From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 442 Date: 11/3/2005 9:00:23 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Timing the Mag (Dan Heath) 2. ELLISON (Larry H.) 3. Re: ELLISON (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Aluminum T stock (Dean Cooper) 5. ELLISON (Larry H.) 6. ELLISON (Larry H.) 7. Re: Timing the Mag (Steven Phillabaum) 8. Re: ELLISON (Dan Heath) 9. Re: ELLISON (Dan Heath) 10. RE: Timing the Mag (Brian Kraut) 11. RE: aileron fastners (Brian Kraut) 12. RE: Tiedowns (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:10:59 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Timing the Mag To: Message-ID: <436AC333.000007.04024@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't have the little light box nor the knowledge of how to time the mag, so our technical counselor, who has the tool and knowledge agreed to assist me with it. So, after work today, I went to the airport and quickly changed clothes to get ready for the job ahead. Then I saw him ( technical counselor ) pulling his plane out of the hangar. It is a gorgeous RV6. He told me that he would be right back, he had to fly a friend over to Newberry to pick up a plane and began showing me the tool and explaining how to use it. Just as he was getting started, another RV6 owner came up and said to me, "would you rather work on your plane, or fly to Newberry?". Well, that was a no-brainer. So, he pulled out his RV6 ( gorgeous ) and told me to get buckled up while he did the pre-flight. Soon we were beginning departure and he gave me the stick and said "you have the stick". I took it and he said "now, you say, I have the stick", so I said that. Then he said "gently apply forward pressure and "under no circumstances, release that pressure" well, I apply forward pressure and it seems as if we are going to go over on the nose, and I can't help but release the pressure a little, and he very loudly repeats his command, "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, RELEASE THAT PRESSURE". I gave it all the will power that I could muster and managed to keep the tail up. Soon we had built up enough speed and he said, "Ok, very gently begin releasing the pressure" and I do, and he keeps reminding me not to pull or jerk and to keep the climb at 500 FPM. So here I am, flying an RV6 and we head to Newberry. He then gives me the rudder and tells me what altitude to maintain Well, he had to keep reminding me, because it seemed that the RV just wanted to keep climbing. I said, "this plane just wants to climb". He took the stick and let go of it. It was amazing, the VSI immediately settled on zero. So he gave me the stick back, after proving that it might just be pilot induced climb and I finally got the feel of keeping it where it was, which really took NO effort at all. Now, you might think that is the end of the story, well, as we approach Newberry, he takes the controls back and goes into a steep decent on the runway, cutting the power so we will not exceed 200 knots. We screamed down the runway at 200 knots and at the end, went into a 3000 FPM climb, all the while, he was cutting the power, so when we reached pattern altitude, the RV was at 80 knots, flap down speed. So down went the flaps and we made a very gentle landing. No, this is not the end. These two RV pilots are avid formation flyers, and the real reason that the pilot that I was with wanted to fly to Newberry, was so they could practice formation flying on the way back. So, we took off in a flight of 2, that is formation pilot talk. We were the second, so from now on all we responded to the leader, was "2". My pilot quickly closed in tight on the wing of the leader and you could feel the force of concentration required to maintain the exact position that the leader wanted him to take. Then the leader held up a fist and my pilot dropped down and crossed under the lead plane. We were so close that I could see the tail wheel slowly turning in the wind. We did this all the way back to Owens and then initiate a high approach down the middle of the runway we were to land on, 1000 feet above pattern altitude. The leader had signaled 3 fingers which meant a 3 second break away. At the break away point, the leader broke hard right and 3 seconds later, we did the same. In a matter of a couple of seconds, we had lost a 1000 feet, were at pattern altitude and at flap speed. Down went the flaps and another perfect landing. What a day, does it get any better than this? Well, yes, I then went to my Daughters house and she fed me filet mignon that I washed down with a pint of Bass Ale while I watched our 1 year old grand son entertain us. This was an experience that mere mortals can't even dream of, let alone, experience. As Mark says, life is good. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:14:18 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> ELLISON To: "krnet talk" Message-ID: <001f01c5e0e5$7779a2c0$6601a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I have been wondering about the Ellison. I thought I read somewhere that they were not making the small carbs any longer that would fit a VW or probably not even small Cont or Lyc in the 50 to 100 hp range. Is this correct? I also thought that they did not recommend auto fuel in there systems, is this correct also? I had someone ask me about that this week. Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:20:52 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> ELLISON To: Message-ID: <436AC584.000009.04024@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes and yes. However, they do say that you can use the EFS-3 on the 2180, you just have to "waste" a little bit of it. They don't recommend auto fuel however, Steve Bennett has been flying auto fuel in his for years. In the litigious environment we live in today, you never know fact from CYA. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- I have been wondering about the Ellison. I thought I read somewhere that they were not making the small carbs any longer that would fit a VW or probably not even small Cont or Lyc in the 50 to 100 hp range. Is this correct? I also thought that they did not recommend auto fuel in there systems, is this correct also? I had someone ask me about that this week. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:22:40 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum T stock To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006001c5e0ef$03209640$1102a8c0@HOMEOFFICE> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Steven wrote: > I am looking for a piece of T stock for use in the Dr. Dean hinge > control > horn Steven, I searched for months to try and find some and couldn't (in any reasonable length to ship). If it weren't for Brian making us some on his milling machine, I still wouldn't have them. Using two pieces of angle back to back like Dennis mentioned will work fine as well. Good luck. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL USA Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See Corvair powered KR Project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:37:58 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> ELLISON To: Message-ID: <005c01c5e0f1$272f0420$6601a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK, thanks Daniel, I did just go and look at their website, kinda got side tracked reading the arguments in the homebuilt lawsuit they have posted there. Might be worth everyone reading if you are the insurance type. I read that they used to make a EFS-2 that was for 30 to 85 horsepower engines and of course the EFS-3A that they still make for 85 to 140 horspower engines. Anyone know why they dropped the little one? Thanks Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:42:52 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> ELLISON To: Message-ID: <006301c5e0f1$d60eee10$6601a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan, when you said waste a little bit of it, what did you mean exactly? Waste fuel? or waste it's larger Horsepower capability? Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:47:43 -0500 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: KR> Timing the Mag To: KRnet Message-ID: <4enjqj$1kaua9m@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One day I will experience that great flight story but for now the part of "grand son entertain us" is something that I look forward to every other weekend. And, this is my weekend. Keep sending those stories. They make me get back out in my shop and make something. I watched our 1 year old grand son entertain us. > > > > This was an experience that mere mortals can't even dream of, let > alone, experience. > Steven Phillabaum KR2S; 5048; corvair; Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:52:01 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> ELLISON To: Message-ID: <436ADAE1.000001.00236@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" They said that it wasn't selling. No wonder, the price got so high, but, for my money, it is the only game in town and I really think they did a bad job of controlling costs and marketing. You can't have the best product with the best customer service and not sell it unless the price is outrageous. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: Larry H. Date: 11/03/05 22:38:37 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> ELLISON OK, thanks Daniel, I did just go and look at their website, kinda got side tracked reading the arguments in the homebuilt lawsuit they have posted there. Might be worth everyone reading if you are the insurance type. I read that they used to make a EFS-2 that was for 30 to 85 horsepower engines and of course the EFS-3A that they still make for 85 to 140 horspower engines. Anyone know why they dropped the little one? Thanks Larry H. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:53:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> ELLISON To: Message-ID: <436ADB2C.000003.00236@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You have to stop the venturi at something less than full open. I understand that it is not such a big thing, but the price is. However, you only have to pay it once for a trouble free ride. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: Larry H. Date: 11/03/05 22:43:11 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> ELLISON Dan, when you said waste a little bit of it, what did you mean exactly? Waste fuel? or waste it's larger Horsepower capability? Larry H. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:01:37 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Timing the Mag To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So did you get your mag timed? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:11 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Timing the Mag I don't have the little light box nor the knowledge of how to time the mag, so our technical counselor, who has the tool and knowledge agreed to assist me with it. So, after work today, I went to the airport and quickly changed clothes to get ready for the job ahead. Then I saw him ( technical counselor ) pulling his plane out of the hangar. It is a gorgeous RV6. He told me that he would be right back, he had to fly a friend over to Newberry to pick up a plane and began showing me the tool and explaining how to use it. Just as he was getting started, another RV6 owner came up and said to me, "would you rather work on your plane, or fly to Newberry?". Well, that was a no-brainer. So, he pulled out his RV6 ( gorgeous ) and told me to get buckled up while he did the pre-flight. Soon we were beginning departure and he gave me the stick and said "you have the stick". I took it and he said "now, you say, I have the stick", so I said that. Then he said "gently apply forward pressure and "under no circumstances, release that pressure" well, I apply forward pressure and it seems as if we are going to go over on the nose, and I can't help but release the pressure a little, and he very loudly repeats his command, "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, RELEASE THAT PRESSURE". I gave it all the will power that I could muster and managed to keep the tail up. Soon we had built up enough speed and he said, "Ok, very gently begin releasing the pressure" and I do, and he keeps reminding me not to pull or jerk and to keep the climb at 500 FPM. So here I am, flying an RV6 and we head to Newberry. He then gives me the rudder and tells me what altitude to maintain Well, he had to keep reminding me, because it seemed that the RV just wanted to keep climbing. I said, "this plane just wants to climb". He took the stick and let go of it. It was amazing, the VSI immediately settled on zero. So he gave me the stick back, after proving that it might just be pilot induced climb and I finally got the feel of keeping it where it was, which really took NO effort at all. Now, you might think that is the end of the story, well, as we approach Newberry, he takes the controls back and goes into a steep decent on the runway, cutting the power so we will not exceed 200 knots. We screamed down the runway at 200 knots and at the end, went into a 3000 FPM climb, all the while, he was cutting the power, so when we reached pattern altitude, the RV was at 80 knots, flap down speed. So down went the flaps and we made a very gentle landing. No, this is not the end. These two RV pilots are avid formation flyers, and the real reason that the pilot that I was with wanted to fly to Newberry, was so they could practice formation flying on the way back. So, we took off in a flight of 2, that is formation pilot talk. We were the second, so from now on all we responded to the leader, was "2". My pilot quickly closed in tight on the wing of the leader and you could feel the force of concentration required to maintain the exact position that the leader wanted him to take. Then the leader held up a fist and my pilot dropped down and crossed under the lead plane. We were so close that I could see the tail wheel slowly turning in the wind. We did this all the way back to Owens and then initiate a high approach down the middle of the runway we were to land on, 1000 feet above pattern altitude. The leader had signaled 3 fingers which meant a 3 second break away. At the break away point, the leader broke hard right and 3 seconds later, we did the same. In a matter of a couple of seconds, we had lost a 1000 feet, were at pattern altitude and at flap speed. Down went the flaps and another perfect landing. What a day, does it get any better than this? Well, yes, I then went to my Daughters house and she fed me filet mignon that I washed down with a pint of Bass Ale while I watched our 1 year old grand son entertain us. This was an experience that mere mortals can't even dream of, let alone, experience. As Mark says, life is good. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:11:47 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> aileron fastners To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Every six inches is the norm. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of DAVID BAREISS Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:53 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> aileron fastners This is my first mail to you guys. I hope I'm do'in this right. I'm at the point where the ailerons get made, and I don't see any specs on the spacing, size and type of fasteners for the piano hinges. I searched the archives to find good ideas on fastening the nuts to the spars, but that's all. Dave Bareiss Sonoita, AZ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:12:44 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Tiedowns To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For tiedowns I used pieces of 1/8" 4130 steel strip about a 5/8" inch wide and 3" long. I had 3/8" holes in each end and a twist in the middle. The top hole went under the head of the bottom forward wing attach bolt and the bottom hole was my tiedown. Since the hole was small on the bottom I used a clip on D ring in the hole and tied the rope on that. The twist in the middle was so the strip would have the narrow end facing into the wind while flying. For jacking I had a 1/4" threaded hole in the center of the axle shaft for attaching the wheel pant. I just screwed in a bolt and used that as my jack point. I jacked it with a 2 X 4 as a lever and I had a block of wood I would stick under the Diehl axle bracket on the other side of the wheel. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of JIM VANCE Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:26 AM To: krnet Subject: KR> Tiedowns My KR-2 is finished and waiting for the inspection. Then, I realized that I had had a short circuit between the headphones. I did not provide for a means of attaching tiedown ropes or for jack points for lifting the mains off the ground. Any suggestions how I can tie the bird down without having to open my virgin wings? Jim Vance _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 442 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================