From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 425 Date: 10/22/2005 9:00:24 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: measure and verify the actual CG location, prior to flying. (Orma) 2. Re: measure and verify the actual CG location, prior to flying. (Dan Heath) 3. dragonfly canopies (Don Chisholm) 4. RE: battery had bulged (Ron Freiberger) 5. Re: battery had bulged (Ron Lee) 6. Re: BRS (patrusso) 7. RE: battery had bulged (Al Hawkins) 8. Re: battery had bulged (billstarrs@peoplepc.com) 9. Re: BRS (billstarrs@peoplepc.com) 10. Re: Testing and speeds, and weights (billstarrs@peoplepc.com) 11. RE: Steve Jones (EAA Memorial Wall) (Brian Kraut) 12. Re: battery had bulged (Mark Langford) 13. Re: battery had bulged (Mark Jones) 14. Murphy's Laws & Corollaries (Robert Morrissey) 15. Re: Help! What have I gotten myself into? [LOL] (Lee Van Dyke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:03:11 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> measure and verify the actual CG location, prior to flying. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <010401c5d711$57f61c90$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original "and know the station of each variable" Dan for some reason I just don't think that placing a 40 pound weight that has a area of 2 square feet can accurately be calculated. Perhaps it would be better to do a W/B with a live 200 pound person and see just where the CofG is. If I remember correctly when you did your W/B you used a real person. Orma ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:18:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> measure and verify the actual CG location, prior to flying. To: Message-ID: <435A4A25.000001.03264@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Indeed I did, in fact with two persons and then averaged the two. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- Perhaps it would be better to do a W/B with a live 200 pound person and see just where the CofG is. If I remember correctly when you did your W/B you used a real person. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> dragonfly canopies To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051022143938.69708.qmail@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 who supplies Dart industries ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:26:34 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> battery had bulged To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5d72d$c0ac1390$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That 5.4 Amp Charge rate is a rel tipoff. Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net This is a UPS (uninteruptable power supply) type battery and is optimized by a charge rate of 5.4A till it reaches 14.4 to 14.7 volts. Once fully charged this type of battery must have a charger that either shuts itself down or goes into a float voltage mode. A ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:39:00 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> battery had bulged To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051022113759.01c32c70@mail.pcisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > I have now flight tested this battery and DO NOT recommend it any > longer. Mark >Langford, I suggest you remove yours and replace it as well as anyone else >who may have one. Many RVs use Odyssey batteries: http://www.odysseybatteries.com/ I use the PC-680 Ron Lee ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:28 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> BRS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c5d735$b34bb950$a9a672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original One LAST word....L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N! ----- Original Message ----Libritarion ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:34:16 -0700 From: "Al Hawkins" Subject: RE: KR> battery had bulged To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000401c5d750$5ac0d6b0$6702a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am using the compufire voltage regulator for Harleys designed for sealed lead acid batteries. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+awh.hawkins=telus.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+awh.hawkins=telus.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: October 22, 2005 6:31 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> battery had bulged The battery is a Power Sonic http://www.portablepower.com/items/batteries/SLA/1/Powersonic/PS-12180/P S-12180NB/SL105/35L105S3 PS-12180NB. This is a UPS (uninteruptable power supply) type battery and is optimized by a charge rate of 5.4A till it reaches 14.4 to 14.7 volts. Once fully charged this type of battery must have a charger that either shuts itself down or goes into a float voltage mode. A float mode for this battery is a constant charge range of 13.8 to 13.8 volts continuously. When held at this voltage the battery will seek it's own current level and maintain itself in a fully charged condition. I am running the John Deere dynamo system and this system emits a continuous charge rate of 14.5 volts. This extra voltage can not be tolerated by this UPS battery and I speculate that it heated the battery up causing the bulging of the side. There is a possibility, under these circumstances that the battery case could rupture/explode while in flight which would create unwanted circumstances. I promoted this as a good Sealed Lead Acid Battery to use in our aircraft. I have now flight tested this battery and DO NOT recommend it any longer. Mark Langford, I suggest you remove yours and replace it as well as anyone else who may have one. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:16 AM Subject: KR> battery had bulged > Mark, > So, why do you suppose that your battery was Bulged? > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in > Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a > time for FLYING and the time for building > is over. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:30:59 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> battery had bulged To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c5d758$499320c0$3becf004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I HAVE A USE CAR BATTERY FOR MY 1600 CC vw cost $15 works fine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Hawkins" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:34 PM Subject: RE: KR> battery had bulged I am using the compufire voltage regulator for Harleys designed for sealed lead acid batteries. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+awh.hawkins=telus.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+awh.hawkins=telus.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: October 22, 2005 6:31 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> battery had bulged The battery is a Power Sonic http://www.portablepower.com/items/batteries/SLA/1/Powersonic/PS-12180/P S-12180NB/SL105/35L105S3 PS-12180NB. This is a UPS (uninteruptable power supply) type battery and is optimized by a charge rate of 5.4A till it reaches 14.4 to 14.7 volts. Once fully charged this type of battery must have a charger that either shuts itself down or goes into a float voltage mode. A float mode for this battery is a constant charge range of 13.8 to 13.8 volts continuously. When held at this voltage the battery will seek it's own current level and maintain itself in a fully charged condition. I am running the John Deere dynamo system and this system emits a continuous charge rate of 14.5 volts. This extra voltage can not be tolerated by this UPS battery and I speculate that it heated the battery up causing the bulging of the side. There is a possibility, under these circumstances that the battery case could rupture/explode while in flight which would create unwanted circumstances. I promoted this as a good Sealed Lead Acid Battery to use in our aircraft. I have now flight tested this battery and DO NOT recommend it any longer. Mark Langford, I suggest you remove yours and replace it as well as anyone else who may have one. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:16 AM Subject: KR> battery had bulged > Mark, > So, why do you suppose that your battery was Bulged? > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in > Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a > time for FLYING and the time for building > is over. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:42:59 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> BRS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003601c5d759$f53109a0$3becf004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glad to hear your story Jaco . In 1978 I flew into a gas truck and did not walk away. 18 days in the hospital and 6 compressed vertebrae did not teach me enough . I continued sky diving until I broke my leg in 3 places. I'm a little bit wiser now but not very . God has been very good to me and my family in spit of my stupidity.Bill Starrs Clarkdale,AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaco Swanepoel" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:54 PM Subject: KR> BRS Mark, I truly respect everyone's right to make their own choices. I am glad you managed to avoid serious injury on that bike of yours. I would just like to shortly tell you were I am coming from. On 18 October 1999, whilst living on a farm near Marloth Park on the eastern side of South Africa, I was attacked by a Cape Buffalo whilst in the bush. I used to be a professional hunter and have 22 years experience without incident. On this day I was not even hunting. I sustained severe injuries which had a severe reaction on myself and my family. I had 12 operations in 5 years and died twice on the table. I was grounded for by caa for 5 years. After going through all of this, I will do ANYTHING at ANY COST to turn the odds in my favour. I do not expect you to understand, but living on the edge is one thing if you only need to worry about yourself. It is totally another when you laying in bed for 9 months, not being able to support your family and going without meals for 2 to 3 day so that your children can eat. God blessed me and gave me my life back (10 times better than before). Please make wise choices and be safe. Best Regards, Jaco Swanepoel South Africa KR2S: ZU-DVP --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:55:04 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> Testing and speeds, and weights To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <008e01c5d75b$a563e3f0$3becf004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you Colin I printed your reply. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Rainey" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: KR> Testing and speeds, and weights Thanks for the compliment Orma. I will try to measure up to the expectation, though I am only 5'5"....haha On a more serious note, a 60 degree bank in a LEVEL coordinated turn results in a 2 g load on the aircraft, or basically doubles the aircraft weight through load increase, and increases the stall speed of the aircraft 40%. This means that an aircraft that stalls at 55 mph will stall at 77 mph in a 60 degree level bank turn! These are aviation constants that we CFI's teach pilots. A level turn of 45 degrees bank exerts 1.5 g load. Stalls while doing these maneuvers is referred to as accelerated maneuvering stalls due to the increased stall speed caused by the increased load during the maneuver. Early in my KR testing I went out over the water just off the coast of Massey Ranch, home of William Wynne. It is my designated test area and has a great view of the NASA Shuttle Assembly building and launch platforms. It also gives me a VERY long emergency runway called a beach! Anyhow, I climbed up to 5,000' and began to get to know its behavior with gradual entry into both power on and power off stalls. They came on very gently, and I quickly began to have confidence that this airplane was going to fly very similar to the light twins that I enjoyed so much. As part of your CFI ride a candidate must demonstrate a secondary stall. Having taught several CFI students already, as well as remembering my own training, I began evaluating the KR for its behavior in a secondary stall. My plane's reaction compared very much to the subjecting a horse to an electric cattle prod. You might stay on, but it was gonna be a rough ride! The most memorable portion was the violent drop of the nose, accompanied by a negative g or 2, (my flight bag went to the ceiling), and the hard roll to the left. My next impression was that someone had snuck a NOS bottle on board, and had punched the button on that nitrous because the speed was now growing with tremendously rapid rate compared to