From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 456 Date: 11/10/2005 9:00:12 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: W&B and Oil issues (Dan Heath) 2. AS504x airfoil (Jim) 3. Re: lighting systems (Jerry Mahurin) 4. RE: lighting systems (Brian Kraut) 5. RE: lighting systems (PATTY GARMAN) 6. RE: W&B and Oil issues (Brian Kraut) 7. RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins (Brian Kraut) 8. Brakes and elevator hinges available (PATTY GARMAN) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:31:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> W&B and Oil issues To: Message-ID: <4373F464.000001.00480@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That too. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: Ron Lee Date: 11/10/05 19:47:31 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> W&B and Oil issues > I will remedy that immediately by removing the 1/4 > tube and replacing the fitting with one for a 3/8" tube. Don't have > any 3/8 >tube, but I'll bet one of these RV builders down at the airport has >some. Or the KR aviation section of your local hardware store Ron Lee _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:49:52 -0600 From: "Jim" Subject: KR> AS504x airfoil To: Message-ID: <000c01c5e66a$97050e60$83306644@D7WNCM71> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm currently building a KR2S and I'm about to put the vertical member in the fusalge that the main and rear spar go through. I tried to download the blue print for the AS504X wing how ever they were so small that I couldn't read off the paper. Which airfoil has been used the most, and how high up from the bottom longeron do you put the diagonal pieces that fore and aft? Would anybody have the latest information on the different flight characteristics of each airfoil or where I may find it? Thank you, aerobeale ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:03:10 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: Re: KR> lighting systems To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511101903i6fb5268cp5c0fae0ee820d715@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ......generally speaking AL is bad news in wiring. Mostly related to the coefficient of expansion of AL. It makes for loosening joints whether screws or other physical. Rember how AL was used for wiring houses for a couple of years and then abandoned..... Keep on keeping on, On 11/10/05, Stephen Teate wrote: > > I hope so. I intend to do the same thing with a piece of aluminum > braiding that I think is usually used to shield large cable. As long > as I don't overload it, it should work fine. Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+steate=compositecooling.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+steate=compositecooling.com@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of patrusso > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:19 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> lighting systems > > "While we are on the subject of wireing, I screwed a 1/8x1'' piece of > aluminum along the inside of the fuselage from tail to firewall via > one of the bolts holding the engine mount. It seems to work just fine > for a common > ground but I wonder if it is kosher. My battery is behind the seat, > connected directly to it. Any comments?" > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:11:32 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> lighting systems To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To be practical and safe you should have the nav lights and anti-collision lights on separate breakers, or fuses, and with separate switches. With strobes, in particular, it is important to have a separate switch to turn them off if you wind up in a cloud and you have the flash coming back in your eyes, like driving in the fog with your high beams on. A common ground is fine. Most people also have the instrument lights on the same switch as the nav lights. It makes sense and that is how I have wired planes in the past. Last week I took my first night flight in my Midget Mustang and had a problem with my nav lights blowing the breaker and taking out my instrument lights at the same time. It is no fun at all making a first night landing in a plane without being able to see your airspeed. Fortunately for me the previous owner put the nav and instrument lights on the same breaker, but different switches so I was able to turn off the nav lights and reset the breaker and decrease the pucker factor a whole lot. The tower wasn't happy about it, but I am in one piece. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:41 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> lighting systems I know some of this has been hashed out here before, but I was reading an article in Sport Aviation last night and saw a statement I had not seen before. The statement was that nav lights have to be wired independently from anti-collision lights. Purpose being that if something smokes, you don't go completely dark to the outside world. What I'm wondering is how far the separation of wiring should be. For example, it is easy to run a common ground out the wing or to the tail for both systems, but it would seem that that approach would not comply and that separate grounds (DC negative) wires should be run for each system, back to the main ground bus. The discussion here (and other lists concerned with experimentals) is that our systems and lighting need not comply with TSO's for equipment nor approved materials for installation. I do think we all agree that best practices should be followed, therefore my question. Comments-? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: PATTY GARMAN Subject: RE: KR> lighting systems To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051111031453.52685.qmail@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Brian Kraut wrote:To be practical and safe you should have the nav lights and anti-collision lights on separate breakers, or fuses, and with separate switches. With strobes, in particular, it is important to have a separate switch to turn them off if you wind up in a cloud and you have the flash coming back in your eyes, like driving in the fog with your high beams on. A common ground is fine. Most people also have the instrument lights on the same switch as the nav lights. It makes sense and that is how I have wired planes in the past. Last week I took my first night flight in my Midget Mustang and had a problem with my nav lights blowing the breaker and taking out my instrument lights at the same time. It is no fun at all making a first night landing in a plane without being able to see your airspeed. Fortunately for me the previous owner put the nav and instrument lights on the same breaker, but different switches so I was able to turn off the nav lights and reset the breaker and decrease the pucker factor a whole lot. The tower wasn't happy about it, but I am in one piece. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:41 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> lighting systems I know some of this has been hashed out here before, but I was reading an article in Sport Aviation last night and saw a statement I had not seen before. The statement was that nav lights have to be wired independently from anti-collision lights. Purpose being that if something smokes, you don't go completely dark to the outside world. What I'm wondering is how far the separation of wiring should be. For example, it is easy to run a common ground out the wing or to the tail for both systems, but it would seem that that approach would not comply and that separate grounds (DC negative) wires should be run for each system, back to the main ground bus. The discussion here (and other lists concerned with experimentals) is that our systems and lighting need not comply with TSO's for equipment nor approved materials for installation. I do think we all agree that best practices should be followed, therefore my question. Comments-? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:21:52 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> W&B and Oil issues To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You local auto parts store will also have oil line sold by the foot. I wouldn't use it on a plane with hose clamps for pressure applications, but it is more than adequate for your breather line. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:54 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> W&B and Oil issues Our final W & B should happen on Saturday as I have finally located some Race Car scales, and will be able to borrow them for the weekend. On the leaking oil issue, I think the oil leak is mostly "blow by" coming out of the dip stick tube. Steve Bennett says that there will be excessive "blow by until the rings seat and he advised me that the relief tube out of the collector should be 3/8". I will remedy that immediately by removing the 1/4 tube and replacing the fitting with one for a 3/8" tube. Don't have any 3/8 tube, but I'll bet one of these RV builders down at the airport has some. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:21:53 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have used epoxy on many, many VE premolded parts without any problems. I use a wire brush in my drill instead of sandpaper to get a real good rough surface fast. Of course, I can't think of any reason not to just use VE on the wing skins. Dan even supplies it with the skins. When I am using epoxy it is because I am making a mod to a cowl or something and I have the epoxy on hand and don't want to buy a whole gallon of VE. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:48:54 -0800 (PST) From: PATTY GARMAN Subject: KR> Brakes and elevator hinges available To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051111014855.56564.qmail@web35902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Guys I have the brakes for the KR retracts tailwheel springs and the elevator hinges for anyone that is interested please contact me off the net Thanks Patti --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 456 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================