From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 441 Date: 11/3/2005 6:06:04 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Dual controls / brakes / gear fittings (Frank Ross) 2. Re: Landings especially in a KR (Phil Matheson) 3. Ellison (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Ellison (Mark Langford) 5. Landings especially in a KR (Larry Flesner) 6. Tiedowns (JIM VANCE) 7. Aluminum T stock (Steven Phillabaum) 8. RE: Tiedowns (Hauck, John MAJ HHC-37th TRANS) 9. RE: Tiedowns (Steve Glover) 10. RE: Aluminum T stock (Mark Jones) 11. RE: Tiedowns (pole shed) 12. RE: Aluminum T stock (Dennis Mingear) 13. Re: Ellison (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 14. Re: Ellison (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 15. aileron fastners (DAVID BAREISS) 16. Re: aileron fastners (danrh@alltel.net) 17. JHMCS-F/A-18F Model Not KR Related (Scott Cable) 18. (no subject) (Joe Beyer) 19. Jones in Sport Aviation (Joseph H Horton) 20. Re: RE: KR> Aluminum T stock (Steven Phillabaum) 21. Tiedowns (JIM VANCE) 22. Re: To center the stick or to not center the stick??? (Dan Heath) 23. Re: To center the stick or to not center the stick??? (Orma) 24. Re: To center the stick or to not center the stick??? (JAMES FERRIS) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Dual controls / brakes / gear fittings To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051103083421.21689.qmail@web32015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dual vs single controls - consider this: Les Palmer in Dallas, TX built his with the single/center stick, but flew it straddling the stick using left-side left pedal, right-side right pedal. I'm not recommending that system, just letting you know what happened to one of the nicest KRs I've seen by a man who found his KR had grown smaller over the time it took him to build it, or something like that... Frank Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:53:00 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Landings especially in a KR To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <004101c5e053$ff82b270$43a7443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Good landings are an exercise in patience AND consistency ----------------------- Colin. That was a great piece of advice and writing. This is why I love the KR net.. Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:29:39 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Ellison To: Message-ID: <4369F4A3.00000B.01612@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone know the status of Ellison. There web site is either down or does not exist. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 05:46:12 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Ellison To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005c01c5e06c$312b2c90$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan Heath wrote: > Does anyone know the status of Ellison. There web site is either down > or does not exist. I can't imagine that they went anywhere. My guess is their web server is asleep at the switch. I have a manual and a decent understanding of how they work, if you need something in particular... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:41:37 -0600 From: Larry Flesner Subject: KR> Landings especially in a KR To: brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net,KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051103053436.030c86f0@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Looking at the end of the runway, I begin slowly holding the > plane off until I glance quickly at the ASI and see the touchdown > speed near my stall speed found at altitude. Once at this speed, I > ALLOW the plane to descend gently to the runway by slowly pulling > out the power if still in due to winds, or not adding back pressure > to hold the plane off any more. As the mains kiss I ROLL the plane > onto the runway by adding forward PRESSURE on the stick to hold the > mains in contact, and continue to add pressure to hold the tail up > until all speed has bled off. As the tail drops gently on its own, > I then pull aft to hold the tail on, and exit the runway. >Colin Rainey ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This sounds like a word for word description of how I land my KR except I never look at the ASI once I'm in the flare. I go strictly by "attitude" and will let it settle on as slow as possible but before I reach a full three point attitude. It works every time. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:25:50 -0600 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> Tiedowns To: "krnet" Message-ID: <000a01c5e071$bc2206c0$6a88f53f@Vance> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My KR-2 is finished and waiting for the inspection. Then, I realized that I had had a short circuit between the headphones. I did not provide for a means of attaching tiedown ropes or for jack points for lifting the mains off the ground. Any suggestions how I can tie the bird down without having to open my virgin wings? Jim Vance ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 8:02:07 -0500 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: KR> Aluminum T stock To: Message-ID: <4enl2a$1fquo4l@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello net, This is for those whom built there Hinge system using Dr. Deans Hinges. I am looking for a piece of T stock for use in