From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 428 Date: 10/24/2005 9:00:37 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. R?f. : Re: KR> BRS (Serge VIDAL) 2. Re: First Weight Numbers (Barry Kruyssen) 3. Re: Re: "Stick and Rudder" (Ron Smith) 4. Re: Gathering photos (Robert L. Stone) 5. Re: Gathering photos (phil brookman) 6. RE: Gathering photos (Ron Lee) 7. Re: Gathering photos (JAMES FERRIS) 8. NOSE GEAR LANDINGS (Larry H.) 9. new e-mail test- delete (flesner) 10. new e-mail address (flesner) 11. A Few questions from a porspective builder. (Ray Murphy) 12. Re: A Few questions from a porspective builder. (w.higdon9604@comcast.net) 13. Re: A Few questions from a porspective builder. (Dan Heath) 14. Re: A Few questions from a porspective builder. (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 15. Re: A Few questions from a porspective builder. (Ron Smith) 16. Re: A Few questions from a porspective builder. (Mark Langford) 17. Re: A Few questions from a porspective builder. (martha@simerson.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:30:10 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> BRS To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, all I know about LIBRITARIAN is that my English dictionary has never heard of it! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France JAMES FERRIS Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-10-22 14:27 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-10-22 14:29 Pour : krnet@mylist.net cc : krnet@mylist.net, (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> BRS Your judgement is questionable? you don't know the difference between LIBRARIAN and LIBRITARIAN? I would not ride with you and be sure anyone else knows about this before they get in an airplane with you. Sincerely Jim On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:15:23 -0600 Ron Lee writes: > Ron, your career choice as a LIBRARIAN is fine but not relevant to > this discussion. By "bad decisions" surely you mean something > that could get you killed dead. I am very careful about my flying > and cancel on many occasions if I do not like the conditions. > > You are right that better pilots than I get killed. But their > better > piloting skills cannot overcome stupid decisions such as the pilot > who landed in Little Rock late at night after a long day during a > severe thunderstorm. Very dumb..and deadly. > > I make up for less than Chuck Yeager skills (which I will never > have) with judgement. > > And per another post, I hope that you have done the structural > analysis to verify that your BRS installation will not destroy the > aircraft upon activation. > > If I were really concerned about my safety, I would wear my chest > mount > reserve. > > Ron Lee > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:47:20 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> First Weight Numbers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002801c5d875$7915eb20$0606070a@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good to see you making progress Phil ! regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Matheson To: KRnet Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: KR> First Weight Numbers I assembled my complete KR last night, I just weighed it. Less the instruments, Prop & spinner, inner wing skins ( they get in the way of building) left Aileron balance weight. Kgs Front Wheel = 98 R/ Wheel = 92.3 L/Wheel = 91.6 Total 281.9Kgs Lbs F/W = 216 # R/W = 205.6# L/W = 201.9 Total 628.9 lbs A bit lighter would have been better. Back to sanding , cowl and wings Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:33:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: Re: KR> Re: "Stick and Rudder" To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051024083314.87348.qmail@web81708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Mark Jones wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > > > > I got a real kick out of where he talks about > tri-gear as "the new safety > > gear" > > All the hype on tail draggers over the past few > months is making me feel > like a "red headed step child". Hmmmmmmmmm could my > tri gear emerge as a > tail dragger in the spring like a caterpillar > emerging from a cocoon as a > butterfly. Nahhhh, you guys need someone to pick > on. I do have major plans > for my plane over the next few months though while > we are in the frozen > months here. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > Hi Mark, I really enjoyed seeing the photos of your Kr at the Gathering. All that talk of how to land a tail dragger makes me sure I want a Trigear. I like Flying. I want flights, and landings, minus the FAA investigations. Oh yeah I want an automatic transmission in my car too. :) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:55:55 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering photos To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <00db01c5d8a2$a7949000$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Joachim. The picture with this number P1020702 in the Album is the KR-2 belonging to Brian Douglas, Killeen, Texas Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Saupe" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: KR> Gathering photos > Gang, > I just made a yahoo photo album of the KR gathering 2005. Yeah, horray > to > me (I'm new to this)! If any one can help me with identifying planes or > people, please send me an e-mail so I can put captions to all the photos. > www.photos.yahoo.com/jsaupe > > Joachim > > > Joachim Saupe > jsaupe6848@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:15:33 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering photos To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <006101c5d8ad$c7915720$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 hi just clicked on the link and it says incorrect url be real interrested tosee phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Saupe" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:35 