From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 474 Date: 11/20/2005 3:23:26 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: another flight (Joachim Saupe) 2. Re: GPS (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 3. Steve Alderman contact (wilder_jeff Wilder) 4. Re: GPS (Jerry Mahurin) 5. .....we are airworthy.....at least temporarily..... (Jerry Mahurin) 6. Re: GPS (Mark Langford) 7. email down (Brian Kraut) 8. Re: email down (Bob Glidden) 9. Nose Gear (Jaco Swanepoel) 10. Re: GPS (Scott William) 11. Re: GPS (Pat Driscoll) 12. Re: GPS (Scott William) 13. FW: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan (Steve Glover) 14. RE: FW: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan (Joachim Saupe) 15. Re: FW: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan (Scott William) 16. Corvair College 9 update (Oscar Zuniga) 17. Re: GPS (Jerry Mahurin) 18. Re: GPS (Jerry Mahurin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:53:26 -0600 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> another flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051102065326906@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII GREAT!!!! Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Joseph H. Horton > To: ; > Date: 11/19/2005 7:58:52 PM > Subject: KR> another flight > > Guys, > Another pretty good day. I preheated the engine and was in the > air at 7am. The temp on the ground was 22 deg. I preheated to 60 and > the temps rose steady from there. The climb out was good and strong > and I was at 2000 feet soon after turning cross wind and continued to > climb to 3000 ft. I headed South for about 15 mile sand was cruising > at 145 to 150 mph. I went to over fly a couple of our construction > sites and see if everyone but me showed up for work. This gave me the > opportunity to do some steep turns and the KR cut some of the nicest > 60 deg. bank turns I have ever done. I did some roll reversing also > and these were all done at 140 mph. I headed back to the North and > started to build a little more speed up. I have been pretty careful > not to get to fast. Today I flew for awhile at 160 to 165 mph. This > was about 2900 rpm. I still had some throttle to go yet. I then > started a cruise climb test from 2000 ft . to 5500 ft. I forgot to > time it but at 130 indicated I set up a steady 800ft./min climb. While > this was going on I started to learn the leaning out of the corvair. I > had noticed last week that the right side was getting the bottom of > the plane black. The exhaust temps were about 1125 when I started to > lean and I was amazed at how accurate of a control I had over the > temps. I was able to lean to 1350 deg. i could raise or lower the > exhaust temps at will at probably 10 to 15 deg. increments. The head > temps stay in the 375 deg range with the exception of the # 6 cylinder > head which went to 405 deg. I turned to head back home and started a > slow decent from 18 miles out. The temps dropped and worry me a little > how low they got. Shock cooling could be an issue some time. The head > temps dropped down into the 250 deg range.. The engine is running the > smoothest that it has ever been. The only major thing that I changed > was to rotate the prop 180 deg. on the prop hub. If it had been this smooth from the start I might not have thought much about vibration. > The one thing that I will take a while to get used to is > getting everywhere at 60 mph faster than I am used to. I can only fly > a few minutes in almost any direction until an airspace of some kind > pops up on the GPS. Then I have to take some kind of action of course > change or altitude. > The max. speed that i got to today was 173 for a short time > which I bleed of for altitude to slow back to 160. The First time > that the engine has give any sputter of any kins was also today. I may > have cause some messing around with mixture, but just in case I gave > it just a little bit of carb heat and it seemed to like that and there > was no further complaints. > It wasn't long until I was back in pattern and slowed to 100 > mph. This is where I confess my latest sins. Last week end I started > looking at my flap system because I did not think that it was working > to it's potential. They are split flaps as shown on one of Mark > Langford's pages. I was getting to much slop in them and did not > remember it that way when they were built. I started at the flap > linkage to the control horn on the flap and quickly discovered that > the castle nuts on both was loose and not cotter pin installed. I > corrected that and then removed the seat to check the torque tube. > Here I found that the bolt holding the handle to the torque tube was > pretty loose and the U shaped clamp that holds the handle assembly to > the torque tube was also loose. All this has most likely been this way > sense last spring when I had it painted. I find it hard to believe > that I or anyone else did not find this sooner but it is fixed now. > I put in the first notch of flap on base and it does enough to > notice but nothing dramatic. On finial I dropped the rest and the > decent rate increased and the speed bleed off much better. I was just > above 70 mph over the numbers and she settled down to a wonderfully > soft touch down and a shorter roll out. After departing the run way > and I started to clean up for taxi back to the hanger I noticed that I > was only in the 2nd notch of flaps. So it appears that I will have > plenty of drag to slow me down. The 2nd notch landing today worked > better than they had before in the 3rd notch which is about another 20 deg down. > I think that I can safely say today was more on the fun side > of flying than work. I'm happy to actually call it a YEEEEE HAAAAA > day. > > Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. > joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:21:08 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051120.102341.2480.