From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 463 Date: 11/15/2005 10:22:35 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Civil unrest in France (Ron Freiberger) 2. Re: Civil unrest in France (Joachim Saupe) 3. KR/Corvair project forsale (John Esch) 4. Re: Civil unrest in France (Frank Ross) 5. Re: KR2 wing removal (Peter Drake) 6. R?f. : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France (Serge VIDAL) 7. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France (billstarrs@peoplepc.com) 8. Re: KR2 wing removal (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 9. KR Net Post (Mark Jones) 10. Re: KR Net Post (Ron Smith) 11. Re: KR Net Post (Cris.) 12. RE: KR Net Post (Mark Jones) 13. Re: KR Net Post (Cris.) 14. R?f. : KR> KR Net Post (Serge VIDAL) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:33:11 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Civil unrest in France To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <004301c5e9a6$1470d8f0$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No, Serge is in a unique position to tell us what's going on. He's a frequent contributor we respect, and has given a real insight into the problems of licensing an African aircraft in France. I really appreciated his info. Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of isaac milton Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:38 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Civil unrest in France Hi guys, I'm building in Boise Idaho, am African American by ethniticy, and was Army Special Forces for nearly 10 years... wounded in Panama in 89, relatively new pilot, but have taken off 300 more times than I've landed, so I feel comfortable with you guys. I enjoy the threads, it's helped me a lot, and I spend most of my evenings soaking it up. I'd appreciate, respectfully, if you leave the political opinions elsewhere, as any position has it's counter, and here is not the place. Don't you agree? Isaac Milton KR-2 ROUSEDABOUT Boise Idaho, USA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:37:28 -0600 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: Re: KR> Civil unrest in France To: "rousedabout@yahoo.com, KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051121563728937@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I don't believe anybody has voiced their political opinions! What's your problem? Thank you for your 300 jumps! Joachim > [Original Message] > From: isaac milton > To: KRnet > Date: 11/14/2005 9:37:54 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Civil unrest in France > > Hi guys, > > I'm building in Boise Idaho, am African American by ethniticy, and > was Army Special Forces for nearly 10 years... wounded in Panama in > 89, relatively new pilot, but have taken off 300 more times than I've > landed, so I feel comfortable with you guys. I enjoy > the threads, it's helped me a lot, and I spend most of > my evenings soaking it up. I'd appreciate, > respectfully, if you leave the political opinions > elsewhere, as any position has it's counter, and here > is not the place. Don't you agree? > > Isaac Milton > KR-2 ROUSEDABOUT > Boise Idaho, USA > > > --- Serge VIDAL wrote: > > > Hi, Phil, and all. > > > > Yep, I'm OK, the "civil unrest" is definitely not in > > my street. Pity, > > though, 'cause it would be a rare opportunity at > > taking potshots at the > > rioters! ;-) > > > > More seriously, the situation in France is quite > > simple: around all large > > cities, we have suburbs full of young Arabs and > > Africans, whose fathers > > came to France long ago when jobs were aplenty. > > There are also lots of > > illegal immigrants there, too. These guys probably > > represent more than 10% > > of the population now, although nobody knows for > > sure, because the law > > forbids to make statistics on an ethnic basis. > > > > In general, these populations failed to succeed, > > despite the faboulous > > help you get from the state (education is free, and > > of good quality; > > parents get monthly child education grants; > > unemployed people get generous > > pensions, and when these dry out, you get a "minimum > > income" grant which > > is about two thirds of minimum wages; public > > transports are heavily > > subsidised; and so on; the list is endless, as is > > the list of taxes to > > finance all that). > > > > These guys are simply not interested in becoming > > "normal" citizens, and > > blame everybody else for their failure. You don't > > let them do whatever > > they want? You're a racist, period! > > > > When France went under attack by Algerian > > terrorists, each time the police > > arrested or killed one, these guys would riot, in > > support. For the past > > ten years or so, they have celebrated on New Year's > > Eve by burning cars > > (about 500 a year). This time, the unrest has been > > triggered by the fact > > that two robbers ran away the police, hid inside an > > electrical converter > > post, and killed themselves. > > > > Make no mistake. France is not an ethnically based > > nation. We believe in > > equal citizenship and common values, and our model > > puts the state well > > above communities. Religion and race are considered > > private matters, and > > don't get special statuses. We have always had lots > > of migrants here. Just > > look at me: father was half Spanish, half Moroccan; > > mother is Swiss. The > > guy sitting in front of me at the office is from > > Italian origin. My > > assistant is from South East Asia. > > > > But smooth integration does not seem to work with > > these guys. > > > > In short, France now houses a large hostile and > > useless population, and no > > government