the Dr. Dean hinge control horn. I made mine out of channel but did not permanently attach it. I would like to use the correct item. I have searched the archieve and found a reference to McMaster but they sell it in 8 foot length. and, it is 1.5" by 7/8". Guess I could use the leftover as another sanding stick. I already have sanding sticks and don't want anymore. But I wonder if anyone has a section they could put in the mail and send to me. In the rigging stage of the fuselage and my procrastination is going to catch up with me. I need to mount my Horizontal Stab. Steven Phillabaum KR2S; 5048; corvair; Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:12:04 +0300 From: "Hauck, John MAJ HHC-37th TRANS" Subject: RE: KR> Tiedowns To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sir: One time at American Eagle a frantic gate agent called me to say there were 60 MPH gusts about the terminal and wanted to know what to do since the A/C were not tied down. I told him to put a sand bag on top of the wing every 4 feet or so, centered over the main spar. It saved the day. For right now, if you have this beautiful creature sitting outside with out a chaperon, what you might want to do is tie the main and tail gear down and then secure a long lick of foam on top of the main spar of each wing, until you get this figured out. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of JIM VANCE Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:26 PM To: krnet Subject: KR> Tiedowns My KR-2 is finished and waiting for the inspection. Then, I realized that I had had a short circuit between the headphones. I did not provide for a means of attaching tiedown ropes or for jack points for lifting the mains off the ground. Any suggestions how I can tie the bird down without having to open my virgin wings? Jim Vance _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:10:27 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> Tiedowns To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <005701c5e088$bc38a490$0202a8c0@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Jim, I installed my tie downs like the "EZ" type aircraft. Drill a hole through the wing from top to bottom out near the end of the spar and just behind the spar. Flox in a piece of aluminum tubing with approx. a 3/8 ID hole. Once painted, it is hardly noticeable. Use some 3/32 or 1/8" cable and make a loop that extends through the hole from top to bottom and swag it together. Slide the loop of the cable through a large washer with a rubber pad for the top mount so as not to damage the finish and slide it through the hole, top to bottom. Then, just hook whatever you are using for the tie down on the looped portion of the cable that extends from the bottom of the wing. Clear as mud??? I use it on my KR and it works great. I stole the design from my Long EZ. If there are any EZ's in your area, check them out. It is light, EZ, and not too invasive. On a side note to all my friends out there, as of 10/20/2005 I am officially off contract after 12 years in the U.S. Marine Corps. It was a sad day indeed. Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G Corona, Ca -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of JIM VANCE Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:26 AM To: krnet Subject: KR> Tiedowns My KR-2 is finished and waiting for the inspection. Then, I realized that I had had a short circuit between the headphones. I did not provide for a means of attaching tiedown ropes or for jack points for lifting the mains off the ground. Any suggestions how I can tie the bird down without having to open my virgin wings? Jim Vance _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:21:31 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Aluminum T stock To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C102A0@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, It is almost impossible to find 6061-T6 in T-bar. Especially in 1" required for the rudder and elevator horns. I bought some at the local Ace hardware where you can get it in three foot lengths. It is not 6061 but it has shown no signs of wear after 70 flight hours. No need to flame me guys for using something other than 6061. If you are afraid to use it, then don't. It is your decision. Check your local Ace Hardware stores. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steven Phillabaum Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:02 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Aluminum T stock Hello net, This is for those whom built there Hinge system using Dr. Deans Hinges. I am looking for a piece of T stock for use in the Dr. Dean hinge control horn. I made mine out of channel but did not permanently attach it. I would like to use the correct item. I have searched the archieve and found a reference to McMaster but they sell it in 8 foot length. and, it is 1.5" by 7/8". Guess I could use the leftover as another sanding stick. I already have sanding sticks and don't want anymore. But I wonder if anyone has a section they could put in the mail and send to me. In the rigging stage of the fuselage and my procrastination is going to catch up with me. I need to mount my Horizontal Stab. Steven Phillabaum KR2S; 5048; corvair; Auburn, Alabama _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:17:36 -0800 (PST) From: pole shed Subject: RE: KR> Tiedowns To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051103151736.64517.