AM Subject: KR> Gathering photos > Gang, > I just made a yahoo photo album of the KR gathering 2005. Yeah, horray > to me (I'm new to this)! If any one can help me with identifying planes or people, please send me an e-mail so I can put captions to all the photos. > www.photos.yahoo.com/jsaupe > > Joachim > > > Joachim Saupe > jsaupe6848@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 > > ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 24473 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:35:05 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: RE: KR> Gathering photos To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051024093445.01c38d78@mail.pcisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Try this http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jsaupe/my_photos ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:09:18 -0400 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Gathering photos To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051024.120918.956.1.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Great photos, a real blessing to those of us who couldn't get there. Thanks Jim On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:35:05 -0600 Ron Lee writes: > Try this > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jsaupe/my_photos > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:05:55 -0500 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> NOSE GEAR LANDINGS To: "krnet talk" Message-ID: <007801c5d8bd$3341dc60$6501a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I attended a really neat flyin in East Texas this weekend. The place has a grass landing strip and is sandy soil. It has been dry there lately so it was kinda soft I guess you could say, at least after 400 airplanes had landed on it. I was standing watching planes come and go. A unbelieveably beautifull RV6A landed, he seemed to have landed a little fast but what happened was sad. I noticed that the plane was bouncing as normal because of the not perfectly smooth terrain/runway. It looked to me like the guy was not holding enough aft stick just by looking at the elevator, plus he may have been on the brakes. As the plane was sorta bouncing up and down because of terrain it just seemed like he was letting too much weight be on the nose wheel ( remember soft field landing technique? hold the elevator all the way back once down, keep weight off of nose wheel on a nose wheel airplane). The bouncing, plus maybe braking, plus the leverage of the horizontal piece of metal on the side of a RV nose wheel bracketcoming from the pivot point to the axle caused the leading edge of the bracket to go downward and start digging into the ground. I don't know if the nose landing gear had already bent at this point but it started digging in more and more, and I believe this was worsened by the guy probably applying brakes. The planes nose gear finally dug in, the prop hit the ground then in seemingly slow motion the tail came up the nose bowl contacted the ground and the plane flipped upside down and slapped the ground with the verticle tail. Pieces of plexiglass broke and you could hear weird crashing metal noises as the plane slapped the ground upside down. There was enough of us there to run immediately lift the plane high enough to get the two occupants out, then we flipped the plane back to it's mains and rolled it off to the side. Fortunately the two inside had minor injuries as far as we could tell. The builder pilot had some cuts and bruises, I think from the plexiglass. It was sharp as a razorblade at some of the broken edges. He had to go to the hospital for some stitches and I never heard if anything else was wrong with him. This plane had the sliding rearward canopy that you see on RVs. The front roll bar was bent, it looked like the metal on the side of the fuselage was bent some at the top from the load imposed by the plane flipping on the rollbar. We had a hard time moving the canopy rearward because of bending to get the occupants out. Several things came to my mind. 1. What would those guys have done if we had not been there to get them out? What if they landed at a strip out somewhere where there was no one? There was fuel leaking in the area, what if it had started on fire? Lots of what ifs came to mind after seeing this take place. What if he had held full aft stick? What if he had not applied brakes and just let it roll out? What if there was no roll bar? what if we had not been there? what if it had started immediately started on fire? Any plane as you know can flip upside down, tail dragger as well as nose dragger. Plan ahead, what are you going to do if it were to happen to you? How are you going to get out if no one is around to help you? How are you going to get out fast before it starts on fire? Just because a plane does not start on fire immediately does not mean that it is not, so do not mess around. get out as fast as you can or get people out if you see an accident. We had the plane up and the people out in less than one minute or it seemed that fast. We ran lifted and got them out immediately, no questions were asked we just got them out. Think about it people, do you have enough structure to protect you if you slammed the ground upside down. If not maybe you should start thinking about it. After I saw the metal tubing bend on the RV that was not going fast at all by the time it decided to flip upside down I have a totally different way of thinking now. Larry Howell The front roll bar was bent a little ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:36:18 -0500 From: "flesner" Subject: KR> new e-mail test- delete To: Message-ID: <003401c5d8eb$5ac2fed0$2f01a8c0@larryflesner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" this is a test from my new e-mail account ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:53:36 -0500 From: "flesner" Subject: KR> new e-mail address To: Message-ID: <000801c5d8f6$26ff57f0$2f01a8c0@larryflesner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" for any of you that care, my new e-mail address is flesner@verizon.net Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:11:35 -0700 From: "Ray Murphy" Subject: KR> A Few questions from a porspective builder. To: Message-ID: <000801c5d901$0cc9beb0$4c7a183f@ray65s1y82sdey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, I live in Bandon, Oregon and I am wondering if there are any builders resonably close to Bandon. I'd like to be bable to see a KR up close and personal. 