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guess that I am not a youngster any more. Been there,flew that, Virg On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:06:36 -0600 "Pat Driscoll" writes: > Some of you youngsters out there Don't remember when after learning > to use the E6B and chart, we were told how to look for the > navigation light towers. We could line up on a rotating light and > check the chart for the direction to the next light and then follow > the lights to anywhere in the country. I flew a C-45 from ElPaso to > Witchita on the lights. at the same time,(at least when I started > flying) we had the A-N radio range where you had to keep a steady > tone in the headsets to stay on course. With a 3 degree spread on > the signal, you could be 45 miles away from the station and fly in a > cilcle and still keep a steady tone in the headset. > By the way, I think that the only remaining light tower > (Navigation type) is just a few miles from me on a bluff overlooking > the Mississippi at Saint Paul. > Pat Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN > patrick36@usfamily.net > LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... > BUT WHILE WE ARE HERE WE MIGHT AS WELL DANCE!" > > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:29:56 -0700 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: KR> Steve Alderman contact To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed All, I picked up the used 2180turbo last night from Gillette Wy, about a 650 mile round trip for me... and as it comes to find it, its the Revmaster 2180 engine, prop, coweling and all the goodies that came off of steve aldermans plane a few years ago. I know he is in the longmont/boulder colorado area .... does anyone have any current contact info from him, I would like to talk to him about the engine. -Jeff Wilder CISSP,CCE,C/EH -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++ G e* h--- r- y+++* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >From: "Barry Kruyssen" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods >Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:10:37 +1000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lizard.esosoft.net ([38.118.200.18]) by >mc7-f23.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:11:18 -0800 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net)by >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1EcsuU-000Af4-20for >wilder_jeff@msn.com; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:11:18 -0800 >Received: from omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com ([144.140.92.155])by >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ecstw-000AVY-4hfor >krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:10:44 -0800 >Received: from T1W100490 ([203.29.161.67]) by omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com with >SMTPid <20051117231040.BMPD1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@T1W100490>for >; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:10:40 +0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHRznqdGqUNJNltN61JvPZvIICaJH72dsA= >References: <20051117.103110.3264.1.virgnvs@juno.com> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.4 >X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >List-Id: KRnet >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: krnet-bounces+wilder_jeff=msn.com@mylist.net >Return-Path: krnet-bounces+wilder_jeff=msn.com@mylist.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 23:11:18.0740 (UTC) >FILETIME=[37875940:01C5EBCC] > >Hi All, > >I've just finished building my wing stub fuel tanks and tonight I was >going >to do the plumbing. I intend to pump fuel into the a "T" at the top of the >fuel sight gauge. >Benefits: >1. My header tank does not leak and would require no modifications that may >make it leak (also it would require major surgery to add a transfer inlet) >2. I figure (not tested yet) that I will see some fuel running through my >sight gauge as fuel is being pumped up. >3. Fuel cannot siphon back to the wing tanks if the non return valve fails. > >I know Virgil said not the bottom of the sight gauge but does any one >see a >problem with using the top and if so why. > >thanks >Barry Kruyssen >Cairns, Australia >RAA 19-3873 > >kr2@BigPond.com >http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:51 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods > > > However, Do NOT use a "T" at the bottom of the tank. > Use SEPARATE openings for the > sight gauge and the feed, Virg >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:08:43 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511200808o705db1co79fe9e4000e8acc8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .......has anyone besides me ever used a road map....and his eyeballs on the ground under him..........or read what is written on water tanks.....?? Keep on keeping on On 11/19/05, Pat Driscoll wrote: > > With all this talk about GPS and which will take you to your > destination the easiest way, what ever happened to "Dead reckoning", > with a chart and a "E-6B? Anyone remember them? > Pat Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN > patrick36@usfamily.net > LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... > BUT WHILE WE ARE HERE WE MIGHT AS WELL DANCE!" > > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:14:00 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: KR> .....we are