From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 424 Date: 10/22/2005 7:03:37 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Gathering (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 2. Testing and speeds, and weights (Colin Rainey) 3. Sandbags (Colin Rainey) 4. Re: Sand Bag Testing (Joachim Saupe) 5. RE: Accidents (Joachim Saupe) 6. Re: Sand Bag Testing (Dennis Mingear) 7. BRS (Steve Jacobs) 8. BRS (Jaco Swanepoel) 9. Fw: KR> Gear legs and belly-boards (P.Byington) 10. Re: Accidents (Orma) 11. BRS (Steve Jacobs) 12. Re: Gathering (Dan Heath) 13. battery had bulged (Dan Heath) 14. Re: Gear legs and belly-boards (Dan Heath) 15. measure and verify the actual CG location, prior to flying. (Dan Heath) 16. Re: BRS (JAMES FERRIS) 17. KRnet problems? (Mark Langford) 18. Re: Gear legs and belly-boards (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 19. Re: BRS (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 20. Re: BRS (Ron Lee) 21. Re: battery had bulged (Mark Jones) 22. Re: BRS (Dan Heath) 23. Aviation (Orma) 24. Alternator/battery (Colin Rainey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:07:03 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Gathering To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <218.c1216b6.308b14e7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Has anybody heard from Video Bob on pics? Also - has anybody seen any pics from the Gathering 05 other than Glends's? Am looking forward to some. Bill ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:47:07 -0400 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> Testing and speeds, and weights To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-22005106224477640@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for the compliment Orma. I will try to measure up to the expectation, though I am only 5'5"....haha On a more serious note, a 60 degree bank in a LEVEL coordinated turn results in a 2 g load on the aircraft, or basically doubles the aircraft weight through load increase, and increases the stall speed of the aircraft 40%. This means that an aircraft that stalls at 55 mph will stall at 77 mph in a 60 degree level bank turn! These are aviation constants that we CFI's teach pilots. A level turn of 45 degrees bank exerts 1.5 g load. Stalls while doing these maneuvers is referred to as accelerated maneuvering stalls due to the increased stall speed caused by the increased load during the maneuver. Early in my KR testing I went out over the water just off the coast of Massey Ranch, home of William Wynne. It is my designated test area and has a great view of the NASA Shuttle Assembly building and launch platforms. It also gives me a VERY long emergency runway called a beach! Anyhow, I climbed up to 5,000' and began to get to know its behavior with gradual entry into both power on and power off stalls. They came on very gently, and I quickly began to have confidence that this airplane was going to fly very similar to the light twins that I enjoyed so much. As part of your CFI ride a candidate must demonstrate a secondary stall. Having taught several CFI students already, as well as remembering my own training, I began evaluating the KR for its behavior in a secondary stall. My plane's reaction compared very much to the subjecting a horse to an electric cattle prod. You might stay on, but it was gonna be a rough ride! The most memorable portion was the violent drop of the nose, accompanied by a negative g or 2, (my flight bag went to the ceiling), and the hard roll to the left. My next impression was that someone had snuck a NOS bottle on board, and had punched the button on that nitrous because the speed was now growing with tremendously rapid rate compared to other aircraft I had flown. I leveled off and noted my altitude and realized that 2000' had evaporated in what seemed to be less than 1 minute. This experience gave me a grave respect for getting this wonderful little bird too slow. I have spoken before about how to plan your landings in winds by adding half the gust factor to your approach speed, which has allowed me to successfully land our KR in quartering crosswinds as high as 25 knots (according to the E6B conversion chart 15 knots @ 90 degrees which compares well with a C172). My reason for pointing out the change in stall speed during maneuvers, is they also change with weight change. As you get heavier, your stall speed will increase. When first beginning to look at KRs for purchase, I read the NTSB reports on Mark L's site. A quick study of these reports found that virtually all the pilots who crashed their KRs were caused from getting too slow near the ground either on take off or landing. This aligns well with overall accidents in general aviation, that 75% occur near airports during takeoff and landing phase. From a statistical point of view, the cross controlled stall in the base to final turn has claimed more pilots than any other single maneuver, especially low timers. I am not speculating on Steve's accident. Merely relating it to the facts Mark Jones presented in his post. AOPA Air Safety Foundation sent out a newsletter this past year with several articles about the hidden danger of the base to final turns and low altitude stalls. My conclusions were that the KR is to be treated like a Mooney or Bonanza, and flown AWAY from the minimum speeds, and use things like flaps and speed brakes to help bleed off excess speed during round out and flare. I have always been bothered by pilots who brag about how slow they can get their KRs. First, all builder/pilots should know we don't have calibrated ASI's so no one knows for sure what speeds they are running. I keep hearing pilots compare to GPS, but that is GROUND SPEED not airspeed. So BE CAUTIOUS and test your speeds for stalls, etc... at altitude to find out where your stalls will occur solo, and then again with weight. You will find they do change. All high performance aircraft are unforgiving slow and near the ground to mistakes, KRs included. This one's for you Steve The Southern Rebels are playing Amazing Grace.... Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net KSFB ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:49:57 -0400 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> Sandbags To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-220051062244957359@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Use an Army sea bag for containing sandbags. It has great shape for simulating a person, and can be belted in just like a person, with an extra strap for secure locating. Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:59:11 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: Re: KR> Sand Bag Testing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051062245911796@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII WHAT???? You W/B SOME <> You're supposed to Weight and Balance before EVERY flight! If you don't, you're pulling on the devils tail. Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Dennis Mingear > > Southfield, MI ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:04:00 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> Accidents To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200510622540640@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I love you Scott! Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Scott William > To: KRnet > Date: 10/21/2005 8:28:25 PM > Subject: KR> Accidents > > > I promised not to post much, but I must share this. > > On December 19, 1999 Myself and a friend decided to ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> Sand Bag Testing To: jsaupe6848@earthlink.net, KRnet Message-ID: <20051022050600.53625.qmail@web51411.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 No, we do not preform a W/B on our Blaniks and Grobs before every flight. We do make sure that we have the correct amount of weight in each seat though, prior to launch. Denny ... --- Joachim Saupe wrote: > WHAT???? > > You W/B SOME > > < fine>> > > You're supposed to Weight and Balance before EVERY > flight! If you don't, > you're pulling on the devils tail. > > Joachim > > > [Original Message] > > From: Dennis Mingear > > > Southfield, MI > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > GOP = Greed-Oppression-Power. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:23:57 -0700 From: "Steve Jacobs" Subject: KR> BRS To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5d714$3fafa2c0$cd64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Of those all those who died in small experimental planes that crashed, how many would have been saved if they had the option of a BRS? 90%? 50%? 20%? 10%? +++++++++++++++ According to the BRS web site, more than 60 lives have been saved by that particular brand alone - they list each incident and more than half were equipment failure of some description. Anyone who believes that they are infallible, try walking across the swimming pool. If you make it to the other side. Skip the BRS. All other mere mortals already know, sht happens. Steve Zambia ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaco Swanepoel Subject: KR> BRS To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051022055454.15310.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mark, I truly respect everyone's right to make their own choices. I am glad you managed to avoid serious injury on that bike of yours. I would just like to shortly tell you were I am coming from. On 18 October 1999, whilst living on a farm near Marloth Park on the eastern side of South Africa, I was attacked by a Cape Buffalo whilst in the bush. I used to be a professional hunter and have 22 years experience without incident. On this day I was not even hunting. I sustained severe injuries which had a severe reaction on myself and my family. I had 12 operations in 5 years and died twice on the table. I was grounded for by caa for 5 years. After going through all of this, I will do ANYTHING at ANY COST to turn the odds in my favour. I do not expect you to understand, but living on the edge is one thing if you only need to worry about yourself. It is totally another when you laying in bed for 9 months, not being able to support your family and going without meals for 2 to 3 day so that your children can eat. God blessed me and gave me my life back (10 times better than before). Please make wise choices and be safe. Best Regards, Jaco Swanepoel South Africa KR2S: ZU-DVP --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:07:17 -0700 From: "P.Byington" Subject: Fw: KR> Gear legs and belly-boards To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <021801c5d6ce$dc5b38a0$13e1e404@Byington> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs and belly-boards Mark; I had the same problem with my airspeed indicater when I first flew N54PB back in 1991. I too had installed the static and pitot tube as per instructions in the manual. The resulting