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Good idea Steve. I know that feeling after 27 years in the Corps. Semper Fi. Larry Lipe Carbondale,IL MSGT USMC(Ret) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:29:47 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: RE: KR> Aluminum T stock To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051103152947.803.qmail@web51413.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Why not use 2 pieces of L stock, back to back, to make the T stock item you need. Denny ... --- Mark Jones wrote: > Steve, > It is almost impossible to find 6061-T6 in T-bar. > Especially in 1" > required for the rudder and elevator horns. I bought > some at the local > Ace hardware where you can get it in three foot > lengths. It is not 6061 > but it has shown no signs of wear after 70 flight > hours. No need to > flame me guys for using something other than 6061. > If you are afraid to > use it, then don't. It is your decision. Check your > local Ace Hardware > stores. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com > Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Steven > Phillabaum > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:02 AM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> Aluminum T stock > > > Hello net, > This is for those whom built there Hinge system > using Dr. Deans Hinges. > > I am looking for a piece of T stock for use in the > Dr. Dean hinge > control horn. I made mine out of channel but did > not permanently attach > it. I would like to use the correct item. I have > searched the archieve > and found a reference to McMaster but they sell it > in 8 foot length. > and, it is 1.5" by 7/8". Guess I could use the > leftover as another > sanding stick. I already have sanding sticks and > don't want anymore. But > I wonder if anyone has a section they could put in > the mail and send to > me. > > In the rigging stage of the fuselage and my > procrastination is going to > catch up with me. I need to mount my Horizontal > Stab. > > Steven Phillabaum > KR2S; 5048; corvair; > Auburn, Alabama > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:33:53 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> Ellison To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002d01c5e08b$ffbbf070$6501a8c0@BUDDY> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Dan, I got their voice mail when I called then just now, because it's before their regular business hours. They are located at 350 Airport Way, Renton. WA, 98055. Their phone number is 425-271-3220. Business hours 8:30am to 5:00pm Mon thru Thur. email: efsoffice@aol.com . Not sure why their websites not working, but this gives you some contact information. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:29 AM Subject: KR> Ellison > Does anyone know the status of Ellison. There web site is either down or > does not exist. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > is over. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:37:31 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> Ellison To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003301c5e08c$818d1fc0$6501a8c0@BUDDY> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I'll reply to my own email. They have changed their URL. It is now http://ellison-tbi.com/ and it works for me. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: Re: KR> Ellison > Dan, > I got their voice mail when I called then just now, because it's before > their regular business hours. They are located at 350 Airport Way, Renton. > WA, 98055. Their phone number is 425-271-3220. Business hours 8:30am to > 5:00pm Mon thru Thur. email: efsoffice@aol.com . Not sure why their > websites > not working, but this gives you some contact information. > Bud Midkiff > Lynnwood, WA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:29 AM > Subject: KR> Ellison > > >> Does anyone know the status of Ellison. There web site is either down or >> does not exist. >> >> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics >> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering >> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for >> building >> is over. >> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:38 -0700 From: DAVID BAREISS Subject: KR> aileron fastners To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed This is my first mail to you guys. I hope I'm do'in this right. I'm at the point where the ailerons get made, and I don't see any specs on the spacing, size and type of fasteners for the piano hinges. I searched the archives to find good ideas on fastening the nuts to the spars, but that's all. Dave Bareiss Sonoita, AZ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:51:45 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> aileron fastners To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051103165145.KZQE12191.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@[166.102.165.30]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://kr-builder.org/Aileron/index.html About 4 thumbnails down. Click on any pic for a full view. I prefer to rivet them on, no muss, no fuss. From: DAVID BAREISS Date: 2005/11/03 Thu AM 09:52:38 CST To: KRnet Subject: KR> aileron fastners This is my first mail to you guys. I hope I'm do'in this right. I'm at the point where the ailerons get made, and I don't see any specs on the spacing, size and type of fasteners for the piano hinges. I searched the archives to find good ideas on fastening the nuts to the spars, but that's all. Dave Bareiss Sonoita, AZ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable Subject: KR> JHMCS-F/A-18F Model Not KR Related To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051103184737.48512.