airworthy.....at least temporarily..... To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511200814q6075a585gb59827025b4f6d5b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We had our final inspection yesterday........... No problems except the inspector did not like the fancy lettering for the N numbers. I had to run down to Lowes and get some mailbox numbers to stick on to pass inspection...... We did a little taxiing after the Champagne but it was too gusty for flying...... Dan will probably have more later....... Keep on keeping on, -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:30:36 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0bae01c5edef$bc85d020$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jerry Mahurin wrote: > .......has anyone besides me ever used a road map....and his eyeballs > on the > ground under him..........or read what is written on water > tanks.....?? I can't read the road signs, or even SEE the water tanks, from 10,500 feet... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:34:09 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> email down To: "KRnet" , , , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" My ISP has been down since sometime Friday night or Saturday morning. If anyone has sent me an email and received a reply please resend it. Again, direct to me, not the entire list. Why is it that as soon as you list a bunch of items for sale that your ISP takes a dump for the first time in a year? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:37:40 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> email down To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003f01c5edf0$b9e5b460$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original It's a sign Brian.You should hang on to your toys... Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com --- --- ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:23:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jaco Swanepoel Subject: KR> Nose Gear To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051120172333.7343.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Guys, Do any of you have a good idea on making the nose gear stearable. The nose gear is completed and fitted. I have an idea of what I want to do, but I am not convinced. The nose gear is made from a motorbike strut with a remanufactured 5mm wire thickness coil spring replacing the stock coil spring. I have a bracket fitted to the top outer sleeve of the strut, entering the cowling. I can easily fit pushrods between the rudder pedals and the bracket, but what should I do to absorb any shudder on the nose wheel. I thought of fitting coil springs over the pushrods, between the firewall and bracket, and then leaving some play on the pushrod at the bracket. This should ensure that a shudder does not have any reaction on the rudder via the pedals. The coil springs should also keep the nose wheel and rudder center with no input from the cockpit. Any thoughts please. Thanks, Jaco Swanepoel South Africa KR2S _ ZU-DVP --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051120174426.28127.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Jerry Mahurin wrote: > .......has anyone besides me ever used a road > map....and his eyeballs on the > ground under him..........or read what is written on > water tanks.....?? > I was out west once when I realized that the terrain was not like Florida...it was all flat and sectioned off into squares. Dipping down low and reading those water tanks sure was a great way to know what town you were flying over. Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:46:13 -0600 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c5edfa$4d097700$0500a8c0@PREFERREE6A566> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jerry wrote: has anyone used a road map and water towers. In 1980, I flew a Flybaby (Jack Hickey built), from Bird Island, MN to Carrabell, FL using a Chart and water towers I would fly untill my but got sore or I needed gas and then drop down to read the nearest water tower. I would then go to about two thousand feet and check the chart to see where the town was and where the nearest uncontrolled airport was. It wasn't untill I got to Fayetteville TN. that I found out that my compass was 30 degrees off. Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... BUT WHILE WE ARE HERE WE MIGHT AS WELL DANCE!" --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051120174640.21618.qmail@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Now that's OLD...... (duckin and runnin) Scott > On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:06:36 -0600 "Pat Driscoll" > writes: > > Some of you youngsters out there Don't remember > when after learning > > to use the E6B and chart, we were told how to look > for the > > navigation light towers. We could line up on a > rotating light and > > check the chart for the direction to the next > light and then follow > > the lights to anywhere in the country. I flew a > C-45 from ElPaso to > > Witchita on the lights. at the same time,(at least > when I started > > flying) we had the A-N radio range where you had > to keep a steady > > tone in the headsets to stay on course. With a 3 > degree spread on > > the signal, you could be 45 miles away from the > station and fly in a > > cilcle and still keep a steady tone in the > headset. > > By the way, I think that the only remaining > light tower > > (Navigation type) is just a few miles from me on a > bluff overlooking > > the Mississippi at Saint Paul. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:29:24 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: KR> FW: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <002b01c5ee19$7e2f4f70$0202a8c0@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Attached is a message William asked my to forward to the net... -----Original Message----- From: WilliamTCA@aol.com [mailto:WilliamTCA@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:07 AM To: kr02g@cox.net Subject: Re: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan Steve, Please forward this to the list: Friends, I was forwarded from this list Bob Unternaehrer's Comments about oil pans. Let me offer the following facts and spread some light on Bobs possible motivation. Bob's comments about our oil pans are not based in reality. They are welded by myself in a very heavy jig made from an old case. They warp very little when welded. The holes in the pan are sized .290" . By simply running a 5/16" bit through every hole, the pan will drop right on virtually any case. This is about the size hole that GM used on their pans to make up for the manufacturing placement of the holes. Although most of the case machining is very accurate from the factory, the oil pan holes are not. I discovered this when carefully measuring many cases when developing our oil pan. What Bob say at the college was a number of builders installing pans by using a rat tailed file in the .290" holes to custom fit the pan to their cases. Kevin and I very rarely do this. When we build a motor we bore the holes to 5/16" and install the pan. They never leak. The college is about showing this to builders in person. If a builder wants to take a few minutes with a file, good, otherwise, drill. As an additional thought, the way we stud the case to accept the pan makes the reworking the holes slightly more necessary. The stock oil pan is often used as a skid plate or a jack point in the car. of the 19 studs on the case often 1 or 2 will lean a few degrees of vertical, something you would not notice on any pan installed with bolts. Bolts are less desirable, so the minor fiddling with the pan or drilling out of the holes is a small issue. The 100 or so people who have one of our pans on a running motor know this to be a non issue. Bob's contention that the pan could not be reused is complete bull. Anyone who has read my website knows that I have reused the pan many times. At the college, three of the flying planes, My 601, Mark Langford's KR2S, and Steve Makish's KR2 all have one of my pans on them, that have been removed and replaced without leaking. In fact 7 of the 9 planes at the college had one of our pans on them, as did all of the motors which ran on the dyno. Obviously they work. The subject of using a Clarks pan was brought up. The weigh 6 to 9 pounds more than ours depending on the model as our pan, they do not fit in any of the mounts I have designed and they cost about the same. All of these comments are in the manual, because of course I have flown and driven all of the pan styles. Many of these comments are also in the two pages of instructions which come with the pan. All of our products come with instructions which should be considered part of the build record of your engine. After the college I found Bob's instructions with his name on them discarded where he was working. What motivates Bob, who has just come back from the college with a running motor, who bought one of our pans, installed it without leaks, and watched it run on our dyno to make comments about wanted to put on a cast pan, tell people the pan might not be reusable etc? The answer is simple, In the history of 9 colleges, and countless Jr. colleges and night schools, Bob is the only person who has ever stood up and told people at the college coming "was a waste of his time". Yes, this is from a guy who was not charged for anything but parts and left with a running motor which my crew labored late into the night to fix such problems as Bob putting some of the rocker balls in upside down. In the end he left with his engine without even saying thank you to Kevin or I. I had met Bob at numerous airshows before and generously describe him as cantankerous. I figured as a guest in my hangar he might be on better behavior. I was wrong. His abrasive style was apparent to many guests. When Bob complained about us not having an engine stand available the moment he needed it, one of the other guests unbolted their motor from one and gave it to Bob. This guy said to me quietly, "Lets get him done so he can leave". Bob was bad enough that I lost my temper with him on Saturday, and in some hash words told him that I didn't think he was acting like a guest in my hangar. Yes, Bob spent about $800 in parts at the college, but he wanted to argue every dollar and ask for a price break on most of it. This is odd to me because he claimed to have spent more than $600 in Kansas for his valve job, which I thought was poor. We even took the time to weld up the nose on his junkyard starter to save him money rather than buy a new one from us off the shelf. Every word I have written about the colleges stresses education and progress in the company of friends. The joke of this is Bob doesn't even have an airplane for his engine that he was in such a rush to build. Although he was able to go home with a complete running engine, which he may regard as mission accomplished, I feel bad for him because I think he missed all the real benefits of coming to the college. Since Bob spends a lot of time on the net I think that it is important that readers have the full background before lending any credence to Bobs comments about my oil pans or anything else we do or make. You can pioneer the least expensive engine on the market, hold free events, provide the facility and expertise to build and run their motor for free, and 1% of the people like Bob will still go home, get on the net and tell people we don't know how to make or install an oil pan. It is part of business, its just not my favorite part. Thanks, William ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:22:18 -0600 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> FW: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051102022221815@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Very interesting! Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Steve Glover > To: KR Net > Date: 11/20/2005 3:28:11 PM > Subject: KR> FW: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan > > Attached is a message William asked my to forward to the net... > > -----Original Message----- > From: WilliamTCA@aol.com [mailto:WilliamTCA@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:07 AM > To: kr02g@cox.net > Subject: Re: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan > > > Steve, > > Please forward this to the list: > > > Friends, > > I was forwarded from this list Bob Unternaehrer's Comments about oil > pans. Let me offer the following facts and spread some light on Bobs ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> FW: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051120222356.84363.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Well....I didn't see any comments that are being discussed here, but I did look at the Wynne oil pan, and I will say this...I think it's design lends itself to reusage more than a steel pan does. Those darn factory oil pans always dimple at the bolt holes, and ya gotta sit there with a ball peen hammer and a block of wood and knock back all the dimples. Wynne's oil pan is aluminum, which wouldn't do that. Seems to me that it's a very good quality piece, and when I saw the pic of him hand welding those darn things, I'd have to say the price certainly is more than fair. I did see some old magnesium Otto pans for sale on Ebay...they looked sweeeeet!!! Just not a very deep sump, and it seems they wouldn't lend themselves to flying too well. Keep up the good work Mr. Wynne.........Your dedication shows. Scott --- Steve Glover wrote: > Attached is a message William asked my to forward to > the net... > > -----Original Message----- > From: WilliamTCA@aol.com [mailto:WilliamTCA@aol.com] > > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:07 AM > To: kr02g@cox.net > Subject: Re: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan > > > Steve, > > Please forward this to the list: > > > Friends, > > I was forwarded from this list Bob Unternaehrer's > Comments about oil > pans. Let me offer the following facts and spread > some light on Bobs > possible motivation. > > Bob's comments about our oil pans are not based in > reality. They are > welded by myself in a very heavy jig made from an > old case. They warp > very little when welded. The holes in the pan are > sized .290" . By > simply running a 5/16" bit through every hole, the > pan will drop right > on virtually any case. This is about the size hole > that GM used on their > pans to make up for the manufacturing placement of > the holes. Although > most of the case machining is very accurate from the > factory, the oil > pan holes are not. I discovered this when carefully > measuring many cases > when developing our oil pan. > > What Bob say at the college was a number of builders > installing pans by > using a rat tailed file in the .290" holes to custom > fit the pan to > their cases. Kevin and I very rarely do this. When > we build a motor we > bore the holes to 5/16" and install the pan. They > never leak. The > college is about showing this to builders in person. > If a builder wants > to take a few minutes with a file, good, otherwise, > drill. > > As an additional thought, the way we stud the case > to accept the pan > makes the reworking the holes slightly more > necessary. The stock oil pan > is often used as a skid plate or a jack point in the > car. of the 19 > studs on the case often 1 or 2 will lean a few > degrees of vertical, > something you would not notice on any pan installed > with bolts. Bolts > are less desirable, so the minor fiddling with the > pan or drilling out > of the holes is a small issue. The 100 or so people > who have one of our > pans on a running motor know this to be a non issue. > > Bob's contention that the pan could not be reused is > complete bull. > Anyone who has read my website knows that I have > reused the pan many > times. At the college, three of the flying planes, > My 601, Mark > Langford's KR2S, and Steve Makish's KR2 all have one > of my pans on them, > that have been removed and replaced without leaking. > In fact 7 of the 9 > planes at the college had one of our pans on them, > as did all of the > motors which ran on the dyno. Obviously they work. > > The subject of using a Clarks pan was brought up. > The weigh 6 to 9 > pounds more than ours depending on the model as our > pan, they do not fit > in any of the mounts I have designed and they cost > about the same. All > of these comments are in the manual, because of > course I have flown and > driven all of the pan styles. Many of these comments > are also in the two > pages of instructions which come with the pan. All > of our products come > with instructions which should be considered part of > the build record of > your engine. After the college I found Bob's > instructions with his name > on them discarded where he was working. > > What motivates Bob, who has just come back from the > college with a > running motor, who bought one of our pans, installed > it without leaks, > and watched it run on our dyno to make comments > about wanted to put on a > cast pan, tell