From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 392 Date: 10/4/2005 8:46:46 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How not to (3343V) 2. Re: New Web Page (Scott William) 3. Re: New Web Page (Jeff Scott) 4. Troy Pettaway's address/phone (larry flesner) 5. Re: breakers / fuses (Brian Kraut) 6. Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Carb Ice (DENE COLLETT (SA)) 7. Re: Gyro instruments (Scott Cable) 8. 115Volt AC instrument (harold woods) 9. Instrument radio suggestions (wilder_jeff Wilder) 10. Re: Gyro instruments (Jeff Scott) 11. Re: Instrument radio suggestions (larry severson) 12. Re: Instrument radio suggestions (Dan Heath) 13. RE: 115Volt AC instrument (Ron Freiberger) 14. Electrical power (JIM VANCE) 15. Re: Instrument radio suggestions (Joseph H. Horton) 16. Re: 115Volt AC instrument (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 17. Re: Instrument radio suggestions (Bob Glidden) 18. Re: Gyro instruments (TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com) 19. Re: Gyro instruments (wilder_jeff Wilder) 20. Radio suggestions (Colin Rainey) 21. RE: Troy Pettaway's address/phone (Steve Bray) 22. gps suggestions (larry flesner) 23. Re: Radio suggestions (3343V) 24. Re: Gyro instruments (Steve Bray) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 03:41:29 -0500 From: "3343V" <3343v@swbell.net> Subject: Re: KR> How not to To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007701c5c8bf$6cd53cf0$0c00a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Scott William wrote: > Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttt..........here in > Florida, our 'skeeters have to have Mode C and > clearance. In Texas we send the F16s after the damned things ;) -- Steve 3343v@swbell.net N3343V- '75 C150M N205FT- KR1 #6170 He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> New Web Page To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051004120204.96353.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It says your Deihl gear has 30" legs.....I thought they only came in 24"? Scott --- jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > I finally put a simple web page together to show > this summer's rebuild of > my KR. If you're interested in the whole painful > process (minus about 2 > months of sanding) check out > http://www.vla.com/jscott/kr/2005mods.html > > Jeff Scott > N1213W > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:44:38 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> New Web Page To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051004.054441.21842.45996@webmail23.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain They do only come in 24", with the exception of Larry Flesner's and mine. Jeff -- Scott William wrote: It says your Deihl gear has 30" legs.....I thought they only came in 24"? Scott --- jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > I finally put a simple web page together to show > this summer's rebuild of > my KR. If you're interested in the whole painful > process (minus about 2 > months of sanding) check out > http://www.vla.com/jscott/kr/2005mods.html > > Jeff Scott > N1213W > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:03:18 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Troy Pettaway's address/phone To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051004090318.00814690@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone on the net have Troy's address, phone number, or e-mail address? I'm trying to contact him to send him his plaque for "Best KR" at the Gathering but I'm not having any luck. I checked my Gathering registration sheets and he didn't register. Thanks, Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:09:49 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Re: KR> breakers / fuses To: KRnet Message-ID: <200510041109.AA490930414@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good point. I also highly recommend using aircraft Tezfel insulated wire. For the average KR it won't add 50 bucks. I had a stereo power wire go up in a car one time and just one breath of the fumes had me almost run off the road. There was hardley even any visible smoke yet. Pulling over and opening whe window is not an easy think in a plane. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: larry flesner Reply-To: KRnet Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:01:48 -0500 > The >>secondary and the fuel pumps run directly off the 35Amp breaker so >>there is only a single point of failure, but nothing else is hot >>without the breaker on, including the starter. All other circuits are >>isolated on separate breakers. Daniel R. Heath >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Speaking of breakers / fuses, if any of you have ANYTHING AT ALL >in you electrical system that is not on a fuse / breaker, I wouldn't >fly again until it is corrected. > >I spent 12 to 14 hours last week re-wiring a tug at the local airport. >Over the years it had gotten worked on, modified, changed, to the point >that the rear headlights were basicly wired directly to the battery >through a switch. A 12G wire got pinched under a rear cover and that >12G wire not only burnt itself up but also took out every wire that was >in a bundle with it from the rear to the front of the tug. The >operator was lucky as he had a fire extinguisher to put out the fire. >If that happened in a KR at altitude, you could easily be toast before >you got it on the ground. > >Consider the possibilities............ > >Larry Flesner > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:35:33 +0200 From: "DENE COLLETT (SA)" Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Carb Ice To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000101c5c912$b56de680$b2a6fea9@dene> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge Well now that you ask, there is that huge knot in the main spar botom cap and the three mild steel wing attach fittings but those are all minor things not to worry about. LOL .Seriously, that plane was built pretty solidly although a bit rough around the edges. There were a few things that I would have changed but more for aesthetic reasons than anything else. Nothing else comes to mind at the moment. Regards Dene Collett KR2S builder Freelance whisper assembler South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Serge VIDAL To: KRnet Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: Réf. : KR> Carb Ice ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:33:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Gyro