From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 492 Date: 11/30/2005 9:00:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Corvair Engine (Scott William) 2. Re: Warp Drive Prop (james dunn) 3. Re: Corvair Engine (Bart Ransom) 4. "Reply To Me Off Net" (Dan Heath) 5. Re: Corvair Engine (Scott William) 6. RE: Warp Drive Prop (wilder_jeff Wilder) 7. Accusations... (Steve Glover) 8. priming (Colin Rainey) 9. RE: primer (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 10. RE: primer (Brian Kraut) 11. KR Gathering web page (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 12. RE: Wingspan (Doug Rupert) 13. Re: Warp Drive Prop (Steelef@aol.com) 14. Re: Warp Post (Scott Cable) 15. Re: KR Gathering web page (M & C) 16. Primer system -corvair (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 17. High altitude flying (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 18. WHat to say and what not to say.. (Scott William) 19. Re: Warp Post (Bob Glidden) 20. RE: Primer system -corvair (Aerocarb) (Steve Glover) 21. Re: Accusations... (Lee Van Dyke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:17:43 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: KR> Corvair Engine To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051130211743.90455.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My engine has been sold. Thank you to everyone for your interest. Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:20:53 -0500 (EST) From: james dunn Subject: Re: KR> Warp Drive Prop To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051130212054.22504.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Scott Cable, I couldn't help noticing that you are talking about a warp drive prop that you have been donating to the KR prop bank. I wonder Scott, is this the same prop that I purchased with the "Blue Dream" but which somehow disappeared along with the corvair engine when I asked to have them shipped to me. I can only surmise that it is, as I purchased a warp drive prop from you and have not recieved it and you sold me a warp drive prop and appear to still have one. So with that said the only thing I can see that Mark Jones needs to do is absolutely nothing seeing how I own the prop. What goes around, comes around Scott. Have a nice day. James Dunn Mark Jones, Since I haven't heard anything further about my Warp Drive Prop, I thought that I would write you to give you the opportunity to make things right. Prior to shipping you my prop for use in the KR prop bank, I had replaced all of the hardware. I had the propeller hub and spinner bulkhead Dye Penetrant inspected by a friend at work (I was working for a little aircraft company called Boeing), to insure serviceablity of the prop for aircraft use. Never mind the fact that the prop had been removed from a corvair powered soneri that had been flying with no issues...Yet,You reported a vibration from it, which you blamed on a balance issue. What is suspect is the manner in which you mounted my prop to your airplane. I had supplied you Warp Drive's website in numerous emails, yet the prop was way over-torqued. I also suspect that when you assembled the prop and hub, you didn't bother assembling the proper blade into the correct location and or re-index the prop hub halves. Can you not follow simple instructions? This is the condition that I recieved my prop back in: The bolts are stripped from obviously being way over-torqued. Missing bolts and nuts. The bolt heads have been stripped from the use of pliers. The prop hub has eyebrow inclusions on it where the prop attach bolts were over-torqued. The propeller hub has nicks / gouges on it. The spinner bulkhead has knife edge burrs in all of the attachment holes. I know the burrs were not there when I sent it to you as I had the prop hub and spinner bulkhead Dye Penetrant inspected and all of the holes were de-burred /chamfered. This is what needs to be done: Replace the stripped / missing hardware. Contact Warp Drive for the replacement hardware kit. Reimburse me the expenses required to bring the propeller hub back to serviceable condition. I'm going to need to send the hub back to Warp Drive to have it inspected, refaced or replaced. Replace the Spinner bulkhead. The bulkhead is now un-serviceable because in order to remove the knife edge burrs, the holes will get elongated and will cause the spinner to wobble, vibrate and fail. Please reference the email below that I recieved from Mark Langford prior to shipping me back my prop. Mark Langford wrote: From: "Mark Langford" To: Subject: Re: Warp Drive Prop Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:40:27 -0500 Scott, I'll ship your prop back tomorrow. I never got a chance to test it using the vibration data logger due to time constraints, and never mounted it to the plane or did anything else with it since I brought it home from Jone's house. I took it apart to ship it tonight and two of the nuts were stripped due to over torquing. They were low height shear nuts, and over torqued by at least a factor of two, so that's not surprising. Jones reported a vibration from it, and that may have been why. I couldn't get the nuts off without drilling the end of the bolt/nut out, but that eventually worked without damaging the hub. I'd have put some new full height nuts in the box but my nut box is at the airport so I had to leave them out. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama Scott Cable Jamestown, ND s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bart Ransom Subject: Re: KR> Corvair Engine To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051130213356.71666.