From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 41 Date: 1/29/2005 5:23:26 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. New wing (Orma) 2. Fw: From a NASA website (patrusso) 3. Re: New wing (Mark Langford) 4. Re: New wing (JAMES FERRIS) 5. Cowling (Jack Cooper) 6. fuselage shape (Ron Smith) 7. Re: fuselage shape (Dan Heath) 8. Re: New wing (Bill Starrs) 9. Re: Cowling (Mark Langford) 10. RE: New wing (Brian Kraut) 11. RE: fuselage shape (Brian Kraut) 12. RE: fuselage shape (Ron Smith) 13. Attn Aussie Pilots (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 14. Dug it out. (Mark Jones) 15. RE: fuselage shape (Scott Cable) 16. Re: New wing (JAMES FERRIS) 17. Re: Attn Aussie Pilots (Phillip Matheson) 18. RE: Dug it out. (Brian Kraut) 19. Selling my Kr? (Ron Smith) 20. Re: Selling my Kr? (robert glidden) 21. RE: Selling my Kr? (Brian Kraut) 22. RE: Selling my Kr? (Brian Kraut) 23. Hypothetical question (Bubba) 24. Re: Selling my Kr? (Mark Jones) 25. Selling my Kr? (Oscar Zuniga) 26. Re: Selling my Kr? (Ray Fuenzalida) 27. Re: Selling my Kr? (James R Freeman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:33:11 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> New wing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007601c50617$d7e59910$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net Can any of you tell me which if any of our members has built the new wing as a transition from the RAF48 stub wing? Meaning the outer panel starts at the WAF as an RAF48 and ends at the tip as the new wing section. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:50:43 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: KR> Fw: From a NASA website To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c5061a$4af984f0$6fa772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: David Russo To: Pat and Robin Russo Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:02 AM Subject: From a NASA website Basic Flying Rules: 1. Try to stay in the middle of the air. 2. Do not go near the edges of it. 3. The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space. It is much more difficult to fly there. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:00:51 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> New wing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c5061b$b4fd4cf0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orma wrote: > Can any of you tell me which if any of our members has built the new > wing as a transition from the RAF48 stub wing? Meaning the outer panel starts at the WAF as an RAF48 and ends at the tip as the new wing section. None, that I know of. I used to think that was a crazy idea, but then I saw the KR1b motorglider plans, which do exactly that, from RAF48 to GAW1 (which looks remarkably similar to the AS504x series). It's still far from optimal, as part of the speed improvment of the "new wing" is lowering the wing incidence to eliminate the "Huey effect". Still, I personally would spend the time to strip off the skin of the center section, move the aft spar up to get the incidence right, and redo the whole wing. Of course that's a lot of work, and only makes sense if your center section needs reworking anyway. That's not to say that simply morphing the two airfoils from root of outer wing to tip wouldn't be "better" than RAF48 all the way out. I don't know. Definitely uncharted territory, unless you consider the motorglider as in indication. You would definitely be a test pilot... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:04:06 -0500 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> New wing To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050129.130408.2448.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The GAW-1 airfoil is a modified Supercritical airfoil and started out as the 17% supercritical airfoil that we tested on the Navy trainer T2C and was the first supercritical airfoil to be demonstrated in flight, it has a flat pressure distribution on the upper surface that allowed laminar flow back about 55 % chord at subsonic speeds and was used on the varieasy wing. A varieasy was investigated in the NASA full scale wind tunnel to confirm this. This airfoil was used on a supercritical prop designed by Jim Raisback in the mid - seventies, He said it worked well but I never seen any data on it, it would be something to consider for the outboard 20 % of the prop that may reach supersonic speeds on the convair if you get over 3000 RPM. Supercritical does not mean the same thing as very critical as some people have indicated. It was named Supercritical because it has supersonic flow on the upper surface without shock induced separation, this can give a 15 to 20 % increase in speed without wave- drag. Sincerely James C. Ferris ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:06:56 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> Cowling To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-22005162918656437@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mark I have just gone back and reviewed your cowling page and I was wrong about the bazillion hours, it must be at least 2 bazillion hours. I have 2 questions. The two layers of carbon fiber is very flexible so did you do anything to stiffen up the cowling or is the installation of piano hinges and installation around the firewall enough? What size of spinner are you using? Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:31:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Smith Subject: KR> fuselage shape To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050129183133.5094.qmail@web81702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Knetters, In shaping my fuselage, I wanted the bottom longeron to meet the aft spar, instead of having it 1.3 inch above the bottom longeron. This made it impossible to have a straight bottom longeron back to the tail post. It is curved upwards all the way back. It looks very cool to me. Others may not like the look, I'm sure. My question is this for any of you aerodynamic types: Will that curve have any adverse effects on the flight charactoristics? I have seen other planes that have that shape. I have a fix that can bring it back to standard with very little effort, but I wondered what you guys thought. Ron Smith, Kr2s boat stage ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:57:49 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> fuselage shape To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41FBDCAD.000001.02844@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know about the aerodynamics of it, and really don't think it matters at all, but having that gap to run wires and other such stuff under, is very handy. The same might apply to the forward spar, if that were possible. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- I wanted the bottom longeron to meet the aft spar, instead of having it 1.3 inch above the bottom longeron. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:59:46 -0700 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> New wing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c50634$b4844300$e731b83f@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" very interesting . Do you have a diagram ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES FERRIS" To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: KR> New wing The GAW-1 airfoil is a modified Supercritical airfoil and started out as the 17% supercritical airfoil that we tested on the Navy trainer T2C and was the first supercritical airfoil to be demonstrated in flight, it has a flat pressure distribution on the upper surface that allowed laminar flow back about 55 % chord at subsonic speeds and was used on the varieasy wing. A varieasy was investigated in the NASA full scale wind tunnel to confirm this. This airfoil was used on a supercritical prop designed by Jim Raisback in the mid - seventies, He said it worked well but I never seen any data on it, it would be something to consider for the outboard 20 % of the prop that may reach supersonic speeds on the convair if you get over 3000 RPM. Supercritical does not mean the same thing as very critical as some people have indicated. It was named Supercritical because it has supersonic flow on the upper surface without shock induced separation, this can give a 15 to 20 % increase in speed without wave- drag. Sincerely James C. Ferris _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:42 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Cowling To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002701c50634$f8c84e30$2802a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jack Cooper. > I have just gone back and reviewed your cowling page and I was wrong about the bazillion hours, it must be at least 2 bazillion hours. I have 2 questions. The two layers of carbon fiber is very flexible so did you do anything to stiffen up the cowling or is the installation of piano hinges and installation around the firewall enough? What size of spinner are you using?< Yes, two bazillion would be closer. I was thinking that when I read your original post. Thanks for the kind words. Two layers is a little flimsy when the two halves are not connected, so on the top I added an X shaped reinforcement one layer thick about 4" wide like you often see under the hood of your car. It turns out I didn't need it, since my cooling plenums hold it up anyway. I just didn't want it to sag under all that heat that builds up on engine shutdown. You DID use the 24 ounce per yard carbon fiber didn't you? Just kiddin'...I used 5.85 ounce, two layers, and once you add piano hinges and fasten the two halves together and to the firewall, it's plenty good enough, in my opinion. It strikes me as being bettern than my brother's C-172 cowling, anyway. It certainly won't add more than about a pound or so to make it three layers all over though, if you want it beefier. I used a 10" spinner, just because that's what KRs always use, but there's no reason why a 12 or 13 wouldn't work too. But that cowling is made for a 10". Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:25:30 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> New wing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since I have to build one outboard wing on the new KR I got I was thinking about trying that. I thought that maybe a 1/8" plywood fence between the two sections would keep the airflows from interferring with each other. I was also considering just taking the glass of the stubs and redoing them. One thing that I figured would be a problem would be the rear attach fittings not lining up when the outboard panels are set at the correct incidence. Anyway, it was just a few thoughts that came into my head a few days ago and I would also be very interrested in hearing if it has been done before. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Orma Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 10:33 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> New wing Hello Net Can any of you tell me which if any of our members has built the new wing as a transition from the RAF48 stub wing? Meaning the outer panel starts at the WAF as an RAF48 and ends at the tip as the new wing section. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:34:40 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> fuselage shape To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One very important consideration that you may not be thinking of right now since you are in the boat stage is that if you bring up the bottom of the fusalage you won't be able to have your seat go as far down which will reduce your head room. Even if you are 4' tall it is still nice to have the seat as low as possible so you can get some more padding on it and so you can sell it to someone taller later. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Ron Smith Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:32 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> fuselage shape Hello Knetters, In shaping my fuselage, I wanted the bottom longeron to meet the aft spar, instead of having it 1.3 inch above the bottom longeron. This made it impossible to have a straight bottom longeron back to the tail post. It is curved upwards all the way back. It looks very cool to me. Others may not like the look, I'm sure. My question is this for any of you aerodynamic types: Will that curve have any adverse effects on the flight charactoristics? I have seen other planes that have that shape. I have a fix that can bring it back to standard with very little effort, but I wondered what you guys thought. Ron Smith, Kr2s boat stage _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Smith Subject: RE: KR> fuselage shape To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050129215701.25633.