From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 399 Date: 10/9/2005 9:32:17 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: dan jerrys kr2 allmost ready for the yeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaa (Dan Heath) 2. laptop based GPS display? (Mark Langford) 3. Re: laptop based GPS display? (Scott William) 4. Re: laptop based GPS display? (Dan Heath) 5. Re: laptop based GPS display? (Mark Langford) 6. Re: laptop based GPS display? (Frank Ross) 7. Re: laptop based GPS display? (Robert L. Stone) 8. Re: laptop based GPS display? (Brant Hollensbe) 9. Re: Autocad drawing of fuse (wilder_jeff Wilder) 10. Re: Autocad drawing of fuse (Mark Langford) 11. Re: laptop based GPS display? (Dan Michaels) 12. Re: laptop based GPS display? (Scott William) 13. Spitfire (Frank Ross) 14. Re:laptop based GPS display (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 15. Re: Florida gang (hussein nagy) 16. Re: Florida gang (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 17. Re: Autocad drawing of fuse (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 18. RE: laptop based GPS display? (Steve Glover) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 05:17:42 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> dan jerrys kr2 allmost ready for the yeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaa To: Message-ID: <4348E036.000003.00192@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the YEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHAAAA!!!!! I am going to move it sometime Tuesday and Jerry is coming out after work so we can put on the wings. Then we are going to pour some Heineken over the nose. Pics at 11. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:08:40 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013a01c5ccca$2fdd75b0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" KRNetHeads, It's been kinda quiet lately, and some of you guys are into this kind of stuff, so I'll go ahead and ask. I'm getting ready to buy some kind of large screen GPS display, and I'm thinking seriously about the Navearo TPad 800 (see http://www.navaero.com/t_pad/specs_touch.asp ). It's basically just a radio-width (6.2" wide x 9" tall) external screen for my laptap (which I already carry to collect EIS info). I'd be using my old Garmin GPSMap 95 for GPS info, although I'll probably buy something lighter and smaller for that job as money permits. The big question for me is what software to run. The thing has a touchscreen, and whatever will run on a laptop is accessible through this 800x600 display. True Flight doesn't appear to have road info (which might be important for "I Follow Roads" or during an engine-out landing), and the Jeppesen software doesn't appeal to me for some reason. 0 Any other suggestions as to other hardware or software suggestions are also welcome, but there is a certain appeal in having a screen that I mount to the panel, allowing the "real" hardware and software to be upgraded as technology progresses. I'm planning to spend about $2000 or so, so the TPad800 and a $500 software package would be perfect, connected to my existing equipment. I was thinking about a GPSMap 296, but the thought of having something that expensive become obsolete in a few years doesn't appeal to me. A laptop based system seems much more flexible. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051009123125.58935.qmail@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 When moving map technology first hit the market, the only way you could get it was with an external GPS and a laptop. I had one. I will say this: Carrying that laptop gets old. With all the new cheap technology, may I suggest looking at something in the civilian/boating market that is less expensive and can be mounted on your panel? Will it have airport waypoints? No. But most can be programmed for any along your route. That system you are looking at has a screen and an interface box. That's a lot of "stuff" to be carrying around. Scott --- Mark Langford wrote: > KRNetHeads, > > It's been kinda quiet lately, and some of you guys > are into this kind of stuff, so I'll go ahead and > ask. I'm getting ready to buy some kind of large > screen GPS display, and I'm thinking seriously about > the Navearo TPad 800 (see http://www.navaero.com/t_pad/specs_touch.asp > ). It's basically just a radio-width (6.2" wide x 9" > tall) external screen for my laptap (which I already > carry to collect EIS info). I'd be using my old > Garmin GPSMap 95 for GPS info, although I'll > probably buy something lighter and smaller for that > job as money permits. The big question for me is > what software to run. The thing has a touchscreen, > and whatever will run on a laptop is accessible > through this 800x600 display. True Flight doesn't > appear to have road info (which might be important > for "I Follow Roads" or during an engine-out > landing), and the Jeppesen software doesn't appeal > to me for some reason. 0 > > Any other suggestions as to other hardware or > software suggestions are also welcome, but there is > a certain appeal in having a screen that I mount to > the panel, allowing the "real" hardware and software > to be upgraded as technology progresses. I'm > planning to spend about $2000 or so, so the TPad800 > and a $500 software package would be perfect, > connected to my existing equipment. I was thinking > about a GPSMap 296, but the thought of having > something that expensive become obsolete in a few > years doesn't appeal to me. A laptop based system > seems much more flexible. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:42:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: Message-ID: <4349104D.000001.02408@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have been looking at these. They will operate on any windows PC and most PDAs, and probably a lot of other hardware. http://www.flynavgps.com/products.shtml and try this: http://www.remotetracker.com/html/body_anywhere_map.html I wanted to give you the site for Control Vision Anywhere Map, but my old address does not seem to work anymore. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- laptop based GPS display? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:51:28 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <016901c5ccd0$2a66a100$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" William Scott wrote: > a laptop. I had one. I will say this: Carrying that > laptop gets old. With all the new cheap technology, > may I suggest looking at something in the > civilian/boating market that is less expensive and can > be mounted on your panel? Will it have airport > waypoints? No. But most can be programmed for any > along your route. I think you missed most of the points I tried to make in my post. I already carry a laptop to store information generated by the engine information system, and I find the benefits of trending engine parameters far outweigh the hassle. And I'm not about to mount a marine GPS in my plane that has no aviation database. What would you do when your engine quit on a cross-country and you needed to know the nearest 10 airports, their distances, and the orientation of their runways? I should have asked that all replies come direct to me... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 05:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051009125032.64412.qmail@web32012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Mark Langford wrote: > KRNetHeads, .... > Any other suggestions as to other hardware or > software suggestions are also welcome, >SNIP > A laptop based system seems much more flexible. > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net Mark, Sorry, no help on software, but maybe on hardware. Recently I bought a VERY small JVC notebook for just under $1100, see: http://notebook.jvc.com/overview/index.html Originally they were retailing for over $2000, so it was a real deal. You may be able to find one for as good a price because they are TOO SMALL and aren't selling very well. I have no problem with the size and wanted one small and light for travelling. It is about the size of a good DVD player. Now for the other complaint reviewers had, RAM memory. It ships with 256MB, but is easily up-graded to 768MB, which I did. Runs great! Especially if you don't have a lot of crap on it. See: http://www.memoryx.net/jvcammpme.html Anyway, thought you might be able to use this info. Good hunting and keep us posted. BTW the weather in East Anglia right now is absolutely stunning. Frank Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:04:57 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004501c5ccd2$0d6357e0$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have been using the Garmin 296 for about 7 months and it does everything that I need. I paid $1695.00 when I bought mine but now they are down to $1495.00. This unit is small and light although the screen is large enough. Very suitable for a KR aircraft. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Texas rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 7:08 AM Subject: KR> laptop based GPS display? > KRNetHeads, > > It's been kinda quiet lately, and some of you guys are into this kind > of > stuff, so I'll go ahead and ask. I'm getting ready to buy some kind of > large screen GPS display, and I'm thinking seriously about the Navearo > TPad 800 (see http://www.navaero.com/t_pad/specs_touch.asp ). It's > basically just a radio-width (6.2" wide x 9" tall) external screen for my > laptap (which I already carry to collect EIS info). I'd be using my old > Garmin GPSMap 95 for GPS info, although I'll probably buy something > lighter and smaller for that job as money permits. The big question for > me is what software to run. The thing has a touchscreen, and whatever > will run on a laptop is accessible through this 800x600 display. True > Flight doesn't appear to have road info (which might be important for "I > Follow Roads" or during an engine-out landing), and the Jeppesen software > doesn't appeal to me for some reason. 0 > > Any other suggestions as to other hardware or software suggestions are > also welcome, but there is a certain appeal in having a screen that I > mount to the panel, allowing the "real" hardware and software to be > upgraded as technology progresses. I'm planning to spend about $2000 or > so, so the TPad800 and a $500 software package would be perfect, connected > to my existing equipment. I was thinking about a GPSMap 296, but the > thought of having something that expensive become obsolete in a few years > doesn't appeal to me. A laptop based system seems much more flexible. > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:07:49 -0500 From: "Brant Hollensbe" Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000501c5ccd2$737eb790$0702a8c0@bruntson> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Another great use of the laptop inflight is to obtain real time radar images of the weather ahead of you, via your cell phone. I have a friend who flys a lot of cross country. He connects his