will have the balls to deal with the > > issue, for fear of being > > branded racists, or insensitive, or whatever. They > > will simply dump more > > money into these suburbs, and raise more taxes to > > pay for it. Their > > subsidized housing will probably be repainted and > > overhauled for the > > umptenth time, so that they can vandalize it again. > > > > I'm afraid this country is doomed, because we seem > > not to know the > > difference between being human and being stupid. > > > > Serge Vidal > > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > > Paris, France > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:48:49 -0800 From: "John Esch" Subject: KR> KR/Corvair project forsale To: , Message-ID: <006a01c5e9b0$a4893ae0$6501a8c0@VAIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All Just to let everyone know that I did lower the price once again on the KR-2S/Corvair project. Infomation is listed on my website: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~jfesch/index.html John Esch Independence, OR (7S5) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:33:05 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Civil unrest in France To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051115083305.36422.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Isaac, Welcome to KRnet. We may have crossed paths in '89, as I was taking care of wounded in a hanger at Kelly AFB in San Antonio, TX. Glad to hear you learned to land planes and don't have to keep getting out before they land. Jumping would have been better than some of my landings... We were worried about Serge, since he has one of the older KRs that he brought from Africa when he moved to Paris a few years ago. Actually, we probably worried as much about his plane as him, but I can certainly understand his frustration with the rioting. Hope you get to the Gathering, as it is a lot of fun and you'll make friends for a lifetime. Frank Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:58:53 -0000 From: "Peter Drake" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 wing removal To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004501c5e9cb$2f9b58b0$0201a8c0@PETER> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pete To make KR2 wings easily removable would require a fairly major modification. The PFA dont like KR's anyway so a mod of this kind would a fairly big hurdle to cross... Peter Drake Hereford UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Diffey" To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: KR> KR2 wing removal Hi, I am just in the process of buying a KR2, and one of the big attractions is being able to easily remove the wings. My current a/c is stored 45 mins from home, and needs 30 mins to extract from the hangar, so being able to fly from a strip 10 miutes from the house is very attractive, plus it will save me £1300 a year. My question is how realist is it to take the wings off, how long do they take to fit, how often do you need to replace the bolts, and does this lead to hole elongation. I am figuring on leaving the wings on through the high summer months, and on/off at weekends in spring and fall. It's not gonna stop me going ahead with the purchase if you guys think it is a bad plan, just alter the economics a bit. Pete Diffey St Albans just north of London - under the Luton Airport TMA for any guys who know the area. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --- --- ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:04:07 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France To: rousedabout@yahoo.com, KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Isaac, and welcome. 300 jumps? Hmm... puts you well ahead of me, with my 30-odd static line ones. Maybe I should try and brag about the rest of the training I got in Saint-Cyr (that's the French equivalent of West Point)? Nah! Any position has it's counter, and here is not the place! Don't you agree? ;-) Don't worry. Nobody intends to turn the KR List into a political forum. But whenever one list member happens to be in a place that makes the news (like New Orleans recently), well, news and enlightened opinions tend to be welcome. Heated debates would be promptly censored by our zealous moderator anyway, so they happen off list. Around the world, the news media have grossly exagerated the extent of this rioting, and misinterpreted the causes, too. So, I just tried to explain what really happens here, from an insider's point of view. Funny, for as long as I can emember, you're the first builder to introduce himself by ethnicity (Incidentally, I just realized made the mistake of revealing my 25% of Moroccan blood myself in that post, which will probably attract a lot of prejudice, since brown is not exactly a color in fashion!) OK, case closed my side. Back to business. What are you building? How far are you? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France isaac milton Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-11-15 04:37 Veuillez répondre à rousedabout; Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-11-15 04:37 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France Hi guys, I'm building in Boise Idaho, am African American by ethniticy, and was Army Special Forces for nearly 10 years... wounded in Panama in 89, relatively new pilot, but have taken off 300 more times than I've landed, so I feel comfortable with you guys. I enjoy the threads, it's helped me a lot, and I spend most of my evenings soaking it up. I'd appreciate, respectfully, if you leave the political opinions elsewhere, as any position has it's counter, and here is not the place. Don't you agree? Isaac Milton KR-2 ROUSEDABOUT Boise Idaho, USA --- Serge VIDAL wrote: > Hi, Phil, and all. > > Yep, I'm OK, the "civil unrest" is definitely not in > my street. Pity, > though, 'cause it would be a rare opportunity at > taking potshots at the > rioters! ;-) > > More seriously, the situation in France is quite > simple: around all large > cities, we have suburbs full of young Arabs and > Africans, whose fathers > came to France long ago when jobs were aplenty. > There are also lots of > illegal immigrants there, too. These guys probably > represent more than 10% > of the population now, although nobody knows for > sure, because the law > forbids to make statistics on an ethnic basis. > > In general, these populations failed to succeed, > despite the faboulous > help you get from the state (education is free, and > of good quality; > parents get monthly child education grants; > unemployed people get generous > pensions, and when these dry out, you get a "minimum > income" grant which > is about two thirds of minimum wages; public > transports are heavily > subsidised; and so on; the list is endless, as is > the list of taxes to > finance all that). > > These guys are simply not interested in becoming > "normal" citizens, and > blame everybody else for their failure. You don't > let them do whatever > they want? You're a racist, period! > > When France went under attack by Algerian > terrorists, each time the police > arrested or killed one, these guys would riot, in > support. For the past > ten years or so, they have celebrated on New Year's > Eve by burning cars > (about 500 a year). This time, the unrest has been > triggered by the fact > that two robbers ran away the police, hid inside an > electrical converter > post, and killed themselves. > > Make no mistake. France is not an ethnically based > nation. We believe in > equal citizenship and common values, and our model > puts the state well > above communities. Religion and race are considered > private matters, and > don't get special statuses. We have always had lots > of migrants here. Just > look at me: father was half Spanish, half Moroccan; > mother is Swiss. The > guy sitting in front of me at the office is from > Italian origin. My > assistant is from South East Asia. > > But smooth integration does not seem to work with > these guys. > > In short, France now houses a large hostile and > useless population, and no > government will have the balls to deal with the > issue, for fear of being > branded racists, or insensitive, or whatever. They > will simply dump more > money into these suburbs, and raise more taxes to > pay for it. Their > subsidized housing will probably be repainted and > overhauled for the > umptenth time, so that they can vandalize it again. > > I'm afraid this country is doomed, because we seem > not to know the > difference between being human and being stupid. > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:51:09 -0700 From: Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001b01c5e9fc$66d0fd90$08eff004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge any thing you have to say about your situation is sufficiently unique and interesting to justify sending to all of us . Thank you very much. Bill Starrs (KR1 completed) Clarkdale AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: ; "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:04 AM Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France Hi, Isaac, and welcome. 300 jumps? Hmm... puts you well ahead of me, with my 30-odd static line ones. Maybe I should try and brag about the rest of the training I got in Saint-Cyr (that's the French equivalent of West Point)? Nah! Any position has it's counter, and here is not the place! Don't you agree? ;-) Don't worry. Nobody intends to turn the KR List into a political forum. But whenever one list member happens to be in a place that makes the news (like New Orleans recently), well, news and enlightened opinions tend to be welcome. Heated debates would be promptly censored by our zealous moderator anyway, so they happen off list. Around the world, the news media have grossly exagerated the extent of this rioting, and misinterpreted the causes, too. So, I just tried to explain what really happens here, from an insider's point of view. Funny, for as long as I can emember, you're the first builder to introduce himself by ethnicity (Incidentally, I just realized made the mistake of revealing my 25% of Moroccan blood myself in that post, which will probably attract a lot of prejudice, since brown is not exactly a color in fashion!) OK, case closed my side. Back to business. What are you building? How far are you? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France isaac milton Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-11-15 04:37 Veuillez répondre à rousedabout; Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-11-15 04:37 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France Hi guys, I'm building in Boise Idaho, am African American by ethniticy, and was Army Special Forces for nearly 10 years... wounded in Panama in 89, relatively new pilot, but have taken off 300 more times than I've landed, so I feel comfortable with you guys. I enjoy the threads, it's helped me a lot, and I spend most of my evenings soaking it up. I'd appreciate, respectfully, if you leave the political opinions elsewhere, as any position has it's counter, and here is not the place. Don't you agree? Isaac Milton KR-2 ROUSEDABOUT Boise Idaho, USA --- Serge VIDAL wrote: > Hi, Phil, and all. > > Yep, I'm OK, the "civil unrest" is definitely not in > my street. Pity, > though, 'cause it would be a rare opportunity at > taking potshots at the > rioters! ;-) > > More seriously, the situation in France is quite > simple: around all large > cities, we have suburbs full of young Arabs and > Africans, whose fathers > came to France long ago when jobs were aplenty. > There are also lots of > illegal immigrants there, too. These guys probably > represent more than 10% > of the population now, although nobody knows for > sure, because the law > forbids to make statistics on an ethnic basis. > > In general, these populations failed to succeed, > despite the faboulous > help you get from the state (education is free, and > of good quality; > parents get monthly child education grants; > unemployed people get generous > pensions, and when these dry out, you get a "minimum > income" grant which > is about two thirds of minimum wages; public > transports are heavily > subsidised; and so on; the list is endless, as is > the list of taxes to > finance all that). > > These guys are simply not interested in becoming > "normal" citizens, and > blame everybody else for their failure. You don't > let them do whatever > they want? You're a racist, period! > > When France went under attack by Algerian > terrorists, each time the police > arrested or killed one, these guys would riot, in > support. For the past > ten years or so, they have celebrated on New Year's > Eve by burning cars > (about 500 a year). This time, the unrest has been > triggered by the fact > that two robbers ran away the police, hid inside an electrical > converter post, and killed themselves. > > Make no mistake. France is not an ethnically based > nation. We believe in > equal citizenship and common values, and our model > puts the state well > above communities. Religion and race are considered > private matters, and > don't get special statuses. We have always had lots > of migrants here. Just > look at me: father was half Spanish, half Moroccan; > mother is Swiss. The > guy sitting in front of me at the office is from > Italian origin. My > assistant is from South East Asia. > > But smooth integration does not seem to work with > these guys. > > In short, France now houses a large hostile and > useless population, and no > government will have the balls to deal with the > issue, for fear of being > branded racists, or insensitive, or whatever. They > will simply dump more > money into these suburbs, and raise more taxes to > pay for it. Their > subsidized housing will probably be repainted and > overhauled for the > umptenth time, so that they can vandalize it again. > > I'm afraid this country is doomed, because we seem > not to know the > difference between being human and being stupid. > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:16:25 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> KR2 wing removal To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051115.121311.2596.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 A hole in and along the main spar with A tube through it in the main and outboard foreward spars. Put a universal joint in to allow the outboard to twist up and back. Folding wings!!! Do your own engineering, or find the Col's info, Virg On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:58:53 -0000 "Peter Drake" writes: > Pete > To make KR2 wings easily removable would require a fairly major > modification. The PFA dont like KR's anyway so a mod of this kind > would a > fairly big hurdle to cross... > > Peter Drake > Hereford UK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Diffey" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:39 PM > Subject: KR> KR2 wing removal > > > Hi, > > I am just in the process of buying a KR2, and one of the big > attractions > is being able to easily remove the wings. > > My current a/c is stored 45 mins from home, and needs 30 mins to > extract > from the hangar, so being able to fly from a strip 10 miutes from > the > house is very attractive, plus it will save me £1300 a year. > > My question is how realist is it to take the wings off, how long do > they > take to fit, how often do you need to replace the bolts, and does > this > lead to hole elongation. I am figuring on leaving the wings on > through > the high summer months, and on/off at weekends in spring and fall. > > It's not gonna stop me going ahead with the purchase if you guys > think > it is a bad plan, just alter the economics a bit. > > Pete Diffey > > St Albans just north of London - under the Luton Airport TMA for > any > guys who know the area. > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- > > > --- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:38:43 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> KR Net Post To: "KR Net \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C1033C@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well guys, you have done it again!!!! I just received a private e-mail from Isaac Milton. Why did he just send it to me? Maybe it is because I am the only one who did not respond negatively to his First and now, Last post. Isaac introduced himself as an African American KR builder. That alone was intriguing to me as I am not sure if we have have another person in our KR Family who is of this ethnic background. Isaac has informed me that his first flights should happen in the spring around March or April. He is at the point, where, I am sure he would like all the support he can get from the KR Net as he leads up to his first flight. From the replies he received so far, I do not think he will be asking us for our help any longer. While, it is true that we are concerned for our KR Family members who are caught up in, hurricanes, tornados, civil unrest, rain storms, hail storms, floods, sickness, etc, etc, etc.......We must also remember that this list is for KR building and flying issues. An occasional off beat subject is ok as long as it is not dwelt upon for days and weeks on end. As we grow older in our lives, are we not supposed to gain wisdom and from that wisdom teach others who have not been there yet? You guys can flame me and slam me all you want but it think it is appalling when someone makes a first post and introduces himself and then decides that maybe he is not welcome here because people post before using their brain and thinking about what they are about to say. I have been on this net for many years and do not plan to go anywhere unless wings sprout on my back. Once again I have spoken my peace. I am sure it won't be the last time. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my "NEW" KR CorvAIRCRAFT web site: http://www.flykr2s.com Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:48:45 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Smith Subject: Re: KR> KR Net Post To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051115174845.80620.qmail@web81712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Mark Jones wrote: > Well guys, you have done it again!!!! I just > received a private e-mail from Isaac Milton. Why did > he just send it to me? Maybe it is because I am the > only one who did not respond negatively to his First > and now, Last post. Isaac introduced himself as an > African American KR builder. That alone was > intriguing to me as I am not sure if we have have > another person in our KR Family who is of this > ethnic background. Isaac has informed me that his > first flights should happen in the spring around > March or April. He is at the point, where, I am sure > he would like all the support he can get from the KR > Net as he leads up to his first flight. From the > replies he received so far, I do not think he will > be asking us for our help any longer. While, it is > true that we are concerned for our KR Family members > who are caught up in, hurricanes, tornados, civil > unrest, rain storms, hail storms, floods, sickness, > etc, etc, etc.......We must also remember that this > list is for KR building and flying issues. An > occasional off beat subject is ok as long as it is > not dwelt upon for days and weeks on end. As we grow > older in our lives, are we not supposed to gain > wisdom and from that wisdom teach others who have > not been there yet? You guys can flame me and slam > me all you want but it think it is appalling when > someone makes a first post and introduces himself > and then decides that maybe he is not welcome here > because people post before using their brain and > thinking about what they are about to say. I have > been on this net for many years and do not plan to > go anywhere unless wings sprout on my back. Once > again I have spoken my peace. I am sure it won't be > the last time. > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my "NEW" KR CorvAIRCRAFT web site: > http://www.flykr2s.com > Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Hi Mark, My 2cents: 1. We don't need a report on the civil unrest in France on this list. I wish the posters here would keep to KR stuff only. 2. I did not see anything negative posted to that new guy. 3. If his skin is that thin, then maybe the internet is not the place for him!!! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:49:03 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> KR Net Post To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm supposed to be the last one to talk, here, since I may have not fully understood the issue. I read twice all the answers Isaac got to his message and did not find anything even slightly related to "ethnicity". I invite you to read them back and tell me where I go wrong. He wrote his first message inviting us to leave political opinion out of the list. This, although correct, may not be the best thing to talk about when you write for the first time. Anyway this is not important. People told him very politely that we were interested in Serge's first hand report on what's happening in France as we were about Katrina. I cannot see the problem. You can see an account on important events even on your sports newspaper, sometimes. Well, sometimes is the right word. 99.999% of messages are related to flying, 99.9% related to building and flying KRs, so I think that we can be very satisfied with the list. I'll read twice to see if there was anything that could offend an african-american, but I do not live in a multiethnic country, yet, so I may be wrong. Come back, Isaac, stay with us and enjoy the list! Cristiano. Roma. 2005/11/15, Mark Jones : > > Well guys, you have done it again!!!! I just received a private e-mail > from Isaac Milton. Why did he just send it to me? Maybe it is because I am > the only one who did not respond negatively to his First and now, Last post. > Isaac introduced himself as an African American KR builder. That alone was > intriguing to me as I am not sure if we have have another person in our KR > Family who is of this ethnic background. Isaac has informed me that his > first flights should happen in the spring around March or April. He is at > the point, where, I am sure he would like all the support he can get from > the KR Net as he leads up to his first flight. From the replies he received > so far, I do not think he will be asking us for our help any longer. While, > it is true that we are concerned for our KR Family members who are caught up > in, hurricanes, tornados, civil unrest, rain storms, hail storms, floods, > sickness, etc, etc, etc.......We must also remember that this list is for KR > building and flying