From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 400 Date: 10/9/2005 9:00:23 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: laptop based GPS display? (Steve Glover) 2. Re: laptop based GPS display? (Joachim Saupe) 3. GPS NAVIGATION WITH WAAS (Larry H.) 4. RE: Subject: KR> laptop based GPS display? (John Bouyea) 5. RE: laptop based GPS display? (Scott William) 6. horizontal stabilizer dimensions (Don Chisholm) 7. Painting is finally done (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Plans! (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 9. Re: GPS NAVIGATION WITH WAAS (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 10. 2005 Gathering. (Joachim Saupe) 11. Re: laptop based GPS display? (larry severson) 12. A KR kind of weekend (larry flesner) 13. eaa breakfast (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 14. Re: A KR kind of weekend (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 15. Garmin 396 (Brian Kraut) 16. Re: A KR kind of weekend (Scott William) 17. carbs and flaps (Lane Meyer-Reed) 18. first low-level flight (Mark Langford) 19. RE: A KR kind of weekend (Joachim Saupe) 20. Re: horizontal stabilizer dimensions (Mark Langford) 21. Re: horizontal stabilizer dimensions (Kenneth B. Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:38:45 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000201c5ccef$ee006320$9865fea9@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The problem with the MDT's in the police cars are they are extremely heavy for our application. Many times they are not real reliable either(speaking from experience). As far as the chart thing, it is good to have but...after flying the KR across country twice, maps can be a hassle in the cockpit. Definitely a good backup to my GPS, however, for me to have all the charts I need making the trip and In unfamiliar territory, the GPS makes it much safer in our little birds. Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca Let me clarify my position here so you can understand where I am comming from. I live and do most of my flying in Florida. It's flat. 99% of the time, I use no electronic navigation....I use a chart. To me, it's simple, fun, and enjoyable. As with any pilot I know, I always know where I am at, which means I know where the nearest field is at, including farm fields. I have had two engine-outs in my lifetime. One time I made it to a field, the other I made it to a cow pasture. I count myself as lucky. You carry a laptop to store trending engine parameters. I understand your point. To me, that's just a tad bit to analytical and removes the fun of flying for me. In my years of experience building engines, I always used parameter storing devices on eveything we raced...just not what I played with for fun. Example: Motorcycles carried tire temp sensors, wheel speed sensors (coupled with tachometer readings used to determine wheel spin at differeing rpms), egt, o'2, map, tps, head temp, oil temp and pressure, ....stored in a box and downloaded later. We raced, hence we over-analyzed looking for every second of lap time we could conjure up. But that's racing, and to do that in my flying machine just removes the fun from it, for me. You look at it differently. So, to sum this up...I like to keep it as simple as possible. When I get into the rental flyer, armed with the weather report and a $100 hamburger destination, after a thorough preflight, I sprawl out the chart on my lap and away I go...happy as pig in a poke. With that said, the map unit you showed us was neat...but far too complicated for my simple tastes. However....looks like a nice unit. But instead of that, I would consider a map that runs entirely on my laptop, coupled to a GPS unit. Go look inside a police car and check out the laptop mounting systems they use in the car. They are quite simple, and could easily be adapted to an airplane. You could mount it on a swivel, to move it over to the passenger side when flying alone, or push it up against the panel when you have a passenger (can you picture what I am trying to say?) Scott --- Mark Langford wrote: > William Scott wrote: > > > a laptop. I had one. I will say this: Carrying > that > > laptop gets old. With all the new cheap > technology, > > may I suggest looking at something in the > > civilian/boating market that is less expensive and > can > > be mounted on your panel? Will it have airport > > waypoints? No. But most can be programmed for any > > along your route. > > I think you missed most of the points I tried to > make in my post. I already > carry a laptop to store information generated by the > engine information > system, and I find the benefits of trending engine > parameters far outweigh > the hassle. And I'm not about to mount a marine > GPS in my plane that has > no aviation database. What would you do when your > engine quit on a > cross-country and you needed to know the nearest 10 > airports, their > distances, and the orientation of their runways? > > I should have asked that all replies come direct to > me... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:33:03 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005100917333171@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > BTW the weather in East Anglia right now is absolutely stunning. > Frank > Does that mean it only rains twice a day? Joachim ;-} ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:24:56 -0500 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> GPS NAVIGATION WITH WAAS To: "KRNET" Message-ID: <003f01c5ccf6$5e996720$6501a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I realize that a gps unit is not what Mark is looking for but while at Oshkosh this year I looked at the Lowrance 2000C. I was really impressed with them, of course I do not own one nor have I flown with one. I have always been a Garmin lover but for just under $600.00 (at Oshkosh) I could not believe what the 2000C had to offer. I paid $1,200.00 or more for my gray scale Garmin195 years ago. I would take the larger color screen and features of the Lowrance 2000C any day, especially for less then half the price. One of the features that intrigued me was the color coding of towers that may be in your pathway and the color coding of terrain that was at higher elevation than your current elevation. It is WAAS capable or will be soon. If I understood or remember correctly it has street info as well. Check the site out below, I have looked at the site but it does no justice to the real thing. If you have a chance to see one in person then check one out I think you will be impressed also. http://www.lowrance.com/Aviation/Products/AM2000C.asp Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:24:23 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: RE: Subject: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: "KRNet" Cc: sales@flightprep.com, kyle@flightprep.com Message-ID: <000001c5cd07$0e5713a0$0201a8c0@dell4600> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mark and all. DISCLAIMER: I work for FlightPrep.Com. We created the ChartCase program Dan Michaels referenced. Dan, thanks for the plug! I am thrilled to see this discussion on the KRNet List! I am glad to see you are considering in-flight charts and mapping to assist using the XC capability of the KR. It is truly amazing what improvements have occurred over the past few years. I fly with our software, ChartCase [http://www.flightprep.com/rootpage.php?page=HomeEFBSW] in my Cardinal running on a Motion Computing tablet computer. I use a cheapo Microsoft [built by Pharos] USB GPS for position information. ChartCase displays my aircraft position directly on all the charts [Sectional, WAC, and En-Routes] as well as approach plates in real-time. In the Cardinal, I Velcro the tablet to my kneeboard. In the KR, I am going to need to fabricate a simple bracket, but hey, that should easy enough. Since you are already carrying the laptop, the software is not going to add any weight! The product features integrated flight planning. When I am on the ground [and connected to the Internet], I also get full weather briefing and charts provided through the DUATS service. This is all included in the single program You specifically asked about: * Showing roads and streets. Our software renders major highways as displayed on Sectional charts. We do have some customers who run our software and a road mapping program as a separate session * Emergency 10 nearest airports is supported in ChartCase. * In-Flight weather subscriptions are available through XM/WX. I am open to answering any questions but Note: I am traveling to Washington, DC for meetings this week, so my replies will be delayed. Sorry! You can call the office (503) 678-4360 or my cell (503) 341-9628. John Bouyea john_0310@bouyea.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: RE: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051009192830.77411.qmail@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I was kinda thinking that they were heavy. But....but....but....with Mark's engineering mind, I was just kinda trying to give him an idea to work on. Because ultimately, something you design and build yourself is far more satisfying to use. GPS is definately an advantage on CC's.... I just like to "chart it" whenever I can. I just enjoy it. (Ok, confession time....Florida is rich with landmarks, including two coast lines, and we are blesed with relatively predictable weather) I am really interested to see all the different choices the members of this group come up with. Diversity at it's best. Scott --- Steve Glover wrote: > The problem with the MDT's in the police cars are > they are extremely > heavy for our application. Many times they are not > real reliable > either(speaking from experience). As far as the > chart thing, it is good > to have but...after flying the KR across country > twice, maps can be a > hassle in the cockpit. Definitely a good backup to > my GPS, however, for > me to have all the charts I need making the trip and > In unfamiliar > territory, the GPS makes it much safer in our little > birds. > > Steve Glover > KR-2 N902G > AJO, Ca > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:29:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> horizontal stabilizer dimensions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051009192927.71657.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 With Jeff Scott's development of his KR2 seems that the KR's are on the cusp of another development phase. I remember some time ago on the net here there was talk of extending the tail boom to make the tail more effective rather than increasing the span of the h/s, elevator combination. What is the consensus at this point in time ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:38:46 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Painting is finally done To: Message-ID: <434971C6.000006.03948@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For now. I just finished painting the cowling, but will trim it out a little more later, much later. I did not like the finish on the wing stubs, so painted them again and still did not like it, so just finished the third try, and you know what they say about the third time. That is why I don't use clear coat. Maybe when I learn how to do this, I will sand it down with 400 grit and clear coat it, just for the fun of it. Of course, I am anticipating having much more fun doing something else, very soon. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:23:32 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Plans! To: flyingb@gmail.com,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051009.152614.2212.3.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:35:24 +0200 "Cris." writes: > This is just to say that this morning in Rome FCO Airport Oscar > Zuniga took > the chance of his holiday in Italy for bringing me the plans for > KR2S. > So I'm supposed to be part of the community, now :-) > > Ciao! > > Cristiano. Yeah. OZ is a heck of a guy. Always willing to make a contribution to further aviation or help another pilot. I didn't know he had escaped the country. :o) Jeff Scott ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:17:35 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> GPS NAVIGATION WITH WAAS To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051009.152614.2212.2.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:24:56 -0500 "Larry H." writes: > I realize that a gps unit is not what Mark is looking for but while > at Oshkosh this year I looked at the Lowrance 2000C. I was really > impressed with them, of course I do not own one nor have I flown > with one. I have always been a Garmin lover but for just under > $600.00 (at Oshkosh) I could not believe what the 2000C had to > offer. I paid $1,200.00 or more for my gray scale Garmin195 years > ago. I would take the larger color screen and features of the > Lowrance 2000C any day, especially for less then half the price. > One of the features that intrigued me was the color coding of towers > that may be in your pathway and the color coding of terrain that was > at higher elevation than your current elevation. It is WAAS capable > or will be soon. If I understood or remember correctly it has street > info as well. > Check the site out below, I have looked at the site but it does no > justice to the real thing. If you have a chance to see one in person > then check one out I think you will be impressed also. > > http://www.lowrance.com/Aviation/Products/AM2000C.asp > > Larry H. I have been flying with a 2000c for about 8 months now. Very nice unit. I spent 2 1/2 hours this morning picking my way through the mountains and thunderstorms home to Los Alamos from Copperstate. Very easy to program on the fly, very easy to read, very easy to use. The terrain awareness upgrade is $95. Once I started using it, I can't imaging going back to a grayscale unit. Jeff Scott N1213W ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:13:17 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: KR> 2005 Gathering. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051009221317921@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm looking for the owner of the teardrop camping trailer that was parked most of the time at the terminal parking area, hitched to a pick-up. Please contact me off net! Joachim Joachim Saupe jsaupe6848@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:58:24 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> laptop based GPS display? To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051009155531.022b1cf8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Try Mountain Scope. I think that it is the best system available, if you use the lap top in flight. (I especially like the terrain avoidance feature.) Personally, I carry a laptop GPS with me everywhere and use the Delorme Streetmap software on the ground. It has got me to destinations where mapquest and AAA have left me hanging. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:47:49 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> A KR kind of weekend To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051009194749.0087fcf0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just got back from a wonderful weekend flight in the KR. Awesome weather and smooth air for a 170 mile cross country flight to visit family. The trip out was above a scattered cloud deck that made for some awesome views. A family reunion with my 9 brothers and sisters was made much more enjoyable when I was able to eliminate 10 hours on the road and instead got to spend about 2.8 hours in the KR. A couple of buzz jobs for the family and a KR that ran smooth both ways made for a YEEE HAAAA kind of trip. With a bit of head wind both ways I was making about 160mph ground speed going and about 150 mph groundspeed on the trip home. At 6'4", I sure could use a bit more leg room for the cross country trips but my KR flys great with my feet off the rudders in calm air. Actually it flys better with my feet off the rudders. I extend my legs to the firewall between the pedals for additional comfort. I plan to empty the tanks next week so I can figure an exact fuel burn as my guages are acting a bit flakey. I made the round trip without refueling and this is the first time I've flown that amount of time at cruise power setting. Builders, keep making sawdust, the best is yet to come !!!!!!!!!!!!! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:47:19 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: KR> eaa breakfast To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <83.31c992e9.307b2227@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" well i fiannaly got to fly down to naples for the local EAA chapter breakfast ( a real good one they serve!) left around 8;30 this morning for my 80 mile trek , scattered t storms (normal around here), & all went well, called the tower & made a good landing, taxied to the eaa hanger & parked & got out & noticed massive amount of engine oil dripping out underneath! wo,,what's goin on! uncowled for a look, it was dripping everywhere. wiped it down & let it cool off, so i got in line & got breakfast & ate while talking to some of the local members about my trouble. they were very helpfull, we went out & started it up & found the oil fitting block where the original oil cooler went, blew a gasket! leaking to the tune of around a quart of oil every 3 min. wow it must have started on touchdown,lucky for me. a little more than a QT, low at that point. so one of the eaa members took me & n212kr over to his hanger & i commenced to tear down . pulled the turbo to gain access to the fitting block, found the gasket must have been installed offset form the imprint. its a wonder it didnt leak on my long trip to ohio & mt. vernon & back, but as luck has it, i made an uneventfull find & repair & 3 hrs later i was back in the air headed to venice, thanks to the guys at the naples eaa, they were real nice to help out. that's what it's all about, fellow flyers helping out ! well, now it's all over (oil) but the cleanin,,,,,,steve jones,n212kr ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:17:00 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> A KR kind of weekend To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051009.201701.716.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I got to spend a fun filed weekend with my KR as well. The plane has been flying again for 2 weeks now and has accumulated an additional 14 hours of flight time. This weekend I was off to the Copperstate Regional Fly In at Casa Grande, AZ. The flight down started with an hour of VFR on top of the clouds cruising at 9500'. Beautiful flight over top of the clouds with the mountains sticking up through them. Lee Van Dyke was already on the ground when I arrived at Casa Grande with his beautifully restored KR. Nice job Lee! Spent a fun filled weekend looking at planes topped off with my KR being awarded 1st place for "Best Custom Wood Aircraft" at the fly in. We launched off over the mountains for the 330 mile trip home picking our way around clouds and thunderstorms all the way home. I spent most of the trip throttled back to 2350 cruising along with a C-182 for an average fuel burn of 4.5 GPH for the trip. What a great little plane! Jeff Scott N1213W ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:21:50 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Garmin 396 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone used the Garmin 396 yet or any of the other units with XM satellite weather that can answer some questions for me? Contact me offline at brian@engalt.com. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> A KR kind of weekend To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051010022525.41496.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: I spent most of the trip throttled back > to 2350 cruising along > with a C-182 for an average fuel burn of 4.5 GPH for > the trip. Yea...and you forgot to mention that the 182 was WFO! Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!! Gotta luv it when a giant piece of plywood has to slow down to avoid passing $200,000 of America's finest. :-) Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:46:00 -0500 From: Lane Meyer-Reed Subject: KR> carbs and flaps To: KRnet Message-ID: <4349D5E8.7010608@bnin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Rich and I have this 20-yr old KR2 we're working on. A couple questions: 1. We have a simple Posa carb (32mm throat) on an 1835 HAPI VW engine. I guess no one does the "supercarb" retrofit to adjustable mixture anymore, so my question is, how many of you out there are flying with carbs like this, no mixture control? If we should get a different carb, can we have a few recommendations without starting a small war between opposing factions? 2. We're removing the retracts and mounting fixed Diehl tri-gear. Someone said we should consider some kind of speed-brake, either belly-board or flaps, since we won't be dropping draggy gear any more. Advice? If you write direct, please write to both of us, Rich is the cc address above. Lanemr@bnin.net ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:52:16 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> first low-level flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <024601c5cd45$9fdac7c0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" KRNetHeads, Thanks for all the hot tips on GPS software. I might have to buy Anywhere Map (assuming it works with the TPad 800), because it's on sale right now for a mere $95, as opposed to the usual $289. We'll find out tomorrow, maybe. John's Chart Case looks great too, but the discount on AWXP might tip the scales, at this point. Here's another YeeeeeeHaaaaaaa story for ya. Today I went out to the airport to check the compression on my engine. Last time I flew it, the engine was running just a tad rough as I taxiied back to the hangar. Being the pessimist that I am, I assumed the worst, that there were valve or head gasket problems, so I was prepared to check the differential compression, plugs, mixture, etc, until I figured out what the problem was. I didn't have any EIS info stored on my laptop, as the battery croaked on the way back from my father's farm, and I hadn't saved the file when it died, so I had no trend data to check. I really had no intention of flying today, figuring I'd spend the day screwing around with my "engine problem". First thing I was going to do was run up to the fuel tank and top it off with 100LL. When I went to start it, I noticed the mixture knob was pulled out about 2", oddly enough. When I fired it up, it ran great, so I figured I just