readings were way off. The readings changed drastically when changing gear configuration, ie up or down. I experimented with several different locations and finally installed the pitot tube on the top of the veritcal stabilizer and left the static port open inside the cabin. I calculate that I have a error of 5mph due to prop wash, I can live with that and I don't have to worry about someone (including myself) accidently snagging the pitot tube during a walk around or crawl underneath around. FYI Thanks Parley Byington N54PB Henderson Nv parley@anv.net >> Something else I determined yesterday is that propwash must be the problem > with my static system, not proximity of the wing or tire. I put a 10" > extension on the static tube and it made no difference. Readings were > way off, so I pulled the hose off after I leveled off, which opened > the static line to the cockpit interior, and everything started > reading more accurately. I did a little sanding on my wing, and when > I fired up the engine it blew the dust off 2' out from the stub wing > junction. My static/pitot tube is at the stub/outer wing junction, > just like the plans call for, but it ain't working for me! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 03:22:17 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Accidents To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00cb01c5d6d9$56ccb230$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have long understood that some people build for the sake of building and others build to feel the rush. The weak at heart sell fast and the rest of us junkies keep going back up for the ride. Orma ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:19:54 -0700 From: "Steve Jacobs" Subject: KR> BRS To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5d72c$f3ed1160$a064a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Before: I used to be a professional hunter (for 22 years in Africa) After: After going through all of this, I will do ANYTHING at ANY COST to turn the odds in my favour. ++++++++++++++++++ I was honestly surprised to see another side of ML, I read the posting twice looking for a hint of "tongue-in-cheek". Many of us enjoy the rush of running on the edge - for some it may be hunting big game, for others it may be hurtling down the side of a mountain on a bicycle. What I find interesting is how the boldness within us is very quickly quenched once things go wrong (we loose control) and slip cross the edge. Most don't get a 2nd chance, those that do always come away with a whole new outlook on life. Thanks Jaco, you helped me put things into perspective. I will learn from your tale and hopefully save the school fees. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:00:26 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering To: Message-ID: <4359FFAA.000001.02056@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Try Jack Cooper's pics. http://jackandsandycooper.com/2005gathering.html See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Date: 10/22/05 00:07:39 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Gathering Has anybody heard from Video Bob on pics? Also - has anybody seen any pics from the Gathering 05 other than Glends's? Am looking forward to some. Bill _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:16:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> battery had bulged To: Message-ID: <435A0377.000003.02056@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, So, why do you suppose that your battery was Bulged? See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:19:00 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs and belly-boards To: Message-ID: <435A0404.000005.02056@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Virgil, Can you give us some examples of your landings in a KR, to help us understand that statement. Like how to avoid too much speed, in a KR. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- If you float, you are carring too much speed on final, Virg ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:40:42 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> measure and verify the actual CG location, prior to flying. To: Message-ID: <435A091A.000007.02056@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That may not be practical most of the time. If you have done a good job on your W & B calculations and know the station of each variable, all you have to know is the weight of the variable. You then simply calculate. I am going to be using the AnyWhereMap GPS software on my PDA. I also have loaded the spreadsheet for calculating the CG, into the PDA. All I have to do is put in the weight of the fuel an passenger, and I get an instant answer. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:27:57 -0400 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> BRS To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051022.082757.1136.