issues. An occasional off beat subject is ok as long as > it is not dwelt upon for days and weeks on end. As we grow older in our > lives, are we not supposed to gain wisdom and from that wisdom teach others > who have not been there yet? You guys can flame me and slam me all you want > but it think it is appalling when someone makes a first post and introduces > himself and then decides that maybe he is not welcome here because people > post before using their brain and thinking about what they are about to say. > I have been on this net for many years and do not plan to go anywhere unless > wings sprout on my back. Once again I have spoken my peace. I am sure it > won't be the last time. > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my "NEW" KR CorvAIRCRAFT web site: http://www.flykr2s.com < > http://www.flykr2s.com/> > Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:02:33 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> KR Net Post To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C1033D@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SKIN COLOR OR ETHNICITY other than he introduced himself that way. The whole issue is over his statement about non KR issues. This is another classic example of not reading and thinking before you speak. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Cris. Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:49 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> KR Net Post I'm supposed to be the last one to talk, here, since I may have not fully understood the issue. I read twice all the answers Isaac got to his message and did not find anything even slightly related to "ethnicity". I invite you to read them back and tell me where I go wrong. He wrote his first message inviting us to leave political opinion out of the list. This, although correct, may not be the best thing to talk about when you write for the first time. Anyway this is not important. People told him very politely that we were interested in Serge's first hand report on what's happening in France as we were about Katrina. I cannot see the problem. You can see an account on important events even on your sports newspaper, sometimes. Well, sometimes is the right word. 99.999% of messages are related to flying, 99.9% related to building and flying KRs, so I think that we can be very satisfied with the list. I'll read twice to see if there was anything that could offend an african-american, but I do not live in a multiethnic country, yet, so I may be wrong. Come back, Isaac, stay with us and enjoy the list! Cristiano. Roma. 2005/11/15, Mark Jones : > > Well guys, you have done it again!!!! I just received a private e-mail > from Isaac Milton. Why did he just send it to me? Maybe it is because I am > the only one who did not respond negatively to his First and now, Last post. > Isaac introduced himself as an African American KR builder. That alone was > intriguing to me as I am not sure if we have have another person in our KR > Family who is of this ethnic background. Isaac has informed me that his > first flights should happen in the spring around March or April. He is at > the point, where, I am sure he would like all the support he can get from > the KR Net as he leads up to his first flight. From the replies he received > so far, I do not think he will be asking us for our help any longer. While, > it is true that we are concerned for our KR Family members who are caught up > in, hurricanes, tornados, civil unrest, rain storms, hail storms, floods, > sickness, etc, etc, etc.......We must also remember that this list is for KR > building and flying issues. An occasional off beat subject is ok as long as > it is not dwelt upon for days and weeks on end. As we grow older in our > lives, are we not supposed to gain wisdom and from that wisdom teach others > who have not been there yet? You guys can flame me and slam me all you want > but it think it is appalling when someone makes a first post and introduces > himself and then decides that maybe he is not welcome here because people > post before using their brain and thinking about what they are about to say. > I have been on this net for many years and do not plan to go anywhere unless > wings sprout on my back. Once again I have spoken my peace. I am sure it > won't be the last time. > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my "NEW" KR CorvAIRCRAFT web site: http://www.flykr2s.com < > http://www.flykr2s.com/> > Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:04:46 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> KR Net Post To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 See? I was wrong. Fine, I warned you in advance. :-) So the issue is about his invitation to stick to the list charter? I really cannot see where he could find any reason to run off the list because of the answers he received. Anyway I think that ANY list can tolerate temporary diversions when something ramarkable happens in the world. But this is my opinion and this thread is definitely diverting from KR issues. Ciao. Cris. 2005/11/15, Mark Jones : > > NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SKIN COLOR OR ETHNICITY other than he > introduced himself that way. The whole issue is over his statement about > non KR issues. This is another classic example of not reading and > thinking before you speak. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com > Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Cris. > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:49 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> KR Net Post > > > I'm supposed to be the last one to talk, here, since I may have not > fully > understood the issue. > I read twice all the answers Isaac got to his message and did not find > anything even slightly related to "ethnicity". > I invite you to read them back and tell me where I go wrong. > He wrote his first message inviting us to leave political opinion out of > the > list. This, although correct, may not be the best thing to talk about > when > you write for the first time. Anyway this is not important. People told > him > very politely that we were interested in Serge's first hand report on > what's > happening in France as we were about Katrina. I cannot see the problem. > You > can see an account on important events even on your sports newspaper, > sometimes. Well, sometimes is the right word. 99.999% of messages are > related to flying, 99.9% related to building and flying KRs, so I think > that > we can be very satisfied with the list. > > I'll read twice to see if there was anything that could offend an > african-american, but I do not live in a multiethnic country, yet, so I > may > be wrong. > > Come back, Isaac, stay with us and enjoy the list! > > Cristiano. > Roma. > > 2005/11/15, Mark Jones : > > > > Well guys, you have done it again!!!! I just received a private e-mail > > from Isaac Milton. Why did he just send it to me? Maybe it is because > I am > > the only one who did not respond negatively to his First and now, Last > post. > > Isaac introduced himself as an African American KR builder. That alone > was > > intriguing to me as I am not sure if we have have another person in > our KR > > Family who is of this ethnic background. Isaac has informed me that > his > > first flights should happen in the spring around March or April. He is > at > > the point, where, I am sure he would like all the support he can get > from > > the KR Net as he leads up to his first flight. From the replies he > received > > so far, I do not think he will be asking us for our help any longer. > While, > > it is true that we are concerned for our KR Family members who are > caught up > > in, hurricanes, tornados, civil unrest, rain storms, hail storms, > floods, > > sickness, etc, etc, etc.......We must also remember that this list is > for KR > > building and flying issues. An occasional off beat subject is ok as > long as > > it is not dwelt upon for days and weeks on end. As we grow older in > our > > lives, are we not supposed to gain wisdom and from that wisdom teach > others > > who have not been there yet? You guys can flame me and slam me all you > want > > but it think it is appalling when someone makes a first post and > introduces > > himself and then decides that maybe he is not welcome here because > people > > post before using their brain and thinking about what they are about > to say. > > I have been on this net for many years and do not plan to go anywhere > unless > > wings sprout on my back. Once again I have spoken my peace. I am sure > it > > won't be the last time. > > > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI > > Visit my "NEW" KR CorvAIRCRAFT web site: http://www.flykr2s.com < > > http://www.flykr2s.com/> > > Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > -- > Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:21:32 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> KR Net Post To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, surely, it can't be the couple of replies he got from the KRNet that determined him to leave the list? Did he get any nasty posts off-list that we don't know about, or what? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Mark Jones" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-11-15 18:38 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-11-15 18:33 Pour : "KR Net (E-mail)" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> KR Net Post Well guys, you have done it again!!!! I just received a private e-mail from Isaac Milton. Why did he just send it to me? Maybe it is because I am the only one who did not respond negatively to his First and now, Last post. Isaac introduced himself as an African American KR builder. That alone was intriguing to me as I am not sure if we have have another person in our KR Family who is of this ethnic background. Isaac has informed me that his first flights should happen in the spring around March or April. He is at the point, where, I am sure he would like all the support he can get from the KR Net as he leads up to his first flight. From the replies he received so far, I do not think he will be asking us for our help any longer. While, it is true that we are concerned for our KR Family members who are caught up in, hurricanes, tornados, civil unrest, rain storms, hail storms, floods, sickness, etc, etc, etc.......We must also remember that this list is for KR building and flyi ng issues. An occasional off beat subject is ok as long as it is not dwelt upon for days and weeks on end. As we grow older in our lives, are we not supposed to gain wisdom and from that wisdom teach others who have not been there yet? You guys can flame me and slam me all you want but it think it is appalling when someone makes a first post and introduces himself and then decides that maybe he is not welcome here because people post before using their brain and thinking about what they are about to say. I have been on this net for many years and do not plan to go anywhere unless wings sprout on my back. Once again I have spoken my peace. I am sure it won't be the last time. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my "NEW" KR CorvAIRCRAFT web site: http://www.flykr2s.com Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 463 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================