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 What about the KR-parts Scott William wrote: My engine has been sold. Thank you to everyone for your interest. Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:50:15 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> "Reply To Me Off Net" To: Message-ID: <438E1E97.000008.03820@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here is Scott William's e-mail address. If anyone needs to have a personal discussion with him about parts or anything else, all you have to do, is click on it. scottly@yahoo.com See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:51:26 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> Corvair Engine To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051130215126.78514.qmail@web31513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I never had KR parts for sale. Scott --- Bart Ransom wrote: > What about the KR-parts > > Scott William wrote: My engine > has been sold. Thank you to everyone for > your interest. > > > Scott > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:51:43 -0700 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: RE: KR> Warp Drive Prop To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I can understand being upset... but that was kinda harsh to send something like that to the group!.. Ouch! -Jeff Wilder CISSP,CCE,C/EH -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++ G e* h--- r- y+++* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >From: Scott Cable >Reply-To: KRnet >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: KR> Warp Drive Prop >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:08:04 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lizard.esosoft.net ([38.118.200.18]) by >mc11-f13.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:08:28 -0800 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net)by >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1EhUV4-0009c5-PB; Wed, 30 Nov >2005 08:08:06 -0800 >Received: from web53012.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.49.42])by >lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhUV3-0009c0-Rsfor >krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:08:06 -0800 >Received: (qmail 52100 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2005 16:08:05 -0000 >Received: from [63.241.174.129] by web53012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP;Wed, 30 >Nov 2005 08:08:04 PST >X-Message-Info: loPmDlX8Lgd0WylChiDpvUY+FA3sd9gfLInislYAQqw= >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; >d=yahoo.com;h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding;b=p7Ea9uMzbMzatG4tuiW1aiJFkqWEN6NnJAdittnz1/JXABvz8nVzifB3KcGTv2w8uASskV6xJITwVhjpvSA+Ao0dYaKWhSSgtrCs+Ms7+TWgHmn89S7Ei/kJW+yPF9MiOBD2qIGUCi2qWXMX5SSmKqw1Aw4v3MfhrzjLZKFe6ak=; >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.4 >X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >List-Id: KRnet >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >Return-Path: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 16:08:29.0974 (UTC) >FILETIME=[4DEF9B60:01C5F5C8] > >Mark Jones, > Since I haven't heard anything further about my Warp Drive Prop, I >thought that I would write you to give you the opportunity to make things >right. > Prior to shipping you my prop for use in the KR prop bank, I had >replaced all of the hardware. I had the propeller hub and spinner bulkhead >Dye Penetrant inspected by a friend at work (I was working for a little >aircraft company called Boeing), to insure serviceablity of the prop for >aircraft use. > Never mind the fact that the prop had been removed from a corvair >powered soneri that had been flying with no issues...Yet,You reported a >vibration from it, which you blamed on a balance issue. What is suspect is >the manner in which you mounted my prop to your airplane. I had supplied >you Warp Drive's website in numerous emails, yet the prop was way >over-torqued. I also suspect that when you assembled the prop and hub, you >didn't bother assembling the proper blade into the correct location and or >re-index the prop hub halves. Can you not follow simple instructions? > > This is the condition that I recieved my prop back in: > The bolts are stripped from obviously being way over-torqued. > Missing bolts and nuts. > The bolt heads have been stripped from the use of pliers. > The prop hub has eyebrow inclusions on it where the prop attach >bolts >were over-torqued. > The propeller hub has nicks / gouges on it. > The spinner bulkhead has knife edge burrs in all of the attachment >holes. > I know the burrs were not there when I sent it to you as I had the >prop hub and spinner bulkhead Dye Penetrant inspected and all of the holes >were de-burred /chamfered. > > This is what needs to be done: > Replace the stripped / missing hardware. Contact Warp Drive for the >replacement hardware kit. > Reimburse me the expenses required to bring the propeller hub back to >serviceable condition. I'm going to need to send the hub back to Warp >Drive to have it inspected, refaced or replaced. > Replace the Spinner bulkhead. The bulkhead is now un-serviceable >because in order to remove the knife edge burrs, the holes will get >elongated and will cause the spinner to wobble, vibrate and fail. > > Please reference the email below that I recieved from Mark Langford >prior to shipping me back my prop. > >Mark Langford wrote: > From: "Mark Langford" >To: >Subject: Re: Warp Drive Prop >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:40:27 -0500 > > > Scott, I'll ship your prop back tomorrow. I never got a chance >to >test it using the vibration data logger due to time constraints, and never >mounted it to the plane or did anything else with it since I brought it >home from Jone's house. I took it apart to ship it tonight and two of the >nuts were stripped due to over torquing. They were low height shear nuts, >and over torqued by at least a factor of two, so that's not surprising. >Jones reported a vibration from it, and that may have been why. I couldn't >get the nuts off without drilling the end of the bolt/nut out, but that >eventually worked without damaging the hub. I'd have put some new full >height nuts in the box but my nut box is at the airport so I had to leave >them out. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > > >Scott Cable >Jamestown, ND >s2cable1@yahoo.com > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:31:28 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: KR> Accusations... To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000c01c5f5fd$d16279b0$0202a8c0@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can understand being upset... but that was kinda harsh to send something like that to the group!.. -----Original Message----- Especially given Mark's credibility and reputation on the net as well as with any KR related events. Mark is one of the first ones to offer assistance or take initiative to help another builder/pilot, and gives freely of his time to honor our own with the EAA memorials. My personal experience with Mark from the Gatherings and individual correspondence has found him to be a man of great character and whom I am privileged to call my friend. I seriously doubt Mark has any dishonest tendencies and would recommend anyone with these type of accusations to make sure they do not skew the circumstances in their favor. The KR family is a small place and the truth will be known... Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:10:26 -0500 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> priming To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-22005113302310266@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Excellent posts Kevin and Steve. Between the three of us I believe we not only covered all points, but also clarified our individual positions both from a pilot and builder perspective. Netters will know better how to interpret if needed what we say, and what questions to ask. I respect what you are saying Kevin about knowing your airplane, and agree with what you say about things like leaning the engine for takeoff. The Cessna manual actually says to lean for best power, even for takeoff when the "density" altitude is 3000 feet or higher. Due to the hot air intake on the C172RG, we would religiously have to lean on takeoff or full power could not be reached. I cannot tell you how many times I had to lean the mixture for a student at only 1500 feet, because the temps had the density altitude at 3500 feet etc... I have been guilty and just caution other netters as well from over simplifying topics causing confusion or mis-understanding. Great posts, and thanks... Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:17:04 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: RE: KR> primer To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051130165707.03de4d40@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >I had a push primer in my VP and have one in my 172, >I have failed to lock it and didn;t notice any problem. >Steve Bray ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve, You may just be lucky or your fuel systems tolerate the unlocked primer better than others. A good friend of mine, who has over 1000 hours of flight time and has built five airplanes, had trouble with my Tripacer primer on two occasions . It was not fully closed and locked and caused a fuel leak on the ground after shutdown and very rough engine while taxiing in. I suspect it was compensated for in flight by leaning the mixture which he did on a regular basis. I suspect it was closed at startup but not locked and opened a bit during flight. As for priming during cranking, since my cowl fire I'm all for priming with the engine turning over if you can manage with the setup you have. I now use my accelerator pump on the throttle to prime with the engine cranking. Not all carbs have the accelerator pump so that may not be an option for everyone. Someone mentioned they were surprised at all the post generated by the primer issue. You never know what pushes someone's hot button. I attended a meeting once with our entire service team where we had many business issues to cover. The item that pushed everyone's hot button was washing the company vehicles. My manager left the meeting shaking his head in disbelief. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:24:56 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> primer To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have one comment on primers. Be sure that you keep some slack in the primer tube where it connects to the intake manifold. The best thing is to wrap one complete loop in the line about 2" diameter. This is to allow some flex in the line before it breaks. Also be sure you check the line regularly. I had the cowl off my Stang about a month ago and found that the copper tube was broken right where it went into the fitting on the intake spider and it did have the loop in it. Luckilly I found the break before I wound up with a fire under the cowl from spraying my prime on the side of the carb instead of into the intake. Mine broke from a bend that was too sharp, but the constant vibration of the engine can work harden the tube and break it also. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -- ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:27:20 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: KR> KR Gathering web page To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051130182303.02775f10@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Have you been to http://www.krgathering.org/ lately and checked out the work of Bob Lee to update the site and give it a new look? Check out the various links and see what's there. Thanks Bob !! Check it out now !!!! I'd ask "how many days till the Gathering?" but I guess we can wait until after the first of the year to start the countdown. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:56:55 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Wingspan To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001b01c5f612$255ca540$5c04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hey Colin I miss something or what? Learned? NOT just a pile of hours figuring out if the engineers were lying before the aircraft was released for use in the Army. Doug p.s. Most of the time the aircraft proved up to claims but every now and then the crowbar would be needed to extract the armored seat pan from my arse cheeks when I managed to throw something at the bird that engineer types don't think of. (combat gross weight is always higher than the book says) There are more learned than I, say Jim Ferris, and Doug Rupert that can comment further if this thread continues.... Colin Rainey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:34:28 EST From: Steelef@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Warp Drive Prop To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1e6.49054d11.30bfad24@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Phil, Well stated, Mate. Franc Steel, Houston,TX ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:18:40 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Warp Post To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051201021840.40630.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Phil and netters, That Warp Drive post was indeed meant to go to the KRNet. I thought long and hard over sending it to begin with, however, I feel very strongly that the intent of my email was to bring to light some actions of our fellow KRNet posters. Specificly the Prop Bank, and the condition in which I received my prop back from the Prop Bank. I'm quite sure that had these set of circumstances had happened to you, that you too would have posted something at least as, or allot harsher than I did. To be completely fair about this, let me assure everyone that I do indeed like and respect Mark Jones very much. I also appreciate everthing that he's been doing over the last several years with his involvement with promoting the KR, EAA, Oshkosh, the Ken Rand Memorial and Steve Jones (did I forget anything?). I still believe that Mark is a great guy, but Mark is only human, and subject to, like the rest of us, the human condition, and lord know we all make mistakes and mis-steps. I received an email from Mark Jones and he has assured me that he will make things right. Phil Matheson wrote: I Hope this was meant to be private. ( if not is very embarrassing to read) But now it has been all over the net. Could we all be very careful when sending those sorts of posts, making sure they only go to the people who need to see them them. Scott Cable Jamestown, ND s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:06:46 -0600 From: "M & C" Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering web page To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I want to know, how many day. Where in the ---L is Mark Jones Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri Swing the prop and light the fire, dance amoung the stars.........N642MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:27 PM Subject: KR> KR Gathering web page > I'd ask "how many days till the Gathering?" but I guess we can wait > until after the first of the year to start the countdown. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:08:23 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Primer system -corvair To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <279.e7c631.30bfc327@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have the simplist primer system of all...NONE. With the aerocarb on the corvair I just turn on the fuel - mixture rich - count to five and turn the prop over. When the engine is cold it will sometime take a couple extra revolutions to start - I call it "pre-oiling" which is good for the engine. When warm it usually start withing a blade or two. I have liked the aerocarb so far...300 hours - no carb heat - to fuel pumps to worry about - gravity seems to have not stopped working suddenly...easy to maintain and heavier (because of the extra cash left in my wallet..ha -ha) Just kidding - it is very light. Could I get better performance out of an Ellison..maybe - but Im too busy going places to find out - plus it will work better with the turbo. Back to flying.... Bill and 41768 (15 months old and 300 hours ---loving it!) ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:29:27 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> High altitude flying To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <26c.103fddc.30bfc817@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Having flown various aricraft as student and as CFI I will have to agree with Colin that you learn the leaning procedures for YOUR engine well. It can make a huge difference in performance in a low margin situation. A Cessna 185 on a jungle strip that can take off at gross and only use 1200' of dirt runway and clear trees or bolders on the end will also eat up 7000-8000 feet of beautiful pavement out of 12,000 available when leaving Quito. (Ecuador). Quito happens to have a field elevation of 10,000' and if you do not have the engine leaned out for full power ( which at 10'000 feet will actually be only arount 70% power or less) you will not make it off the runway and if you did you would not be able to climb out of the bowl the airstrip is in and you will join some lovely displays of pilot ineppness on the hillside surrounding the capitol ! So my point - get to know your airplane - how well does it climb at specific density altitudes with specified weights and then allow yourself plenty of margin. Send someone home on the bus and fly out solo if you have to. Other procedures such as leaning in a climb and enrichening in a descent are also not taught well. If you have to get a competent instructor that has high altitude - high performance aircraft training to sit down and go through procedures with you. Pick out a plane like the Cessna 210 (non -turbo model) to look at the performance charts - these may help you understand the procedures and you can make up a test and chart your airplanes performance. My two cents worth - study and make a better pilot out of yourself ! I am currently going back through my commercial manuevers and will start to draw up a practice program for myself - how long since anybody did a turn about a point, or lazy eights ...time for me to brush up on my skills - Im also going up for some aerobatic training soon. Like my dad says - you needed have to use the training but it helps to keep the mind sharp! MEERY CHRISTMAS TO ALL KRNETTERS - Bill and 41768 - oh - and Elaine says Hi! ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:32:39 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: KR> WHat to say and what not to say.. To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051201033239.37589.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Netters: WHen I was a very low time pilot, I used to walk around wondering what I was missing......guys who were veteran flyers would speak about such things that I never heard about from my instructor. Things that come to mind are engine-alphabet-soup, hot air intake, variable pitch props, ground loops, and (gulp)composite airplanes. I soloed in 7 hrs and exam'd in 42 hrs, passing with ease, yet walking away feeling like I hadn't learned much. I made it a point to listen to things I never heard, then go and READ everything I could on the subject so I knew what the hell the old bench fliers were talking about. My point: Don't fear talking about things such as primers and the like.....many young pups are out there listening and eager to learn, yet smart enough not to take what you say as gospel. All you're doing is spawning a learning process, and that's a very good thing.... Before I came to this group, I though a longeron was a new species of fish thought to be extinct. Fiberglass? Corvettes and boats, not airplanes.....Boy did you guys show me a thing or two. Keep on keepin' on..........you're a wealth of knowledge and us sponges are here waiting to soak it up. Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:48:09 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Warp Post To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002f01c5f62a$0bcb7670$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original It's kind of funny how we like people and think they are great,but yet we refer to them as MORONS,and how stupid they are.But then they are human and do make mistakes.I know for a fact that Marks email is all over the KRnet and you have already stated you have his work number,so why if for no other reason then to be little a hell of a guy would you post something like that to the hole net.I sometimes have thoughts that Mark J is a piece of crap also,but I call him and tell him,not post to the hole net.That is one thing I find wrong with the internet,somebody can get mad at somebody and send emails to hundreds of people that know him and call him names to all his friends.Should have been sent privatel and would have got the same end result...Just a thought. Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com --- --- ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:08:39 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> Primer system -corvair (Aerocarb) To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001301c5f62c$ebf93960$0202a8c0@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have the simplist primer system of all...NONE. With the aerocarb on the corvair I just turn on the fuel - mixture rich - count to five and turn the prop over.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Net Fans, I have a ACV-C03 Aero Carb for sale if anyone is interested. $275 and it's yours... Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:43:33 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Re: KR> Accusations... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004801c5f631$c8e37f30$6401a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" WOW!!!!!! WOW WOW WOW.... MARK......WOW SORRY Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 492 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================