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know it's not Friday, but since it's a little slow I thoght I'd drop everone a line to see what's going on the F/A-18F... If you are unable to see the HTML version of this message, click here: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q4/nr_051103m.html If you would like to be removed from the distribution list for this material, follow this link: http://boeingmedia.com/mailing_list/index.cfm --------------------------------- Boeing Starts F/A-18F Aft Seat Testing of Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System These images are available for editorial use by news media on boeingmedia.com ST. LOUIS, November 3, 2005 – Boeing [NYSE: BA] started flight tests this month at Naval Air Warfare Center China Lake, Calif., as part of the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) integration into the aft cockpits of the U.S. Navy’s F/A-18F Super Hornet. The testing marks the first time both the pilot and weapon systems officer have used the helmet in an F/A-18F during flight. “This first flight of the JHMCS in the aft cockpit of the Super Hornet brings us closer to providing Navy aircrews with an incredible increase in situation awareness and combat effectiveness,” said Todd Harper, the JHMCS F/A-18 team leader for Boeing. Flight testing of the helmet in the aft cockpit of the F/A-18D began in January 2005. This flight test coincides with the Navy awarding Boeing a $4.4 million addition to the current F/A-18E/F multi-year contract to provide aft-cockpit helmets in F/A-18F and EA-18G aircraft scheduled for delivery beginning in October 2007. F/A-18F aircraft to be used for validation and verification testing will be retrofit with the aft-cockpit capability beginning in late summer 2006. First used in Operation Iraqi Freedom, JHMCS gives flight crewmembers the ability to rapidly acquire and designate a target simply by looking at it. By putting an aiming cross, which is projected on the helmet visor, over the desired target and pressing a button, the pilot can quickly and easily aim weapons and sensors to designate and attack airborne or ground targets. JHMCS also displays aircraft altitude, airspeed, gravitational pull and angle of attack on the visor, as well as tactical information, to increase the crew member's awareness of the state of the aircraft and the combat situation. Boeing is the prime contractor and integrator for JHMCS and Vision System International, based in San Jose, Calif., is the major subcontractor. Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, a unit of The Boeing Company, is one of the world's largest space and defense businesses. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is a $30.5 billion business. It provides network-centric system solutions to its global military, government, and commercial customers. It is a leading provider of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance systems; the world's largest military aircraft manufacturer; the world's largest satellite manufacturer and a leading provider of space-based communications; the primary systems integrator for U.S. missile defense; NASA's largest contractor; and a global leader in sustainment solutions and launch services.p Scott Cable Jamestown, ND s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:27:56 -0800 From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: KR> (no subject) To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message: 13 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:28:01 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Dual coantrols To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <11db01c5dfe3$8aa92bc0$d004a58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I installed a single stick, and after sitting in it realized that the center stick was in the way, especially with a passenger, and could basically be operated only with my right hand. And the KR requires that you hand be supported on something, so many folks with a single center stick have to build a center console for that, eating up even more room. Not only that, but the geometry of the stock stick setup is such that when you move the stick forward and aft, you stretch the aileron cables. The aileron cable tension is an unintentional stick centering device. This led me to the dual stick setup. I always notice when I "check free control movement" during preflight than when I move the elevator, the ailerons don't move at all. If you must have a single stick, so it similar to my dual setup's geometry, but place it between your legs, at least, but then you can't give dual instruction either. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcontrol.html for details on both center and dual stick installations... >Not only that, but the geometry of the stock stick setup is such that when you move the >stick forward and aft, you stretch the aileron cables. Your cables must be set too tight. The stick doesn't move far enough to cause this at least not in my plane. >And the KR requires that you hand be supported on something, Not true. The center stick arrangement is well designed according to the plans and after flying with it for a few hours you will adapt to it and find that it is not in the way at all. If you have to free up your right hand for something it's not hard at all to fly the plane with your left hand on the center stick. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:16:36 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: KR> Jones in Sport Aviation To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051103.181637.-527177.2.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mr. Jones who was that man next to your plane?;-) Congrats- that is as cool as flying seeing your KR in the completed pictures. I think that I am going to start a Collage of pictures of completed KR's for my shop wall. Way to go, Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:56:23 -0500 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: RE: KR> Aluminum T stock To: KRnet Message-ID: <4enl2a$1fsptuu@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for all the replies concerning the T-Stock. Al is going to help me out. maybe it wont be long now. Of Steven Steven Phillabaum KR2S; 5048; corvair; Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:46:00 -0600 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> Tiedowns To: "krnet" Message-ID: <001a01c5e0d9$21061920$6a88f53f@Vance> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, Thanks for the great idea. I'll say three hail marys and punch some holes tomorrow. Ain't the KR net great? You can show your stupidity, and the whole gang jumps in to get you going. Jim Vance ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:32:28 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> To center the stick or to not center the stick??? To: Message-ID: <436ABA2C.000001.04024@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: >And the KR requires that you hand be supported on something, Not true. The center stick arrangement is well designed according to the plans and after flying with it for a few hours you will adapt to it and find that it is not in the way at all. If you have to free up your right hand for something it's not hard at all to fly the plane with your left hand on the center stick. "Your results may vary"! Who said that? Ain't is so true. 185 hours in my first KR2 and I despised nothing about it more than the center stick. Everything Mark said about it goes right along with my experience. This new KR has a dual stick and I would never build a plane that forced you to use one hand or the other. Well designed??? I don't think so. But you builders, make up your own mind about it, it is your plane. Take the input and decided. Either way, the KR is a great plane to fly. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:57:54 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> To center the stick or to not center the stick??? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005501c5e0e3$2cebdc20$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Two more cents worth. I have a center stick and have been flying the KR with it for over 20 years. Yes, I have strattel the center stick and flown in the center of the KR. I have learned to fly the KR with my right leg, while trying to read or fold a map. I have flown the aircraft with my left hand while using the right to do other things. After having said all this, and after all this time I still yearn for a dual stick so that I can have it available to either hand. I really tire trying to fly with the left hand while trying to tune the com set with the right. My pre-made header tank placed the radio cutouts to the right of center and it always needs the right hand to operate any thing in the stack. I agree 100 percent with Dan. Put the control between the pilots legs even if you don't put in a stick on the co-pilots side. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:03:33 -0500 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> To center the stick or to not center the stick??? To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051103.210333.220.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where did the (not true) paragraft come?: Jim On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:32:28 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > RE: > >And the KR requires that you hand be supported on something, > > Not true. The center stick arrangement is well designed according to > the > plans and after flying with it for a few hours you will adapt to it > and find > that it is not in the way at all. If you have to free up your right > hand for > something it's not hard at all to fly the plane with your left hand > on the > center stick. > > "Your results may vary"! Who said that? Ain't is so true. 185 > hours in my > first KR2 and I despised nothing about it more than the center > stick. > Everything Mark said about it goes right along with my experience. > This new > KR has a dual stick and I would never build a plane that forced you > to use > one hand or the other. Well designed??? I don't think so. But > you > builders, make up your own mind about it, it is your plane. Take > the input > and decided. Either way, the KR is a great plane to fly. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > is over. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 441 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================