might be good to go. A runup resulted in full power and proper static rpm, so I got my laptop, camera, and GPS, and took off. The ceiling was 2000' and overcast, so I couldn't climb very high, but I still flew all over the place between the three closest airports. I spent 2 full hours just cruising around doing turns-around-a-point, full blast runs, touch and goes, and just generally bumming around the local area. A full speed run at 1000' AGL in four directions yielded a top speed of 170 mph, according to the average of the GPS ground speeds. Can't wait to add wheel pants and leg fairings, spinner, and flap gap seals! All temperatures were low (highest oil temp 200F, hottest CHT was 320F) at full throttle, but the 70F ambient temps helped a lot. Before summer time I'll relocate my oil cooler inlet and tweak my plenum baffling with some vanes, but for now, this'll work great! The Corvair is one super-smooth engine! I'm finally getting over my engine-out landing enough to fly low with a little confidence! Until today I'd only landed on Hazel Green's 40' wide runway (N56ML's home now) 5 times (only when absolutely necessary to park it), because it's so narrow and short (2600'), but today I did 10 touch and goes at M82, and then came back to Hazel Green and did 3 landings. The last one was a touch and go with room to spare! I'd characterize them as "carrier" landings, at almost stall speed. GPS ground speed was right at 60 mph at "touchdown" with a 90 degree 5k crosswind, and I hit tail wheel first on one of them, but it was still a "good" landing. All in all, a neat KR day, despite the overcast skies. Rather than work on the engine, I got to hotdog around the neighborhood instead. Life is good... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:19:13 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> A KR kind of weekend To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051011031913359@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Larry, I understand getting emotional. But 10 hours on the road equals 500-600 Miles! Maybe you need to abandon the bootleggers routes! Joachim > [Original Message] > From: larry flesner > To: KRnet > Date: 09.10.2005 19:50:42 > Subject: KR> A KR kind of weekend > > > > I just got back from a wonderful weekend flight in the KR. Awesome > weather and smooth air for a 170 mile cross country flight to visit > family. The trip out was above a scattered cloud deck that made for > some awesome views. > > A family reunion with my 9 brothers and sisters was made > much more enjoyable when I was able to eliminate 10 hours > on the road and instead got to spend about 2.8 hours in the KR. A > couple of buzz jobs for the family and a KR that ran smooth both ways > made for a YEEE HAAAA kind of trip. > > With a bit of head wind both ways I was making about 160mph ground > speed going and about 150 mph groundspeed on the trip home. At 6'4", > I sure could use a bit more leg room for the cross country trips but > my KR flys great with my feet off the rudders in calm air. Actually > it flys better with my feet off the rudders. I extend my legs to the > firewall between the pedals for additional comfort. I plan to empty > the tanks next week so I can figure an exact fuel burn as my guages > are acting a bit flakey. I made the round trip without refueling and > this is the first time I've flown that amount of time at cruise power > setting. > > Builders, keep making sawdust, the best is yet to come !!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:26:17 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> horizontal stabilizer dimensions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <027401c5cd4a$602bbbc0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don Chisholm wrote: > With Jeff Scott's development of his KR2 seems that the KR's are on > the cusp > of another development phase. I remember some time ago on the net > here there was talk of extending the tail boom to make the tail more > effective rather > than increasing the span of the h/s, elevator combination. What is the consensus > at this point in time I don't think it's really changed much over the last few years. My view is that if your fuselage is already built, the thing to do is make your horizontal stablizer longer (7-8'), but if you're just starting out, make the fuselage one bay longer and keep stock KR2S horizontal and vertical stabilzer dimensions. I have a 2" taller rudder and I'd have to say that if I ever needed it, it would have to be in a 40 mph cross wind.. To answer your question about horizontal stab incidence from last week, I'd have to say that on MY plane, I MAY need a tad more of down force on the tail at this point, maybe -1 degree total, but I'm going to hold off on that until I add wheel pants and move my CG aft a little bit. Bill Clapp has his set at -.75 (just like mine) and his is perfect, so mine may very well fix itself when the CG is set closer to the middle than the front of the range. If I were just building mine again, I'd still shoot for -.75 degrees on the horizontal stab incidence. My plane is still a work in progress... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:43:55 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> horizontal stabilizer dimensions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <014c01c5cd4c$d72aeb90$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Aren't they all? >....................................., I'd still shoot for -.75 degrees >on >the > horizontal stab incidence. My plane is still a work in progress... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 400 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================