your opinion? > > > > Scott, > By the term "throttle bodies" I don't know if you > mean throttle plates with > injectors above the intake valves, or "throttle body > Injection" which mounts > the injectors above the butterfly valves. If that > happens to be the case I > would definitely use lots of carb heat off of the > exhaust. You could actually > watch ice form on the old GM 2.8 tbi (with the air > filter removed) it is caused > by the expansion of air and vaporization of the > fuel, just like the expansion > valve or metering tube in a refrigeration system. > > Best Regards; > > > Riley Collins > Rutledge, TN > KR2SS lycoming > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:45:33 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> More carb ice? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050928.214842.3948.4.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii O K, Not like DUMBO scathing, Virg On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:12:19 -0700 rontyler writes: > > On Sep 28, 2005, at 7:00 AM, VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote: > > > Carb Ice forms when the Dew Point and OAT are close > together, > > And > > > > vivible moisture is present, Virg > > > > Virg, I owe you an apology... I took you to mean that BOTH > conditions > need to be present and you meant OR. You are correct. Sorry. > Carefully > removing foot now. > > > Regards, Ron Tyler > > "First there was nothing... then it exploded" > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:47:32 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> intake heat To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050928.214842.3948.5.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I believe that G M had a warming plate just below the TB for that condition, Virg On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:08:25 EDT TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 9/28/2005 8:05:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > scottly@yahoo.com writes: > > > So, here's my point: I am thinking about developing a > > home made injection system for my motor. The throttle > > bodies will be located on the top of the engine. My > > air would be pulled from an air duct in the cowling, > > and since most of my flying would be in Florida, and > > it does get very humid sometime on cold days, icing > > would be a concern, I would think. SO, that being > > said, would I need to have carb heat pulled from the > > manifold, or would "alt static air" from inside the > > cowling suffice? Your opinion? > > > > Scott, > By the term "throttle bodies" I don't know if you mean throttle > plates with > injectors above the intake valves, or "throttle body Injection" > which mounts > the injectors above the butterfly valves. If that happens to be the > case I > would definitely use lots of carb heat off of the exhaust. You > could actually > watch ice form on the old GM 2.8 tbi (with the air filter removed) > it is caused > by the expansion of air and vaporization of the fuel, just like the > expansion > valve or metering tube in a refrigeration system. > > Best Regards; > > > Riley Collins > Rutledge, TN > KR2SS lycoming > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:00:28 -0700 From: rontyler Subject: Re: KR> More carb ice? To: KRnet Message-ID: <90f52a135ea115548b283dc962415e9d@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:45 PM, VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote: > O K, Not like DUMBO scathing, Virg Uh... What is that? Regards, Ron Tyler ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:31:09 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> intake heat To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050928.213709.3140.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:58:17 -0500 "Bob Glidden" writes: > Which aircraft have a alternate air on the panel for air to the > throttle > body and how would your throttle body ice up do to carb ice ? Bob, I believe that if you check out a KCAB Citabria or a Decathelon, you'll find an alternate air selector so you can switch away from the filtered air. Other aircraft later added a spring loaded flapper behind the air filter so the engine could still draw air should the filter freeze over or become plugged for any other reason. Jeff Scott ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 384 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================