laptop to his cell phone and dials up one of the many weather services to access the weather radar images of his route ahead of him. He boasts that it is his onboard radar system. Brant Hollensbe DSM ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:14:49 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: Re: KR> Autocad drawing of fuse To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mark, I have a KR2 that was streched before the S was available... built to the plans.. problem is.. is too wide for a single seater, and not wide enough for a 2 seater... I was thinking aobut just starting the fuse over. and using all the existing hardware -Jeff Wilder CISSP,CCE,C/EH -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++ G e* h--- r- y+++* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ M >From: "Mark Langford" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Autocad drawing of fuse >Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:21:24 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lizard.esosoft.net ([38.118.200.18]) by >mc5-f41.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:14:18 -0700 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net)by >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1EORdh-0009qm-Em; Sat, 08 Oct >2005 20:14:17 -0700 >Received: from smtp.knology.net ([24.214.63.101])by lizard.esosoft.net with >esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EORdg-0009qh-Dcfor krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 >20:14:16 -0700 >Received: (qmail 17476 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2005 03:13:13 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO 2600xp) (69.73.127.55)by smtp7.knology.net >with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 03:13:13 -0000 >X-Message-Info: TSNaxu8CDodDfVQaTkMyFIwG+iGvgW5fsYjOyyj4e+o= >References: <20051008.224053.3496.11.virgnvs@juno.com> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >List-Id: KRnet >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >Return-Path: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2005 03:14:19.0087 (UTC) >FILETIME=[8991BDF0:01C5CC7F] > >Virg wrote: > > > Da PLANS---Da PLANS, You have to draw it on the table > > anyway, > >I guess Virg has a point here. There are only about 6 points that >really matter in defining the fuselage sides, so it's pretty quick to lay out. >The >worst part of laying out the sides is the pathetic dimensioning. I have no >idea why anybody would use individual dimensions rather than cumulative >dimensions. The first thing I did was get the calculator and start adding >all the numbers so I could just hang the tape measure on one end and read >off each new station with reference to the firewall. Measuring each bay or >station individual with respect to the previous one is an invitation to a >bad case of tolerance stackup, or worse. It's close enough for KR work, >but >a pain in the butt, and the reason several folks have discovered their >fuselage is either one bay short or one bay long! Other than that, make >sure the two spars are the correct distance apart. > > I drew mine out on the table so I could screw the positioning blocks >down that force the upper and lower longerons into shape. That's a >great time to make any changes to the plans that you want to make, >mainly the overall length or the addtion of a bay. Plots on paper are >subject to expansion and contraction with humidity, twisting, or >accidental tearing, but lines made from chalk lines (and then >reinforced with a Sharpie) and a big drywall T-square (from Home Depot) >will stay put for a long time, and will definitely not move. I can >still see mine on the my table top... > >And I'll save Virg the trouble, "build it per the plans!" > : ) > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to >N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html a ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:31:03 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Autocad drawing of fuse To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <018b01c5ccd5$b2303010$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeff Wilder wrote: > I have a KR2 that was streched before the S was available... built to > the plans.. problem is.. is too wide for a single seater, and not wide > enough for a 2 seater... I was thinking aobut just starting the fuse > over. and using all the existing hardware I was just kidding about "build it per the plans". I guess my point was that you really can't predict how wood will curve on a CAD system, so just define your points (as you see fit) on the table in 2D and bend the wood to fit between them, and then cut the cross members for a perfect fit. Just use the plans as a go-by. Although I've been solid modeling stuff in 3D CAD for 15 years, it didn't make much sense to spend the time on the KR fuselage when I was building it, since I didn't plan to deviate from the plans as much as I eventually did. When I build another one though, I'll do exactly that, for the purpose of running control cables, space claims, etc, for the purpose of solving all of these problems before I actually start construction. But that's another day, and I have a plane to fly in the meantime... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:39:40 -0500 From: "Dan Michaels" Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c5ccd6$e8e1ffc0$6501a8c0@N32394> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I went with a EFB that I made myself, started with a veiwsonic tablet PC from saveateagle.com, software from chartcase (automatic updates for the year) this comes with Sec, plates, and chart planning. I used a Delorme USB GPS with street map for the GPS. I have a complete system 8.5x10 screen with all the maps for the US updated all year plus th ability to follow roads using the street map software. All for less than $1200.00. Sorry I do not fly a KR yet I fly a Cherokee Six but I am looking at a retrac KR2 for $10,000.00. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 7:08 AM Subject: KR> laptop based GPS display? > KRNetHeads, > > It's been kinda quiet lately, and some of you guys are into this kind > of > stuff, so I'll go ahead and ask. I'm getting ready to buy some kind of > large screen GPS display, and I'm thinking seriously about the Navearo > TPad 800 (see http://www.navaero.com/t_pad/specs_touch.asp ). It's > basically just a radio-width (6.2" wide x 9" tall) external screen for my > laptap (which I already carry to collect EIS info). I'd be using my old > Garmin GPSMap 95 for GPS info, although I'll probably buy something > lighter and smaller for that job as money permits. The big question for > me is what software to run. The thing has a touchscreen, and whatever > will run on a laptop is accessible through this 800x600 display. True > Flight doesn't appear to have road info (which might be important for "I > Follow Roads" or during an engine-out landing), and the Jeppesen software > doesn't appeal to me for some reason. 0 > > Any other suggestions as to other hardware or software suggestions are > also welcome, but there is a certain appeal in having a screen that I > mount to the panel, allowing the "real" hardware and software to be > upgraded as technology progresses. I'm planning to spend about $2000 or > so, so the TPad800 and a $500 software package would be perfect, connected > to my existing equipment. I was thinking about a GPSMap 296, but the > thought of having something that expensive become obsolete in a few years > doesn't appeal to me. A laptop based system seems much more flexible. > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:00:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051009140005.89299.qmail@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Let me clarify my position here so you can understand where I am comming from. I live and do most of my flying in Florida. It's flat. 99% of the time, I use no electronic navigation....I use a chart. To me, it's simple, fun, and enjoyable. As with any pilot I know, I always know where I am at, which means I know where the nearest field is at, including farm fields. I have had two engine-outs in my lifetime. One time I made it to a field, the other I made it to a cow pasture. I count myself as lucky. You carry a laptop to store trending engine parameters. I understand your point. To me, that's just a tad bit to analytical and removes the fun of flying for me. In my years of experience building engines, I always used parameter storing devices on eveything we raced...just not what I played with for fun. Example: Motorcycles carried tire temp sensors, wheel speed sensors (coupled with tachometer readings used to determine wheel spin at differeing rpms), egt, o'2, map, tps, head temp, oil temp and pressure, ....stored in a box and downloaded later. We raced, hence we over-analyzed looking for every second of lap time we could conjure up. But that's racing, and to do that in my flying machine just removes the fun from it, for me. You look at it differently. So, to sum this up...I like to keep it as simple as possible. When I get into the rental flyer, armed with the weather report and a $100 hamburger destination, after a thorough preflight, I sprawl out the chart on my lap and away I go...happy as pig in a poke. With that said, the map unit you showed us was neat...but far too complicated for my simple tastes. However....looks like a nice unit. But instead of that, I would consider a map that runs entirely on my laptop, coupled to a GPS unit. Go look inside a police car and check out the laptop mounting systems they use in the car. They are quite simple, and could easily be adapted to an airplane. You could mount it on a swivel, to move it over to the passenger side when flying alone, or push it up against the panel when you have a passenger (can you picture what I am trying to say?) Scott --- Mark Langford wrote: > William Scott wrote: > > > a laptop. I had one. I will say this: Carrying > that > > laptop gets old. With all the new cheap > technology, > > may I suggest looking at something in the > > civilian/boating market that is less expensive and > can > > be mounted on your panel? Will it have airport > > waypoints? No. But most can be programmed for any > > along your route. > > I think you missed most of the points I tried to > make in my post. I already > carry a laptop to store information generated by the > engine information > system, and I find the benefits of trending engine > parameters far outweigh > the hassle. And I'm not about to mount a marine > GPS in my plane that has > no aviation database. What would you do when your > engine quit on a > cross-country and you needed to know the nearest 10 > airports, their > distances, and the orientation of their runways? > > I should have asked that all replies come direct to > me... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Ross Subject: KR> Spitfire To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051009141717.6463.qmail@web32010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 When was the last time you saw a Spitfire fly over your neighborhood? I just did. Went for a walk and heard a plane approaching. Civilian planes fly over our bases here all the time, so I wasn't surprised, but did look because there was just something about the sound. It was unmistakenly a Spitfire! Flying West to East. Beautiful! There are a fair number of Spits restored and flying in Britain but it is a real treat to see one fly over just out for a spin and enjoying a great plane on a great day. Thought you would like to know. Frank PS, KR, KR, KR. Okay, that's the KR part. Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:22:54 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: Re:KR>laptop based GPS display To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I believe Control Vision Anywhere Flight Planner Software now supports a GPS on the PC.. I have used their PDA version and it works great.. makes a great backup as well. If you have to haul the PC with you in your luggage, you might as well turn it on and put it to use!!! John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: hussein nagy Subject: Re: KR> Florida gang To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051009145224.11205.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have been following the email about many topics on KR2 then I decided to build one KR2, Found one boat on a retracable and tail drager configuration,I live in Jacksonville area and I would like to get in touch with every one in Jacksonville. planning to build Outer Wing Panel, missing the ribs for the aerifoil RAF48, is any one have the drawing? the FWD and Aft Spars are bulit but I do not know how to glass it.and if any one has fuel wing tankfor sale. Please contact me of the net. Nagy Hussein 904-543-8183 nagy_tarek@yahoo.com I live in Jacksonville beach area --- VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote: > Virg in S W Miami, Virg > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:12:24 -0400 "Colin Rainey" > writes: > > Florida builders/flyers that I know of are: > > Myself in Sanford/Orlando area, based at KSFB. > > Brian Kraut in Jacksonville Florida based at Craig > Airport. > > Steve Jones in Venice Florida based at Venice. > > Dean Cooper in Jacksonville as well ( I think). > > And others can check in as they decide to.... > > > > Engine together, working details now... > > > > > > Colin Rainey > > N96TA TD > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL > www.lubedealer.com/salisbury > Miami ,Fl > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > nagy hussein __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:35:30 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Florida gang To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051009.113553.448.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A new set of plans cost little compared to the cost of the plane, Virg On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:52:24 -0700 (PDT) hussein nagy writes: > I have been following the email about many topics on > KR2 then I decided to build one KR2, Found one boat on > a retracable and tail drager configuration,I live in Jacksonville > area and I would like to get in touch with every one in Jacksonville. > planning to build Outer Wing Panel, missing the ribs for the aerifoil > RAF48, is any one have the drawing? the FWD and Aft > Spars are bulit but I do not know how to glass it.and > if any one has fuel wing tankfor sale. > Please contact me of the net. > Nagy Hussein > 904-543-8183 > nagy_tarek@yahoo.com > I live in Jacksonville beach area > > --- VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote: > > > Virg in S W Miami, Virg > > > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:12:24 -0400 "Colin Rainey" > > writes: > > > Florida builders/flyers that I know of are: > > > Myself in Sanford/Orlando area, based at KSFB. > > > Brian Kraut in Jacksonville Florida based at Craig > > Airport. > > > Steve Jones in Venice Florida based at Venice. > > > Dean Cooper in Jacksonville as well ( I think). > > > And others can check in as they decide to.... > > > > > > Engine together, working details now... > > > > > > > > > Colin Rainey > > > N96TA TD > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL > > www.lubedealer.com/salisbury > > Miami ,Fl > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > nagy hussein > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:28:57 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Autocad drawing of fuse To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051009.113553.448.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Put some wide armrests on each side. See Les Palmers plane, Virg On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:14:49 -0600 "wilder_jeff Wilder" writes: > Mark, > > I have a KR2 that was streched before the S was available... built > to the > plans.. problem is.. is too wide for a single seater, and not wide > enough > for a 2 seater... I was thinking aobut just starting the fuse over. > and > using all the existing hardware > > > > > -Jeff Wilder > CISSP,CCE,C/EH > > > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- > M-- > V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++ > G e* h--- r- y+++* > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > M > > > >From: "Mark Langford" > >Reply-To: KRnet > >To: "KRnet" > >Subject: Re: KR> Autocad drawing of fuse > >Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:21:24 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from lizard.esosoft.net ([38.118.200.18]) by > mc5-f41.hotmail.