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian Kraut wrote: One very important consideration that you may not be thinking of right now since you are in the boat stage is that if you bring up the bottom of the fusalage you won't be able to have your seat go as far down which will reduce your head room. Even if you are 4' tall it is still nice to have the seat as low as possible so you can get some more padding on it and so you can sell it to someone taller later. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com Thank Brian, I raised the total fuselage height by 2 inches. I'm going to make a carbon graphite seat that rests on the floor, so I think I should have enough head room. I'm 5' 8". ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:03:29 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: KR> Attn Aussie Pilots To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050129.150329.1400.1.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If one of the Aussie pilots is in the Sidney area and would be interested in taking a friend for a ride sometime in the next few of weeks at her expense for rental and fuel, drop me an email to . She is a US licensed pilot and would love to get in the air while visiting Sidney. Thanks, Jeff Scott ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:41:45 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Dug it out. To: "Corvaircraft" , "KR Net" Message-ID: <007f01c50653$bd58e8e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I could not stand it any longer. My plane has not been out of the hanger for three weeks due to 2 to 3 feet of snow on the ramp between my hanger door and the taxiway. That ramp is about 20 feet long so that is a lot of snow. Well today, I went to the hanger and started digging. I cleared away enough snow to back my plane out of the hanger just enough to allow me to run the engine. After sitting for three weeks in temps from below zero to now 31°, she fired up on the second blade. Of course, I pulled the engine through many times before starting it up. It sure was sweet to hear it running again. Now, I am working on installing my carb heat and then it's off into the wild blue. PLEASE, someone send me some warm weather. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:23:55 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable Subject: RE: KR> fuselage shape To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050129232355.89263.qmail@web53002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ron, I created the seating for my KR-2S using an Oscar template. Oscar is a 50th percentile male torso, with 95th percentile legs. Oscar is what is used in the automotive seating industry for seat design. Once I got my seats and center console fabricated, I was amazed at how much headroom I had, and how comfortable the seats were. Mind you that I still hadn't put foam or upolstery on the seats yet, but I made allowances to make sure that I would have 35mm "meat to metal" in the back and 50mm "meat to metal" on the cushion. Just like what is used in automotive seat comfort criteria. For those non-mtric types, 25.4 mm = 1 inch. Good luck Ron Smith wrote: I raised the total fuselage height by 2 inches. I'm going to make a carbon graphite seat that rests on the floor, so I think I should have enough head room. I'm 5' 8". Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:59:11 -0500 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> New wing To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050129.185912.2448.2.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would take a good look to see if I could remove only part of the RAF-48 and glove the new airfoil shape over the old one even if I had to increase the thickness of the new airfoil. Sincerely James C. Ferris ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:18:11 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Attn Aussie Pilots To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008301c50661$2f576c20$b6b1dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeff I forwarded your request to Garry Morgan in SYDNEY. He is not on the net. He has the KR2SS, as seen on my web page below. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:24:57 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Dug it out. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Now that is determination. I have known too many people that have spent ten years building a plane only to loose their medical before it was done. Please don't have a heart attack digging 20' of snow! Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 5:42 PM To: Corvaircraft; KR Net Subject: KR> Dug it out. I could not stand it any longer. My plane has not been out of the hanger for three weeks due to 2 to 3 feet of snow on the ramp between my hanger door and the taxiway. That ramp is about 20 feet long so that is a lot of snow. Well today, I went to the hanger and started digging. I cleared away enough snow to back my plane out of the hanger just enough to allow me to run the engine. After sitting for three weeks in temps from below zero to now 31°, she fired up on the second blade. Of course, I pulled the engine through many times before starting it up. It sure was sweet to hear it running again. Now, I am working on installing my carb heat and then it's off into the wild blue. PLEASE, someone send me some warm weather. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:30:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Smith Subject: KR> Selling my Kr? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050130003042.15054.qmail@web81706.