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Your judgement is questionable? you don't know the difference between LIBRARIAN and LIBRITARIAN? I would not ride with you and be sure anyone else knows about this before they get in an airplane with you. Sincerely Jim On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:15:23 -0600 Ron Lee writes: > Ron, your career choice as a LIBRARIAN is fine but not relevant to > this discussion. By "bad decisions" surely you mean something > that could get you killed dead. I am very careful about my flying > and cancel on many occasions if I do not like the conditions. > > You are right that better pilots than I get killed. But their > better > piloting skills cannot overcome stupid decisions such as the pilot > who landed in Little Rock late at night after a long day during a > severe thunderstorm. Very dumb..and deadly. > > I make up for less than Chuck Yeager skills (which I will never > have) with judgement. > > And per another post, I hope that you have done the structural > analysis to verify that your BRS installation will not destroy the > aircraft upon activation. > > If I were really concerned about my safety, I would wear my chest > mount > reserve. > > Ron Lee > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:57:34 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> KRnet problems? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001601c5d708$2c400330$0202a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I get at least one or two messages a day from people who: - quit getting messages - get too many messages - changed their email address and can't figure out why they don't get messages anymore - sent attachments to the list and don't understand why "I" kept them from going through - want to unsubscribe from the list but can't figure out how - don't understand where the escribe archive went - etc, etc, etc... Rather than emailing me to do it, simply go to the link http://www.krnet.org/info.html (which is clearly printed at the bottom of EVERY message sent out from the list) and read until you figure it out! I have YET to see a problem that the list actually caused. There has been a perfectly plausible explanation for every problem that I've seen with this list, and most are user error. Others are the user's ISP's error, but I believe I have compiled a description of them all, and posted them at the top of http://www.krnet.org/info.html , along with links to places where you can change your list options, such as digest modes, password changes, etc. Please read it before you ask me to do something for you. I'm running out of patience. The "escribe" list archive has been dead for months. If you need to check posted messages directly on the web, KRnet has it's own archive, available at http://mylist.net/private/krnet/ You'll need your password again, so go back and read to previous paragraph to figure out how to get it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:49:54 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs and belly-boards To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051022.085342.3740.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In any aircraft, the idea is to touch down at minimum speed. This you learned in flight school or from your instructor. Regardless of the aircraft, if you float on landing, your touchdown speed was too fast. Stick and Rudder is an excellent place to get this information. Perfect practice makes perfect landings. NOW, what you all want to hear, NO I have never flown and landed any KR aircraft. As the rules for lift do not change, excess speed on landing will ALWAYS cause the aircraft to FLOAT, Virg Go ahead, I have broad shoulders and a DELETE KEY HUFF PUFF On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:19:00 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > Virgil, > > Can you give us some examples of your landings in a KR, to help us > understand that statement. Like how to avoid too much speed, in a KR. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > is over. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > -------Original Message------- > If you float, you are carring too much speed on final, Virg > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:53:33 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> BRS To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051022.085342.3740.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LIBERTARIAN?? , Virg Pot and Kettle situation! On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:27:57 -0400 JAMES FERRIS writes: > Your judgement is questionable? you don't know the difference > between > LIBRARIAN and LIBRITARIAN? I would not ride with you and be sure > anyone > else knows about this before they get in an airplane with you. > Sincerely > Jim > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:15:23 -0600 Ron Lee > writes: > > Ron, your career choice as a LIBRARIAN is fine but not relevant to > > this discussion. By "bad decisions" surely you mean something > > that could get you killed dead. I am very careful about my > flying > > and cancel on many occasions if I do not like the conditions. > > > > You are right that better pilots than I get killed. But their > > better > > piloting skills cannot overcome stupid decisions such as the > pilot > > who landed in Little Rock late at night after a long day during a > > severe thunderstorm. Very dumb..and deadly. > > > > I make up for less than Chuck Yeager skills (which I will never > > have) with judgement. > > > > And per another post, I hope that you have done the structural > > analysis to verify that your BRS installation will not destroy > the > > aircraft upon activation. > > > > If I were really concerned about my safety, I would wear my chest > > > mount > > reserve. > > > > Ron Lee > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:26:14 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> BRS To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051022063749.01c2c100@mail.pcisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:27 