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:14:18 > -0700 > >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net)by > >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1EORdh-0009qm-Em; Sat, > 08 Oct > >2005 20:14:17 -0700 > >Received: from smtp.knology.net ([24.214.63.101])by > lizard.esosoft.net with > >esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EORdg-0009qh-Dcfor krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 08 > Oct 2005 > >20:14:16 -0700 > >Received: (qmail 17476 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2005 03:13:13 > -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO 2600xp) (69.73.127.55)by > smtp7.knology.net > >with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 03:13:13 -0000 > >X-Message-Info: TSNaxu8CDodDfVQaTkMyFIwG+iGvgW5fsYjOyyj4e+o= > >References: <20051008.224053.3496.11.virgnvs@juno.com> > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 > >X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: KRnet > List-Unsubscribe: > >, > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, > >Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net > >Return-Path: krnet-bounces@mylist.net > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2005 03:14:19.0087 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[8991BDF0:01C5CC7F] > > > >Virg wrote: > > > > > Da PLANS---Da PLANS, You have to draw it on the table > anyway, > > > >I guess Virg has a point here. There are only about 6 points that > really > >matter in defining the fuselage sides, so it's pretty quick to lay > out. > >The > >worst part of laying out the sides is the pathetic dimensioning. I > have no > >idea why anybody would use individual dimensions rather than > cumulative > >dimensions. The first thing I did was get the calculator and start > adding > >all the numbers so I could just hang the tape measure on one end > and read > >off each new station with reference to the firewall. Measuring > each bay or > >station individual with respect to the previous one is an > invitation to a > >bad case of tolerance stackup, or worse. It's close enough for KR > work, > >but > >a pain in the butt, and the reason several folks have discovered > their > >fuselage is either one bay short or one bay long! Other than that, > make > >sure the two spars are the correct distance apart. > > > > I drew mine out on the table so I could screw the positioning > blocks down > >that force the upper and lower longerons into shape. That's a > great time > >to make any changes to the plans that you want to make, mainly the > overall > >length or the addtion of a bay. Plots on paper are subject to > expansion > >and > >contraction with humidity, twisting, or accidental tearing, but > lines made > >from chalk lines (and then reinforced with a Sharpie) and a big > drywall > >T-square (from Home Depot) will stay put for a long time, and will > >definitely not move. I can still see mine on the my table top... > > > >And I'll save Virg the trouble, "build it per the plans!" > > : ) > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > >see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > >email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > a > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:29:29 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000101c5ccee$a243c400$9865fea9@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mark, Check out the www.anywheremap.com web site. They have a laptop based software which is enhanced over the Ipaq version I use in the KR. I have both and bought a Fujitsu C-500 touch screen to use with it. It works well. The C500 is outdated so I would find something different, but really like the software. Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:09 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> laptop based GPS display? KRNetHeads, It's been kinda quiet lately, and some of you guys are into this kind of stuff, so I'll go ahead and ask. I'm getting ready to buy some kind of large screen GPS display, and I'm thinking seriously about the Navearo TPad 800 (see http://www.navaero.com/t_pad/specs_touch.asp ). It's basically just a radio-width (6.2" wide x 9" tall) external screen for my laptap (which I already carry to collect EIS info). I'd be using my old Garmin GPSMap 95 for GPS info, although I'll probably buy something lighter and smaller for that job as money permits. The big question for me is what software to run. The thing has a touchscreen, and whatever will run on a laptop is accessible through this 800x600 display. True Flight doesn't appear to have road info (which might be important for "I Follow Roads" or during an engine-out landing), and the Jeppesen software doesn't appeal to me for some reason. 0 Any other suggestions as to other hardware or software suggestions are also welcome, but there is a certain appeal in having a screen that I mount to the panel, allowing the "real" hardware and software to be upgraded as technology progresses. I'm planning to spend about $2000 or so, so the TPad800 and a $500 software package would be perfect, connected to my existing equipment. I was thinking about a GPSMap 296, but the thought of having something that expensive become obsolete in a few years doesn't appeal to me. A laptop based system seems much more flexible. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 399 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================