From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 439 Date: 11/2/2005 4:52:51 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: landing a KR (Barry Kruyssen) 2. Pics of landing a KR (Dan Heath) 3. Re: W & B dilemma (patrusso) 4. Re: landing a KR (Scott William) 5. Re: landing a KR (Larry Flesner) 6. update on Corvair College (Oscar Zuniga) 7. cover wood (Roy & Libby Root) 8. RE: cover wood (Mark Jones) 9. Re: cover wood (danrh@alltel.net) 10. Re: cover wood (patrusso) 11. Re: landing a KR (patrusso) 12. Dual coantrols (Scott William) 13. Re: Dual coantrols (Mark Langford) 14. RE: Dual coantrols (Jim Mullen) 15. Mark Jones phto p 78 Sport Aviation (Dann Johnson) 16. Re: landing a KR (Barry Kruyssen) 17. Re: Corvair College #9 (Mark Langford) 18. Re: landing a KR (Joseph H Horton) 19. Re: New Web SIte (Dan Michaels) 20. Dual controls / brakes / gear fittings (Larry Flesner) 21. Re: New Web SIte (Mark Jones) 22. Re: landing a KR (Larry Flesner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:30:49 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013f01c5df6e$96c533b0$8a00a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All, I'm by no means an expert but I am very comfortable with my landings in my stock KR2 tail dragger. This is how it looks from my cockpit http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/Picture_Gallery.htm the bottom 3 pictures, the numbers in the following text may be different (wrong) because my ASI is reading high and the values I use here are corrected by what I think is the variation. I also have a small problem with my brakes, they are either on or off, there is no gradually applying brakes (I currently have my KR2 at home and am adding wing stub tanks and one of my other jobs is to modify the brakes). I do down wind at about 100kts, as I turn base I chop the throttle to just above idle to maintain 90kts and turn final at 85kts. My approach angle is below everything else I've flown (or anything in the circuit) and I aim to cross the fence at about 65 to 70kts with 20ft clearance with the motor at idle. To achieve this I nearly always side slip to loose height in the last 150ft, this means that I can glide to the field if the engine fails. My circuits always allow me to be able to glide to the strip, I very seldom use power from the time I turn on to base. I maintain the speed right into ground effect rounding out only just above the ground, to shorten my total strip usage I fly on ASAP, but when I'm comfortable (if that makes sense), the grass strip slows me down real fast. Because the strip is a little rough I put the into wind wheel on the ground first and try to hold the other off, this stops nearly all bounce (unless I hit a big bump). When both wheels are on the ground I hold the tail up till the speed is below 35kts then let it settle to the ground getting even more drag from the tail wheel in the grass. If I look like finishing my ground roll before the runway exit I hold the tail up for ASAP to extend the ground roll. I problem is short landings over tall obstacles. I've practice many and have done one over 40+ feet trees on to 600m dirt strip. Came over the trees at idle, full side slip, straighten out, , round out, settled nerves and got on to dirt ASAP, the strip was very rough and I did some bouncing and stopped 50m from the end. I'll try this strip again when the brakes work better. The trouble with a short strip is once the tail is down I cannot see the end fence. Next time I will pick a land mark, off to the side, for points to: 1) take off again if I don't think I can stop. 2) do a ground loop if it looks like I'm going into the fence (failed the first decision). regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph H. Horton To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR Larry, Thanks for the advise. I need to find what works for me. I do have flaps but need to test them further before using them at full deflection on landing. One thing that I am curious about is the glide slope lights to the runway. What glide are they set for? I had 2 decent landings and both times I was well below the lights.(red over red) This gives a shallow approach and a more level attitude when the flair starts. After thinking about the bounces from yesterday I think that I actually pushed the stick forward and caused the hard hit. I am not sure why i did that, but my guess is I saw the runway passing by and had the urge to get it on the ground to start the roll. Thanks for the help, ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:03:29 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Pics of landing a KR To: Message-ID: <43689D01.000009.01924@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Barry, Nice pics. What a beautiful grass field you have. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:51:16 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c5dfa3$f5363180$38a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Accurate as hell. Ask your local auto parts store who the local race car builders are. Call one of them and borrow or rent from them. This is what I did. The fellow was curious enough to bring the scales to me and help with the weighing. One scale uinder each wheel. The process is so easy that we had time to triple check it, then tried it again with me in it and then again with me and gas in it, etc. The guy wouldnt charge me but I gave him 50 bucks anyway. This afforded me the audacity to call again should I need help.!! Curious??...consistently 303 lbs under each wheel and nine lbs under the tail,... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 6:38 PM Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma > In a message dated 11/1/2005 4:50:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, > DanRH@AllTel.net writes: > >> You know, we have a lot of RV builders around here and I have not >> been >> able >> to get this information from them. That would be nice if there were a >> set >> like that around here. >> > Dan, > there are a couple of auto parts stores around that cater to the dirt > track > racers, I have seen the strain gauge digital scales for rent that are used > to > weigh the cars. typically they consist of 4 scales tied to a central > digital > panel, and are considered to be highly accurate, don't know if they would > be > accurate in the 300 lb range. just a thought > > Best Regards, > > > Riley Collins > Rutledge, TN > KR2-SS, Lycoming Power _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 04:42:01 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051102124201.82602.qmail@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Your pics are priceless. What beautiful landscape!! Beach, hills, and your grass field looks better than my yard does!! What kind of landing gear you runnin? And what kind of brakes you have that are causing you trouble? Scott --- Barry Kruyssen wrote: __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:44:35 -0600 From: Larry Flesner Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051102063244.02bee900@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > I do >have flaps but need to test them further before using them at full >deflection on landing. Joe Horton +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Joe, Move "test flaps" up to the top of your flight test plan. Adding drag in the landing phase will make a totally different airplane out of the KR in the way it handles on speed control and approach attitude. I didn't plan on using my speed brake on the first flight until I made my first "missed approach". One approach was enough to convince me I needed some drag in the landing phase. I went back to altitude, checked out the speed brake, then came back to land. All but one or two of my 400+ landings since then have been with the speed brake out. I'm convinced that the reason that hundreds or thousands of KR have been built and few ever fly is the charateristics of the airplane in the landing phase. When the airplane pushes the envelope of the pilots abilities on every flight, he/she will soon quit flying it. If they all had a way of adding drag for landing, they'd be thick as flys! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:38:08 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> update on Corvair College To: krnet@mylist.net, pietenpol-list@matronics.com, corvaircraft@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed William has posted an update on the www.flycorvair.com website, Nov. 1, with some interesting pictures and a story about beer. That should get everybody over to check it out ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:35:21 -0800 From: "Roy & Libby Root" Subject: KR> cover wood To: "k r net" Message-ID: <000801c5dfcb$6cd23dc0$05900b45@catspaws> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i just bought a kr2 project and i dont have the plans yet. i would like to cover or seal the wood on the outside of the fuselage but dont know what i need to do it. please help. roy root salome ,az. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:52:09 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> cover wood To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C10298@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some folks will use deck cloth which is a very lightweight fabric applied the same as you would fiberglass cloth. However, that is, in my opinion an unnecessary step. When you prime the fuselage for paint, that will seal the exterior wood of the fuselage as will the paint itself. On the interior of the fuselage, use Helmsman (?)polyurethane spar varnish to seal the wood. It can be bought at virtually any store that sells paint. I know Home Depot has it. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Roy & Libby Root Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:35 AM To: k r net Subject: KR> cover wood i just bought a kr2 project and i dont have the plans yet. i would like to cover or seal the wood on the outside of the fuselage but dont know what i need to do it. please help. roy root salome ,az. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:54:38 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> cover wood To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051102175438.GQKH12191.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@[166.102.165.30]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Roy, If you do varnish it, be sure not to put varnish anywhere where you may want to come back later and glue something to it with epoxy. That probably would be the same for the esters also. Varnish and Epoxy don't play well together. From: "Roy & Libby Root" Date: 2005/11/02 Wed AM 10:35:21 CST To: "k r net" Subject: KR> cover wood i just bought a kr2 project and i dont have the plans yet. i would like to cover or seal the wood on the outside of the fuselage but dont know what i need to do it. please help. roy root salome ,az. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:54:26 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> cover wood To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c5dfde$d9524b30$3ba672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Roy If it's stored in a dry area, don't do any thing to it. Wait until the plane is assembled as you will be glassing so much to the fuselage, turtle deck, wings, forward deck, etc. Perhaps in the interior, if it is complete, you may varnish....before installing upper parts. Just avoid varnishing any parts that need to have other parts attached to it. P ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:00:45 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c5dfdf$bb773520$3ba672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ditto on Larrys comments. As soon as the snow flies, the plane goes back to the shop for a speed brake. I have already had a mishap that ALMOST convinced me to trade the darn thing for a sail boat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:44 AM Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR > >> I do >>have flaps but need to test them further before using them at full >>deflection on landing. Joe Horton > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Joe, > > > > I'm convinced that the reason that