From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 438 Date: 11/1/2005 9:00:20 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Weight & Balance Scales (Larry H.) 2. Re: W & B dilemma (Dan Heath) 3. Re: W & B dilemma (Donald Reid) 4. Re: Third Flight-the good the bad the ugly (flesner) 5. Large Wing Attach Bolt size (danrh@alltel.net) 6. list user passwords (Mark Langford) 7. Starting engine after its been sitting a year or so. (Oscar Zuniga) 8. Starting engine after its been sitting a year or so. (Oscar Zuniga) 9. Re: Starting engine after its been sitting a year or so. (Jeff Scott) 10. New Web SIte (Mark Jones) 11. Digital Tachometers (Scott Cable) 12. Re: W & B dilemma (TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com) 13. RE: Large Wing Attach Bolt size (Brian Kraut) 14. Wing spars (larry severson) 15. landing a KR (Larry Flesner) 16. Re: New Web SIte (Dan Michaels) 17. Re: W & B dilemma (Dan Heath) 18. Re: New Web SIte (Mark Jones) 19. Re: accident with stored wings (Bill McCraw) 20. Re: landing a KR (Joseph H. Horton) 21. Re: landing a KR (Ron Lee) 22. Re: landing a KR (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 00:45:53 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> Weight & Balance Scales To: "krnet talk" Message-ID: <005f01c5deaf$e81f5de0$6401a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Brian is correct. If you have only one good or high quality scale, that is all you need. It may take you a little longer to weigh your plane. As Brian said, just make a platform that is the same height off the ground as your scale weighing surface to set your other tires on top of. I have one of the scales that has the weights that you add or remove on the end of the balance arm and has the sliding scale weight for perfect balance accuracy. It is similar to the ones that used to be in most doctors offices. If there is one like that on the shipping dock where you work, see if they will let you borrow it over night. If you have a tri gear then the main tires may be too far back under the wing for this type. In Texas we have highway patrollmen that carry the digital scales for weighing truckers. That would be the perfect type to use, they are very low to the ground and probably have ramps built in for the trucks to pull upon. Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:50:14 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: Message-ID: <43673A56.00001F.02532@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You know, we have a lot of RV builders around here and I have not been able to get this information from them. That would be nice if there were a set like that around here. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: Ron Lee Date: 10/31/05 23:49:08 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma At 07:20 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote: >What have you used and where did you get them? A mechanic here has a set that is used by him plus many RV builders to do their W&B. Ron _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 05:44:12 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051101054029.01cd9d60@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:09 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote: >Jerry and I have a dilemma. Our WB gave us very conflicting results >with each scenario that we performed. It had Jerry weighing 35 pounds >and me weighing 37 pounds different from the empty weight. > >You guys, WHO HAVE DONE THIS, what did you use to weigh your planes? >We are using 2 bathroom scales with a board over them under each wheel >and one under the tail. The tail weights are consistant and are >reasonable, but the other ones are all over the place. One thing that I have not seen in any of the other replies is that there must not be any side load on the wheels when you weight it. You have to roll the plane back and forth a few inches several times when it is on the scales. If you pick up a wing and then just set it on the scale there will be a friction side load applied to the scales that will not be measured as a weight. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA Regional Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:17:39 -0600 From: "flesner" Subject: Re: KR> Third Flight-the good the bad the ugly To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c5dede$41e06c60$2f01a8c0@LARRYFLESNER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The speed on finial is > something that has to be mastered and I am starting to question if I > should have cleaned the plane all up with fairings and seals before I > flew it. It just builds speed so fast. I need to learn to stay on top > of it way better. Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Joe, You're right, the KR is a slick little airplane. I love my speed brake as it makes it much easier to control airspeed on approach. I'd have to disagree with Mark L. on the steep approach. If you don't have any drag to hang out you really can't make a steep approach in a KR other than slipping and you're not ready for that yet in the landing mode. A shallow approach makes for less of a vertical decent rate and it requires less pitch change at the flare. Things happen a bit slower and that's what you need right now. If you're sure of your CG, go to altitude and do some stalls. You should be able to take it to a full break and note the indicated airspeed. That number X 1.3 over the numbers should treat you right. Getting the flare height right is a matter of practice. Hold it off until the mains touch first and you can hold the nosewheel off. Once you're stable in the flare, land it like a C-150. Get you speed contol "under control" and the landings will start to get more consistent. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 7:30:51 -0600 From: Subject: KR> Large Wing Attach Bolt size To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051101133051.XSWL6445.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@[166.102.165.30]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think it is an AN6-24, is that right for the large bolts for attaching the outboard wings to the stubs? I need to order some lock nuts from Wicks and can't remember for sure. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:31:51 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> list user passwords To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003f01c5dee8$9ea21b10$d004a58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You guys that can't seem to figure out how to run your krnet accounts....a half an hour ago every member was sent a message from sitelist-owner@mylist.net. This message contains your username, password, and the bottom line is a URL that will get you to the place where you can manage your account... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:26:36 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Starting engine after its been sitting a year or so. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Darren wrote- >I fogged my engine before I put it to bed last winter. Life did not >allow any progress thru until recently. Now I'm looking at starting my >Cont-65 back up. What should I do before sparking it up? I hope Jeff Scott chimes in here since he's an A&P and knows small Continentals inside and out (literally), but the one thing I've learned from the A-65 on my Pietenpol is that on most of them, the oil pump will lose prime if the engine sits for anything more than about a week, and it's tricky to get it going again if it has any amount of wear (and most of them do). You obviously don't want to run your engine without oil pressure! Plenty of small Continental tips and tricks at the Sacramento Sky Ranch website (for example, item no. 20 at http://www.sacskyranch.com/eng26.htm ), but also some very good ones from Harry Fenton on the FlyBaby site, at http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm#a65_oil_prime . A wealth of information on small Continentals on that site! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:42:33 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Starting engine after its been sitting a year or so. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed BTW and PS- for those with O-200s, there is equally good tech info on the Cessna 150 site, at http://150cessna.tripod.com/c150o200ainsp.html Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:27:43 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> Starting engine after its been sitting a year or so. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051101.082823.4954.119738@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Oscar's reference to the Fly Baby list pretty well sums it up. Just to be safe, on the A-65 you might want to remove the oil temp bulb out of the back of the oil screen and pump the screen sump full of oil before you start it. That will ensure that the oil pump is full of oil and you won't run any longer than necessary before the engine has oil pressure. The only time I have seen a small Continental lose it's oil prime, the oil pump was badly damaged by debris in the sump, but a badly worn pump will also cause it to lose it's prime. Since the engine has been sitting for some time, I would recommend priming the oil pump just to be safe. I guess I would also remove the plugs and put a little oil in the cylinders, then pull the engine through several revolutions to ensure that what you can get to is properly lubricated. Put the plugs back in, then light the fire and watch for oil pressure. Once you get oil pressure up, warm the engine thoroughly before shutting it down. Jeff -- "Oscar Zuniga" wrote: Darren wrote- >I fogged my engine before I put it to bed last winter. Life did not >allow any progress thru until recently. Now I'm looking at starting my >Cont-65 back up. What should I do before sparking it up? I hope Jeff Scott chimes in here since he's an A&P and knows small Continentals inside and out (literally), but the one thing I've learned from the A-65 on my Pietenpol is that on most of them, the oil pump will lose prime if the engine sits for anything more than about a week, and it's tricky to get it going again if it has any amount of wear (and most of them do). You obviously don't want to run your engine without oil pressure! Plenty of small Continental tips and tricks at the Sacramento Sky Ranch website (for example, item no. 20 at http://www.sacskyranch.com/eng26.htm ), but also some very good ones from Harry Fenton on the FlyBaby site, at http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm#a65_oil_prime . A wealth of information on small Continentals on that site! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:33 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> New Web SIte To: "CorvAircraft \(E-mail\)" , "KR Net \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C1028D@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have had nothing but trouble with my current web site. It never loads!!!!! So, I am in the process of moving it to a new host. This will be a work in progress for a while. My new web site link is www.flykr2s.com and is up and running. Please keep checking back as I will continuously build it. Thanks. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable Subject: KR> Digital Tachometers To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051101190806.50746.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Netheads, For those of you that have been using the TinyTach, here's an alternative: The Digatron tach used on Karts. The units have a lead that zip-ties onto the spark plug lead and a CHT lead that is placed between the sparkplug and head. Because they do not attach with the primary ignition system, and they are powered by a 9 volt battery, It would seem to me that this would be a perfect choice for aircraft use. There are units with options for back lighting and additional memory. They even have shift and warning lights options that are helmet mounted. Cool stuff! Prices range between $225 to $400 new or check-out eBay. Comet Kart Sales has close-out DT-4E's for sale for $120. These units don't offer any memory or backlight options and are the older tan colored units. Leads are easily replace-able and available through the Kart Shops. http://www.cometkartsales.com/store/gauges/digatron.htm Scott Cable Jamestown, ND s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:38:59 EST From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 11/1/2005 4:50:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, DanRH@AllTel.net writes: > You know, we have a lot of RV builders around here and I have not been > able to get this information from them. That would be nice if there > were a set like that around here. > Dan, there are a couple of auto parts stores around that cater to the dirt track racers, I have seen the strain gauge digital scales for rent that are used to weigh the cars. typically they consist of 4 scales tied to a central digital panel, and are considered to be highly accurate, don't know if they would be accurate in the 300 lb range. just a thought Best Regards, Riley Collins Rutledge, TN KR2-SS, Lycoming Power ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:51:04 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Large Wing Attach Bolt size To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Not sure on the length of the bolt, but it is an AN6. The nut you want is an AN365-624A. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of danrh@alltel.net Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:31 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Large Wing Attach Bolt size I think it is an AN6-24, is that right for the large bolts for attaching the outboard wings to the stubs? I need to order some lock nuts from Wicks and can't remember for sure. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:51:16 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: KR> Wing spars To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051101154904.01c61780@socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed How much should each of the fore and aft wing spars weigh? The wings, without tips, that I received weigh 38 pounds each. That seems high considering the hallow wing construction. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:45:32 -0600 From: Larry Flesner Subject: KR> landing a KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051101175800.02ffba68@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed One of the impacts was over 4 G's and I will check the gear and engine mount out completely before I go again Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Joe and other KR pilots, I'll add one more thought to my post from this morning. Most people I hear talk about bouncing a landing consider it to be a result of too much speed. I contend that a bounce on landing is a result of vertical decent rate and not directly related to speed. 99.99 percent of your landings will result in a touchdown somewhere above full stall speed and yet won't necessarily result in a bounce. I have landed on grass strips where I've flared and let it settle on at least 10 mph above stall with no bounce. Excess speed will aggravate the bounce because the wing is still capable of supporting the weight of the aircraft and any spring-back in the gear can all go to accelerating the plane in a vertical direction and have you flying again. If the wing is stalled when you bounce, the gear has much more weight to accelerate and will not be able to give it as much distance vertically. What you're trying to accomplish on landing is to check your vertical decent rate to near zero (flare) just inches above the runway at whatever speed you are above stall. Touchdown right at stall with a near zero decent rate would be a "greaser" landing but don't count on that happening very often. Try making every landing at the slowest possible airspeed but remember, the critical component is the vertical decent rate a touchdown. Get a friend with a hand-held radio to set near the runway and call out your height above the runway on landings until you get a picture in you mind what it should look like. I'd bet that after a few landings you'll be planting it on with little if any bounce. My worst landings are those days when I flare too high and then try to hold it off. It makes for a bad landing every time. Remember, you're learning to fly a new and very different airplane and you don't have an instructor setting next to you to give you pointers or bail you out. Happy landings............ Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:50:45 -0600 From: "Dan Michaels" Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007501c5df4f$d9b70d70$6601a8c0@N32394> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark do you fly your KR2 in the winter? I am in WI up by Rice Lake or the Twin Cities MN. I would like to fly to you and go for a test ride, I found a KR2 up by me that I am thinking of buying but it is put away for the year. GTG Grantsburg, WI What is your Identifier? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "CorvAircraft (E-mail)" ; "KR Net (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: KR> New Web SIte >I have had nothing but trouble with my current web site. It never >loads!!!!! So, I am in the process of moving it to a new host. This will be >a work in progress for a while. My new web site link is www.flykr2s.com and >is up and running. Please keep checking back as I will continuously build >it. Thanks. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: 10/31/2005 > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:20:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: Message-ID: <43682260.000003.01924@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, I think that I have found a couple of sets of them that may be available for me to use. However, I may have to drive to Charlotte to get one of them if the other is not available. Whatever it takes. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com Date: 11/01/05 18:40:01 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma In a message dated 11/1/2005 4:50:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, DanRH@AllTel.net writes: > You know, we have a lot of RV builders around here and I have not been able > to get this information from them. That would be nice if there were a > set like that around here. > Dan, there are a couple of auto parts stores around that cater to the dirt track racers, I have seen the strain gauge digital scales for rent that are used to weigh the cars. typically they consist of 4 scales tied to a central digital panel, and are considered to be highly accurate, don't know if they would be accurate in the 300 lb range. just a thought Best Regards, Riley Collins Rutledge, TN KR2-SS, Lycoming Power _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:24:27 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003c01c5df54$8d15f300$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Dan, I am going to fly till the snow flies then the wings come off and the engine is coming off and I am going to paint the plane over the winter. I would love to take you for a ride but I have not gotten to the point of carrying passengers yet. However you are welcome to come and check it out if you wish. I am based at Waukesha County Airport (KUES). Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Michaels" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte > Mark do you fly your KR2 in the winter? I am in WI up by Rice Lake or > the Twin Cities MN. I would like to fly to you and go for a test ride, > I found a > KR2 up by me that I am thinking of buying but it is put away for the > year. GTG Grantsburg, WI What is your Identifier? > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "CorvAircraft (E-mail)" ; "KR Net (E-mail)" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:15 PM > Subject: KR> New Web SIte > > > >I have had nothing but trouble with my current web site. It never > >loads!!!!! So, I am in the process of moving it to a new host. This > >will be > >a work in progress for a while. My new web site link is > >www.flykr2s.com and > >is up and running. Please keep checking back as I will continuously > >build it. Thanks. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI > > Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com > > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: 10/31/2005 > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:21:45 -0500 From: "Bill McCraw" Subject: Re: KR> accident with stored wings To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c5df5c$8ffc7780$13699618@nimc1.on.cogeco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Darren: Sorry to hear about your spare tire "incident". If there is no skin damage, you are right on to suspect a separation of skin and foam.. This may not be a problem depending how big the delamed area is. The tap test is the standard test for this. Take a loonie (we used to use quarters but inflation effects everything) tap on the suspected area and listen for a hollow sound , if the foam is separated it will sound different than good areas. The easiest fix is to drill some one-sixteenth holes in the damaged area and use a hypo needle (I get mine from a friend who is a horse breeder, his vet gives them to him) to inject some epoxy resin into the holes. Just fill the holes just full and put a small piece of high speed tape (what ever you can find lying around) over the hole as you fill the other ones. I forgot to mention to wax the repair area before you start the repair and after you peel the tape , a razor will cut the little nubs of resin off and the repair will be almost invisible. Having said all that, it's unlikely that the damage, if it's not too big (2 or 3 inches dia.) or near any of the spars, will cause any problems. Most guys will just keep an eye on it to make sure it's not getting any bigger as a result of flight loads. Hope this doesn't sound like a mountain instead of a mole hill. Good luck and take care. Bill Mc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pond Family" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: KR> accident with stored wings > Yes I know it's a crime but..... > I took advantage of a fellow with a Pickup truck to move my wings from > A to > B. The fellow had a spare tire in the back that fell onto my wing. > There is > no damage to the surface or wing shape. Should I be concerned? Am I missing > something with my review? > > I figure the risk is the foam has separated from the upper wing > surface which could bubble in flight or am I looking for a problem > that may not happen. > > Darren Pond > > Cambridge Ontario Canada > > ponds27@rogers.com > > Live to Play and Play to Live > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:08:16 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051101.230816.3380.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Larry, Thanks for the advise. I need to find what works for me. I do have flaps but need to test them further before using them at full deflection on landing. One thing that I am curious about is the glide slope lights to the runway. What glide are they set for? I had 2 decent landings and both times I was well below the lights.(red over red) This gives a shallow approach and a more level attitude when the flair starts. After thinking about the bounces from yesterday I think that I actually pushed the stick forward and caused the hard hit. I am not sure why i did that, but my guess is I saw the runway passing by and had the urge to get it on the ground to start the roll. Thanks for the help, Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:16:55 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051101211630.01ca47d0@mail.pcisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > One thing that I am curious about is the glide >slope lights to the runway. What glide are they set for? I had 2 decent >landings and both times I was well below the lights.(red over red) Typically 3 degrees. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:24:30 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a401c5df65$5243e780$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Joe, The KR tri-gear does not land like Cessna tri-gear. I personally like a steep approach over the numbers at 75 and flare at 10' and she touches down at 70 and stays there. You will find that the nose of the KR is way up in the air and obstructs your view between flare and touchdown. I used to try to keep looking over the nose and found myself tilting my head back and stretching my neck up to help see over the nose. Finally, I learned to look down the side of the cowl at the runway and overcame that where is the runway syndrome. I have a feeling you may be trying to see over the nose and pushing the stick forward to lower the nose which will cause you to fly into the runway hard. I have done fast low approaches and touched down at 85 and yes I could see over the nose doing that but the slower steeper approach is better for greasing a landing in a tri-gear with a fairly short roll out. Practice, practice, practice and don't be afraid of those flaps, use them. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph H. Horton" This > gives a shallow approach and a more level attitude when the flair > starts. After thinking about the bounces from yesterday I think that I > actually pushed the stick forward and caused the hard hit. I am not > sure why i did that, but my guess is I saw the runway passing by and > had the urge to get it on the ground to start the roll. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 438 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================