AM 10/22/2005, you wrote: >Your judgement is questionable? you don't know the difference between >LIBRARIAN and LIBRITARIAN? I would not ride with you and be sure anyone >else knows about this before they get in an airplane with you. >Sincerely Jim Jim, you need to see tongue-in-cheek humor. What the original poster meant to type was "libertarian"..not "libritarian" which is not a word. Hence my play on words to change that to "librarian" which is a word. You do not know me and you apparently disagree with my position on BRS and that is fine but it is a fact that I am a very safe pilot largely because of my superior judgement. And my piloting skills are improving due to the effort I am taking on my instrument course. So if you judge a pilot by his ability to spell then not only am I good there but you are suspect! :) Now get back to building or flying Jim and I am going back to studying for my written test. Grumble grumble. Ron Lee Do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:30:34 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> battery had bulged To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007901c5d70c$c86886c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The battery is a Power Sonic http://www.portablepower.com/items/batteries/SLA/1/Powersonic/PS-12180/PS-12180NB/SL105/35L105S3 PS-12180NB. This is a UPS (uninteruptable power supply) type battery and is optimized by a charge rate of 5.4A till it reaches 14.4 to 14.7 volts. Once fully charged this type of battery must have a charger that either shuts itself down or goes into a float voltage mode. A float mode for this battery is a constant charge range of 13.8 to 13.8 volts continuously. When held at this voltage the battery will seek it's own current level and maintain itself in a fully charged condition. I am running the John Deere dynamo system and this system emits a continuous charge rate of 14.5 volts. This extra voltage can not be tolerated by this UPS battery and I speculate that it heated the battery up causing the bulging of the side. There is a possibility, under these circumstances that the battery case could rupture/explode while in flight which would create unwanted circumstances. I promoted this as a good Sealed Lead Acid Battery to use in our aircraft. I have now flight tested this battery and DO NOT recommend it any longer. Mark Langford, I suggest you remove yours and replace it as well as anyone else who may have one. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:16 AM Subject: KR> battery had bulged > Mark, > So, why do you suppose that your battery was Bulged? > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in > Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a > time for FLYING and the time for building > is over. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:41:33 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> BRS To: Message-ID: <435A418D.000001.00912@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For all you netters who do not already know, example: "Ron Lee Do not archive" This does not prevent archiving. I suggest that if you don't want it archived, that you send it directly to the person you intend to receive it. All messages are archived if any are archived. This is not a manual process See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:52:55 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Aviation To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00f501c5d70f$e8bb56c0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I entered aviation professionally at the age of 19 by entering the Airforce, Since then in my mechanical capacity I have worked in Airlines, Corporate, Freight, Air Taxi, and Flight schools. I learned to fly 22 years ago. I am now 58. So What you say. >From what I have experienced people fly for different reasons. The type of plane they fly gives them different emotions. The commercial guys fly for money, they don't always enjoy it. The young flight instructors fly as a means to get to commercial goals, sometimes they don't enjoy it. To keep the boring reading down, I'll jump to the KR. Why build and fly the KR? Why put in a Corvair, vs. a 1835. Why stress it to plus 6, minus 4. Do I need to say that IT'S CHEAP, EASY TO BUILD, GOES REAL FAST AND MOST OF ALL IT EXCITES SOME OF OUR PRIMITIVE EMOTIONS. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:03:02 -0400 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> Alternator/battery To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-22005106221432671@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mark, Your observation is why I elected to go with a late model CS alternator from GM. It has the capability to deliver up to 80 amps continuous draw, with internal self regulation, self cooling with its own fan, and 3 wire hook up to the system. It weighs twice what the Dynamo system weighs, but is totally self contained, and is readily available at any auto parts supply house (from a 1992 Chevy Cavalier). I will use a wet battery, with a cooled complete cover, and main bus bar for power to the fuse panel, and battery. Even failing, the output at half rated output is more than my whole draw. Also, it will adjust to the load unlike the Dynamo system. I can monitor with a simple voltmeter. Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 424 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================