From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 498 Date: 12/4/2005 9:00:22 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. air/fuel mixture meter, dirt cheap and cool! (Mark Langford) 2. Re: control movement for airlerons (Mark Langford) 3. High Flight (Robert L. Stone) 4. Re: High Flight (Allen Wiesner ) 5. Re: air/fuel mixture meter, dirt cheap and cool! (Martindale Family) 6. another reason for iwning your own plane (Lee Van Dyke) 7. RE: (Brian Kraut) 8. RE: another reason for owning your own plane (Steve Bray) 9. RE: air/fuel mixture meter, dirt cheap and cool! (Steve Bray) 10. Re: High Flight (iennaco@att.net) 11. aileron hinges. (Harold Woods) 12. High Flight (Robert L. Stone) 13. Re: aileron hinges. (Scott William) 14. Re: aileron hinges. (Dan Heath) 15. Re: aileron hinges. (Ameet Savant) 16. learning things (Colin Rainey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:52:01 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> air/fuel mixture meter, dirt cheap and cool! To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Cc: KRnet Message-ID: <009a01c5f903$cfc9bc90$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" VairHeads, As many of you know, I have an LED air/fuel mixture meter in my airplane, and I consider it to be an invaluable tool for setting up the carb initially, as well as leaning during flight, and even troubleshooting engine problems later on. I was doing a little reasearch to help a KR builder find something similar, and stumbled across a daylight readable "analog display" LCD version that is a mere $20, and ready to install. All you need to finish it is a $30 "one wire" Bosch O2 sensor and an 18mm sensor "bung" or boss welded into you exhaust manifold ($14 from www.burnsstainless.com and other places). I've got to get one of these jewels, because it will fit in the hole where my useless Tiny Tach now lives (well, it's dead, after only 4 months), freeing up the 52mm hole where my current A/F meter is now for something else. See the bottom paragraph at http://my.tbaytel.net/guskers/gauges.html and follow the two links at the bottom. I think all of my cars are about to have A/F meters... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:57:59 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> control movement for airlerons To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a401c5f904$a50857e0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve Phillabaum wrote: >> Just put the assemble together for the welder. I noticed that the >> shuttle rod movement may only be 1.75". (This would be the aileron movement at the cable contact for those that don't know of the system). For those whom used this same set up I would like to know if this is OK? or Should I redo? I Might be able to tweek it to get 2" of travel but no more.<< This doesn't answer your question, but can't you just drill another hole in your aileron bellcranks to make the throw shorter? Maybe not, and I have no idea, having never built a set, but I would think so, IF you don't have enough travel. I have plenty of aileron travel, but my bellcrank is custom made. I guess I'll let somebody else answer this one though. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:50:22 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> High Flight To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: <000301c5f914$58b20110$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Netters, I am sure all of you guys have heard the famous poem "HIGH FLIGHT" written by a world war II fighter pilot by the name of John Gillespie Magee, Jr. I would like to know some more history about the man who wrote this magnificent poem. If any of you out there can come up with some more facts about him, I would appriciate it. I have heard that at sometime during the war, he was shot down and killed in action but that's all I know about him. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:01:37 -0500 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> High Flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002b01c5f915$eb5f06b0$5d0cda42@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob: Try the following link: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/prewwii/jgm.htm A Google search of the name will get you about 80,000 more hits. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:03:28 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> air/fuel mixture meter, dirt cheap and cool! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002c01c5f916$2cf6dda0$577aecdc@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Aye. Just what the boy wants. Now if someone would invent a sensor that didn't mind leaded fuel I'd be really happy. Be nice to calibrate the gauge. Does anyone have a mixture to voltage graph to hand? Thanks Mark. John Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Cc: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:52 AM Subject: KR> air/fuel mixture meter, dirt cheap and cool! > VairHeads, > > As many of you know, I have an LED air/fuel mixture meter in my > airplane, and I consider it to be an invaluable tool for setting up > the carb initially, as well as leaning during flight, and even > troubleshooting engine > problems later on. I was doing a little reasearch to help a KR > builder find > something similar, and stumbled across a daylight readable "analog display" > LCD version that is a mere $20, and ready to install. All you need to > finish it is a $30 "one wire" Bosch O2 sensor and an 18mm sensor > "bung" or boss welded into you exhaust manifold ($14 from > www.burnsstainless.com and other places). I've got to get one of > these jewels, because it will fit in > the hole where my useless Tiny Tach now lives (well, it's dead, after > only 4 > months), freeing up the 52mm hole where my current A/F meter is now > for something else. See the bottom paragraph at > http://my.tbaytel.net/guskers/gauges.html and follow the two links at > the bottom. I think all of my cars are about to have A/F meters... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:53:38 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: KR> another reason for iwning your own plane To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c5f925$90929980$6701a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, I have another flying story to tell you about. I was somewhat unimpressed with my last flight to Yuma (150 mile trip). The fuel consumption was too high, the RPM's too low and the speed was about right. Friday I had some work in Yuma, and if I drive it's about 3 hours one way, 3 hours of work and 3 hours back. (9 hours, in a mini cooper) I thought I would give it another try, well the results were impressive, for me at least. I took off about 11 AM for Yuma, there was alittle head wind, but the fuel usage was looking better, I flew at 6500, 1.7 hours, I landed and asked the fbo to fill it up and I walked over to get my rental car. 3 hours later I was back in my plane getting ready to fly back, total fuel 7 gallons. I fired the plane up and headed to the runway, sat and waited for a Kingair to t/o and a 172. I followed the 172 and everything was looking good. 1 hour and 20 minutes later I was in front of my hanger. I flew @ 7500 MSL on the way back and was able to lean the posa out for and average of 3.5 gph. I don't think I burned 5 gals on the way back. Do the math, alittle over 3 hours in the air, 3 hours working I saved 3 hours and the miles on my car, and I had a great time in the KR2. Oh by the way the weather was overcast and about 74 degrees. I know most of the northern part of the country is getting cold and the flying stories will be fewer, If you want I can post some more of my flights if you want. It sure is better flying than sanding and painting..... Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:54:22 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> RE: To: "STEVE bennett" Cc: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That is better than I would expect. Must have been a light weight KR with no electrical system? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: STEVE bennett [mailto:iflyavw@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:03 PM To: brian.kraut@engalt.com Subject: Brian, My origiinal KR-1 that I first flew in 1977 had a stock 1600cc engine. It flew just fiine for about 8 years on this engine until I upgraded it to an 1835. Climb was 700 to 800 fpm, cruise was about 130 mph. I am 6'2 and weighed about 205 at the time. Empy weight of the KR-1 was right at 500 lbs. Steve Bennett ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:54:43 -0600 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: RE: KR> another reason for owning your own plane To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello Lee 74 degrees wow. In theory you can deduct your trip. my accountant told my not to get their attention. I have a friend that gets re-reimbursed for airline tickets and fly's his LongEasy, seems to work for him. Keep the storys coming. 74 degrees, wow. Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Lee Van Dyke" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: KR> another reason for iwning your own plane >Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:53:38 -0700 > >Netters, > >I have another flying story to tell you about. I was somewhat >unimpressed >with my last flight to Yuma (150 mile trip). The fuel consumption was too >high, the RPM's too low and the speed was about right. >Friday I had some work in Yuma, and if I drive it's about 3 hours one way, >3 hours of work and 3 hours back. (9 hours, in a mini cooper) I thought I >would give it another try, well the results were impressive, for me at >least. I took off about 11 AM for Yuma, there was alittle head wind, but >the fuel usage was looking better, I flew at 6500, 1.7 hours, I landed and >asked the fbo to fill it up and I walked over to get my rental car. 3 hours >later I was back in my plane getting ready to fly back, total fuel 7 >gallons. I fired the plane up and headed to the runway, sat and waited for >a Kingair to t/o and a 172. I followed the 172 and everything was looking >good. 1 hour and 20 minutes later I was in front of my hanger. I flew @ >7500 MSL on the way back and was able to lean the posa out for and average >of 3.5 gph. I don't think I burned 5 gals on the way back. Do the math, >alittle over 3 hours in the air, 3 hours working I saved 3 hours and the >miles on my car, and I had a great time in the KR2. Oh by the way the >weather was overcast and about 74 degrees. I know most of the northern >part of the country is getting cold and the flying stories will be fewer, >If you want I can post some more of my flights if you want. It sure is >better flying than sanding and painting..... > >Lee Van Dyke >Mesa AZ >Lee@vandyke5.com >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:59:37 -0600 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: RE: KR> air/fuel mixture meter, dirt cheap and cool! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mark Does this mean that this installed correctly ony any airplane would indicate proper air/fuel mixture.leaning? Would proper mixture hold true for all engines? Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Mark Langford" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" >CC: KRnet >Subject: KR> air/fuel mixture meter, dirt cheap and cool! >Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:52:01 -0600 > >VairHeads, > >As many of you know, I have an LED air/fuel mixture meter in my >airplane, and I consider it to be an invaluable tool for setting up the >carb initially, as well as leaning during flight, and even >troubleshooting engine problems later on. I was doing a little >reasearch to help a KR builder find >something similar, and stumbled across a daylight readable "analog display" >LCD version that is a mere $20, and ready to install. All you need to >finish it is a $30 "one wire" Bosch O2 sensor and an 18mm sensor "bung" or >boss welded into you exhaust manifold ($14 from www.burnsstainless.com and >other places). I've got to get one of these jewels, because it will fit in >the hole where my useless Tiny Tach now lives (well, it's dead, after only >4 >months), freeing up the 52mm hole where my current A/F meter is now for >something else. See the bottom paragraph at >http://my.tbaytel.net/guskers/gauges.html and follow the two links at the >bottom. I think all of my cars are about to have A/F meters... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to >N56ML "at" hiwaay.net >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:08:34 +0000 From: iennaco@att.net Subject: Re: KR> High Flight To: KRnet Message-ID: <120520050008.22764.43938501000D1ADA000058EC2160383116010C0E02020A07@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain For Bob Stone and Netters: Here is a link for more informatin on John Gillespe McGee www.skygod.com/quotes/highflight.html Dick Iennaco -------------- Original message from "Robert L. Stone" : -------------- > Netters, > I am sure all of you guys have heard the famous poem "HIGH FLIGHT" > written by a world war II fighter pilot by the name of John Gillespie Magee, > Jr. I would like to know some more history about the man who wrote this > magnificent poem. If any of you out there can come up with some more facts > about him, I would appriciate it. I have heard that at sometime during the > war, he was shot down and killed in action but that's all I know about him. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:24:44 -0500 From: "Harold Woods" Subject: KR> aileron hinges. To: Message-ID: <002501c5f932$4b393ad0$6500a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Netters. A friend recently gave me a link to follow. It took me to , http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-aileron.html. It covers the design and Application of the ZODIAC's Hingeless Aileron. By Chris Heintz. I have known Chris for over 40 years. He is one smart Aero Engineer. When I first saw this design on a plane I thought that someone had lost their marbles. But it produced such a smooth top of the wing/aileron junction. Read his analysis of it and the simple testing to prove that it works. Now it is too late for me but why not a fibreglass skin hinge? Do it the same way. Make up a test situation and test like Chris did. OK Netters, there is the challenge. Take it up and run with it. Lets here comments pro and against. Regards Harold Woods Orillia,ON. Canada. haroldwoods@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:46:48 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> High Flight To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: <003e01c5f935$6016d860$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To all you guys who responded to my request for more information on the author of HIGH FLIGHT, Thanks much I have never been able to read the last line in that poem without getting a lump in my throat MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL NETTERS AND ALSO A HAPPY & PROSPERS NEW YEAR ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:07:06 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> aileron hinges. To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051205010706.37165.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Harold Woods wrote: why not a > fibreglass skin hinge? I dunno....seems like fiberglasss would be too brittle, but I may be wrong on this. Scott __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:22:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> aileron hinges. To: Message-ID: <4393964D.000008.01912@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think a better question might be, why? See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- Now it is too late for me but why not a fibreglass skin hinge? ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ameet Savant Subject: Re: KR> aileron hinges. To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051205012506.76472.qmail@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 R/C Glider designs often use Kevlar for this same purpose. Ameet --- Scott William wrote: > > > --- Harold Woods wrote: > > why not a > > fibreglass skin hinge? > > I dunno....seems like fiberglasss would be too > brittle, but I may be wrong on this. > > Scott __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:02:05 -0500 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> learning things To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-220051215425593@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Scott It has been my observation that although they don't want to admit getting the knowledge somewhere else, that alot of the metal and fabric guys glean an awful lot of information from the postings here and other glass builders. There are several places on the plane that it just doesn't makesense to make the part any other way than with glass. Canopy frames, engine cowlings, fairings, and such can be made with compound curves with glas routinely, where with other materials takes an artisan, which most are not. Good luck... Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 498 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================