From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 473 Date: 11/19/2005 9:00:27 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: GPS (Dan Michaels) 2. Re: GPS (Mark Langford) 3. GPS (Pat Driscoll) 4. RE: GPS (Steve Glover) 5. Re: GPS (Dan Michaels) 6. Re: GPS (patrusso) 7. RE: GPS (Ray Fuenzalida) 8. Re: GPS (larry severson) 9. good to be in the air again ( rparker ) 10. another flight (Joseph H. Horton) 11. GPS (Pat Driscoll) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:46:05 -0600 From: "Dan Michaels" Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001c01c5ecd4$eb88a530$6401a8c0@N32394> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Larry, I started flying behind a Lawrance 2000 and it was very easy to get anywhere you wanted, mak your route on the computer and download it to the unit. I still had to have charts on board and since they did not sell charts at my airport it was a hassle. I built a EFB using Chartcase and dong what you say being able to fly the winds is a no-brainer, on the profile screen it shows all winds and clouds on the route. You can plan in advance at what altitude to fly at to get the best winds, miss the most controlled airspace, and fly clear of clouds. All this and years worth of updates for charts and plates for the whole US in my plane at all times. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: KR> GPS > > > With all the chatter about the high tech electronics and software, I'm > concerned that some may think flying has gotten too complicated and is > leaving them behind. NOT SO. > > While i encourage and applaud those pushing the envelope, I'll give > you my requirements for comfortable cross country flight. > > Any small, inexpensive GPS with aviation database and moving map. > Black and white is fine and small is o.k. too. I flew about 700 hours > using the Lowrance 300 and loved it. > > The moving map is good for controlled airspace and a sense of > orientation. The info boxes I set up to be displayed were Bearing (to > destination), actual ground track, ground speed, and ETE. > > The highways were good for local flight but on cross country I didn't > know route numbers anyway and didn't care. The rivers, lakes, and > weather I acquired by looking out the window. I always had my > sectional to follow along and every 15 minutes or so I'd acquire the > nearest airports on the GPS and cross reference to the sectional in > case the GPS ever came up with dead batteries or lost position. If the > weather gets too uncomfortable to fly I can "go to nearest" and call > an 800 number to get the weather. > > Bottom line is that I fly cross-country in 10 and 20 mile sections in > any direction. In case of emergency the nearest airport or anything > within gliding distance is all that counts and info beyond that is > basically extra baggage. Weather info in the midwest is available on > the ASOS and AWAS systems and is generally available at 50+ mile > range. It gives you wind speed, direction, cloud cover and altimeter > setting. Looking them up and dialing them in along the way gives you > a short break from the awesome view out the window. :-) > > A friend of mine simplified his requirements even further. He has a > small Garmin and the only thing he ever used was the little arrow that > pointed in the direction of his selected destination. He would set > the Garmin on the panel of his Cessna and flew so the arrow always > pointed to the nose of the airplane. > > I hope that those much smarter than me will continue to test and > develop so that someday I might have a talking wrist watch that gives > me voice commands. Things like "the view is great from this altitude > but you will find another 10k tailwind if you climb another 1000 feet" > or "you might consider landing for fuel at the next airport as they > have the cheapest fuel for the next 100 miles" or "DOES IT GET ANY > BETTER THAN THIS" , and finally after a kiss-soft landing it says > "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA !!! :-) > > Larry Flesner > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005 > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:28:30 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0b4301c5ed26$476ad110$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John Monday wrote: > Mark to you have the make and model of the $100 Bluetooth GPS?? Mine's not bluetooth, but a buddy of mine just bought a DeLorme that is bluetooth, and it also cost a hundred bucks, but I don't know the model number. Mine's a Garmin GPS 18 that is USB. It gets its power from the USB port, so I don't have to mess around with batteries or external power. Pharos is another one that has either version, and Haicom is a big GPS manufacturer (that's what Anywhere Map will send you with their sticker on it). Here's a link to a bluetooth version: http://www.buygpsnow.com/item.aspx?itemid=268 . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:05:06 -0600 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> GPS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c5ed33$c674de30$0500a8c0@PREFERREE6A566> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" With all this talk about GPS and which will take you to your destination the easiest way, what ever happened to "Dead reckoning", with a chart and a "E-6B? Anyone remember them? Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... BUT WHILE WE ARE HERE WE MIGHT AS WELL DANCE!" --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> GPS To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5ed3e$defcec80$0202a8c0@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" -----Original Message----- what ever happened to "Dead reckoning", with a chart and a "E-6B? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do they still have those things??? ;) Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:58:19 -0600 From: "Dan Michaels" Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000b01c5ed43$99950880$6401a8c0@N32394> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Nothing wrong with dead reckoning Pat, but when you live in an area that you need three charts to go anywhere and then update them, and then have the right ones in the plane, and then get to a FBO that sells them. When I fly with a GPS I still do dead reckoning I just get the info from a source other than a paper chart. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Driscoll" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: KR> GPS > With all this talk about GPS and which will take you to your > destination > the easiest way, what ever happened to "Dead reckoning", with a chart and > a "E-6B? > Anyone remember them? > Pat Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN > patrick36@usfamily.net > LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... > BUT WHILE WE ARE HERE WE MIGHT AS WELL DANCE!" > > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005 > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:47:35 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c5ed5b$3c8cbb70$a3a672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I confess that the greatest enjoyment I get from flying is the navigation part. I am always somewhat thrilled when I plan a cross country trip and everything works as planned...using visual with charts and E-6B. Such great fun, but..when I find myself a bit in doubt, my little handheld GPS is a blessing,...it usually says to me; "you're okay, you did it right". The other great asset of my GPS is it's aid in test flying your new homebuilt. It's more honest and exacting than my airspeed indicator and magnetic compass. But if it hadn't been invented or I couldn't afford it, I would have just as much fun. I do think that part of the experience of home building (for many of us) is due to the fact that one doesn't have a pocketbook or purse to support a sophisticated aircraft. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glover" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: RE: KR> GPS > -----Original Message----- > what ever happened to "Dead reckoning", with a chart and a "E-6B? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Do they still have those things??? ;) > > Steve Glover > KR-2 N902G > AJO, Ca > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:53:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: RE: KR> GPS To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051119225324.13796.qmail@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes they still have those things. The problem is that once you start using GPS you get sloppy and stop thinking properly. I fly with my GPS and have just started to force myself to fly the "old fashioned way" just to be able to handle it if the GPS ever gives up the ghost. too many people will be in trouble if their GPS's ever quit working. I am making sure that I will not be one of those people. My Sundowner has all the bells and whistles including autopilot. I have just stopped using it. Ray New Orleans Steve Glover wrote: -----Original Message----- what ever happened to "Dead reckoning", with a chart and a "E-6B? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do they still have those things??? ;) Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:04:43 -0500 From: " rparker " Subject: KR> good to be in the air again To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051120010443.26307.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I looked at my log book this morning and the last time I flew my plane was Dec 18th :-( my 100+ hours this year has been PIC ( passenger in Coach) however I got the chance today to fly (GIB) in a friends Yak-52 Russion aerobatic trainer today. [LINK: http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html] http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html There were 3 Yak-52' doing almost 4 hours of up to + and - 5 g aerobatic formation flying near Glens Falls NY. I'm am exhausted! Hopefully the pictures I took in the loops and rolls will come up. My butt was puckering up pretty tight. We were inverted in a negative G pull at 180 knots, and my camera had floated up and stuck up against the canopy (there was no way I could hold onto it, I was busy leaving my fingerprints on the rear instrument) and the canopy slid open. almost lost the camera. It probably would have hit the plane behind us. I'll admit I had to puke a little bit of coffee in my glove at the end of the last sortie to keep from making a mess of the back seat and the brand new parachute I was wearing. I'm sure glad I didnt have to use the chute 8-) Rich Parker Peterborough, NH ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:57:21 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: KR> another flight To: corvaircraft@mylist.net,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051119.205722.5476.3.