1. I have read in the archives that some have been able to make the cabin as wide as 40 inches. Could this be made as wide as 42 or 44 inches? 2. If one does make their cabin wider, are there readily accessable canopies out there or is that something that I'd have to scratch build? Thanks for any answers I might get. Ray Murphy Bandon, OR ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:47:05 +0000 From: w.higdon9604@comcast.net Subject: Re: KR> A Few questions from a porspective builder. To: KRnet Message-ID: <102520050147.29345.435D8E99000C007B000072A12206424613CBCFC0C702010B090708D299@comcast.net> Ray, Joe Beyer (spelling might be worng) Lives Up North in Scapoose, that's the only on I know of. Bill Higdon > Hello, > I live in Bandon, Oregon and I am wondering if there are any builders resonably > close to Bandon. I'd like to be bable to see a KR up close and personal. > > 1. I have read in the archives that some have been able to make the cabin as > wide as 40 inches. Could this be made as wide as 42 or 44 inches? > > 2. If one does make their cabin wider, are there readily accessable canopies > out there or is that something that I'd have to scratch build? > > Thanks for any answers I might get. > > Ray Murphy > Bandon, OR > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:04:07 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> A Few questions from a porspective builder. To: Message-ID: <435D9297.000003.03584@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes you can, but you will pay a price for every change. Todd can make a canopy to fit whatever you do and they are very reasonable. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- 1. I have read in the archives that some have been able to make the cabin as wide as 40 inches. Could this be made as wide as 42 or 44 inches? 2. If one does make their cabin wider, are there readily accessable canopies out there or is that something that I'd have to scratch build? ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:45:05 -0700 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> A Few questions from a porspective builder. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01c301c5d90e$1b3d0300$6501a8c0@BUDDY> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original How about John Bouyea, he lives in Oregon and has a couple KR's. Bud Midkiff KR2 Stretched 50% Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Murphy" To: Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: KR> A Few questions from a porspective builder. > Hello, > I live in Bandon, Oregon and I am wondering if there are any builders > resonably close to Bandon. >Snip< ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:06:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: Re: KR> A Few questions from a porspective builder. To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051025030622.10247.qmail@web81710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ray Murphy wrote: Hello, I live in Bandon, Oregon and I am wondering if there are any builders resonably close to Bandon. I'd like to be bable to see a KR up close and personal. 1. I have read in the archives that some have been able to make the cabin as wide as 40 inches. Could this be made as wide as 42 or 44 inches? 2. If one does make their cabin wider, are there readily accessable canopies out there or is that something that I'd have to scratch build? Thanks for any answers I might get. Hi Ray, A good way to get answers to questions like you asked, is to go to the archives. There is a lot of good info there on widening the fuselage, canopies etc. Ron Smith Kr2ssxl Cypress Ca U.S.A. mercedesmann@yahoo.com http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:31:59 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> A Few questions from a porspective builder. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <05e001c5d914$a8d48340$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ray Murphy wrote: > I'd like to be bable to see a KR up close and personal. You don't really have to "be bable" to see a KR up close. I'd be happy to make you that way, but I'm fresh out of eye-of-newt! The answer to this one (and some questions you don't even know you have yet) are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kopinion.html . Now that I'm a little smarter about KRs, I'm going to systematically go through all my webpages and update them a little... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:36:05 -0400 (EDT) From: martha@simerson.net Subject: Re: KR> A Few questions from a porspective builder. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <59471.69.39.74.46.1130211365.squirrel@mail.theartfarm.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 now now mark be nice > Ray Murphy wrote > >> I'd like to be bable to see a KR up close and personal. > > You don't really have to "be bable" to see a KR up close. I'd be happy > to > make you that way, but I'm fresh out of eye-of-newt! > > The answer to this one (and some questions you don't even know you have > yet) > are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kopinion.html . > > Now that I'm a little smarter about KRs, I'm going to systematically go > through all my webpages and update them a little... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 428 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================