hundreds or thousands of KR have > been built and few ever fly is the charateristics of the airplane in > the landing phase. When the airplane pushes the envelope of the > pilots abilities on every flight, he/she will soon quit flying it. If > they all had a way of adding drag for landing, they'd be thick as > flys! > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: KR> Dual coantrols To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051102191835.82899.qmail@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Someone tell me I'm nuts for not wanting to put dual controls in my plane. I just don't see why I should. At least not dual rudder pedals. Change my mind, if you think so. Scott __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:28:01 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Dual coantrols To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <11db01c5dfe3$8aa92bc0$d004a58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Someone tell me I'm nuts for not wanting to put dual > controls in my plane. I installed a single stick, and after sitting in it realized that the center stick was in the way, especially with a passenger, and could basically be operated only with my right hand. And the KR requires that you hand be supported on something, so many folks with a single center stick have to build a center console for that, eating up even more room. Not only that, but the geometry of the stock stick setup is such that when you move the stick forward and aft, you stretch the aileron cables. The aileron cable tension is an unintentional stick centering device. This led me to the dual stick setup. I always notice when I "check free control movement" during preflight than when I move the elevator, the ailerons don't move at all. If you must have a single stick, so it similar to my dual setup's geometry, but place it between your legs, at least, but then you can't give dual instruction either. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcontrol.html for details on both center and dual stick installations... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:48:35 -0800 From: Jim Mullen Subject: RE: KR> Dual coantrols To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <63549084DDF79945895C381C8A004272029612@webmaster.tyeeair> Content-Type: text/plain Someone tell me I'm nuts for not wanting to put dual > Controls in my plane. \ Just as Mark has done, I am building mine with the aileron cable inline with the stick pivot point, to avoid the stretching problem, I liked Marks basic approach, and yet thought as you have that for most of the flying (someday) the co-pilot control will not be in use, So I am planning full dual controls but the RH stick will be removable below the seat line, That way I get more seat room when the passage is not going to be flying The point is that I hope someday to be able to have a Plane that will allow a potential KR wanta be like myself to experience the flight characteristics And with out dual I would not be able to Jim Mullen Everett Wa, KR2S Boat and feathers completed, Control system in the design phase -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:n56ml@hiwaay.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:28 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Dual coantrols > Someone tell me I'm nuts for not wanting to put dual > controls in my plane. I installed a single stick, and after sitting in it realized that the center stick was in the way, especially with a passenger, and could basically be operated only with my right hand. And the KR requires that you hand be supported on something, so many folks with a single center stick have to build a center console for that, eating up even more room. Not only that, but the geometry of the stock stick setup is such that when you move the stick forward and aft, you stretch the aileron cables. The aileron cable tension is an unintentional stick centering device. This led me to the dual stick setup. I always notice when I "check free control movement" during preflight than when I move the elevator, the ailerons don't move at all. If you must have a single stick, so it similar to my dual setup's geometry, but place it between your legs, at least, but then you can't give dual instruction either. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcontrol.html for details on both center and dual stick installations... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:01:53 -0800 (PST) From: Dann Johnson Subject: KR> Mark Jones phto p 78 Sport Aviation To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051102220153.96112.qmail@web203.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mark, If I remember correctly the Corvair College is this coming weekend. Florida is a long drive, and my Mankato Mn chapter 642 meeting is this weekend, but the temptation is strong. I have a half built tail dragger KR2 plus a Corvair engine sitting in a crate / box in my quonset. Dann ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:11:33 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <019201c5e002$c5be59f0$8a00a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The main gear and brakes are "borrowed" from the Jabiru. The main gear bolts on to the same points as the old retractable gear. Very happy with the gear though I'm extending the brackets 100mm (4 inches) to raise the nose even more (cannot see the strip in front anyway :-), the reason is that to 3 point stall onto the ground I nearly always touch tail wheel first, also it will allow me to fare in the gear better. The problem with the brakes is in the geometry of the toe brakes, as the is not enough room for them to operate properly. I need to move the peddles back towards the seat and I already don't have enough leg room. My plan is to have one more try at the geometry and if that fails then to make 2 hand brake levers between my legs in front of the main spare, I have a center stick. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott William To: KRnet Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:42 PM Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR Your pics are priceless. What beautiful landscape!! Beach, hills, and your grass field looks better than my yard does!! What kind of landing gear you runnin? And what kind of brakes you have that are causing you trouble? Scott ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:38:12 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR>Corvair College #9 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000b01c5e006$7d1fd170$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dann Johnson wrote: > If I remember correctly the Corvair College is this > coming weekend Nope...it's NEXT weekend, November 11th-13th. See http://www.flycorvair.com/cc9.html for lots more details. I'll be there, as well as at least two other KRs, so don't miss it! It's a 400 mile trip for me, and I'm going to brush up for it with a 300 mile trip to Pine Bluff tomorrow... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:28:09 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051102.182810.-678071.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Move "test flaps" up to the top of your flight test plan. Adding > drag in > the landing phase will make a totally different airplane out of the > KR in the way it handles on speed control and approach attitude. > Larry, Will do. I have done some testing at altitude but not enough to be totally confident in them and their behavior. I am out of commission for a couple days. The wind and rain forecast stinks for the next several days and I did tweak the nose strut. Dan Diehl is putting one in the mail tomorrow morning.. I got some other advise from Dan while I was talking to him. For anyone that is using the wheel pants that are from RandRobinson I had noticed cracking in the paint around the mounting screw. He said this is typical of gelcoat fiberglass parts where stress is applied. He recommended floxing a 2" alum. backer on the inside and glassing over it for the mounting area. This should take care of the stress cracking around the mounting screw. This is probably a good practice for any pant. I had tried one of the creature comforts of my KR the other morning. The out side temp was about 30 deg. in the air. I opened the cabin heat valve. It is not hooked directly to a heat muff yet but it got enough heat out of the cowl to keep me nice and comfortable. Thanks to everyone for the help recently. Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:12:13 -0600 From: "Dan Michaels" Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c5e00b$3e16c970$6601a8c0@N32394> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark, That is where I purchased my Cherokee Six. From Jim Kreuter White with red blue and grey stripes. I had been flying down there all spring. What else do you fly? and how does it compare to the KR2? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:24 PM Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte > Hi Dan, > I am going to fly till the snow flies then the wings come off and the > engine > is coming off and I am going to paint the plane over the winter. I would > love to take you for a ride but I have not gotten to the point of carrying > passengers yet. However you are welcome to come and check it out if you > wish. I am based at Waukesha County Airport (KUES). > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Michaels" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte > > >> Mark do you fly your KR2 in the winter? I am in WI up by Rice Lake or >> the Twin Cities MN. I would like to fly to you and go for a test >> ride, I found > a >> KR2 up by me that I am thinking of buying but it is put away for the >> year. >> GTG Grantsburg, WI What is your Identifier? >> >> Dan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Jones" >> To: "CorvAircraft (E-mail)" ; "KR Net (E-mail)" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:15 PM >> Subject: KR> New Web SIte >> >> >> >I have had nothing but trouble with my current web site. It never >> >loads!!!!! So, I am in the process of moving it to a new host. This >> >will > be >> >a work in progress for a while. My new web site link is >> >www.flykr2s.com > and >> >is up and running. Please keep checking back as I will continuously >> >build >> >it. Thanks. >> > >> > Mark Jones (N886MJ) >> > Wales, WI >> > Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com >> > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > Search the KRnet Archives at >> > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: > 10/31/2005 >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:30:09 -0600 From: Larry Flesner Subject: KR> Dual controls / brakes / gear fittings To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051102174955.03158db8@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 01:48 PM 11/2/2005, you wrote: >Someone tell me I'm nuts for not wanting to put dual > > Controls in my plane. >\+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > So I am planning full dual controls >but the RH stick will be removable below the seat line, That way I get more >seat room when the passage is not going to be flying >Jim Mullen +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That's exactly what I did and it works out great. I've probably had the right stick installed for maybe a couple hours of the 180 hours to date. I also installed my throttle on the left side wall as I wanted to fly with right hand on the stick and left hand on the throttle. That too has worked out great for me. All my switch and other controls are on the left side also so I never have to change hands on the stick. check out: http://www.krnet.org/mvn2004/040929271.jpg On the rudders, if you only put in a single set of rudders it may complicate the rudder cable layout as the right rudder cable would be run down the center of the aircraft, depending on how you set it up. To Barry on the brake cylinder setup, check out my system at: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/brakes2.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/brakes1.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/brakes3.