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guys, Another pretty good day. I preheated the engine and was in the air at 7am. The temp on the ground was 22 deg. I preheated to 60 and the temps rose steady from there. The climb out was good and strong and I was at 2000 feet soon after turning cross wind and continued to climb to 3000 ft. I headed South for about 15 mile sand was cruising at 145 to 150 mph. I went to over fly a couple of our construction sites and see if everyone but me showed up for work. This gave me the opportunity to do some steep turns and the KR cut some of the nicest 60 deg. bank turns I have ever done. I did some roll reversing also and these were all done at 140 mph. I headed back to the North and started to build a little more speed up. I have been pretty careful not to get to fast. Today I flew for awhile at 160 to 165 mph. This was about 2900 rpm. I still had some throttle to go yet. I then started a cruise climb test from 2000 ft . to 5500 ft. I forgot to time it but at 130 indicated I set up a steady 800ft./min climb. While this was going on I started to learn the leaning out of the corvair. I had noticed last week that the right side was getting the bottom of the plane black. The exhaust temps were about 1125 when I started to lean and I was amazed at how accurate of a control I had over the temps. I was able to lean to 1350 deg. i could raise or lower the exhaust temps at will at probably 10 to 15 deg. increments. The head temps stay in the 375 deg range with the exception of the # 6 cylinder head which went to 405 deg. I turned to head back home and started a slow decent from 18 miles out. The temps dropped and worry me a little how low they got. Shock cooling could be an issue some time. The head temps dropped down into the 250 deg range.. The engine is running the smoothest that it has ever been. The only major thing that I changed was to rotate the prop 180 deg. on the prop hub. If it had been this smooth from the start I might not have thought much about vibration. The one thing that I will take a while to get used to is getting everywhere at 60 mph faster than I am used to. I can only fly a few minutes in almost any direction until an airspace of some kind pops up on the GPS. Then I have to take some kind of action of course change or altitude. The max. speed that i got to today was 173 for a short time which I bleed of for altitude to slow back to 160. The First time that the engine has give any sputter of any kins was also today. I may have cause some messing around with mixture, but just in case I gave it just a little bit of carb heat and it seemed to like that and there was no further complaints. It wasn't long until I was back in pattern and slowed to 100 mph. This is where I confess my latest sins. Last week end I started looking at my flap system because I did not think that it was working to it's potential. They are split flaps as shown on one of Mark Langford's pages. I was getting to much slop in them and did not remember it that way when they were built. I started at the flap linkage to the control horn on the flap and quickly discovered that the castle nuts on both was loose and not cotter pin installed. I corrected that and then removed the seat to check the torque tube. Here I found that the bolt holding the handle to the torque tube was pretty loose and the U shaped clamp that holds the handle assembly to the torque tube was also loose. All this has most likely been this way sense last spring when I had it painted. I find it hard to believe that I or anyone else did not find this sooner but it is fixed now. I put in the first notch of flap on base and it does enough to notice but nothing dramatic. On finial I dropped the rest and the decent rate increased and the speed bleed off much better. I was just above 70 mph over the numbers and she settled down to a wonderfully soft touch down and a shorter roll out. After departing the run way and I started to clean up for taxi back to the hanger I noticed that I was only in the 2nd notch of flaps. So it appears that I will have plenty of drag to slow me down. The 2nd notch landing today worked better than they had before in the 3rd notch which is about another 20 deg down. I think that I can safely say today was more on the fun side of flying than work. I'm happy to actually call it a YEEEEE HAAAAA day. Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:06:36 -0600 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> GPS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002001c5ed7f$6bddba90$0500a8c0@PREFERREE6A566> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some of you youngsters out there Don't remember when after learning to use the E6B and chart, we were told how to look for the navigation light towers. We could line up on a rotating light and check the chart for the direction to the next light and then follow the lights to anywhere in the country. I flew a C-45 from ElPaso to Witchita on the lights. at the same time,(at least when I started flying) we had the A-N radio range where you had to keep a steady tone in the headsets to stay on course. With a 3 degree spread on the signal, you could be 45 miles away from the station and fly in a cilcle and still keep a steady tone in the headset. By the way, I think that the only remaining light tower (Navigation type) is just a few miles from me on a bluff overlooking the Mississippi at Saint Paul. Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... 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