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's a list of things I would never sell or give up. My: 1. Faith 2. Wife 3. Kids 4. Country 5. Dog 6. Kr2s In that order. I can't see spending 15,000 dollars, 2500 hours, 5000 gallons of sweat, 2000 tears, 9000 grins, a gallon or 2 of blood, on a project and selling it to someone else. Ron Smith, ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:27:14 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Selling my Kr? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <036701c50662$72f13820$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You put your dog higher on the list then I would !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Here's a list of things I would never sell or give up. > > My: > > 1. Faith > 2. Wife > 3. Kids > 4. Country > 5. Dog > 6. Kr2s > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:36:14 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Selling my Kr? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You forgot the 3,000 sheets of sandpaper. Oh, and the hundreds of great KR people you meet along the way. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Ron Smith Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:31 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Selling my Kr? Here's a list of things I would never sell or give up. My: 1. Faith 2. Wife 3. Kids 4. Country 5. Dog 6. Kr2s In that order. I can't see spending 15,000 dollars, 2500 hours, 5000 gallons of sweat, 2000 tears, 9000 grins, a gallon or 2 of blood, on a project and selling it to someone else. Ron Smith, _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:39:02 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Selling my Kr? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And I thought the first one to chime in on that one would mention that the wife comes just after the KR. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of robert glidden Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:27 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Selling my Kr? You put your dog higher on the list then I would !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Here's a list of things I would never sell or give up. > > My: > > 1. Faith > 2. Wife > 3. Kids > 4. Country > 5. Dog > 6. Kr2s > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:47:37 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: KR> Hypothetical question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0a4001c50665$4cb15200$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello, I'm the new guy and about to start building a stretched KR2S, either narrowed to one fat seat or widened to two skinny ones. Well, actually more like a normal seat and a folding jumpseat, but that's a minor detail. Now the question. How strong is the structure of the KR2S as built according to plans? 200 horsepower worth? 250? I'm only planning on putting a Corvair engine in there, but if someone wanted to do something nuts and stuff in an IO-360 and go to Reno, could it handle it? My plan is to fill the fuselage sides and bottom with foam between the stringers and verticals and glass everything inside and out, vacuum bag the wing skins, etc. for reasons other than strength like cabin noise/heat and ease of assembling the wing. If it'll go 220 MPH I'll be perfectly happy. That should be enough to make a few laps at Reno. Last qualifier last year was a Vari-EZ that went 217 MPH. I don't care if I win, I just want to fly a few laps :) -- Steve mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:54:43 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Selling my Kr? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b401c50666$4edc04c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wonder where Langford's dog would be on this list? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert glidden" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:27 PM Subject: Re: KR> Selling my Kr? > > You put your dog higher on the list then I would !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Here's a list of things I would never sell or give up. > > > > My: > > > > 1. Faith > > 2. Wife > > 3. Kids > > 4. Country > > 5. Dog > > 6. Kr2s > > > ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:03:58 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Selling my Kr? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I wonder where Langford's dog would be on this list? Probably somewhere in Bavaria, if he had his druthers. OK; so I used up my Friday privileges a day late ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> Selling my Kr? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050130012307.73954.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Agree 100%. I saw the note about the dog, but I've had mine 9 years and I wasn't even a pilot when I got her. So she's in it for the long haul as well. So the KR2S is in 6th place and will never be for sale. Ray --- Ron Smith wrote: > Here's a list of things I would never sell or give > up. > > My: > > 1. Faith > 2. Wife > 3. Kids > 4. Country > 5. Dog > 6. Kr2s > > In that order. > > I can't see spending 15,000 dollars, 2500 hours, > 5000 gallons of sweat, 2000 tears, 9000 grins, a > gallon or 2 of blood, on a project and selling it to > someone else. > > Ron Smith, > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:22:45 -0500 From: James R Freeman Subject: Re: KR> Selling my Kr? To: KRnet Message-ID: <003b01c5066a$3471a410$0100a8c0@DeskTop1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ron: Keep that up and I can get You in the U.S. Marine Corp. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Smith" To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: KR> Selling my Kr? > Here's a list of things I would never sell or give up. > > My: > > 1. Faith > 2. Wife > 3. Kids > 4. Country > 5. Dog > 6. Kr2s > > In that order. > > I can't see spending 15,000 dollars, 2500 hours, 5000 gallons of > sweat, 2000 tears, 9000 grins, a gallon or 2 of blood, on a project and selling it to someone else. > > Ron Smith, > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 41 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================