other aircraft I had flown. I leveled off and noted my altitude and realized that 2000' had evaporated in what seemed to be less than 1 minute. This experience gave me a grave respect for getting this wonderful little bird too slow. I have spoken before about how to plan your landings in winds by adding half the gust factor to your approach speed, which has allowed me to successfully land our KR in quartering crosswinds as high as 25 knots (according to the E6B conversion chart 15 knots @ 90 degrees which compares well with a C172). My reason for pointing out the change in stall speed during maneuvers, is they also change with weight change. As you get heavier, your stall speed will increase. When first beginning to look at KRs for purchase, I read the NTSB reports on Mark L's site. A quick study of these reports found that virtually all the pilots who crashed their KRs were caused from getting too slow near the ground either on take off or landing. This aligns well with overall accidents in general aviation, that 75% occur near airports during takeoff and landing phase. From a statistical point of view, the cross controlled stall in the base to final turn has claimed more pilots than any other single maneuver, especially low timers. I am not speculating on Steve's accident. Merely relating it to the facts Mark Jones presented in his post. AOPA Air Safety Foundation sent out a newsletter this past year with several articles about the hidden danger of the base to final turns and low altitude stalls. My conclusions were that the KR is to be treated like a Mooney or Bonanza, and flown AWAY from the minimum speeds, and use things like flaps and speed brakes to help bleed off excess speed during round out and flare. I have always been bothered by pilots who brag about how slow they can get their KRs. First, all builder/pilots should know we don't have calibrated ASI's so no one knows for sure what speeds they are running. I keep hearing pilots compare to GPS, but that is GROUND SPEED not airspeed. So BE CAUTIOUS and test your speeds for stalls, etc... at altitude to find out where your stalls will occur solo, and then again with weight. You will find they do change. All high performance aircraft are unforgiving slow and near the ground to mistakes, KRs included. This one's for you Steve The Southern Rebels are playing Amazing Grace.... Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net KSFB _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:58:52 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Steve Jones (EAA Memorial Wall) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have been in touch with the president of Steve's EAA chapter and they will also contribute to the memorial wall. For those of you that have not already contributed please still send something to Mark Jones if you can. One of the greatest gifts I have received from my involvment in KRs is being a part of the KR family. Those of you that are new or have not attended many of the events (gathering, Sun and Fun, Oshkosh, etc.) may not realize what we have, but you will if you stick around. They are gathering letters and emails to forward to Steve's family and I can pass on anything that any of you want to send. I have not directly spoke to Steve's family, but I have spoke to several people that have and they have all told me that they really appreciate the outpouring of support from friends and fellow pilots that they have received so far. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:30 PM To: KR Net (E-mail) Cc: CorvAircraft (E-mail) Subject: KR> Steve Jones (EAA Memorial Wall) Steve Jones was an inspiration to the KR Family and I would like to recognize his dedication to the KR and the Corvair engine by honoring him with a memorial on the EAA Memorial Wall in Oshkosh, WI. For those of you unfamiliar with this, here is the link so you can understand what I am talking about: http://www.airventure.org/2005/events/memorial_wall.html A lot of you are new to the KR Family and may not know but I did this with donations from you for Ken Rand a few years ago. This gesture was more than appreciated by the Rand family, as I am sure Steve Jones' family would be honored to know we recognized Steve in such a manner. It is my understanding that Steve has no wife or children which is a blessing in itself, therefore, what better way could we remember Steve than to have his memorial permanently placed in a location he so much loved. If you would like to contribute to the Steve Jones EAA Memorial Fund please do so one of two ways: Send funds using PayPal www.paypal.com account flykr2s@wi.rr.com . (My e-mail address is the PayPal account number). or Mail to: Mark Jones 615 Wexford Circle Wales, WI 53183 The Memorial Wall dedication service will take place during AirVenture 2006. Any amount over the required amount for the Memorial will be donated to the KR Gathering Fund. Thanks, Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:31:16 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> battery had bulged To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00cb01c5d769$14f36300$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark Jones wrote: > I have now flight tested this battery and DO NOT recommend it any longer. Mark > Langford, I suggest you remove yours and replace it as well as anyone else > who may have one. Hmmmm. My flight test doesn't match your flight test. My battery is mounted on the cabin side of the firewall, and I think yours is on the engine side. I inspected mine today, and it still looks perfectly new. Of course mine might explode at any minute. Given that the engine side (on my airplane anyway) is about 80 degrees hotter than the cabin side (not counting radiation), I'd say I might have a bit of margin left in my case. Thanks for establishing the upper limit for me though, Mark! For now I think I'm good to go, but might look into a regulator that's a little smarter than the one I have now. I basically stripped the whole top off of mine today, removing cowling, forward deck/canopy, and aft deck, so I can do some overdue maintenance. It's supposed to be crappy for the next few days, so it's a good time for that sort of thing. Little stuff like moving the static port (again), adding a fuel totalizer, making the fuel system totally redundant, and mounting the auxillary display to my panel for my laptop. It brought out all the hangar hounds from around the airport for a look. "Field stripping" makes maintenance pretty easy. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/05102208m.jpg ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:06:18 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> battery had bulged To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00dc01c5d76d$f9b198a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It brought out > all the hangar hounds from around the airport for a look. "Field stripping" > makes maintenance pretty easy. See > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/05102208m.jpg ... > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama Now that looks more like a project airplane than a flying airplane. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:00:36 -0400 From: "Robert Morrissey" Subject: KR> Murphy's Laws & Corollaries To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c5d775$90a057e0$6402a8c0@com.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We have read our way though all the ballistic chute discussion and to date there is no mention of Murphy. So I will put in my 2 cents worth. Some thoughts on chutes and how those "to have or not to have" decisions can be impacted by Mr. Murphy and his law. Murphy's Law states "If anything can go wrong, it will". Put the subject into Google and enjoy reading the details. In my career in the aviation industry for both McDonnell and the US Navy/Marine Corp, I was heavily involved in keeping aircraft flying,maintained, crash repaired, improved and worst of all, evaluating crashed aircraft. The evaluation of the crashed aircraft remains involved identifying, for the accident board, any system failures,structural failures, positions of flight controls, panel indicator lights, and any other contributing factors resulting from the aircraft flight or impact. Why do I bring Murphy into this?. Because I got to see for myself and read about Murphy in action. Murphy is not the actual piloting of the aircraft. Murphy is all the things involved with flight and the act of making decisions while flying. The wrong fuel, improper maintenance, making a calculated decision to fly on battery power because the generator is not working, the nickel coin that jams the elevator flight control bellcrank, or the weather that is ok now so if I hurry I can make it to my home base before it gets worse. (This had its own name, Hurry Up Itis, and is a very deadly disease.) Murphy has been known to test the really good pilots by making a series of negative events occur in a specific situation to test the pilots ability to adapt to a steadily deteriorating situation. Most pilots fail this test and the cost is usually very steep. Some examples of Murphy in action. I remember an H-53 helo that was practicing descending race track patterns over the coast of Virginia. Along comes a fish spotter, with 3000 plus hours, looking for schools of fish and contacting the fishing boats so they can intercept the migrating fish. You guessed it, the H-53 settled right on top of the fish spotter and took off part of his left wing while his prop ate up the lower right aft fuselage of the helo. The fish spotter died on impact with the water and the helo made it back to base. The FAA complained that the fish spotter had his seat belt on " too loose" If you are in your F-14 and are performing a tight left turn, with high angle of attack, at low speed, with high power on both engines and the left engine has a major failure you will go into a flat spin so rapidly that if you do not punch out immediately you will ride it to the ground. The spin is sooo fast that the centrifugal force will prevent you or your back seater from reaching the upper or lower ejection seat handles. At a recent USMC Cherry Point airshow there was a demonstration flight by two Globe Swifts. The routine was going great and was very professional looking. All of a sudden one of the acft pulled up and away and made an immediate landing, followed my his partner making a conventional landing. ( nothing like 8000 foot runways). I was fortunate to see the aircraft that had departed the routine being towed to a hanger. It did not look too airworthy with half the prop missing and the engine and part of the cowling hanging straight down at greater than a 45 degree angle. God was his copilot that day. Remember, Murphy rules! All we can hope to do is, design him out, maintain him away, and build in redundancy/ back up/fail safe systems to protect our butt. Bob Morrissey ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:42:33 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Re: KR> Help! What have I gotten myself into? [LOL] To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <031d01c5d77b$6fdc1250$6401a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have the old retracts and like them, On the other things, my Dad started what you are thinking of dong and 16 years later I bought the plane from him, he never got the plane ready to fly again, and I had to buy it and get in flying again. BOTTOM LINE //// FLY IT .YYYEEEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lowerre" To: Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: KR> Help! What have I gotten myself into? [LOL] > Hello KR owners, > Here's the thing. I've always wanted a KR.A few months ago fuel prices got me to sell my Bellanca Viking. [ 16 gph cruise,23 on takeoff.I'm usually by myself anyway].So I bought a KR2 project, for $5500.Good quality construction,has flown, a few blisters in the wings that I need to repair BUT doesn't look like I can match the paint...... so I'll repaint the wings.....Oh why not the whole plane! Engine's good [Revmaster 2100D] BUT hey, the factory is only 60 miles away....I'll have them tear it down and inspect it....oh let's just overhaul the whole thing.....Cheap insurance,right! Then there's that retract gear.....It seems fine BUT no one's using it anymore. AND what about those mechanical brakes! Then there's all those cool looking canopy's!!!!................................ > Oh where will it end? Where should it end? Projects' lots of fun but when/where do I say no more AND'S or BUT's and just go flying? Are all projects like this? Is there no end to it all? Help!! I'm open to suggestions............Fred > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 425 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================