instruments To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051004183337.88101.qmail@web53002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jeff, Many aircraft that I've had the pleasure of working on have DC to AC inverters, The OV-1D Mohawk has 2 such devices, which are basicly a High Speed 24 volt DC motor, spinning an AC generator. This gives "true" 120 volt AC power (true oscilating inverted sine wave like: ~~). The problem with this style inverter is that they are expensive, heavy and noisy. They also generate a substantial amount of heat, and they require a substantial amount of DC current to run them. As an alternative, the other style is a solid state inverter, however, it's output is pulsed AC, (the sine wave looks like multiple top-hats put end for end like: _-_-_ ). So depending upon the instrument power requirements, this may be an alternative. The advantages are that they are silent, have moderate DC power input requirements, moderately priced and are fairly lightweight. However they may cause electrical interference with your radios and other electrical equipment. So it's probably manditory to use shielded twisted pair wiring to prevent the interference problems. These are the same style and type units used in autos, RV's etc. (Wall-Mart actually sells versions of these units) I don't recall if I've ever seen one for Aero use, but you could check with AC Spruce or Wick's. And as always; your results may vary.... wilder_jeff Wilder wrote: I bought an R.C. Allan Gyro off of ebay last week... I received the product, it was as described.. but when I was bidding on it, I did not realize that it was 115v AC 400mzh. UHHGGG!!! once again. Anyone know if I can convert this to 12v dc? Scott Cable Jamestown, ND s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:23:53 -0400 From: "harold woods" Subject: KR> 115Volt AC instrument To: Message-ID: <001401c5c921$8af89da0$0501a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Netters, All is not lost with the instrument, Converters are light and not too expensive these days. They will convert your 12V DC into 115 V AC. The power requirement of the instrument cannot be too high. . Check at an Automotive store for a converter. Regards Harold Woods Orillia, ON..Canada harold woods@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:33:14 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: KR> Instrument radio suggestions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Greetings all, I wanted to get a few ideas about the instruments outside of the basic VFR that are required that I would need. I currently have: Narco 810 transcever Narco MK12 Nav/Com w/ VOR indicator compass VSI Altimeter Airspeed I have an attitude gyro ( although I cant use it arrgggg) I still need Transponder Engine instruments (heck still need an engine) Does anyone believe I would need a DG, GPS, ADF,or an Audio pannel ?... anything else I might have forgotten to mention -Jeff ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:38:40 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> Gyro instruments To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051004.133926.14715.3261@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Am I the only one that thinks there might be a problem running a 115VAC 400HZ instrument on 110VAC 60HZ output? Those instruments are always available cheap because they can't be used in GA aircraft without prohibitively heavy and expensive equipment. They are made for commercial aircraft that use the high freq AC voltage so they can save weight on long runs of wiring. Same is true for trying to use a 24V instrument in a 12V system. It's cheaper and less weight to sell the instrument and buy the correct instrument than to salvage the mistake. Jeff Scott N1213W wilder_jeff Wilder wrote: I bought an R.C. Allan Gyro off of ebay last week... I received the product, it was as described.. but when I was bidding on it, I did not realize that it was 115v AC 400mzh. UHHGGG!!! once again. Anyone know if I can convert this to 12v dc? ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:41:24 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Instrument radio suggestions To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051004133950.027afea8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The future is GPS, if you plan to go to fly-ins (X-country). Lowrance 1000 can be gotten for $499. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:34:28 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Instrument radio suggestions To: Message-ID: <4342F564.000003.03236@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" GPS for sure with a hand held back up, or two hand held. Moving map is good and they usually give you the DG info, so you don't need DG or ADF. You could just get the glass cockpit stuff and be done with it. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- still need Transponder Engine instruments (heck still need an engine) does anyone believe I would need a DG, GPS, ADF,or an Audio pannel ?... anything else I might have forgotten to mention ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:42:05 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> 115Volt AC instrument To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000901c5c934$db7a87d0$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The 60Hz frequency will not provide the right load. Not a good idea. Plug it into the wall socket to see. Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of harold woods Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 3:24 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> 115Volt AC instrument Hi Netters, All is not lost with the instrument, Converters are light and not too expensive these days. They will convert your 12V DC into 115 V AC. The power requirement of the instrument cannot be too high. . Check at an Automotive store for a converter. Regards Harold Woods Orillia, ON..Canada harold woods@rogers.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:59:35 -0500 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> Electrical power To: "krnet" Message-ID: <000801c5c948$0ef20ee0$0300a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some aircraft instruments and radios require 115 volt 400 HERTZ power. The 400 is used because the transformers, etc., can be much smaller than with 60 hertz. Check the frequency of the power before you commit to an inverter. Secondly, circuit breakers take a finite amount of time to react to an overload. They do a fine job of protecting the power wires, but a GPS, transceiver, or transponder could go to smoke city before the breaker would open. I would suggest a breaker at the panel, and a fuse right at the unit. You don't need access to the fuse when you are airborne, because if the fuse blows, the chances are outstanding that the unit isn't going to operate again without work. Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com KR-2 N 303 JV waiting inspection ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:58:20 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> Instrument radio suggestions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051004.205820.944.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > The future is GPS, if you plan to go to fly-ins (X-country). Lowrance > 1000 > can be gotten for $499. > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > Actually I bought one from a place in Indiana ( I think) for $475. Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:51:39 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> 115Volt AC instrument To: haroldwoods@rogers.com,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051004.210217.1916.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 400 cycles is difficult but doable. Expensive, Virg On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:23:53 -0400 "harold woods" writes: > Hi Netters, > All is not lost with the instrument, Converters are light and not > too > expensive these days. They will convert your 12V DC into 115 V AC. > The power > requirement of the instrument cannot be too high. . Check at an > Automotive > store for a converter. > Regards > Harold Woods > Orillia, ON..Canada > harold woods@rogers.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:22:05 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Instrument radio suggestions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007601c5c94b$32dd47e0$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com Everything is better in Indiana,I thought you knew that Joe.... > Actually I bought one from a place in Indiana ( I think) for $475. > Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. > joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:31:26 EDT From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Gyro instruments To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <7e.72da9283.307494fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 10/4/2005 4:40:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, jscott.pilot@juno.com writes: > Am I the only one that thinks there might be a problem running a > 115VAC > 400HZ instrument on 110VAC 60HZ output? > The problem will be the rpm of the gyro, it probably has a 2 pole ac motor which would give 24,000 rpm at 400 hz, or 3600 at 60 hz Just my humble opinion Riley Collins Rutledge, TN KR2-SS, Lycoming Power ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:35:45 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: Re: KR> Gyro instruments To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I think all and all .. it isnt going to work for me. -Jeff Wilder CISSP,CCE,C/EH -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++ G e* h--- r- y+++* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com >Reply-To: KRnet >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: Re: KR> Gyro instruments >Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:31:26 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lizard.esosoft.net ([38.118.200.18]) by >mc9-f3.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:32:26 -0700 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net)by >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1EMz4z-000MPz-Skfor >wilder_jeff@msn.com; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:32:25 -0700 >Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1])by lizard.esosoft.net with >esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMz47-000MGg-L2for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 >19:31:31 -0700 >Received: from TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.comby imo-m20.mx.aol.com >(mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id g.7e.72da9283 (4568)for ; Tue, 4 >Oct 2005 22:31:26 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEMmLoK3iAV+WWTerPe5rJ3jylrp79jdm4= >X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 >X-Spam-Flag: NO >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.4 >X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >List-Id: KRnet >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: krnet-bounces+wilder_jeff=msn.com@mylist.net >Return-Path: krnet-bounces+wilder_jeff=msn.com@mylist.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2005 02:32:26.0347 (UTC) >FILETIME=[06350BB0:01C5C955] > >In a message dated 10/4/2005 4:40:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jscott.pilot@juno.com writes: > > > Am I the only one that thinks there might be a problem running a > > 115VAC 400HZ instrument on 110VAC 60HZ output? > > > >The problem will be the rpm of the gyro, it probably has a 2 pole ac >motor which would give 24,000 rpm at 400 hz, or 3600 at 60 hz > >Just my humble opinion > > >Riley Collins >Rutledge, TN >KR2-SS, Lycoming Power >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:54:46 -0400 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> Radio suggestions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-22005103525446844@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jeff After having run the wiring and having to have Brian Kraut bail me out with the radio, I would run a good quality Icom or similar handheld, with headset adapter, and external antenna unless you are going to have a professional wire the tray style radio up. I have an SP200 from Sporty's with a headset adapter that I have been using since I began flying N96TA due to in panel radio issues, and have done fine. An intercom with 2 to 4 jacks can be had for around $100, SP200 for $299, and adapters for less than $50. Run the external cable like Mark L. shows on his web page and you are set. Also my SP200 doubles as a VOR receiver, so I can track the airways and non-precision approaches. ADF is only needed if you plan on using older CDI instruments that require the ADF as part of an instrument approach, like our ILS at Sanford. It requires for the ADF to be there in the event of a missed approach, to use the NDB for the missed procedure. This is in the event of lost comms because ATC always gives you alternate missed instructions anyway. The FAA is decommissioning most of the NDB transmitters due to GPS, and only keeping a few for some remote airports that would be negatively effected. I would also not invest in an RMI as they are also disappearing in favor of GPS. If you have to have an analog instrument then invest in an HSI (horizontal situation indicator). 