people the pan might not be reusable > etc? > > The answer is simple, In the history of 9 colleges, > and countless Jr. > colleges and night schools, Bob is the only person > who has ever stood up > and told people at the college coming "was a waste > of his time". Yes, > this is from a guy who was not charged for anything > but parts and left > with a running motor which my crew labored late into > the night to fix > such problems as Bob putting some of the rocker > balls in upside down. In > the end he left with his engine without even saying > thank you to Kevin > or I. > > I had met Bob at numerous airshows before and > generously describe him as > cantankerous. I figured as a guest in my hangar he > might be on better > behavior. I was wrong. His abrasive style was > apparent to many guests. > When Bob complained about us not having an engine > stand available the > moment he needed it, one of the other guests > unbolted their motor from > one and gave it to Bob. This guy said to me quietly, > "Lets get him done > so he can leave". Bob was bad enough that I lost my > temper with him on > Saturday, and in some hash words told him that I > didn't think he was > acting like a guest in my hangar. > > Yes, Bob spent about $800 in parts at the college, > but he wanted to > argue every dollar and ask for a price break on most > of it. This is odd > to me because he claimed to have spent more than > $600 in Kansas for his > valve job, which I thought was poor. We even took > the time to weld up > the nose on his junkyard starter to save him money > rather than buy a new > one from us off the shelf. Every word I have written > about the colleges > stresses education and progress in the company of > friends. The joke of > this is Bob doesn't even have an airplane for his > engine that he was in > such a rush to build. Although he was able to go > home with a complete > running engine, which he may regard as mission > accomplished, I feel bad > for him because I think he missed all the real > benefits of coming to the > college. > > Since Bob spends a lot of time on the net I think > that it is important > that readers have the full background before lending > any credence to > Bobs comments about my oil pans or anything else we > do or make. You can > pioneer the least expensive engine on the market, > hold free events, > provide the facility and expertise to build and run > their motor for > free, and 1% of the people like Bob will still go > home, get on the net > and tell people we don't know how to make or install > an oil pan. It is > part of business, its just not my favorite part. > > Thanks, William > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:14:04 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Corvair College 9 update To: krnet@mylist.net, pietenpol-list@matronics.com, corvaircraft@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed William has posted the final three parts to the report (pictures and text) from Corvair College 9, parts III, IV, and V. You can access them by scrolling to the bottom of the page, at http://www.flycorvair.com/cc9a.html and clicking on the parts you haven't seen yet. The report was broken into parts for faster loading and easier reading. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:20:54 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511201520p354b2acbr65670b825366317b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .....why would anyone want to fly that hight, except to go over montains. You miss counting the cows or waving at the water skiers.... There is nothing to see except some clouds....and hope there ain't too many of those. Low flight is so much more beautiful....... Just my .02 cents worth...... Keep on keeping on.....whatever you may be doing.... On 11/20/05, Mark Langford wrote: > > Jerry Mahurin wrote: > > > .......has anyone besides me ever used a road map....and his eyeballs on > the > > ground under him..........or read what is written on water tanks.....?? > > I can't read the road signs, or even SEE the water tanks, from 10,500 > feet... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:22:45 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: Re: KR> GPS To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511201522y49b4b8e5t9a5a952af0b489e8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ............at least they had a radio of some sort when HE started flying...... Move over in the foxhole........... On 11/20/05, Scott William wrote: > > Now that's OLD...... > > (duckin and runnin) > > Scott > > > On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:06:36 -0600 "Pat Driscoll" > > writes: > > > Some of you youngsters out there Don't remember > > when after learning > > > to use the E6B and chart, we were told how to look > > for the > > > navigation light towers. We could line up on a > > rotating light and > > > check the chart for the direction to the next > > light and then follow > > > the lights to anywhere in the country. I flew a > > C-45 from ElPaso to > > > Witchita on the lights. at the same time,(at least > > when I started > > > flying) we had the A-N radio range where you had > > to keep a steady > > > tone in the headsets to stay on course. With a 3 > > degree spread on > > > the signal, you could be 45 miles away from the > > station and fly in a > > > cilcle and still keep a steady tone in the > > headset. > > > By the way, I think that the only remaining > > light tower > > > (Navigation type) is just a few miles from me on a > > bluff overlooking > > > the Mississippi at Saint Paul. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 474 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================