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/20.jpg The cylinders are attached to the peddles and the entire unit moves as a single assembly. It has worked great for me. My rudders are mounted on the upper box but a floor mount may work as well. I mounted my rudders on top to clean up the floor area. On a cross country flight I can put my right foot between the right peddles and my left foot between the left peddles and extend them to the firewall for more comfort. Someone recently asked about lower attach fittings. Check out the following picture for an easy to make fitting. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/21.jpg I wasn't too proud of the original Diehl lower fittings and made these before Dan came out with his later 4130 fittings. I use a 2"X6" X 1/4" piece of 4130. I made a cut at the 3" mark with a hacksaw about 80 percent through the metal. I bent it to a 45 degree angle, made a gusset and had it welded. After the cut is welded shut and the gusset welded in place, use a belt sander to smooth the weld at the cut. I think Dan Diehl came out with 2 1/2" brackets that were bent to shape but mine work just as well. Increase the vertical length for more ground clearance but how much extra length will work without putting too much stress on the attach and create a failure, I don't know. I sure love my new DSL !!! It's like flying a KR after puttering around in a C-150 all your life !!!!! It almost makes me want to shout YEEEEEE HAAAAAAA when I get on the internet ! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:49:24 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000501c5e010$6fef9d00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan, My KR-2S is the only plane I have flown since last March. I prepared for my KR flying in a Warrior. There is really no comparison to the KR since the KR is such a quick and agile craft. Everything else I have flown is like flying a dump truck in comparison to the KR. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Michaels" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte > Mark, > > That is where I purchased my Cherokee Six. From Jim Kreuter White with red > blue and grey stripes. I had been flying down there all spring. What else do > you fly? and how does it compare to the KR2? > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte > > > > Hi Dan, > > I am going to fly till the snow flies then the wings come off and the > > engine > > is coming off and I am going to paint the plane over the winter. I would > > love to take you for a ride but I have not gotten to the point of carrying > > passengers yet. However you are welcome to come and check it out if you > > wish. I am based at Waukesha County Airport (KUES). > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Michaels" > > To: "KRnet" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:50 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> New Web SIte > > > > > >> Mark do you fly your KR2 in the winter? I am in WI up by Rice Lake or the > >> Twin Cities MN. I would like to fly to you and go for a test ride, I > >> found > > a > >> KR2 up by me that I am thinking of buying but it is put away for the > >> year. > >> GTG Grantsburg, WI What is your Identifier? > >> > >> Dan > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mark Jones" > >> To: "CorvAircraft (E-mail)" ; "KR Net (E-mail)" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:15 PM > >> Subject: KR> New Web SIte > >> > >> > >> >I have had nothing but trouble with my current web site. It never > >> >loads!!!!! So, I am in the process of moving it to a new host. This will > > be > >> >a work in progress for a while. My new web site link is www.flykr2s.com > > and > >> >is up and running. Please keep checking back as I will continuously > >> >build > >> >it. Thanks. > >> > > >> > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > >> > Wales, WI > >> > Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com > >> > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________ > >> > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: > > 10/31/2005 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:49:40 -0600 From: Larry Flesner Subject: Re: KR> landing a KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051102183155.0315de78@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >The main gear and brakes are "borrowed" from the Jabiru. The main >gear bolts on to the same points as the old retractable gear. Very >happy with the gear though I'm extending the brackets 100mm (4 >inches) to raise the nose even more (cannot see the strip in front >anyway :-), the reason is that to 3 point stall onto the ground I >nearly always touch tail wheel first, also it will allow me to fare >in the gear better. >Barry Kruyssen +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have 30" Diehl legs. My wing is set to the 3 1/2 degrees as per plans. I do have a 24" stretch on the fuselage and the tailwheel jacks up the tail a bit above average. With my setup my wing is at approximately 12 degrees in the three-point attitude. My point? The wing probably stalls in the 15 degree range so I can never make a "full stall, three point " landing. If I hold it off in landing to a full stall I will always hit tailwheel first and you don't want to go there. I did that on the landing on my first flight because my pucker muscles were so tight they sucked the blood from my brain and my body failed to move for lack of direction. I have three-pointed it a time or two but it was just plain luck. No wind and I held it off long enough to be in the three-point attitude an inch or so above the ground and it settled on so sweetly that I didn't realize for a second or two that I was on the ground. That's like shooting a "hole-in-one" for a golfer and that's about how often it will happen too. A tail low wheel landing and then plant it on with a touch of forward stick is the only way to land a KR (tailwheel) and not have to make constant repairs. :-) As always, your results may vary........... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 439 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================