3 instruments in one, and makes analog navigation a breeze. A Garmin 296 does not have the more expensive color display, but does have the 6 pack of instruments in one nice neat package, along with GPS functions. If you plan on night flying, and I do, then you really should have the instrumentation for IFR even though you are not flying IFR. Just some thoughts... Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:19:51 -0500 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: RE: KR> Troy Pettaway's address/phone To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I've got his cell somewhere Larry, I'll try to dig it out for you. If nothing else I live close enough to fake to him. By the way, you did a great job on the gathering and I thank you. Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: larry flesner >Reply-To: KRnet >To: KRnet >Subject: KR> Troy Pettaway's address/phone >Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:03:18 -0500 > > > >Does anyone on the net have Troy's address, phone number, >or e-mail address? I'm trying to contact him to send him his plaque >for "Best KR" at the Gathering but I'm not having any luck. I checked >my Gathering registration sheets and he didn't register. > >Thanks, > >Larry Flesner > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:31:48 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> gps suggestions To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051004223148.0086a2f0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:41 PM 10/4/05 -0700, you wrote: >The future is GPS, if you plan to go to fly-ins (X-country). Lowrance >1000 >can be gotten for $499. > >Larry Severson ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In my opinion, the Lowrance 1000 is much too large for the KR cockpit. I tried one once and it seemed half the size of my panel. The Lowrance 500 is much more reasonable in size and can be had for $349. I intend to get one for $249 with the $100 rebate letter I got from Lowrance for turning in an old non-functioning Lowrance 300. If your are years away from flying I'd suggest you not buy anything yet. As to the AC instruments, I wouldn't mess with trying to get them to work. They are more hassle than they are worth. I purchased an electric gyro horizon once that was working fine when removed from an airplane, so I was told. Turns out it is a 28volt, 400Hz unit that came with a converter for a 12VDC system. The converter doesn't work, the instrument is shot, and I'm out $25 in phone bills trying to find someone to work on it, not to mention my time. If you're starting from scratch, consider going the Dynon route or whatever that solid state 10 in one instrument is. $2000 seems steep but price out the instruments it replaces and see what you come up with. On the engine instruments, wait until you know what engine you will be using. I'd suggest going with electric instruments whenever possible, i.e. , oil temp, oil press, tach, etc as that keeps hot oil lines out of the cockpit and trying to run a tach cable, etc. I forgot who started this thread but it sounds as if they have been out of aviation for a while, are a low time pilot, or both. This is not a put down, just an observation from the questions asked. I'd suggest you find a local EAA chapter of builders and pick their brains, buy the Tony Bingelis books, and in general , try to determine just what type of an airplane will fill the bill for the type of flying you intend to do. It might save considerable time and money. Also, if you stay with the KR, I'd highly suggest you make the Gathering next year and soak up several days of KR info. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:37:31 -0500 From: "3343V" <3343v@swbell.net> Subject: Re: KR> Radio suggestions To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <003901c5c95e$20c3f870$0c00a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Colin Rainey wrote: > Jeff > After having run the wiring and having to have Brian Kraut bail me out > with the radio, I would run a good quality Icom or similar handheld, > with headset adapter, and external antenna unless you are going to > have a professional wire the tray style radio up. That's exactly my plan. I got an Icom A4 for a rediculously good price and plan on using it, a handheld GPS, and the typical instruments for bare minimum night VFR. I have absolutely zero desire to fly a KR1 in IMC. I don't even want to do it in a 182. -- Steve 3343v@swbell.net N3343V- '75 C150M N205FT- KR1 #6170 He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:46:22 -0500 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: Re: KR> Gyro instruments To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ken Jones Would you contact me off list. rsbray@hotmail.com Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Kenneth B. Jones" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Gyro instruments >Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:24:07 -0400 > >Steve, > >What do you have that's 24 vdc? I'm building another plane (White >Lightning) that uses 24 vdc. If it's something I need and you want to >sell and by a 12 vdc, perhaps ........... > >Now I see your second message. I have a T & B 12 vdc that I could >trade >you >if you're interested. > >Ken Jones > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Phillabaum" >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:14 PM >Subject: Re: KR> Gyro instruments > > > > > >> > >> From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" > >> UHHGGG!!! > >> I bought an R.C. Allan Gyro off of ebay last week... I received the > >> product, it was as described.. but when I was bidding on it, I did > >> not realize that > >> it was 115v AC 400mzh. > > Anyone know if I can convert this to 12v dc? > >> > >> -jeff > >> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > More even, Does anyone have any info on changing 24 > > > > Steven Phillabaum > > KR2S; 5048; corvair; > > Auburn, Alabama > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 392 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================